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Samsung has rolled out a software update to its smart fridges that will display ads, despite saying they had "no plans" to do so. We're headed for a future where you will have to pay extra for appliances without ads.

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And this is why my Samsung TV will never be connected to the Internet
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Don’t. Download. The. Software.
Keep your appliances compliant.
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I'm very confused still what fridges with displays actually do different or better than fridges without
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Earn ongoing passive income for their manufacturers by displaying ads.
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@0 @skippy real answer, if a manufacturer puts a programmable screen on a thing instead of dials they don't figure out how the customer interacts with it now, they have saved that for later.

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They are called HMIs, Human-Machine Interface. For instance, you used to have a dial with 0-9 on it to adjust how cold the fridge is, you would experiment until you were happy with it. With the HMI, you could have a digital dial, but the screen programming turns that into a temperature request.

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@0 @skippy
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Older refrigerators controlled the temperature of the freezer, then the refrigerator space had areas of progressive coldness the closer to the freezer stuff is put. But you have trained the customer to expect precise control. So now you have zones in the fridge and the screen let's you set zone targets and see the actual temperature approach target.

Oh wait, the customer doesn't know a temperature they want their milk at. Update the programming and the screen will tell you.

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@0 @skippy
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Or better yet, the screen will have a mode that manages that for you, then tells you where to put the milk and leafy green veggies for optimal temperature.

"Isn't this interactivity with our product exciting? Sure makes you want to pay $200 more for our TempMaster 2000 with Tempcontrol Zones! But wait! The TempMaster 3000 has a camera! No more messing up your target temps by opening the door to look!

Same HMI can be put in multiple models with different controls and sensors.

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@0 @skippy
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And the marketing team and programmers can keep up the feature creep by progressively playing with the display and how it shows and manages the few things it really does. Hoping for a model year car effect in an otherwise mature market.

Imagine having to place your milk in specific spot so your refrigerator can weight it and email you when it is time to buy more. The screen is where you give it access to your WiFi password and email address.

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@0 @skippy
Imagine the model TM5000 sends its internal video to corporate where the pictures are analyzed by AI to get a list of all the brands you buy vs your region, then they send target ads to your HMI screen and, at the touch of a screen, Safeway can send a virtual coupon to your email that can be scanned from your phone at point of purchase.

Typical corporate hellscape, late stage capitalism stuff where the manufacturer tries to capture its customers and sell data on them to advertisers.

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Good enough is good enough for me. I’ve never once thought “gee, my milk is too warm. If only we could use science to make the milk-storage location just a little cooler, without making the cottage cheese into a block of ice.”
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@skippy @0 in a dumb fridge, which I prefer, if anything in the top directly below the freezer gets ice in it, I just move that manual dial back by one. That is all the controls and feed back I, or anyone else, really needs.

It really is just an electric ice box and cool storage cabinet underneath, or side by side now. A solved problem for 100+ years.

That is why growth capitalists have to trap customers and milk them for sellable products, like cows.

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getting difficult to find brands that don't abuse their users or customers
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My Samsung fridge (came with the house) is of the old "dumb" variety where the buttons are capacitive and press themselves at random several times during the day. Of course it's a Samsung fridge so I should be lucky it even makes the contents cold.

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It will only be a matter of time before the fridge won't even work without connecting to the internet and pinging it occasionally to deal with folks who resist.
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They'll have to pry my French press out of my cold dead hands.
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I need a fridge with a display about as much as a washing machine with wi-fi access...
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I wonder how long it will be until it is as impossible to buy a non-smart refrigerator as it is to buy a non-smart TV.
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Not a surprise, really… We have an LG TV with a nice OLED panel, but I had to cut it off the Internet, because it was pinging home every second and displaying shitload of adds and even installing apps on its own…

Now, I have slashed it on dns and firewall, but that makes menus laggy and/or malfunctioning…
Not really a problem, because we use it just as a display, but still - it is the future we will be getting. Next step, you won’t be able not to see the ads…

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...and people *believed* that? Or maybe I'm just too cynical; I believe in what Robert Heinlein wrote: "Never appeal to a person's better nature. They may not have one."
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I see a future burgeoning business that de-nazifies household appliances.

These features balloon the manufacturing & operating costs of appliances.

Spyware computer chips & display screens aren't free.

They use a ton of electricity, even when you're not at home. Look forward to the double digit rate increases on electricity bills.

The fossil fuel industry is desperately trying new ways to thwart energy efficiency.

openculture.com/2017/11/george…

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Sadly, a Samsung “smart” fridge came with the condo I bought. However, it never got and never will get connected to the net.
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putting ads aside temporarily. does refrigerator need to be connected to internet. that possible data collection sounds scary.

putting internet connection to a fridge is too far.

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in reply to evacide

pretty soon we will need a Harry Tuttle to fix our smart homes: youtube.com/watch?v=dht_3NziwS…
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To be fair people bought a fridge with a freaking internet connected screen built in... "Oh I bought a billboard and now ADS?!"
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I'm glad I moved to a Sony phone after owning many Samsung's now. I got fed up with them plugging AI to death and following Apples lead to remove SD card slots and earphones sockets.
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Solution: Don't buy fridges that suggest they're smarter than you — or as "smart" as Eloon Musk! 🤔🙇😂😂😂😂😂😂
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any information how to block the advertisements? Is it enough with something like pi-hole or do you have to do a lot more?
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“Sure! I’ll
take your advertisement fridge for half price” *Gets home and paints the screen black!
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Hack the Planet. Push porn to all the screens and see just how fast all these manufacturers decide that screens may be a bridge too far.
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How will the advertizers know when only the cat is watching? A complete waste of technology and ad money.
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you're paying with your money, your data, your privacy, your soul. And then you still get ads. This is ridiculous
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lmaaaaao this makes me laugh in this weird way when Im uncomfortable with shit. I cant believe people would buy such a thing, or even leave the "smart" bullshit connected once they see ads on their.... fridge. There are generations of people who will buy this??? A screened fridge? Microwave? Toaster? lmaaaao
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All i want is an appliance that doesn't need a fucking internet connection to work...
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never have I ever thought there should be a screen on a fridge
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Smear glop on those demo monitors when they make their way into your local stores, people...
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we bought a new fridge recently. I refused to even consider Samsung because of this.
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Don't suppose anyone found a way to hack these things to post anime pics instead yet?
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Technically, right now, since this is more expensive than a basic fridge -- we're paying more for a fridge with ads than one without. 🤦 It's very ... cyberpunk corporation future.
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I've been boycotting this brand for years, ever since it released an official update that completely bugged the touch screen controller on the Samsung Galaxy A03.

Samsung no more.

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"Hello, the screen seems to be covered! Refrigeration has been disabled due to operational concerns in the meantime. Please uncover the screen again to re-enable refrigeration."
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There will be a hardcore porn hack on all of these in about 5 minutes of release
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"strengthening the value of owning a fridge" sounds like "courage to remove the headphone jack". The tech world truly is lost at this point.
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we are not very far from unauthorized bread . (The story features technologically advanced apartments with appliances like toasters and refrigerators that are designed to extract revenue and prevent unauthorized use)
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@Saucetweet Yes, I am familiar with Cory's writing. We have worked at the same place for many years.
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you'll pay extra for no ads then they'll show ads anyway. Like Hulu. You can't make this shit up.
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What is the point of a SK. "smart" refrigerator anyway?
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Just want to mention AliExpress sell refrigeration control modules. Very basic, very dumb. Dirt cheap.

I think there's a non-zero chance we could start seeing plug compatible replacement logic boards for popular models.

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Hack it! pentestpartners.com/security-b…
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Imagine actually buying this shit.
"But what if its a go-"
If it has this it could be free and use no electricity and it would still be shit. Things like this make a product shit by default.
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I foolishly connected my fridge to Wi-Fi to see what it could possibly offer, as it had no screen. Lots of metrics, control of ice production, temperature control, nothing necessary. Then I forgot about it. A month later I tapped "turn off all kitchen lights" on home assistant and my fridge interior lights went off as well, and stayed off. Fun times. Factory reset and disconnected.
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There are probably some cool and semi useful things you could do with smart devices connected to the internet.

Trouble is, those cool things don't make extra money for the manufacturer.

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Well, “no plans” doesn't mean anything, really. It certainly doesn't mean “won't, ever”. And even that comes with an implied “until we change our minds”. In this day and age, you simply cannot take anything a publicly traded or venture-funded company says at face value. You have to look where the market is heading and assume that the company will jump on the bandwagon sooner or later, no matter what they are saying now.
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buy more products with screens that display ads telling you to buy more products with screens that display ads telling you to buy more products with screens that display ads telling you to buy more products with screens...

Any ad that is not for a product with a screen that can display ads is hindering our much needed, sweet unlimited growth.

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- and then they will still have ads, because why would they not, when somebody is willing to pay Samsung et al to have them? Also, you will be paying for your appliances through subscription - miss a payment? Your fridge turns off & all your food spoils.
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As Scott Galloway famously observed a few years ago, advertising will basically become a tax on the poor and technologically naive.
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putting a screwdriver through your smartfridges' screen will remain free though
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@Sekei
That will merely stop you from seeing what it's showing. It probably won't affect how it collects data. That's the part you'll need to sever.
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@raineyday do you have to connect those smartfridges to the internet in order for them to cool stuff? That would really suck when moving apartments.
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there will be tiers.
"Free" - with ads
"Basic" - with fewer ads
"Standard" - barely any ads
"Premium" - no ads*

*Will have ads that are called something else

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Honestly if you buy a smart fridge you are kind of asking for this.
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All I want is a refrigerator that keeps my cold food cold and my frozen food frozen. I don't need my refrigerator to be "smart" or for it to connect to the internet. And I certainly don't need my refrigerator to show me advertisements. (Note to self: Never ever buy a Samsung product.)
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@elaterite
And that’s the point, isn’t it. As long as an appliance workd without connecting, why would you? On the other hand, my PV set up is connected to the internet because it’s the only means I have to monitor/manage the system… until I find another tool which does the job without connecting to ‘god knows where’…

The installers argued that it helps them ensure my system is in good health and also that if I report a problem, the can go online to have a look at it… it bothers me though I can’t put my finger on why it does just yet.

#IoT #Enshitification #LossOfControl

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@RaymondPierreL3 Why can't your inverter simply have a flashing light to indicate a problem and a display with a trouble code telling you where and what to look for to solve the problem? Zero need for your system to be connected to a remote server.
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@elaterite
Is there such a hybrid inverter beast on the market? But, then, that’s the other issues isn’t it. Manufacturers design their products to have 1) a short lifespan, 2) ensure ongoing costs, 3) can’t be repaired by anyone but them, if at all, and 4) make sure they keep you chained to their brands, and any other ‘gatekeeping’ tricks they can think of.

Interesting times we live in…
#RightToRepair #ShrinkFlation #Grifting #Corporatism #NeoLiberalism #Manufacturing #monopolies #GateKeeping

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@RaymondPierreL3 @elaterite for home automation that puts local control and privacy first: home-assistant.io/

Also supporting Home Energy Management:
home-assistant.io/home-energy-…

#homeassistant #pv #energy

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We’re already in a future where your appliances will display ads if they can, regardless of how much you paid for them.
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a next revealing example of #enshittification, with especially disgusting proximity to food #iot
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beware your fridge may crash your Windows OS!
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Smart Fridge do exist, that's the issue.
Whoever connected its damn fridge to the net deserves ads.
Whoever sold them deserve ads in their coffin.
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There will be a resurgence of "dumb" and offline technology due to this shit, and I'm not against it.
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“The new kitchen is great! Everything is computer-controlled! With voice recognition!
It does everything by itself! Fully automatic! Directly via the Internet!”

“We're out of milk! Shit!”

“Hello, you ordered milk?”
“My refrigerator! Well, that was quick.”
“Should I put the cow shit in the garden?”

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Also ads on the inside. Similar to Amazon, they are all for things I have already purchased recently.
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"It was just this spur of the moment thing, you know?"

—The Samsung c-suite, probably

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I'm already adding router firewall deny rules to block the printer's internet access. More of this coming I guess.
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Also likely we're headed for a future where I dig a root cellar and stop buying perishables.
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Nobody has yet anaswered to my satisfaction the question "Why the hell would you connect your fridge to the internet? Or want it to have a screen?" Adverts or not, who buys this sh*t?
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After stupidly buying this annoying #Spamsung phone, I'll be moving on from the whole enshittified brand.
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no no, you’ll pay a subscription fee for appliances with *fewer* ads.
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Why aren't people more angry? If you'd told me in the 1980s that this would happen I would have predicted people dumping the fridges outside Samsung's offices and setting fire to them or something. Where the hell is people's outrage?
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what do you lose in functionality if you disconnect the fridge from the internet?
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Are they (Apple, Samsung, etc) trying to piss us off resulting in not buying their products?!!!😤
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the hell you need a screen on your fridge in the first place? don't buy it
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I sense an opportunity here. Can we crowdfund an advert for those fridges? It can be as weird as you like.

Maybe something a bit meta like just a normal voice saying "Alexa, play Rick Astley as loud as you can".

Or the ads could just be embarrassing... "Peter, your Doctor noticed you haven't ordered your Syphilis medication, would you like me to do that for you?"

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omg it’s going to be like the tv’s on the fuel pumps. Once you pick up the nozzle the ads start. Will it be like that? Cuz eff that.
in reply to evacide

I laugh when I hear about all of these connected "smart appliances" that are supposedly everywhere now. I've never actually seen one in real life - nor can I imagine who would buy them.
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Calendar makers should sell their products with magnets so they can fit directly over the ad window. 💡
Low tech can occasionally solve high tech annoyances.
I'll be sticking with dumb fridges.