Mike Pence says the Trump administration has ‘departed’ from conservative principles


Trump’s former vice president also called the administration’s “anti-weaponization” fund “deeply offensive.”

Former Vice President Mike Pence said Sunday that President Donald Trump’s second administration has “departed” from traditional conservative principles.

Pence, who served as Trump’s vice president from 2017 to 2021, told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the administration is no longer committed to “the conservative agenda that has defined the Republican Party since the days of Ronald Reagan, and before that an agenda of American leadership, limited government, free market economics, the right to life.”

in reply to MicroWave

This loser enabled all of it and only got cold feet when the mob came for him.

Now we’re supposed to sympathize with his milquetoast denials? Show me a shred of actual resistance to the fascist hell you helped create.

I don’t care if the MAGAs do hang Mike Pence.

in reply to Voroxpete

He's the purest representation of right-wing principles we have seen. That's not the same thing as conservative. A conservative position opposes all change - including change to the right. So I'd say that Pence is right.

If anything, the Democrats are the more conservative party right now, and the MAGA Republicans are trying to move the country further to the right. I still don't think that a conservative position is good, but it's better than a fascist position.

in reply to Mk23simp

This has never been what "conservative" means in practice. You can go right back to the father of Conservativism, Edmund Burke, and you'll find a consistent pattern of being gleefully willing to destroy and tear down anything that gets in the way of their core goal; preventing the enfranchisement of the disenfranchised.
in reply to TomMasz

He’s banking on, and probably mildly correct, that there’s voters who want to go back to that era and like MTG, want to distance themselves from Trump and his methods but not the power/results. He’ll never get anywhere though. They’ve sold their souls 3x to support Trump and will again rather than risk splitting conservatism and creating openings for opposition to win.

Trump brand conservatism appeals to everyone from Boomers yearning for a return to the privilege of mid-century America to Gen Zs who think mid-century America was the Golden Age it’s said to be and that they’ve been denied. Nobody wants a polite, stick-up-his-ass, Victorian sensibility patriarch that has the personality of wet cardboard.

in reply to MicroWave

Ronald Reagan was a actor, not at all a factor

Just an employee of the country's real masters

Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama

Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters

If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic

Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Gaddafi?

We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil

Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby

Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan

And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran

They only love the rich and how they loathe the poor

If I say any more they might be at my door

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in reply to MicroWave

in reply to GreenBottles

I wish this concept would die. The republicans who are in power, are doing exactly what they planned (project2025) by destroying the idea and function of a democratic working government for the people, grifting without consequences all along the way. Since that was the goal and its being achieved, they are HIGHLY SKILLFUL opponents who are currently winning. This makes everyone else spectating, wondering when things are going to be made right, the dumb ones. And its the second term. He is not in prison. HES THE PRESIDENT, again. As it is now, they outsmarted everyone, no matter how much that hurts the feelings of the spectators.
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in reply to tgcoldrockn

cleans out ear with finger

Did you just hear about the surveillance state? It started back in the 1900's and it wasn't until 1978 that is was determined to even need a warrant to do it. This quickly became secret warrants that the public never gets to see.

Even when I was a kid back in the 1980's project Echelon and Magic Lantern were considered conspiracy theories until decades later Snowden proved it was all true.

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in reply to tgcoldrockn

They aren’t smart, not even a little bit, they’re just playing on easy mode. There is nothing clever about what they’re doing, and in fact it’s pretty easy to grasp and is often incredibly public. The reason they keep winning anyway is because the citizens are lazy and ignorant, and most of the US are dumb as rocks even if they’re “educated”. Most people in general aren’t even that bright, it’s insane what they will fall for.
in reply to MicroWave

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in reply to MicroWave

Not really. He's all about oppressing minorities and women, siphoning government money for their friends, and trying to impoverish the government ("Starve the Beast", a specific tactic since Reagan, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_t… ) such that it cannot provide a social safety net. He's just a conservative incapable of hiding behind the mask.
in reply to MicroWave

Ohh Mikey, when did Lumpty Trumpty departed from conservative principles? Was it when Lumpty Trumpty came done on the escalator and immediately started saying racist shit? Was it when Trumpty was caught on video claiming about sexually assaulting women? Or was it when the racist and sexist comments picked up? Was it the breaching of the constitutional rights?