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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

@poVoq@slrpnk.net how many more Ukrainians are going to have to be murdered by the regime for you to be happy?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

You're finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?
in reply to anachronist

I'm talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Isn't umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?

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in reply to sun_is_ra

Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don't believe in or have any interest defending.
in reply to Display name

So according to your galaxy brain logic slavery war moral when it was legal in US?
in reply to Display name

I said that law has nothing to do with morality, and you claimed that is wildly incorrect. So, I gave you a clear example of a law that's directly at odds with morality. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend there?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

:S laws can be unmoral as well, yes? What do you not comprehend about laws being based on morality?
Most laws, to specify for you so you don't need to take that turn.
in reply to Display name

Again, laws are not a source of morality and whether something is legal or not has no impact on whether it's moral, so your justification of conscription as being legal is nonsensical. Hope that clears things up for you.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

To clear things up for you, you stated that laws had nothing to do with morality, and that is false as previously seen.

But I do agree that laws might not be a source of morality, even if some laws aim to alter how people view certain matters.

in reply to Display name

It's like you can't understand the concept of thing being tangential. Laws can align with morality or not, but morality is not derived from laws. Nor do laws have to be derived from morality.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

You are being remarkably patient with this individual that is wilfully missing your point.
in reply to sun_is_ra

Sometimes the law is wrong, and following it is wrong

Dying for nothing in a lost war is one of those times

in reply to sun_is_ra

Let's not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it's problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.
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in reply to anachronist

do you admit ukrainian shelling of the breakaway republics was mass murder? or do they not count bc they speak the wrong language?
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

That's one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom.
But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.

Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.

Edited to way of living to help the literally ones

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in reply to Display name

If you're not ready to protect life and freedom by getting blown up within a week of arriving at the front in an unwinnable war you're a bad person.
in reply to Display name

bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, lives and freedom


How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn't be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren't Ukrainians defending that part of the country?

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Itt liberals reveal that their is no depth of casual fascist bloodthirst they won't plumb. Pretending to care about Ukranians while they cheer for them getting rounded up and used as meatshields in a lost war.
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in reply to ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]

I think that most is against poor Russians dying in the same way, in the same lost war
in reply to Display name

lol no they aren't; they spent the last year calling Russians orcs and celebrating their deaths; don't give libs the benefit of the doubt; they're warping into modern day Nazis.
in reply to Display name

Exactly, the only reasonable and humane position is to end the bloodshed with diplomacy immediately
in reply to ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]

The western supremacists are willing to sacrifice every Ukranian civilian, to push NATO east.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.

This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.

Sadly, the American stance "we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian" is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.

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in reply to LPS

Seriously, wish all these people would just sign up for the foreign legion and put their money where their mouth is.
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

There's still a nightlife in Kyiv? The war there is worlds apart from what's happening in Gaza. Gaza hasn't had electricity or water for a year now.
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in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن

Yes but Blinken said Russia is committing genocide so la la la la la I cant hear you!!!

Slava ukrainazis!!!!

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.

And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians...

I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky's regime now... He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause...

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Every man who gets away stays alive to rebuild later. Every man who gets caught extends the war and dies for nothing.
in reply to Florn [they/them]

It's super hard to get away now..

Zelensky's regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).

And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$... For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we've never seen in a lifetime.

in reply to Bobr

we had to use coyotes when we left mexico for the united states and that experience has left my entire family in desperate need of psychological counseling for the last 5 decades.

my heart breaks for the people who have to do something similar.

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

ITT people that claim they hate trump have the same opinion on one of the biggest political issues for the same reason, they love Russian expansion.

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in reply to spacecadet

Liberals don’t understand words, only tone example 900028261
in reply to spacecadet

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in reply to spacecadet

Behold the incredible depths of liberal analysis.
in reply to DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]

Understanding so shallow you need Low-angle X-ray Diffraction to quantify it
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Huh that's gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.

Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from "kill ruZZian orcs" to "we never supported that war" or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.

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in reply to PolandIsAStateOfMind

It really isn't that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.

It's not one or the other.

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in reply to TheMightyCanuck

No! Two things are never allowed to be true at the same time!
in reply to TheMightyCanuck

Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don't get less sovereign.

It really isn’t that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.


You can always go volunteer

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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?

I do because it was yesterday.

in reply to TheOubliette

that's a symptom of supporting "the next thing" that the propaganda machine tells you 🤣

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in reply to LPS

soon the libs will be explaining to us how the war with Iran is the war we all needed
in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Workers, hearken, they are going to war

And they yell: "For nation and race!"

This war is the rulers of the world's

Against the working classes!‎


Hanns Eisler in "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch"

(works for both sides ngl)

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