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Bluesky's terms of use state: "We may terminate or suspend, in whole or in part, your access to and use of the Services, including suspending access to or terminating your ACCOUNT".

This is a very odd policy for a company that trumpets nomadic identity as its killer feature.

I mean, that's the whole reason why Bluesky built a whole new protocol instead of using ActivityPub, right?

If Bluesky can suspend your account without notice, what's the point?

@fediversenews

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in reply to Chris Trottier

The Whatever We Feel Like clause...has a musky scent to it.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

There are lots of goodies in that TOS like how they can use cookies to track you all over the internets to improve the ads they're going to show you. Somehow feeling very like conventional social media...

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in reply to Codesmith

@codesmith yeah this all reads like Facebook 1.0 do they have any GDPR language
in reply to hammancheez

@hammancheez I'm no lawyer but I'd expect potentially not allowing you to delete your account would be considered a violation of GDPR.
in reply to Chris Trottier

...bUt It HaS fUlL sEaRcH (ignore other fediverse clients.. because.. reasons...)

...AnD iT lOoKs MoRe LiKe TwItTeR

...aNd I gOt An InViTe So I aRe TeH iMpOrTaNtZ

..yea.. no. Keep your BlueSky... I'm good...

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in reply to Chris Trottier

if I got banned from bluesky, I would simply go to another instance

/s

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in reply to Chris Trottier

This is pretty much everybody’s TOS.

Pretty sure most Masto servers can do the same.

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in reply to Lizard

@Lizard @Chris Trottier This sounds more like Eugen Rochko having the right and the power to ban you from all of Mastodon on a whim without telling you why.

And unlike the Fediverse, Bluesky won't let you go elsewhere because there's only this one project that uses the AT protocol. And I'm not sure how kindly they'd take Friendica hypothetically adding AT/Bluesky federation.

in reply to Chris Trottier

I spent last night reading all the protocol documentation and so I can tell you this is fine. Your posts are all held in your Personal Data Store, and your client has a backup of it. You just connect to another ATP server and carry on. Problem solved.
Or, just as soon as there’s a second server to connect to. Any day now. Probably.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

Where can I find the most recent data on signups/usage of Mastodon since last fall? I keep seeing references to "slumps" in numbers but I thought it was still growing overall. @fediversenews

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in reply to Dan Gillmor

@dangillmor I use a variety of sources: @mastodonusercount, fediverse.observer, the-federation.info, and beta.fedidb.org

Short answer: there's no slump.

Sign-ups continue to increase -- albeit, not at the same rate as in November -- November was a spike.

While MAUs decreased since November, it's increased again this month (according to @Gargron).

But what's more interesting is that HYAUs is at a peak.

And we're very close to breaking 1 billion posts per month!

See chart.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

@dangillmor But this chart for Misskey is even more interesting to me. This is
Average Misskey Total Users by Month.

The growth is absurd -- and it has been validated by multiple sources.

Misskey is part of the Fediverse, and it talks to Mastodon.

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in reply to Dan Gillmor

@dangillmor I follow @mastodonusercount. It’s a bot and don’t know if it’s what you are looking for….but I find it interesting.
in reply to Chris Trottier

I don't want to go back to being a pawn in another Game of Billionaires

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in reply to Chris Trottier

if fact you are twisting the TOS. In order for them to operate, they need to be able to promote the app. That means, they will take screenshots of Bluesky, which will include users’ content. That said, they have explicitly told us community that if we are using our content in a way we disapprove of, please we can email them

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in reply to monbrielle

@monbrielle Surely they could use sample data for screenshots to promote the app. "We're going to get the rights to ALL of your content and promise we'll only EVER use it for this one specific purpose. Trust me bro." does not do it for me.
in reply to Codesmith

just say that you dislike bluesky and be done ^^ we can shitpost there the whole time without feeling left out like we do here
in reply to monbrielle

@monbrielle This has nothing to do with screenshots. It has everything to do with Bluesky having one node, and writing into the TOS that they may suspend accounts without notice.

Well, when is Bluesky planning to actually decentralize?

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in reply to monbrielle

@monbrielle
Sure, they put that in the TOS because no one in their marketing dept could be bothered making a mock-up of the UI. Sure.
"we can email them" lulz
@atomicpoet @fediversenews
in reply to Chris Trottier

seems the only way they can 'terminate' a users account is if they control all instances of the service..which of course means it's not decentralized... 🤔 Wonder which way that will go?

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in reply to meadowhawk

@meadowhawk I mean, they DO control “all instances of the service” as there is only one.
I wonder if it’s because they can’t even get their “placeholder” distributed ID system to work with just two instances.
Virtually nothing they’ve said so far stands up to any scrutiny.
in reply to Kevin Davidson

@MetalSamurai you hit on my thoughts exactly, if you're not testing in 2 servers, you haven't tested federation at all. Not a smart way to go about a beta test. Very sus
in reply to meadowhawk

sets the stage for poorly implementing federation as an after thought and then holding up the low participation numbers as ‘proof users do not want federation’
in reply to joel b

@skotchygut @MetalSamurai agreed, I expect a bumpy ride on federation if it ever happens or works well.
in reply to meadowhawk

puts on helmet and motorcross gear “I came here to shred and have a fun time!”
in reply to Chris Trottier

lol good find! Where is my charlie brown and lucy with the football gif?
in reply to Chris Trottier

Yeah this is something I saw coming. I am not the least bit surprised. Freedom of speech wrapped in the Emperors new clothes.

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Chris Trottier
@vision This is not what a FEDERATED service with NOMADIC identity does.
in reply to Chris Trottier

Want yer account to never be terminated? Run yer own instance! People could still block you or your instance, but you're account will still be intact.

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in reply to eshep

so then who needs bluesky at all? Can you show me how to federate with them?
in reply to Chris Trottier

How does this technically work with "decentralized" network...???

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in reply to František Fuka (Fuxoft)

I guess those are “Bluesky instance’s terms”, not the AT Protocol’s terms?
in reply to Chris Trottier

the next point about "oh, you want to delete your account? we'll manually review if we allow that" will probably be of interest for European authorities.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

entiendo que se refiere a BlueSky, que viene a ser el servidor de esa red social, pero nada te impediría tener usuario en otras redes sociales que utilicen ese protocolo, no?

Si fuera asi, en realidad no es muy diferente a Mastodon.

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Chris Trottier
@psotle Okay, do you realize that Bluesky is not a standard site when it comes to ACCOUNTS?

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Chris Trottier

@psotle Actually, it's VERY different!

Google effectively owns your account.

With AT protocol, the account owner is supposed to be you.

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Chris Trottier

@psotle This is my point. You don't know what "own your account" means in the context of AT protocol and Bluesky.

Which means the one advantage that Bluesky supposedly has over every decentralized service that exists is completely lost on you.

And the fact you believe account terminations are par for the course -- despite it being contrary to Bluesky's incredible claim -- shows you probably don't care.

That's fine -- but what do you believe is the point of Bluesky?

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@psotle

Good to push back agenst the signal-to-noise issue we are having :)

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joel b

my favorite anecdote to tell about Google starts a few months ago when I decided to try some of these cool new Linux distros that do rolling releases. I was always a debian/ubuntu fan but I wanted the new shiny as a daily driver.

This means I had to actually use the OS’s for a couple days to really get a feel for them. In an attempt to ‘burn the ships’ I deleted my old install each time. I quickly learned that the almighty Google did not approve of this activity. They quickly flagged my accounts as compromised. Nothing I could do would convince them I was the legit owner. The only choice was to stop attempting to login for a week, at which point they decided I was telling the truth.

Instead I started the process of removing all of their properties from my online presence. It costs about $USD 80 a year now but not only am I in control but self-hosting is blazing fast compared to their adtech-choked experience. Now I am trying to get my family to switch in order to increase the return on that $USD 80/annum

in reply to joel b

@skotchygut @psotle what service(s) do you use instead? Any you would recommend?
in reply to Roman Lutz

For email I can’t say enough good things about fastmail.com. At $60/year that is most of the annual expense. They let me use my own domain and all of my other services tie into it for email (think password resets and notifications). They support FIDO2 authentication and their API integration has been more then enough for all my needs.

Nextcloud is what I’ve started using for sharing large files and collaboration. I am pretty new at this but so far I am very impressed with the functionality. I run it on a cheap VPS that I forgot to figure into the annual cost but I use VPS for many other things as well such as my blog and hosting my own pleroma instance, which we are interacting thru right now.

It helps that I love doing all this stuff and so not only do I consider my labor to be free, it’s actually a source of fun that I’d be happy to pay for.

in reply to joel b

@skotchygut @psotle I've gone through this process numerous times. Every time I switch distros. I've finally got fed up. I'm dropping google. It's just not worth the headaches. I guess there is more than one price for "free."

There are lots of options that are much better than what google offers. Some are "free" some aren't. Paying is no guarantee there aren't creeps in the bushes siphoning off data.

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in reply to Dave

I don’t expect guarantees. I want control. I want a business relationship. I want a contact to reach out to when there is a problem. I want respect as a customer.

Perfection is the enemy of good.