Framework says it's selling more Linux laptops than Windows as new Laptop 13 Pro sells out first 7 batches
Framework says it's selling more Linux laptops than Windows as new Laptop 13 Pro sells out first 7 batches
Framework will charge you extra if you choose to configure the laptop with Windows, while Ubuntu comes free, thanks to being open-source.Jack Goodall (PC Guide)
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giacomo
in reply to inari • • •Quibblekrust
in reply to giacomo • • •fuckwit_mcbumcrumble
in reply to giacomo • • •The chassis is the only real difference. The boards are all compatible. ~~The core 300 series Intel board might be exclusive to it for now, but they said it's compatible with the old chassis so it's just that they just don't offer the board separately yet.~~ No wait they have a listing for it so I'm just blind. frame.work/products/laptop13pr…
Did they ever post sales figures for no OS vs Windows? You can't assume no OS = Linux, but considering the target demographic I bet 80% of them planned on using Linux on it.
Framework Laptop 13 Pro Mainboard (Intel® Core™ Ultra Series 3)
Frameworkmegopie
in reply to giacomo • • •scytale
in reply to inari • • •A lot of people who are aware of Framework are linux users, and the average non-techie user probably doesn't even know they exist.
Also:
If you market your product to linux users, surely you will attract a lot of linux users.
Framework Laptop 13 Pro: Intel Core Ultra 3 & LPCAMM2
FrameworkHanrahan
in reply to scytale • • •i had a whinge in the comment section of a recent ArsTechnica article where they reviewed a bunch of Laptops and not one from Framework or Tuxedo haha
I have my eye on a Framework Pro 13 but really don't need it, i mostly desktop. I don't Laptop much and just use an old MS Surgace Pro7+ with LMDE installed.
LincolnsDogFido
in reply to scytale • • •CodenameDarlen
in reply to inari • • •galaxy_nova
in reply to CodenameDarlen • • •fuckwit_mcbumcrumble
in reply to galaxy_nova • • •Not anymore. Ubuntu replaced the no OS option.
Also curiously the only Windows option is Pro. Before you had Home or Pro.
INeedANewUserName
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texture
in reply to fuckwit_mcbumcrumble • • •ghost_laptop
in reply to texture • • •FauxLiving
in reply to fuckwit_mcbumcrumble • • •It's only Windows and None, they've replaced the pre-installed Ubuntu with an installation guide.
From FAQ:
IronKrill
in reply to FauxLiving • • •Not quite, no. Their DIY edition displays the options as you show, but if you select prebuilt then the options include Ubuntu.
I assume with DIY they offer Windows only as a quick way to acquire a license, it may not even be installed. Not sure if anyone can confirm if they just throw in a Windows USB.
phonics
in reply to CodenameDarlen • • •halcyoncmdr
in reply to phonics • • •Yeah, they're not the cheapest but that's because of their goals.
Designing with reparability and upgradeability in mind means more bespoke parts which cost more versus existing component assemblies in the market. That means more costly tooling and development, with smaller production runs than say a company like HP or Dell (which also costs more).
They actually sell the components and parts at reasonable pricing, and more importantly... designed with end user repairs in mind. So instead of everything being soldered to the main oard, different components are on separate subboards that can be replaced or upgraded separately. And include easy repair guides, a screwdriver in the box, and even extra screws pre installed in the chassis when you inevitably lose one.
Where possible, newer hardware they release can still be used on older models. Sometimes working 100%, sometimes with some limited capability depending on older system limitations. For instance, they just updated the 16" model and added an RTX 5070 GPU option, which you can purchase separately and pop into
... Show more...Yeah, they're not the cheapest but that's because of their goals.
Designing with reparability and upgradeability in mind means more bespoke parts which cost more versus existing component assemblies in the market. That means more costly tooling and development, with smaller production runs than say a company like HP or Dell (which also costs more).
They actually sell the components and parts at reasonable pricing, and more importantly... designed with end user repairs in mind. So instead of everything being soldered to the main oard, different components are on separate subboards that can be replaced or upgraded separately. And include easy repair guides, a screwdriver in the box, and even extra screws pre installed in the chassis when you inevitably lose one.
Where possible, newer hardware they release can still be used on older models. Sometimes working 100%, sometimes with some limited capability depending on older system limitations. For instance, they just updated the 16" model and added an RTX 5070 GPU option, which you can purchase separately and pop into your old Framework 16 without needing to get a whole new system. Likewise, the same with the new mainboard/CPU in your old chassis. Or the new Laptop 13 2.8K Touchscreen which can be installed in every previous Laptop 13 model other than the Chromebook.
Very few laptop manufacturers get close to that kind of repairability and upgradeability, and that does come with a cost.
Pope-King Joe
in reply to inari • • •ygurin
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in reply to ygurin • • •commander
in reply to inari • • •Liz
in reply to commander • • •Einar
in reply to Liz • • •I installed Cinnamon the other day, because I remembered it to be easy to use. It is.
But. It looks dated to me. Could really use a facelift. Maybe it's just me, but in light of modern user interfaces Cinnamon is functional, but not a looker anymore. Zorin OS and Gnome in general, for example, show how it can be done.
Maybe just me...
TheMadCodger
in reply to Einar • • •Bilb!
in reply to TheMadCodger • • •Jumuta
in reply to TheMadCodger • • •JustEnoughDucks
in reply to Liz • • •Eh, don't know about that. Probably a very large portion of people would need word/PowerPoint/etc... For company document compatibility.
For sure a lot of people though could easily get by with LibreOffice.
ilinamorato
in reply to JustEnoughDucks • • •RamRabbit
in reply to JustEnoughDucks • • •Captain Aggravated
in reply to commander • • •The grapuh of Linux suitability as a function of user skill is a U. At the bottom of user skill, you've got your aunt who needs a Chrome bootloader. Linux is perfect for them, maybe better than Windows.
As you get into the middle, you get into "I just need to use Photoshop" or "I just want to play Valorant". It's gotten to where software that doesn't run on Linux is a deliberate choice, but they're still out there. Gaming has been easing up in large part due to Valve, so the middle of the U has been rising, but it's still a big dip.
At the top end you've got the computer science types developing all these internet and AI based systems almost all of which run on Linux servers in the back end. Linux dominates literally every computing platform except desktops.
hoshikarakitaridia
in reply to Captain Aggravated • • •Nikelui
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in reply to Nikelui • • •iopq
in reply to wltr • • •Nikelui
in reply to iopq • • •photogimp.com/
PhotoGIMP – GIMP Patch for Photoshop-Like UI
PhotoGIMPwltr
in reply to iopq • • •GitHub - Diolinux/PhotoGIMP: A Patch for GIMP 3+ for Photoshop Users
GitHubzealouscurmedgeon
in reply to Captain Aggravated • • •My school system had thin clients running CentOS growing up and nobody had issues.
ilinamorato
in reply to Captain Aggravated • • •Captain Aggravated
in reply to ilinamorato • • •Bilb!
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in reply to Bilb! • • •treadful
in reply to inari • • •I'm so happy Framework appears to be doing well.
I've already replaced the keyboard of my 5yo OG 13 and plan to Frankenstein this thing as long as I can. I secretly hope the mainboard fails so I'm forced to upgrade.
Maybe after RAM prices recover...
this_1_is_mine
in reply to inari • • •circuitfarmer
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aim4harmony
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in reply to aim4harmony • • •Ada
in reply to inari • • •houjou
in reply to Ada • • •Ada
in reply to houjou • • •Meldrik
in reply to Ada • • •Ada
in reply to Meldrik • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •Ada
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •That's not how it works, right? You make the accusation; so you provide the evidence.
The claim implied in the present tense is that their relationship with DHH (insofar as there was one) is still ongoing.
Ada
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •Because... of the paper trail? Rails World 2026 sponsorships are up and they are not in; they haven't retweeted Omarchy rices since October; and... I admit, I can't be sure they haven't sent him another computer. Which — as you know — concludes the exhaustive trifecta of clear, loud and unambiguous support for bigots.
But you, I, and everyone else knows it's not about what they do materially. As someone in a related thread actually put in writing, they ought to "denounce, when questioned".
Meh.
Rails World 2026 — Rails World 2026 - September 23 & 24 in Austin, TX
Rails World 2026Ada
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •If we agree the issue is about denouncing alone, and not any material activity, maybe the intellectually honest thing would be to update
to say what you actually mean — a tech company that refused to take a stance outside of their purview. (As a company). Which, I agree, is not exactly a badge of honour.
(Not to mention they never, once, funded DHH directly. But sure, retweets win at the exchange rate.)
(Oh and please look up Mette Frederiksen at some point.)
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www.google.comAda
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •Ada
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •They positioned themselves as the ethical choice, financially supported a bigot, and advertised his distro, then made excuses for it when called out.
Kinda like you're doing
eshep
in reply to Ada • •🤔 Is talking shit about a bigot for their bigoty ways not bigotry itself?
@𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
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𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •Frankly, I can live with that framing.
On both counts, even.
halcyoncmdr
in reply to houjou • • •One of several open source projects they're helping fund happens to be run by a person like that. They're funding is because of the open source project, but some people are very vocal that they'd rather the project not exist at all, and post about it every chance they get.
It's like how some vegans can't help but tell you loudly and at every opportunity that they're vegan. Or some of the more insufferable Linux users in general. Venn diagram is probably a near circle with that linux group actually.
FOSS is a pretty small community in the grand scheme, if you avoided any project run by an objectionable individual, you couldn't run much of anything.
There's been plenty of posts about this particular issue all over if you go looking for it. I'd recommend doing your own research on whether you have a problem with it, and not rely on just a couple random commenters here, myself included.
eleijeep
in reply to houjou • • •community.frame.work/t/framewo…
crimier.github.io/posts/Framew…
Framework supporting far-right racists?
Framework Community𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to eleijeep • • •I would add links to some of the conclusions in that same gargantuan thread:
community.frame.work/t/framewo…
community.frame.work/t/framewo…
Framework supporting far-right racists?
Framework CommunityMeldrik
in reply to houjou • • •Read this blog post:
- crimier.github.io/posts/Framew…
Framework does not sponsor Omarchy. They sponsor Hyprland, which is mentioned in the blog post and Rails World, a conference that DHH is part of.
List of projects sponsored by Framework:
- frame.work/dk/en/blog/framewor…
Framework under fire for Omarchy/DHH/Hyprland support?
Arya Bread CrumbsCaveman
in reply to houjou • • •They sent money to DHH, creator of Ruby and gave some lip service to his Omarchy OS. They were defending it with some big tent statements which didn't go super well with the ones that had a bad opinion of him. DHH has great replacement theory views which is concerning and blogs about it.
Their Arch based Hyprland stuff was overblown though since it was just one weird mod and didn't reflect the project's leadership opinions.
Radieschen
in reply to houjou • • •Gardiner Bryant did a video on this: video.4d2.org/w/rPMMDnLBA4kVmS…
Gardiner Bryant
2025-10-14 00:37:56
The D Quuuuuill
in reply to Ada • • •𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •DHH is a an ethno-nationalist and a racist, I'll grant that.
Care to support the transphobes angle with evidence? Or does it work like an honorary title?
Ada
in reply to 𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉 • • •Interesting that you chose to be passive aggressive and get your back up at the the idea that he's transphobic, rather than simply asking for evidence...
In any case, he did an article on his blog celebrating Abigail Shrier and her transphobic Irreversible Damage book. I'm not going to link to his blog, but if you want to find it, it was posted in March 2024
𝖕𝖘𝖊𝖚𝖉
in reply to Ada • • •As I remembered, he positively reviewed a different book by her (Bad Therapy), which deals with parenting, and not with trans issues. Looking again (not happily), he does mention Irreversible Damage — but in passing, in an ambivalent way.
I think he never broached that particular topic, but I don't have the stomach to go over DHH's writing and check in detail. So you might be right.
VAK
in reply to inari • • •tun
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in reply to tun • • •ilinamorato
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in reply to VAK • • •Felix
in reply to inari • • •does not surprise me. Framework appeals to users, who love DIY. The same applies for Linux.
If you‘re not into Linux/DIY, MacBook gives you a much better offering for the same price. If you‘re a masochist wanting Windows, you simply have smooth other options for lower price.
Holytimes
in reply to Felix • • •Dima
in reply to Holytimes • • •Diplomjodler
in reply to Holytimes • • •WFH
in reply to Holytimes • • •They always were Linux-friendly. Some hardware choices like the fingerprint reader were directly related to Linux compatibility. Firmware and UEFI updates have always been available on Linux. They sponsor a lot of FOSS projects (some of them unfortunately linked to nazi dipshits, stirring a lot of controversy, but 99% of them are clean).
They may not have explicitely advertised Linux before, but they dropped a lot of hints.
sleepmode
in reply to Felix • • •I’d like to also point out that MacOS has a hypervisor support framework built in so it can virtualize Linux built for ARM (aarch64 or arm64) very well on the Apple Silicon variants and also x86 on the Intel ones.
You can set that up yourself or use something like utm, which makes it easier. UTM also lets you set up hypervisors that can run Linux built for different architectures. Of course you can also rock Asahi on Apple Silicon hardware and blah blah blah.
But also for the non-DIYers or those who cannot abide Apple anything but want Linux there are alternatives (feel free to add to this of course):
nova custom
MNT Research
Star Labs
Tux
System76
Running GUI Linux in a virtual machine on a Mac | Apple Developer Documentation
Apple Developer DocumentationKorhaka
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HulkSmashBurgers
in reply to inari • • •I recently bought a used alienware x14 r1 from a co-worker but if I hadn't I would have picked up one of these if I knew about the company. The configurability (and upgradability) is very appealing to me.
One of these will be my next laptop I think.
Wispy2891
in reply to inari • • •I wonder how many would just do it for the extra discount and then use massgrave
Edit:
I went to watch their prices for the diy series
(Preinstalled, is +220 € for win 11 pro or free Ubuntu, can't get win home edition if preinstalled)
https://lemmy.org/u/Jiral
in reply to Wispy2891 • • •MithranArkanere
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in reply to MithranArkanere • • •Aceticon
in reply to inari • • •Framework computers aren't really targeted at the average consumer.
It makes sense that the kind of people who value hardware which they can easily and freely maintain and upgrade also value software which they can easily and freely maintain and upgrade.
For sure Linux being a free option vs Windows being a paid for one also helps.
ArcaneSlime
in reply to Aceticon • • •PolarKraken
in reply to Aceticon • • •CriticalMiss
in reply to PolarKraken • • •PolarKraken
in reply to CriticalMiss • • •Quite well aware, as in, more aware than I want to be lol - but why would these be buying Framework tho? Overlap of folks wanting a Framework laptop at orgs forced to use (only) Windows, at orgs willing to then buy Framework laptops seems real small. And I mean, buying it with Windows installed does suggest what you're saying.
So hey, I'm wrong about a lot, such is life lol, maybe it makes sense.
chgxvjh [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to inari • • •This includes people that install windows with their own license.
Paying the full 259€ for Windows Pro is just kinda ridiculous, when you can get keys for 30€ from resellers or just for free.
https://lemmy.org/u/Jiral
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