@eyrea I can't live without proper Healthcare. I can't live or get a good job without education. I can't work without the fruits of Science. Without People protecting me I would probably be dead.
I live without arts just fine. My house is also heated by science. Not arts.
@chris Everything you just mentioned was also brought to you by the arts. We categorize them to make them manageable, but they're all interconnected.
It's the same thing as if someone tried to claim medicine was possible without science, just because some medical methods were discovered before modern science.
That you're not even understanding this shows how much you need the arts.
@chris > I am sure Isaac Newton had a lot of help from modern expressionist dancers...
Well no, but he did have a lot help from philosophy, without which people like him wouldn't have been able to come up with the cluster of ideas that gave us the scientific method. Philosophy is an art not a science.
I can see how reducing the broad term 'arts' to 'creative hobbies' serves your argument, but it's a strawman.
@chris > Likewise your doctrine of "Everything is - thanks to art" is faulty as well
How so?
> I would agree that we need art. As long as it enables Science and the rest to do their work. The rest is not required.
I see. How would you distinguish the arts you consider necessary from the ones you don't? Given that their contributions to "science and the rest" is generally only clear in hindsight.
Jacob Urlich 🌍
in reply to Critical Cupcake • •Christian
in reply to Critical Cupcake • • •Order:
- Healthcare
- Education
- Science
- War (Defense)
- Arts.
No Health, nothin else matters.
No Education, No science down the road.
No science, nothing matter.
No defensive capabilites, russia.
Arts, meh.
eyrea
in reply to Christian • • •@chris No arts, no cartoon.
No arts, no explaining the rest.
No arts, none of the metaphorical reasoning required for scientific and especially medical advances.
Instead, you get the simplistic, immediate-results thinking that results in "arts, meh".
There is nothing shameful or time-wasting about a well-rounded education.
Christian
in reply to eyrea • • •@eyrea
I can't live without proper Healthcare.
I can't live or get a good job without education.
I can't work without the fruits of Science.
Without People protecting me I would probably be dead.
I live without arts just fine.
My house is also heated by science. Not arts.
eyrea
in reply to Christian • • •@chris Everything you just mentioned was also brought to you by the arts. We categorize them to make them manageable, but they're all interconnected.
It's the same thing as if someone tried to claim medicine was possible without science, just because some medical methods were discovered before modern science.
That you're not even understanding this shows how much you need the arts.
Christian
in reply to eyrea • • •@eyrea Saying "Physics is arts" shows how desperatly art people are trying to say "People need us!".
I am sure Isaac Newton had a lot of help from modern expressionist dancers while he discovered the Newton Laws.
Strypey
in reply to Christian • • •@chris
> I am sure Isaac Newton had a lot of help from modern expressionist dancers...
Well no, but he did have a lot help from philosophy, without which people like him wouldn't have been able to come up with the cluster of ideas that gave us the scientific method. Philosophy is an art not a science.
I can see how reducing the broad term 'arts' to 'creative hobbies' serves your argument, but it's a strawman.
@eyrea @CriticalCupcake
Christian
in reply to Strypey • • •@strypey @eyrea Likewise your doctrine of "Everything is - thanks to art" is faulty as well.
By your definition I would agree that we need art. As long as it enables Science and the rest to do their work.
The rest is not required.
Strypey
in reply to Christian • • •@chris
> Likewise your doctrine of "Everything is - thanks to art" is faulty as well
How so?
> I would agree that we need art. As long as it enables Science and the rest to do their work. The rest is not required.
I see. How would you distinguish the arts you consider necessary from the ones you don't? Given that their contributions to "science and the rest" is generally only clear in hindsight.
@eyrea @CriticalCupcake
Christian
in reply to Strypey • • •@strypey @eyrea ... For science!
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