Preventing enshittification of platforms rests on credible exit for users and devs. #ActivityPub and #SMTP are not perfect but
a) are implemented und understood by many players,
b) enable freedom of choice of servers and clients,
c) implement #RightToMigrate as well as self/community custody
Many #p2p projects promise to remove servers but often promote and depend on a single implementation stack, have no spec and no interop among #p2p islands, and thus struggle to provide credible exit.
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Leaf 🌱 🏴☠️ (they/them)
in reply to Delta Chat • • •do you see any possible future where we won't need servers? cause yes, having many decentralized instances running on servers is already so much better, but wouldn't p2p be even more decentralized and therefore provide more freedom?
or perhaps the server which hosts an instance (mastodon for example) can be somehow democratized so that all of it's users have a say in the decisions usually made by the admin or moderator 🤔
Delta Chat
in reply to Leaf 🌱 🏴☠️ (they/them) • • •yes, there are futures where servers play less of a role than they do today. We are thinking/prototyping on that.
But already today, #webxdc realtime apps eg at delta.chat/en/2024-11-20-webxd… are using @n0iroh and thus offer a private #p2p network. Here, the rather reliable #SMTP server network is used to bootstrap lots of little private P2P ones consisting of unstable peers. Without this bootstrapping you need central root servers along with DHTs or other mechanism for discovery.
Delta Chat: Delta Chat introduces realtime Peer-to-Peer networking
delta.chatKevin Karhan
in reply to Delta Chat • • •@leaf @n0iroh the closest "#serverless / #P2P" I've seen is #OnionShare [made by @micahflee]...
Tho I think the true #future will be #decentralized, #federated and similar to eMail...
OnionShare
onionshare.orgKevin Karhan
2025-01-26 20:52:44
Mostafa228
in reply to Delta Chat • • •It's better to suggest the nostr protocol because it is E2EE and designed to be censorship resistant.
🌈 Lascapi ⁂
in reply to Delta Chat • • •I like #p2p technologies but I think prefer the possibility to migrate between server.
Like #hubzilla
Kevin Karhan
in reply to Delta Chat • • •nodds in agreement
Same with #XMPP+#OMEMO:
Because only #decentralized solutions will survive!