I clearly agree, apt is ugly and even synaptic making it better. But like i said, while ago when I used synaptic I did break my packages and I got to use dpkg and apt, to repair.
Since, I guess, I'm on a PTSD about it and now just use apt or dpkg, when using a Debian or Debian based system.
But I will listen to you, and for sure will give it a try
No that was an synaptic issue, dont remember now the specific issue, But it didnt managed well, certainly a bug at the bad moment for me at this time XD
But hey i dont regret, i know how to manage a broken apt DB now XD. I guess.. x)
It would be a good thing if you want to have stuff inaccessible by your users. Reasonable assumptions when you're the IT department with the company workstations. Not so reasonable when you just want to have a working PC for yourself (and probably your family).
The other day, I gave up on my Tumbleweed system when an update for some reason rendered my living room PC unable to connect to internet.
Maybe it was done in a good reason. Maybe it's supposed to give me some protection of some sort. Would I need that protection? Definitely not if it keeps me (and other family members) to watch youtube.
If anyone wants to attack me thru that thing, I'd say go for it. I got nothing but my Netflix & Spotify creds. They can try infecting my media library, which I can just wipe since I got multiple copies of it.
Right now, I got Debian running on all my systems. I get to configure each of them to be as secure as it needs to be without having my operations hindered.
I use apt-get, I don't care about how "pleasing" the package manager is, I just want it to do its job and get off the way.. But pacman.. I don't know why, but it's so beautiful, charming and cute, how do they do it?
I really like emerge/portage, even w/out the "candy" feature enabled. Great color highlighting, and verbose messages about any config change(s) needed.
Portage was great but losing a day whenever there was a glibc upgrade or something that caused a more "exciting" upgrade than usual wasn't worth it. I wanted more stability after a while.
I can't remember ever having a glibc related update problem. eselect news is always there for me. (:
I only have rarely a perl update related problem, but usually solvable with a world update. And since there are now binpkgs I only compile what has differing useflags from the selected profile. Portage has never been better!
Yeah seriously, I was surprised at how plain and illegible rpm-ostree felt in comparison to dnf, I really wish they put a little color or some extra separation just to make it feel less cramped and give people more glanceable info.
It shows the tree of packages to download and to build. It shortens the tree in realtime when packages have finished downloading/building and lengthens the tree when it finds more packages it needs to handle. Very fun and satisfying.
TGhost [She/Her]
in reply to Sips' • • •Pantherina
in reply to TGhost [She/Her] • • •Omg apt is like the worst UI there is.
Have a look at nala! It needs some depencies but is a huge upgrade
TGhost [She/Her]
in reply to Pantherina • • •Ah ah i will one day.
I clearly agree, apt is ugly and even synaptic making it better. But like i said, while ago when I used synaptic I did break my packages and I got to use dpkg and apt, to repair.
Since, I guess, I'm on a PTSD about it and now just use apt or dpkg, when using a Debian or Debian based system.
But I will listen to you, and for sure will give it a try
Pantherina
in reply to TGhost [She/Her] • • •TGhost [She/Her]
in reply to Pantherina • • •Pantherina
in reply to TGhost [She/Her] • • •TGhost [She/Her]
in reply to Pantherina • • •No that was an synaptic issue, dont remember now the specific issue,
But it didnt managed well, certainly a bug at the bad moment for me at this time XD
But hey i dont regret, i know how to manage a broken apt DB now XD. I guess.. x)
pastermil
in reply to Pantherina • • •The worst UI?
Clearly you've never used
zypper dupPantherina
in reply to pastermil • • •pastermil
in reply to Pantherina • • •One of the things that keeps me from staying with OpenSUSE.
That, and its overzealous security policy.
Pantherina
in reply to pastermil • • •pastermil
in reply to Pantherina • • •It would be a good thing if you want to have stuff inaccessible by your users. Reasonable assumptions when you're the IT department with the company workstations. Not so reasonable when you just want to have a working PC for yourself (and probably your family).
The other day, I gave up on my Tumbleweed system when an update for some reason rendered my living room PC unable to connect to internet.
Maybe it was done in a good reason. Maybe it's supposed to give me some protection of some sort. Would I need that protection? Definitely not if it keeps me (and other family members) to watch youtube.
If anyone wants to attack me thru that thing, I'd say go for it. I got nothing but my Netflix & Spotify creds. They can try infecting my media library, which I can just wipe since I got multiple copies of it.
Right now, I got Debian running on all my systems. I get to configure each of them to be as secure as it needs to be without having my operations hindered.
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Unknown parent • • •Lissa
in reply to Sips' • • •Daisy (she/her)
in reply to Lissa • • •Sounds like something you are using to manage your packages to me...
Lissa
in reply to Daisy (she/her) • • •tetris11
in reply to Lissa • • •Lissa
in reply to tetris11 • • •lemmyreader
in reply to Sips' • • •pipx
pipx.pypa.iotetris11
in reply to lemmyreader • • •Ryan
in reply to Sips' • • •atzanteol
in reply to Ryan • • •Portage remains to this day my favorite cli. It's nice to look at and provides all the info I want.
It's the one thing I miss from gentoo...
poinck
in reply to atzanteol • • •atzanteol
in reply to poinck • • •"waves vaguely"
Portage was great but losing a day whenever there was a glibc upgrade or something that caused a more "exciting" upgrade than usual wasn't worth it. I wanted more stability after a while.
desktop_user [they/them]
in reply to atzanteol • • •poinck
in reply to atzanteol • • •I can't remember ever having a glibc related update problem.
eselect newsis always there for me. (:I only have rarely a perl update related problem, but usually solvable with a world update. And since there are now binpkgs I only compile what has differing useflags from the selected profile. Portage has never been better!
Pantherina
in reply to Sips' • • •Dnf is nice, rpm-ostree not so much.
Nala is the best by far.
Cargo is also nice.
kellenoffdagrid❓️
in reply to Pantherina • • •Pantherina
in reply to kellenoffdagrid❓️ • • •frozencow
in reply to Sips' • • •Nix with nix-output-monitor (nom).
github.com/maralorn/nix-output…
It shows the tree of packages to download and to build. It shortens the tree in realtime when packages have finished downloading/building and lengthens the tree when it finds more packages it needs to handle. Very fun and satisfying.
I haven't seen this in other package managers.
GitHub - maralorn/nix-output-monitor: Pipe your nix-build output through the nix-output-monitor a.k.a nom to get additional information while building.
GitHubSips'
in reply to frozencow • • •kylian0087
in reply to Sips' • • •Infernal_pizza
in reply to bzxt • • •deadcatbounce
in reply to Sips' • • •I still love aptitude TUI even though I don't use Debian anymore.
Next is dnf because it's clear with obvious subcommands.