I'm Not a Programmer, but Here’s Why Linux Is My Daily Driver

Linux is for you, Linux is for me, Linux is for everybody.

^{Dibakar Ghosh (How-To Geek)}

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governorkeagan

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I’m not sure if this is part of the “frequency illusion”, but I’ve noticed a lot more mainstream media talking about Linux as a viable alternative.

cognitive bias

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glorious_puffy

in reply to governorkeagan • 6 months ago • •

Probably because you associate more with lemmy, I think most lemmy users use linux

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governorkeagan

in reply to glorious_puffy • 6 months ago • •

I think Lemmy plays a part in it but also all the stuff with MS recently (and people getting tired of it).

I think most Lemmy users use Linux

I was thinking about this earlier today. I’d love to do a Lemmy wide survey to see how true this is or to what extent.

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narc0tic_bird

in reply to glorious_puffy • 6 months ago • •

I highly doubt most do, just that the percentage of Linux users may be higher than on many other platforms.

The most used platform for Lemmy is likely still Windows or a mobile OS.

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Dariusmiles2123

in reply to narc0tic_bird • 6 months ago • •

Yeah clearly Lemmy might have a lot of Linux users because Lemmy in itself is really niche. Way more than Linux.

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glorious_puffy

in reply to governorkeagan • 6 months ago • •

And recent fumbling of msft with recall

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Nibodhika

in reply to governorkeagan • 6 months ago • •

It's not, I've been using Linux for 20 years and it's been gradually getting more and more exposure on the main media. I think there was a huge push with Steam Machines and then another one with Proton, then every Windows screw up bumps it a little more. We're probably going to get another bump in popularity in a short while when Windows 11 enables the new feature that will take screenshots of everything you do (credit cards, passwords, etc) and use an AI to search through them.

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governorkeagan

in reply to Nibodhika • 6 months ago • •

I’ve definitely seen more video content of people trying Linux or moving over completely after that announcement from MS.

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Sunoc

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

Always love to see article of non programmer people using Linux or Emacs!

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Fonzie!

in reply to Sunoc • 6 months ago • •

Meanwhile I'm here still stuck in vim

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FQQD

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

God I hate what the modern Internet does to my brain. I had to double check if that laptop is AI generated

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tombruzzo

in reply to FQQD • 6 months ago • •

It's such an old laptop to feature in an article. I even opened the image URL to see if it's one How to Geek just had on file they used. The photo was uploaded last year

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Evil_Shrubbery

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

Wait ... is there a perception (or reality?) that most Linux users are programmers?

I'm an introvert, but all programmers I know use Windows (and badly in the sense they aren't power users).

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Nibodhika

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

That's a logical fallacy, all dogs are animals does not imply that all animals are dogs. Even if all programmers you know use Windows that could still mean that all Linux users are programmers.

That being said several relatives use Linux because I refused to help with IT unless they had Linux, and since then they mostly hadn't needed IT support. So it's not true that all Linux users are programmers, but a good percentage of us are.

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Evil_Shrubbery

in reply to Nibodhika • 6 months ago • •

I was not explaining my logic nor my beliefs, just describing my smol sample (introvert!), as a btw fun fact.

But I was under the impression that there is no distinguishable difference between which OSs use programmes vs non-programmers (and the other way around).
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Perhaps bcs I fail to se any specific connection between the two. But yes, my logic would be that both types use and are used by both to roughly the same extent.

(Haha, exactly same experience with relatives - forced them on Linux, never had anything non-trivial to fix since then.)

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marlowe221

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

I’m a programmer! I use Linux and Windows. In fact, I’m now in my second job in a Microsoft shop (and no, neither were/are .NET…). And I’ve had exactly zero jobs where I was issued or allowed to use a Linux machine.

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Evil_Shrubbery

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allowed

Yeah, wtf, what did Linux ever do to ~~the great furry community~~ sys admins?

Our group is still fully on Windows all the things (except like two virtual servers), desktops all run W10.

I will again plead in this years strategy to not upgrade to W11, if for nothing else 'moral reasons'.
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I'll be the only one tho.

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Dariusmiles2123

in reply to Nibodhika • 6 months ago • •

I would want to « force » my relatives to use Linux. My wife had an unsupported MacBook Pro from 2012, so I managed to convince her it would be safer to switch. Since then, she hasn’t used macOS, but she also hasn’t used Linux because she can use her work provided windows laptop 😅

I also proposed to my mom to provide IT support remotely to her via Linux, but she prefers using windows and relying on an old friend who is forcing her to buy a lot of Microsoft products otherwise he refuses to help her.

I hope I’ll at least be able to teach my kids that Linux ain’t scary 🙏

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lemmyvore

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

There's some hardcore conflation going on that assumes that people with technical skills will tend to be good at everything, or that they'll gravitate towards the uber-geeky stuff.

In my experience it's a very wide spectrum. Lots of programmers are strictly focused on the language they use and don't care to know anything about the OS, or networking, even computers. They are definitely not jacks of all trades.

There are people who can do programming as well as system administration and build a PC and build some book shelves and so on. But that's a very specific type of person who's a tinkerer and happens to be into programming, it's not because they're a programmer.

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Evil_Shrubbery

in reply to lemmyvore • 6 months ago • •

Yes, a power tinkerer!

And if something needs to be programmed (or just coded, bcs copypasta), then that's what's gonna happen.

If IT won't accommodate my ticket in the way I want Im just gonna write another ticket for access rights.

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Grangle1

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

In addition to the perception that you have to be "good at computers" (aka a programmer) to use Linux, in my experience a lot of Linux media outlets (websites, YT channels, podcasts, etc) tend to be heavy on advanced features and tools without much explanation in layman's terms and tend to be geared towards an IT professional/hobbyist audience, which can reinforce that stereotype among those (like me) who are not.

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Evil_Shrubbery

in reply to Grangle1 • 6 months ago • •

Yeah, this explanation makes the most sense to me.

Just a generalisation that "good at computers" is a programmer. So no Apple programmers :P (joking ofc)

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zod000

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

Most of the programmers I know (including myself) use Linux or BSD, but that all depends on who you associate with. A lot of companies are purely Windows shops and others just throw their programmers mac books and call it a day. At my last company I was only briefly allowed to use Linux until they decided it was no good as I couldn't use whatever resource intensive corporate garbage security software of the year they bought.

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ikidd

in reply to Evil_Shrubbery • 6 months ago • •

Linux use among devs is much higher than gen pop.

survey.stackoverflow.co/2023/#…

Keep in mind, this adds up to more than 100% because it wasn't an exclusive choice question, it was multiple.

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to ikidd • 6 months ago • •

note if you sum up the linux distros here (excluding ChromeOS) you get 58,4% for personal use and 54,54% for professional use (of course keep in mind that there's some godless bastards who dual boot 2 linux distros that could skew these statistics).

Also note how that implies Linux is the most popular OS for professional use.

Anyways, I wish these stats wouldn't split Linux into distros, at least not by default. Linux distros are mostly the same and you're still using (GNU*/)Linux splitting it makes it seem less popular tan it actually is.

*unless you're using something like Alpine ig

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ikidd

in reply to EuroNutellaMan • 6 months ago • •

Except it wasn't an exclusive choice question, it was multi-selection. So you could choose more than one OS (or distro). So this really doesn't give much of an idea what the main OS is that people use. But it's still going to be way higher than general users.

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to ikidd • 6 months ago • •

duh, still a useful statistic IMO

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BeardedGingerWonder

in reply to EuroNutellaMan • 6 months ago • •

Curious how they define professional use, like my work desktop is windows, but all the servers are rhel

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darkphotonstudio

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I'm not a programmer and I've been dual booting for 25 years.

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tombruzzo

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I feel like Linux would be easier to pick up and use for a non power user starting from scratch like my mother-in-law. It's so much easier to download programs with the package manager and settings are so much easier to navigate

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Fonzie!

in reply to tombruzzo • 6 months ago • •

And to use the computer without being bombarded by ads

Helped my SO fix Sims 4 on her W11 laptop recently; lock screen ads, start menu ads, pre-installed bloatware begging for money

I even asked how she deals with all of that and she basically said “I dunno it just does that, if you can make it stop that'd be nice ig but just get Sims to worl for now”

Needless to say I got Sims 4 to work (removing cachedir did the trick) AND uninstalled the bloatware and turned off ad-related settings

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ikidd

in reply to Fonzie! • 6 months ago • •

It'll come back.

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Default_Defect

in reply to ikidd • 6 months ago • •

They've never come back for me.

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to Fonzie! • 6 months ago • •

I'd honestly have proposed (if they don't need programs that only run on windows) "we could put linux on it and that should fix these issues" and put Linux Mint or Fedora on it (better if you choose not them unless they really want to deal with all the choices, most likely they won't wnt to tho) and just tell them the basics of how to install software and stuff.

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Fonzie!

in reply to EuroNutellaMan • 6 months ago • •

I have jokingly mentioned I'd fix it by just installing Linux

I wonder when that stops being a joke

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to Fonzie! • 6 months ago • •

I'd say now's the time, by now I mean as soon as it's appropriate.

I was once asked if I could crack a password of a windows PC in an office cause the guy who used to work there no longer remembers it and they wanted to reuse the old PC. I asked if they need to recover any data, if they used any software that would be incompatible with Linux (not like this but directly mentioning software and asked for a list of stuff they use) and then told them it would simply be easier to install Linux on the thing, not only it's easier but since it's an old machine running windows 7 it's also more secure and the computer will perform well.

During the installation we found out that the computer is glorified junk, took ages to even attempt to format the disk to ext4. Still got to install Linux Mint on another one of their computers tho, big success.

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gerdesj

in reply to tombruzzo • 6 months ago • •

I find it amazing that so many distros with volunteers manage to curate a vast software ecosystem, reasonably successfully and yet some of the largest companies on the planet, worth more than $1T each cannot manage to find the resources to do it efficiently.

Imagine firing up a cmd or ps prompt in Windows and tying in: msiexec install adobe-hipster-app and it just works.

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k4j8

in reply to gerdesj • 6 months ago • •

Have you tried Chocolatey? chocolatey.org/. It's a package manager for Windows and works great, much like brew for Mac. Or, if you prefer portable installation of programs without requiring admin, try Scoop (scoop.sh/). Of course, I'd rather use paru or yay on Arch, but I'm glad these options exist.

I find it hilarious that Microsoft even suggests these tools on their own GitHub page for the Windows Terminal.

Chocolatey - The package manager for Windows

Chocolatey is software management automation for Windows that wraps installers, executables, zips, and scripts into compiled packages. Chocolatey integrates w/SCCM, Puppet, Chef, etc.

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eshep

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago •

Beautifully written perspective; the KDE Activities bit of that was my favorite! Multiple workspaces on a single monitor is probably one of my most advocated features. I'm telling someone about it at least once a week, even if it's just showin em how to use the cut-down one on their windows machine.

Linux reshared this.

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markstos

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

My wife has used Linux for over a decade. She primarily uses a web browser, office suite and a money management app.

Those have all been well-covered by Linux for years.

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HubertManne

in reply to markstos • 6 months ago • •

what does she use for money management?

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markstos

in reply to HubertManne • 6 months ago • •

Moneydance. That was a choice made years ago. It works fine, but we haven't reviewed the options in years. On the plus side, Moneydance is cross-platform, syncs to a remote server, has mobile apps and is reasonably priced.

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HubertManne

in reply to markstos • 6 months ago • •

thanks. I have never used one but have been contemplating doing so.

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steeznson

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Stephen Fry the comedian/tv presenter is also a huge linux advocate. Specifically Ubuntu. He's been using it for decades at this point.

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gramgan

in reply to steeznson • 6 months ago • •

As if I needed more reasons to love Stephen Fry!

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RabbitMix

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I can't program, but I only use Linux on both my laptop and desktop. All I really do on my computers is browse the web, light photo/video editing, print the occasional document, organize my photos, and play A LOT of video games. I was dual booting windows for a bit there for the games that won't work on Linux, but I soon discovered that those games weren't really worth dealing with the annoyances I had with windows for how often I actually wanted to play them... except CoD, but I have an Xbox so I just play that there. Deleting my windows partition was a great choice.

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vulgarcynic

in reply to RabbitMix • 6 months ago • •

I am so, so close to doing the same. Still have a small partition carved out for CoD and Windows. I just find myself booting in to it less and less.

Thank goodness MicroVision seems to be keen on continuing to flog that dead horse with a Warzone focus, means I can finally be free.

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RabbitMix

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yeah, if it weren't for my fiancée playing idk if I'd still be playing CoD at all.

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to RabbitMix • 6 months ago • •

get them addicted to BattleBits Remastered, runs smoothly on Linux and is fun as shit.

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sfxrlz

in reply to RabbitMix • 6 months ago • •

Only thing keeping my windows partition alive is the pain it seems to be to set up sim racing gear and games and servers on Linux.

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RabbitMix

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I'd be in the same situation if I wasn't too broke for any of that

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ColdWater

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I don't even know how to write "hello world" in python but I use vanilla Arch XD

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Epzillon

in reply to ColdWater • 6 months ago • •

This goes hard

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Random Dent

in reply to ColdWater • 6 months ago • •

Same here, I work in the arts and can't code a thing, but I use Arch (btw) as my daily driver.

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gerdesj

in reply to ColdWater • 6 months ago • •

If I recall correctly Arch has ... ssh into wifey's laptop ... python installed out of the box.

Run up a console and type python, and hit enter. Type in print ("Hello World") and hit enter. There you go!

If you lack a python: $ yay -S python.

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Custodian1623

in reply to gerdesj • 6 months ago • •

Vanilla arch would be pacman -S python 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸

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KrankyKong

in reply to Custodian1623 • 6 months ago • •

You can get yay on arch too

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Petter1

in reply to KrankyKong • 6 months ago • •

And I recommend that very much!

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zeroAhead

in reply to ColdWater • 6 months ago • •

It was my first Linux distro after using Microsoft stuff for ages and let me tell you: it was a big mistake. It was absolutely confusing, had to use terminal for so many things with even msdos commands that I forgot that existed, broke it 3 times by just trying to automount the other drivers and a host of other things.

End up switching to Linux mint and the transition went much smoother after that. I'm going back to it eventually though. I actually like it a lot.

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Petter1

in reply to zeroAhead • 6 months ago • •

EndeavourIS is the Arch for people like you 😉 (and me)

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spittingimage

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I'm also not a programmer but here's why Linux is my daily driver:

I like it.

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crusty

in reply to spittingimage • 6 months ago • •

Gnome is so much more cozy than windows

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floofloof

in reply to crusty • 6 months ago • •

KDE Plasma is so much more snappy and functional than Windows. Linux has lots of good options.

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swag_money

in reply to floofloof • 6 months ago • •

cinnamon is so uhh default in Linux Mint and i like it

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mrvictory1

in reply to swag_money • 6 months ago • •

I love the diversity in this thread

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growingentropy

in reply to spittingimage • 6 months ago • •

I have no formal tech background, but I'm pretty damn good with it. And I like Arch and Debian with XFCE.

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Entropywins

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How do you do that in python...

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tuhriel

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print("Hello World")

Save the file as script.py

And then execute it with

python3 script.py

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EuroNutellaMan

in reply to tuhriel • 6 months ago • •

Impressive, you look like a very skilled programmer, management has told me you are now tasked with building a hyper-realistic virtual simulation of a Large Hadron Collider including detailed simulations of the lives of the actual workers and their families, you have a week or you're fired by the firing squad, no you're not allowed to ask why we need it or who we are or why we chose you and it is especially forbidden to ask for more time (and no you can't ask why that is either). See you in a week, have a nice day :).

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mFat

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I'm a video producer and writer, I only use linux.

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octopus_ink

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

2007 was YOTLD for me. Yours, dear Windows-using reader, is 2024, if you want it to be.

static.fsf.org/nosvn/FSF30-vid…

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Krzd

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I personally use windows (I play a lot of different games with friends, and setting all of them up in Linux is a lot of work) and I hate it.

However my mum only uses her laptop for browsing and zoom calls, so I installed Linux mint on that and it's been going great, there are soooo much less issues than with modern windows.

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GameMuse

in reply to Krzd • 6 months ago • •

Really? I have migrated to Fedora Linux and have had 0 issues playing games. Literally just installed steam then heroic launcher for my games on GOG and Epic. I did have a little issue get ea games to load but that was as my as blocker blocked ea games from fetching the librsry. Which in fair EA faorness EA sucks and should be vlocked.

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Krzd

in reply to GameMuse • 6 months ago • •

Had some issues with EAC and getting games to run OOTB which was an issue with spontaneously playing weird and obscure games. If I or we would plan our sessions properly it wouldn't have been a problem though

Fully agree on the EA thing, as well as ubishit constantly being buggy and a pain to work with though.

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asudox

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

Why is it that people think Linux distros are for programmers or tech people only? This is the reason why we don't get many people on Linux distros.

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Petter1

in reply to asudox • 6 months ago • •

Because they live with old news and don’t update tech news knowledge as often as tech savy people do.

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Petter1

in reply to petsoi • 6 months ago • •

I started using Linux prior starting programming..

But knowing some programming languages will not help much maintaining a linux distribution, tho

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Doods

in reply to Petter1 • 6 months ago • •

The problem solving though?

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Petter1

in reply to Doods • 6 months ago • •

Hmm, maybe, but I would say understanding normal behaviour of bash commands and what drivers are does not directly involve knowing about coding.

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JasonDJ

in reply to tuhriel • 6 months ago • •

This is bad practice.

More accurately it should look something like this:

# Load sys library for exiting with status code
import sys

def sayHelloWorld(outPhrase: str="Hello World"):
    # Main function, print a phrase and return NoneType
    print(outPhrase)
    return None

if __name__=="__main__":
    # Provide output and exit cleanly when run from shell
    sayHelloWorld()
    sys.exit(0)
else:
    # Exit with rc!=0 when not run from shell
    sys.exit(1)

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