Mike Pence says the Trump administration has ‘departed’ from conservative principles
Trump’s former vice president also called the administration’s “anti-weaponization” fund “deeply offensive.”
Former Vice President Mike Pence said Sunday that President Donald Trump’s second administration has “departed” from traditional conservative principles.
Pence, who served as Trump’s vice president from 2017 to 2021, told NBC News’ “Meet the Press” that the administration is no longer committed to “the conservative agenda that has defined the Republican Party since the days of Ronald Reagan, and before that an agenda of American leadership, limited government, free market economics, the right to life.”
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in reply to MicroWave • • •This loser enabled all of it and only got cold feet when the mob came for him.
Now we’re supposed to sympathize with his milquetoast denials? Show me a shred of actual resistance to the fascist hell you helped create.
I don’t care if the MAGAs do hang Mike Pence.
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Mk23simp
in reply to Voroxpete • • •He's the purest representation of right-wing principles we have seen. That's not the same thing as conservative. A conservative position opposes all change - including change to the right. So I'd say that Pence is right.
If anything, the Democrats are the more conservative party right now, and the MAGA Republicans are trying to move the country further to the right. I still don't think that a conservative position is good, but it's better than a fascist position.
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in reply to Voroxpete • • •And as a corollary of that, staunchly defending unaccountable privilege. It wasn't just the lower orders getting a voice that scared them, it was the possibility that rule of law and meritocracy would disrupt their long-running gravy trains.
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in reply to Mk23simp • • •No, that's just a lie conservatives tell to whitewash their abhorrent worldview.
The Origins of Conservatism
Endnote 3: The Origins of Conservatism
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in reply to TomMasz • • •He’s banking on, and probably mildly correct, that there’s voters who want to go back to that era and like MTG, want to distance themselves from Trump and his methods but not the power/results. He’ll never get anywhere though. They’ve sold their souls 3x to support Trump and will again rather than risk splitting conservatism and creating openings for opposition to win.
Trump brand conservatism appeals to everyone from Boomers yearning for a return to the privilege of mid-century America to Gen Zs who think mid-century America was the Golden Age it’s said to be and that they’ve been denied. Nobody wants a polite, stick-up-his-ass, Victorian sensibility patriarch that has the personality of wet cardboard.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Ronald Reagan was a actor, not at all a factor
Just an employee of the country's real masters
Just like the Bushes, Clinton and Obama
Just another talking head telling lies on teleprompters
If you don't believe the theory, then argue with this logic
Why did Reagan and Obama both go after Gaddafi?
We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
They only love the rich and how they loathe the poor
If I say any more they might be at my door
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No we just block the stupid
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they are exactly rapeublican and CONservative grifts. this is exactly how it was fucking setup you biggoted homophobe ass livking trump sucker.
you fucked indiana, you fucked the office of the vp, you probably fucked children
FUCKING DIE YOU ANCIENT PILED FUCKING LOOSER CUNT
DIE
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Got something on your nose there, Mike.
Oh. It doesn’t come off. I see.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •I watched him on Meet The Press this morning, and what an out of touch loser he is. He still thinks that people are going to rally behind his return to Conservative Principles, not understanding that the Republican Party no longer exists. That was just the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
You'd think he'd understand that, since on the day they made that metamorphosis - January 6, 2021 - he was there, and was a prime target of the MAGA Mob.
Instead of being vocally in conflict with MAGA, he just trotted out out the tired old conservative tropes about radical left liberals, Socialism, gender politics, etc. whining about how that's what Dems are all about, when it's MAGAs like him that won't stop talking about it. Dems want to talk about crushing MAGA, health care, affordability, etc., but MAGAs don't want to talk about the real issues Dems want to talk about, MAGAs only want to discuss their fake issues.
This guy came off as another lost old school conservative, who still thinks they can go back to the good old Reagan days. Just go ba
... Show more...I watched him on Meet The Press this morning, and what an out of touch loser he is. He still thinks that people are going to rally behind his return to Conservative Principles, not understanding that the Republican Party no longer exists. That was just the larval stage, before they morphed into their final form - MAGA.
You'd think he'd understand that, since on the day they made that metamorphosis - January 6, 2021 - he was there, and was a prime target of the MAGA Mob.
Instead of being vocally in conflict with MAGA, he just trotted out out the tired old conservative tropes about radical left liberals, Socialism, gender politics, etc. whining about how that's what Dems are all about, when it's MAGAs like him that won't stop talking about it. Dems want to talk about crushing MAGA, health care, affordability, etc., but MAGAs don't want to talk about the real issues Dems want to talk about, MAGAs only want to discuss their fake issues.
This guy came off as another lost old school conservative, who still thinks they can go back to the good old Reagan days. Just go back to the country club and drink highballs with Newt Gingrich and John Cornyn, and whine about how the younger generation doesn't respect them.
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in reply to resipsaloquitur • • •He's costing rich people money!
But more importantly his polling is down.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •wow, took this long AFTER HIS GOONS RIOTED TO HANG YOU to make that connection mike?
goddamn I do believe pence may be dumber than trump.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •The Gilead faction is the true one and not the Reich faction?
Yeah, sure, OK, but I still wish a plague on both their houses.
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That guy is No True ~~Scotsman~~, oops, I mean, Conservative!
-- guy who barely escaped the noose.
I mean, it's fucking wild how they treat this absolute fraud of a "businessman" with kid gloves.
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Did you just hear about the surveillance state? It started back in the 1900's and it wasn't until 1978 that is was determined to even need a warrant to do it. This quickly became secret warrants that the public never gets to see.
Even when I was a kid back in the 1980's project Echelon and Magic Lantern were considered conspiracy theories until decades later Snowden proved it was all true.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •I saw that interview, and he's always been an arrogant, out-of-touch religious whackjob, but now you can add pathetic to the list.
He still thinks he can convince drooling MAGAs to follow him on his quest to return to Core Conservative Principles, but he didn't do it by explaining what Core Conservative Principles are, and how MAGA doesn't respect them. He just went right to spewing the same old tired Conservative Propaganda Machine tropes about left-wing radicals, gender, blah, blah, blah, it's so boring.
He hasn't realized something that everybody on the outside knows: The Republican Party is dead. That was just the larval stage before it morphed into their final form - MAGA. Anybody who would buy into his lame old list of conservative whines, has already turned MAGA, and they ain't coming back.
And MAGA literally tried to murder him. Yet instead of attacking them, and showing the right how MAGA is wrong for the party, America, and the World, and they need to return to true Conservatism, he just attacks Democrats with the same old MAGA complaints they've always
... Show more...I saw that interview, and he's always been an arrogant, out-of-touch religious whackjob, but now you can add pathetic to the list.
He still thinks he can convince drooling MAGAs to follow him on his quest to return to Core Conservative Principles, but he didn't do it by explaining what Core Conservative Principles are, and how MAGA doesn't respect them. He just went right to spewing the same old tired Conservative Propaganda Machine tropes about left-wing radicals, gender, blah, blah, blah, it's so boring.
He hasn't realized something that everybody on the outside knows: The Republican Party is dead. That was just the larval stage before it morphed into their final form - MAGA. Anybody who would buy into his lame old list of conservative whines, has already turned MAGA, and they ain't coming back.
And MAGA literally tried to murder him. Yet instead of attacking them, and showing the right how MAGA is wrong for the party, America, and the World, and they need to return to true Conservatism, he just attacks Democrats with the same old MAGA complaints they've always had. It turns out righties actually wanted something other that a smaller government and lower taxes, they wanted to indulge their hatred even more, and that feels GOOD. Why should they support Pence, when they are already supporting someone who is following through with what they truly want?
On the positive side, a return to Core Conservative Principles would create a completely separate party from MAGA, and I strongly encourage him to do that. He can take all the Righties who want to go back to the good old days of Reagan, and Trump can get all the MAGAs, and we can have a 3 Party system, with the right wing split between the Sociopaths, and the Psychopaths.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •LOL.
ROTFLMAO, even.
Fucking conservatives always pull this No True Conservative bullshit when a con's poll numbers start to flag....
Because just like it is with Communists, conservatism can never fail, it's just that people fail conservatism.
This claim that so-and-so has failed conservatism in some way is as predictable as the tides.
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in reply to MicroWave • • •Sorry, not sorry Pence.
You’ll forever be the guy with a fly on his head.
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