Ukrainian men dragged away outside Kyiv nightclubs and restaurants by army recruiters
Ukrainian men dragged away outside Kyiv nightclubs and restaurants by army recruiters
Chaos descended outside some nightlife spots as military recruitment officers checked documentsAlex Croft (The Independent)
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Most laws, to specify for you so you don't need to take that turn.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •To clear things up for you, you stated that laws had nothing to do with morality, and that is false as previously seen.
But I do agree that laws might not be a source of morality, even if some laws aim to alter how people view certain matters.
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in reply to sun_is_ra • • •Sometimes the law is wrong, and following it is wrong
Dying for nothing in a lost war is one of those times
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •That's one take. Recently a bigger focus has been on how these men are avoiding their duties as citizens to protect their country, way of living and freedom.
But draft dodging is fine from a pacifist point of view.
Better that than being lured into a war as the Russians do.
Edited to way of living to help the literally ones
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Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
in reply to Display name • • •How would they be protecting their lives by going into a war zone? And if their freedom was important they wouldn't be getting pressed into service; as for protecting their country, no one cared that they were shirking that responsibility when they allowed Azov militia members to kill ethnic Russians (who identified as Ukrainian until they were being ethnically cleansed) without defending that part of their country. Why weren't Ukrainians defending that part of the country?
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • •For any western liberal that is cheering on this bloodshed on behalf of Western capitalist powers, I invite you to jump on a plane and pick up a rifle.
This conflict has only two outcomes. A peace deal through negotiations as with any war in history, or WWIII.
Sadly, the American stance "we will fight Russia down to the last Ukrainian" is the reality. Once the smoke clears, if there was a victory, it will be the property of Western interests like Black Rock.
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in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •Yes but Blinken said Russia is committing genocide so la la la la la I cant hear you!!!
Slava ukrainazis!!!!
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.
And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians...
I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky's regime now... He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause...
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in reply to Florn [they/them] • • •It's super hard to get away now..
Zelensky's regime may have troubles with keeping the eastern border safe, but the western one is defended like no other (that is, from people trying to escape of course).
And the bribes to get out legally are more than 10k$... For lots of us (especially for people living in villages) this is an amount of money we've never seen in a lifetime.
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in reply to Bobr • • •we had to use coyotes when we left mexico for the united states and that experience has left my entire family in desperate need of psychological counseling for the last 5 decades.
my heart breaks for the people who have to do something similar.
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in reply to spacecadet • • •Ok, but like realistically what do you think the outcome in this war is? Do you think there is a realistic path forwards in which Ukraine beats Russia?
If your answer to that is yes, then I don’t know what to say to you. Ukraine is getting overrun by material and people from its much larger opponent. The only way to tip that balance is the rest of nato going hot(er) and joining the war and then we have ww3 - which I hardly need to point out the devastating consequences of for the whole world.
If your answer to that is no, then what does conscription of men and the continuation of the war achieve? Other than greater suffering, death and destruction. How can that be good? I don’t want Russia to win per-say, this is a brutal war between two reactionary powers. But I do wish for all the civilians in the affected area that the war stops, so their children will stop being killed in the collateral and they can stop sacrificing their sons and fathers to the meat grinder. It is clear that Ukraine isn’t winning so the path to peace is Russia wins.
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... show moreOk, but like realistically what do you think the outcome in this war is? Do you think there is a realistic path forwards in which Ukraine beats Russia?
If your answer to that is yes, then I don’t know what to say to you. Ukraine is getting overrun by material and people from its much larger opponent. The only way to tip that balance is the rest of nato going hot(er) and joining the war and then we have ww3 - which I hardly need to point out the devastating consequences of for the whole world.
If your answer to that is no, then what does conscription of men and the continuation of the war achieve? Other than greater suffering, death and destruction. How can that be good? I don’t want Russia to win per-say, this is a brutal war between two reactionary powers. But I do wish for all the civilians in the affected area that the war stops, so their children will stop being killed in the collateral and they can stop sacrificing their sons and fathers to the meat grinder. It is clear that Ukraine isn’t winning so the path to peace is Russia wins.
Russia winning is the most good realistic outcome.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Huh that's gotta be the highest upvoted article critical of Ukraine regime i seen here.
Either libs are already in the inevitable process of transforming from "kill ruZZian orcs" to "we never supported that war" or we are just out of peak hours for lib brigades.
TheMightyCanuck
in reply to PolandIsAStateOfMind • • •It really isn't that far of a reach to support ukraines fight for sovereignty but also detest forced conscription.
It's not one or the other.
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in reply to TheMightyCanuck • • •Ukraine lost its sovereignity in 2014. Nuland was even handpicking their govt, you don't get less sovereign.
You can always go volunteer
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Remember when the libs here were saying only Russia does this and acting like it was beyond the pale?
I do because it was yesterday.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Hanns Eisler in "Der Heimliche Aufmarsch"
(works for both sides ngl)