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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

You're finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
in reply to anachronist

I'm talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Isn't umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?

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in reply to sun_is_ra

Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don't believe in or have any interest defending.
in reply to Display name

So according to your galaxy brain logic slavery war moral when it was legal in US?
in reply to Display name

I said that law has nothing to do with morality, and you claimed that is wildly incorrect. So, I gave you a clear example of a law that's directly at odds with morality. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend there?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

:S laws can be unmoral as well, yes? What do you not comprehend about laws being based on morality?
Most laws, to specify for you so you don't need to take that turn.
in reply to Display name

Again, laws are not a source of morality and whether something is legal or not has no impact on whether it's moral, so your justification of conscription as being legal is nonsensical. Hope that clears things up for you.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

To clear things up for you, you stated that laws had nothing to do with morality, and that is false as previously seen.

But I do agree that laws might not be a source of morality, even if some laws aim to alter how people view certain matters.

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in reply to Display name

It's like you can't understand the concept of thing being tangential. Laws can align with morality or not, but morality is not derived from laws. Nor do laws have to be derived from morality.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

You are being remarkably patient with this individual that is wilfully missing your point.
in reply to sun_is_ra

Sometimes the law is wrong, and following it is wrong

Dying for nothing in a lost war is one of those times

in reply to sun_is_ra

Let's not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it's problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
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in reply to anachronist

do you admit ukrainian shelling of the breakaway republics was mass murder? or do they not count bc they speak the wrong language?
in reply to anachronist

They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there's a NYT article about this subject FYI)
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

That's one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom.
But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.

Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.

Edited to way of living to help the literally ones

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in reply to Display name

If you're not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you're a bad person.
in reply to Display name

bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom


How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn't be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren't Ukrainians defending that part of the country?

in reply to Display name

When you say freedom, what do you mean? Freedom to do what? You're talking about a place that under capitalist restoration became the poorest country in Europe and (as is tradition) uses ethnic violence to divide its working class that might otherwise kill its rulers. I'm thinking a lot of the population might not feel they actually have the freedom to actually do a whole lot. Some of them seem to want the freedom to continue living, or the freedom to not fight in a NATO proxy war, but you don't seem to care about those freedoms. So, again, what are you talking about?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Itt liberals reveal that their is no depth of casual fascist bloodthirst they won't plumb. Pretending to care about Ukranians while they cheer for them getting rounded up and used as meatshields in a lost war.
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in reply to ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]

I think that most is against poor Russians dying in the same way, in the same lost war
in reply to Display name

lol no they aren't; they spent the last year calling Russians orcs and celebrating their deaths; don't give libs the benefit of the doubt; they're warping into modern day Nazis.
in reply to ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]

Bruh when it came out he was an SS veteran, for that first week they tried to make it seem like no big deal; I'm not gonna forget that!
in reply to Display name

Exactly, the only reasonable and humane position is to end the bloodshed with diplomacy immediately
in reply to Display name

their casualty ratio is very low, ranging from 10:1 to 20:1. also they have enough volunteers atm where they don't need to force people to fight.
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in reply to ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]

The western supremacists are willing to sacrifice every Ukranian civilian, to push NATO east.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.

This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.

Sadly, the American stance "we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian" is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.

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in reply to LPS

Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

I think at least a few redditors have died fighting in Ukraine so that's something
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in reply to d-RLY?

Ukraine isn't defending shit. They murdered tens of thousands in the independent republics and continue to this day shell that land that MSM says they are "defending".
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

There's still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what's happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn't had electricity or water for a year now.
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in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن

Yes but Blinken said Russia is committing genocide so la la la la la I cant hear you!!!

Slava ukrainazis!!!!

in reply to Display name

Every now and then people like to conflate the Gaza situation with the Ukrainian one. Both are very unfortunate and sad, but one is waaaay worse.
in reply to WanderingVentra

It was not unlike until 2022 (though still much worse for Palestine), but unlike Palestine, Donbas did got help.

I can 1000% guarantee you that if Iran or Iraq or Egypt invaded Israel in defense of Palestine all the antiwar libs who currently mildly criticize genocide would be frothing their mouths terminal rabies islamophobic and zionist now.

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.

And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians...

I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky's regime now... He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause...

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Every man who gets away stays alive to rebuild later. Every man who gets caught extends the war and dies for nothing.
in reply to Florn [they/them]

It's super hard to get away now..

Zelensky's regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).

And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$... For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we've never seen in a lifetime.

in reply to Bobr

we had to use coyotes when we left mexico for the united states and that experience has left my entire family in desperate need of psychological counseling for the last 5 decades.

my heart breaks for the people who have to do something similar.

in reply to ComradeSharkfucker

it's the american and mexican nickname for people who smuggle people across the border for money.

coyotes usually learn their craft by being part of the drug cartels; so the people who pay the money are also commonly kidnapped by the coyotes for ransom money from the family and they're killed if the family doesn't pay.

children are especially lucrative for them.

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in reply to eldavi

Jesus christ, I should have guessed. I thought you somehow took used coyotes(the animeal) to cross the border and was honestly curious as to how. I hope everything ended up okay for y'all, sorry you had to experience that.
in reply to ComradeSharkfucker

i've been getting the help i need thanks to believing in medical science and psychotherapy.

my older family members and my science denying family members are the ones who need the sympathy because they will never seek the help they need and/or continue to put their faith into their orange jesus or a bottle to make themselves feel better.

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

ITT people that claim they hate trump have the same opinion on one of the biggest political issues for the same reason, they love Russian expansion.

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in reply to spacecadet

Liberals don’t understand words, only tone example 900028261
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in reply to Palacegalleryratio [he/him]

You say, every small country should all just let their bigger neighbours get control over them without a fight, because “tHiS wAr Is aLrEAdy LoST”?

Russia makes military fail after military fail and achieve no land except some useless corn fields. But “tHeY aRe the 2nd stRoNgEst mIliTary”. While they take tanks out of museums because all their toys get humiliated by drone swarms.

🤷🏻 but I guess you with your opinion (like me with mine) do not change the sad stuff that is happening

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in reply to Palacegalleryratio [he/him]

No invasion is never good, not from IS not from russia not from china not from Israel not from germany and not from korea (both sides) as examples

I don’t really pick general sides, but with an invasion, for me, it is clear that the invading party is generally the bad guy

There was nearly no loss nor gains of Landmasses within Ukrine for over a year now, but since Ukrine got their fighter jets, they took some Russia land, apparently.

To try predict the future, I think Ukraine’s Plan to get more and more of Russia land in order to trade all lands back as they were before war, may work, given the NATO (especially US) keeps on giving the weapons and ammunition to Ukraine.

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in reply to Petter1

Ahh yes, history always begins on the day of the invasion. The western allies were wrong to invade France on D-Day as being the invader is always bad. There is never any preceding events that may give light to the motives of the attacker. For good or for bad. Libs ‘consider world events not just on in-the-moment vibes’ challenge: impossible.

There being no losses or gains in Ukraine is because Russia has changed its tactics, they’re now grinding it out until Ukraine collapses totally due to lack of material and manpower, not going for territorial gains. Despite this they’re still making strategically important gains in Ukraine. You know Russia has reclaimed a quarter of that land in Kursk back already don’t you? Also that it is a tiny region of land they claimed in the first place, 300 down from 400 square miles. Your vision of the future where Ukraine takes huge swaths of Russia and trades for occupied Ukrainian lands is never going to happen.

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in reply to spacecadet

Behold the incredible depths of liberal analysis.
in reply to DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]

Understanding so shallow you need Low-angle X-ray Diffraction to quantify it
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Huh that's gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.

Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from "kill ruZZian orcs" to "we never supported that war" or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.

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in reply to PolandIsAStateOfMind

It really isn't that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.

It's not one or the other.

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in reply to TheMightyCanuck

No! Two things are never allowed to be true at the same time!
in reply to TheMightyCanuck

Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don't get less sovereign.

It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.


You can always go volunteer

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?

I do because it was yesterday.

in reply to TheOubliette

that's a symptom of supporting "the next thing" that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣

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in reply to LPS

soon the libs will be explaining to us how the war with Iran is the war we all needed
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Workers, hearken, they are going to war

And they yell: "For nation and race!"

This war is the rulers of the world's

Against the working classes!‎


Hanns Eisler in "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch"

(works for both sides ngl)

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Y'all are fucking clowns for defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die? Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits? Oh, that's right, it doesn't fit the narrative that mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.

It's pretty obvious that you're just fascist. It's going full circle in here.

Fucking clowns 🤣 Clowns living in a clown world is what you are 🤡🤡🤡

in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

Y'all fucking clowns for defending the fascist regime you support dragging people to fight for your entertainment. Go sign up for the foreign legion already instead of trolling here.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Lmao, I am not the one defending a fascist dictator and his regime trying to take over a foreign country, sending their men to a certain death 🤣 get your head out of your ass you clown 🤡🤡🤡

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in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

The fact that you don't know that you are makes you even more of a clown.
in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

Hey man, don't engage with old mate. He's a full blown tankie and posts pro Russian propaganda every day
in reply to Aussiemandeus

Ah yes, those US/UK/European/Ukrainian news media with their Russian propaganda... Damn Russian propaganda, nothing is safe from it :(
in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

Some people dug too deep into the reality tunnel, any common sense has been left far behind.

Obvious reality check: Ukraine has some nazies. Also

a) they're not their top problem. That being, you know, invasion and occupation by an authoritarian dictatorship.

b) point me at the country that hasn't. What, you want China to invade Germany because AfD has 30% in some provinces? Let people sort their shit before you call for a foreign boot ffs.

(Not even touching the fact that the only reason Russia isnt seig heil'ing right this second, is that little Pu is afraid of any popular movements, including fascism. But it'll get there, give it a couple years and/or heart strokes)

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in reply to Maxxie

Dude. We (the US) couped Ukraine in 2014. They've been killing tens of thousands of their own Russian-speaking civilians in the two independent republics. We have created THEIR CIA (SBU) and they perform acts of terrorism on Russia, at least try to, on at LEAST a monthly basis. Denazification means elimination of Banderaist factions in the gov who can essentially tell their president what to do backed by threats of violence.
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in reply to coolusername

The fascist regeme you're imagining simply doesnt exist. There wasnt some "Donetsk ethnic cleansing", this were separatists (armed with Russian weapons and backed up with russian volunteers) trying to kick off federal troops and secede. Which, you know, isn't great. You could possibly go "both sides are bad" the 2014-2021 conflict and have some good points.

In what universe does the 2022 russian invasion translate to anything else as obvious f-ing conquest and how much of a bootlicker do you have to be to support it??

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in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

nice hasbara

mother Russia is superior to everyone else and deserve to take Ukrainian land.


Are you seriously getting your viewpoints about what Russia wants...FROM THE CIA? that's fucking insane. Here's what you should do. Find any translation of any spokesperson of Russia. Two famous ones are Lavrov and Maria something. Both of them are very intelligent and speak clearly.

edit: Also Russia doesn't target civilians. There's a thing that's commonly used by the US and Israel called atrocity propaganda. Look it up.
Russia is taking casualties but it's not that much. It's approximately 1 death to 20-30 Ukranian deaths ATM.

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in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.


I'll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn't convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don't want to fight, and it's Zelensky's regime (with West's support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?


It's also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can't leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.

Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?


Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.


You see, I've tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky's fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)

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in reply to Bobr

It's horrible that Ukrainians and Russians are getting forced in to a war that neither wanted to participate in. I hate wars and I would have preferred to see everyone live in peace. But reality is not like that.

Putin is trying to take your homeland and you're doing nothing to prevent it. You're not even in your own country... I find it pretty rich that condemn Putin and his actions while also being okey with it happening as long as no one has to fight for Ukraine.

Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there? I would defend my homeland til I die if it meant my country would remain a democracy and be free dictators and fascists.

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in reply to DaTingGoBrrr

I am against both sides, both states are braindead agents of Moloch. Dissolve the state meme. The is now Russia there is no Ukraine, these are just deadly brain rot.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Humanity's favourite past time to trying the best to rip each other apart in any ways. On the battle fields of war but also in a comment section.
It is hilarious to watch.