Personally I always had issues with the concept of a "country" and "borders"
Like who are you to tell me where I can and cannot go on this planet..
Everyone should be free to travel where ever they want on this planet
Just because a huuman claimed land centuries ago decides how we live, it's pretty messed up if you ask me
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Gondor
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Agree 💯 It's rediciolous and stupid as flags and this Eddie Izzard-clip is funny:
youtu.be/UTduy7Qkvk8?feature=s…
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Unknown parent • • •El Duvelle
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Or maybe we can have no borders, no countries, and still somehow all agree to live in harmony, between each other and also between humans and nature? 🤔
stux⚡
in reply to El Duvelle • • •@elduvelle More like an United Nations 😉
We need a government but not in the current forms, more general
Perhaps current countries first as provinces
But at least no single rulers like kings, queens, presidents or dictators
Grymt
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El Duvelle
in reply to Grymt • • •I guess this assumes that a lot more humans are nice than bad. I would like to believe this, and I think this is how humanity has survived originally - by helping each other, including the weakest members - but I am not fully convinced it is the case.
Or rather, even if there's more nice people overall, they seem to very easily follow dictators, strong-looking leaders that shout loudly but are just really selfish. How do we avoid that from happening in our utopic, border-free world?
stux⚡
in reply to El Duvelle • • •While hibernating, Svavar
in reply to stux⚡ • • •How do you approach in-group favoritism (a.k.a. in-group bias) and its effects when anyone can move anywhere?
Does that risk creating tensions and undermining the cohesion of the host country?
Even in places like the US and EU where people are free to move around, most stay in their country/state of origin.
When people do migrate en masse, they tend to stick together and form enclaves like Brits and Scandinavians do in Spain.
It's a lofty idea that I think is fraught with challenges.
@stux
Tor Iver Wilhelmsen
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Well, the entire thing about middle eastern borders is that they were drawn by the British Empire with not much logic behind them.
There isn't really a right or a reason to borders. They're artifacts of past and current struggles. If the middle east was peaceful, the borders would disappear, just like they have in the EU. That's what peace means, really.
And different states are just a method of not getting in each other's business. "You do you, I don't care".
Miss Warcraft
in reply to לָקס (לא לותור) لاكس • • •לָקס (לא לותור) لاكس
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...Saudi Arabia is 1/20ish middle eastern countries, and its ruler-like borders are still ruler-like for a reason.
> Really, try reading a History Book about the area
A bold thing to say to a middle-easterner, after not recognizing a semitic alphabet.
Miss Warcraft
in reply to לָקס (לא לותור) لاكس • • •לָקס (לא לותור) لاكس
in reply to Miss Warcraft • • •@MissWarcraft @toriver eh?
I'm saying that the modern borders of the middle east were drawn by empires, and not by some kind of ethno/religious/national difference like in Europe.
Saudi Arabia's ones weren't drawn by brits, yes, but these are still imperially-defined borders, I don't see how that matters..?
> Why do you want to Give Europeans credit for creating Saudi Arabia?
...what
stux⚡
Unknown parent • • •@ranx @krans But wasn't there even more anarachy?
Nowadays we "keep each other in check" with modern media to record etc
Peter Brett
Unknown parent • • •@ranx “Everyone free to go anywhere on the planet” worked without issues for literally thousands of years. Why would it be different now?
Administrative boundaries and controlled borders are two different things. You can have one without the other.
@stux #PostNationalism
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Unknown parent • • •@BradRubenstein Difference is.. I don't have to own every single piece of land I come across
We can also enjoy stuff without having to "own" it all I guess
Ivan Carapovic
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in reply to Ivan Carapovic • • •@Chapz What is "bad people"?
Soneone who's trying to flee war and looking for a better home or?
The line is very thin
Ivan Carapovic
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Bad people is subjective. It could be a murderer or simply someone I don't trust. But my point is I don't think anyone who wants no boders would also keep their door wide open at night for anyone who might want to enter. Otherwise it would be just double standards.
Borders exist for people inside to feel safe. Just like in medieval times when people for whatever reason preferred to live behind big stone walls. Safety comes before freedom.
Nibor4000 🇬🇧 Ⓥ
in reply to stux⚡ • • •@Chapz
Bad people, like fare dodgers 🙄
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Unknown parent • • •@BradRubenstein Tihi
Hmm.. otherwise it won't be any different from all those before in history
UkeleleEric
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in reply to Daniel S. Reichenbach • • •Chris McMillan
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Eli Wallach's favorite Bass
in reply to stux⚡ • • •⏫the Westphalian nation state system was the project 2025 of its time
A blueprint for greater control of the poors
It worked so well that a couple centuries later frontiers became borders became do you have a right to be here...it's a new phenomenon
And they keep pressing their luck.
Gaza is being allowed by the nation states, because it is a blueprint for what's next for the oligarch's country club of the world
Miss Warcraft
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in reply to stux⚡ • • •Martin
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Dreams crash into reality.
Imagine, there's no country, .... .
Schengen (in Europe),
....
Something to cry for.
Mel
in reply to stux⚡ • • •One World One People
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One World
One People
Borders
The moment is limitless and without boundaries. On the surface of the world we have created borders between people and lines on maps. These limits to your movements and interactions with others have been created for the protection of order and wealth. They will always be corrupted to secure greed and a disparity between people that is unnecessary.
*This is the first part of the Borders text. It continues to describe a long hard transition.
Mike Fraser
in reply to stux⚡ • • •We've haven't evolved past this point.
stux⚡
in reply to stux⚡ • • •I deliberately start my post with "personally I..." because it's the way how I think about a certain subject in a given time
As we all know, there is a LOT more to it then just an idea or vision
At this point in time the world is going through a lot of trouble and my idea or vision does not make super much sense, I know
It's just how, I personally again, would like to see the world turn out
Unfort we are not ready for this, if ever
Laffy
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in reply to stux⚡ • • •Dgar
in reply to stux⚡ • • •One must first imagine a better world before they can create it.
Keep sharing your vision of the world you’d like to see.
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Krisvdm
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Gar Lipow
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Dusk to Don
in reply to stux⚡ • • •HELL YES.
NO ONE IS ILLEGAL ON STOLEN LAND.
From #behindTheBastards :
❝The maintenance of every border implies violence. And this is both physical borders like the border between us in Mexico, and like what you're seeing right now with the attempt to legislate like what counts as a woman, with all these anti-trans things. Both of those borders are maintained by men with guns, with violence. There's the threat of violence behind building every one of those borders. If you cross this border, or at least cross it in the wrong way, force will be used against you. Every democracy does this, and it does this not just in terms of who can enter the country, but who gets to vote.
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. . . because what you do as the reactionary is you find that border wherever it exists, and you start pushing inward. And as you start pushing inward from that border, you will start fracturing the democratic consensus that exists until you can destroy democracy. And that's how you gain power as a reactionary mo
HELL YES.
NO ONE IS ILLEGAL ON STOLEN LAND.
From #behindTheBastards :
❝The maintenance of every border implies violence. And this is both physical borders like the border between us in Mexico, and like what you're seeing right now with the attempt to legislate like what counts as a woman, with all these anti-trans things. Both of those borders are maintained by men with guns, with violence. There's the threat of violence behind building every one of those borders. If you cross this border, or at least cross it in the wrong way, force will be used against you. Every democracy does this, and it does this not just in terms of who can enter the country, but who gets to vote.
[...]
. . . because what you do as the reactionary is you find that border wherever it exists, and you start pushing inward. And as you start pushing inward from that border, you will start fracturing the democratic consensus that exists until you can destroy democracy. And that's how you gain power as a reactionary movement within a liberal That's how you destroy liberalism. You find the border that they placed and you start pushing inwards. That's what Carl realizes, and that's what he lays out, and it works today as well as it did back then.❞
Here's more context, and the episode link:
todon.eu/@dusk/114643080672192…
Dusk to Don
2025-06-07 16:43:05
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Unknown parent • • •Juho Mäntysalo
in reply to stux⚡ • • •a fish named dog ✡️♾️
in reply to stux⚡ • • •If it's anarchy, well, say you're a queer person in a small, VERY red town in a blue state. Anarchy means no punishment for them.
Bill Zaumen
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Here's why you have different countries:
youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq…
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www.youtube.comKvn W
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Consider what people like the Tohono O'Odham are still putting up with.
tonation-nsn.gov/nowall/
No Wall - Tohono O'odham Nation
Tohono O'odham Nationgroff 🇺🇦
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