The media in this post is not displayed to visitors. To view it, please go to the original post.

For digital spaces built on safety, transparency, and freedom.

We brought together top experts for our new Special Panel on child safety online.

We are looking into real solutions, like harmonised age limits for social media across all EU countries , and making sure tech platforms step up to protect young minds.

We are here to help make the internet a safer playground.

More 👉 link.europa.eu/cKjMRh

This entry was edited (1 month ago)

reshared this

in reply to European Commission

Because as we all know, from deep within our guts, all people that harm children are the weird perverts online. It's not as if abuse is usually done by people close to the children who have institutional power over them—and the research bears that out—that would obviously be absurd! We should give people close to children way more power to control everything they see! Because children deserve to see only trivial things that aren't challenging the worldview of those that own and control them! God forbid they see a queer person or something...
in reply to European Commission

This is like asking kids not to leave the house because the car traffic outside is too dangerous.

The solution is to reduce the traffic, and its speed, not to ban kids from leaving the house.

Also, the traffic is dangerous to everyone, not just the kids, even if they might be particularly at risk.

Don't penalize a vulnerable group; treat the problem instead!

On social media, we don't need age limits; we need better enforcement of content moderation rules!

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

explicit

Sensitive content

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

I'm sorry, what you are going to obtain is children using internet illegally, because they will find a way, more uncontrolled than ever, and absolutely no benefit for the rest of users, specially for those in sensitive and dangerous situations. I, as a father, don't wan't this for my kids.

You start deciding what we can see on internet, will end on what we can read, say or think.

Internet is not a playground, we should start educating and teaching, not blocking and forbidding.

in reply to Webber-e-bop

Thank you for your questions, @webbop!
Privacy is a core consideration in this work. The EU age verification solution that we are testing is specifically designed to confirm age without collecting any other identity data. Imagine it works like this: the adult-only website you want to access will only know if you are 18 or over, nothing else.
You can learn more about our approach to age verification here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
in reply to European Commission

@webbop OK, but will that privacy consideration only flow towards the companies that you verify towards, and will the EU body still get all my data including what sites I visit that might be too "spicy" for children according to them? This platform has pornography, and I am very explicitly anti government here as well. How would you ensure I am safe from your systems registering me and if authoritarians grab power put me in a camp? Do you really want to risk giving a European Trump that power?
in reply to European Commission

You are not trying to protect children.


You are trying to control the internet, force everyone to provide identification.
Provide certified authenticated users to U.S. bigtech-companies for better targeted ads, crowd out marginalised and vulnerable groups and prime the internet as a mean of control for fascist.

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

a child's right to privacy is a pre-requisite of child safety.

you cannot protect children when you take away childrens' right to privacy.

your agenda destroys child privacy which means you are unambiguously against child safety.

you are making a wrong decision and you are making it knowingly. the people will never forget your actions or your names.

in reply to millennial fulcrum

if you really want to talk about protecting children then make it legal to hunt domestic abusers for sport.

if you want child safety then create a universal basic income that includes money for all children so they will have a financial safety net their entire life.

if you really want to protect children then force USA to expedite Trump and the rest of the Epstein list and hang them to death for their crimes against children.

we all know right from wrong.

in reply to European Commission

Age limits require age verification, and age verification means bureaucratically identifying everyone online. Everyone.

That's transparently incompatible with the goal and implementation of the GDPR, and will impose massive regulatory burden and risk on internet services, who'll have to handle PII they might never have otherwise had to handle.

And for what? So we'll all be fake USians when signing up for things, to avoid giving Peter Thiel our passports? Lose the GDPR entirely?

in reply to European Commission

The quote of @HennaVirkkunen below the linked article is starting with the right words:
"Children must be able to explore, learn and play online - safely. The Digital Services Act makes platforms responsible for ensuring children are safe online"

The solution for this would be to make the online world safe and to prohibit algorithms in anti-social media.
The solution for this is certainly not to block the children from the online world with age limits.

in reply to European Commission

Is this just an orphaned link campaign paired with some images, or will @EUCommission engage in commentary on their post? I think it would be wise to chat with the mastodon crowd. I feel alt-text is a pause on post feature, but I have surfaced to lazy descriptions in them. I have spent some time figuring out how to write alt text, and I have tried using generators to write them, still i will not be 100% satisfied. Here is an explainer i found kwbell.eu/mastonotes/alt-text-…
in reply to European Commission

I appreciate the answer, and the addition of image captions. I didn't (don't) mean to be personally offensive, I hope I wasn't.

As to your question: who would be "we", the EC or the person(s) behind this account?

To be frank, I don't know what a good microblogging account for a big institution should be like; must be difficult. But I see that you've started responding to some of the questions in this thread and that's better than usual, thanks! 1/3

in reply to jandi

Answering past questions would be a neat thing to do too, there are many similar threads, with lots of responses from the fediverse, and a feeling of a "one-way press releases" account. Take a look at past posts with many comments.

Also, it could be valuable if you tried to convey the better points raised here up the ladder, too, making the fediverse heard, and the whole thing more two-way. 2/3

in reply to European Commission

It's up to the parents.

Any attempt to regulate what children see on the Internet simply removes all privacy for all adults. Exposes them to exploitation by US Corporations and malicious governments. The verification people will sell the info and it will be kept.
It's not like sometimes younger adults having to show ID in a shop. That's not stored or transmitted and it's a minority of adults.

The idea of Child protection on the Internet rather than parental supervision is daft.

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

When people have to go through id/age verification for anything with USA big tech "solutions" and IT security weakened by black boxes and backdoors, it means everyone's online safety threatened, business crippled and democracy locked down. The responsibility of the EC in the #chatcontrol disaster is overwhelming.
This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

Personal Privacy is a key element of online life of free nations.
There is a fundamental problem with claiming to protect children, when undermining the rights of privacy of all individuals.
In Hungary, Orban makes big claims about how his policies are to protect children - then the abuse of children by officials in the ruling party reveal that the policies only had theoretical child safety, the real case was the opposite.
in reply to European Commission

Hopefully you set up Age related safe spaces instead of banning children from social media. Cutting children off that are under 16, just isolates them from gaming communities and branching out into hobbies their friends may not partake in.

Let them grow, don't prune them. Let them be a part of their sports clubs events and celebratory photos on socials.

in reply to European Commission

As a parent I have found that the best way to protect my kids is not to block everything that is bad, because that is an impossible task. Instead, I teach them to recognize bad behavior and intentionally choose to look for good behavior. I teach them that I am always open for questions and there is nothing they could do that would prevent me from helping them.
in reply to European Commission

and you are setting a bad one im afraid, this is so significant that it should go through a general election but then again where do these propositions arise from?
Even if a majority votes for it, the minority should;nt be subject to it. And the media landscape is vulnerable to coersion.
The only sensible option is to not force such overarching measures through a central location.
I you are scared of what the world will be if you let go of the reins, dont be, we have it covered.
in reply to European Commission

Protecting kids online is important. The way you want to do this does not ensure their safety and actaully put safety of others more in danger. Stop implementing the easy way out (forcing technical censorship) and start working on the right way to do this (education for parents and children on how to act online and what to do when something bad happens).
in reply to Morwud

Hello @morwud! At this stage, we are gathering information and assessing the issue. We include youth representatives alongside specialists from fields like health, computer science, child rights & digital literacy in our policymaking.
At this panel, participants discussed the responsibility of tech companies, as well as digital literacy for children, their parents and teachers.
You can get involved in our policies too! Check this space for debates that interest you: citizens.ec.europa.eu/index_en
in reply to European Commission

Back up. Before going all "Will somebody think of the children", let's mandate that digital corporations have no more leeway to harming ANYONE, adults included, than is allowed in the non-digital world.

With proper safety & privacy regulations on digital services half the child endangerment - if not more - disappears right away.

in reply to itsFriday

Hello @itsFriday! Your suggestion is a little bit extreme for us, we don’t really believe in excluding anyone based on their age. 😎
But we do believe in including young people in our policy process. That’s why, as just one example, we established the first ever presidential youth advisory board. Youth representatives from every EU country met with President Von der Leyen last year to discuss this very issue.
And that wasn’t just a one-time thing. Learn more here: commission.europa.eu/topics/yo…
in reply to itsFriday

Hello @itsFriday!
We are not proposing to exclude young people from the internet. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, from youth advocates to computer scientists, to weigh different options. The next panels will actually focus on the advantages for minors in accessing online spaces, and how to prevent risks and harms without losing these benefits.
We are all about a balanced approach, and listening to the voices of experts.
Unknown parent

mastodon - Link to source

European Commission

Hello @LookWhatTheCatDraggedIn! This panel was commissioned to forge a strong, realistic, European approach to keep our children safe in the digital age. In all of this work we will be guided by the need to empower parents and build a safer Europe for our children.

However, if you have concerns over privacy relating to age verification, you can learn more about the privacy-first age verification solution we are developing here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…

Unknown parent

mastodon - Link to source

European Commission

Hello @lexinova!
At this stage, we are meeting with experts and youth representatives to discuss the issue. Yesterday's discussions revolved around holding tech companies accountable & promoting digital literacy. While age verification may be a part of a future solution, we are developing and testing a privacy-first age verification method. It’s like this: the site you want to access will only receive the info if you are over 18 or not, nothing else.

More info here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…

in reply to European Commission

Age limits aren't a solution. First of all, if implemented in the "usual" way of politics, they'll just lead to deanonymisation and MASSIVE targeted ads and profile building.

Next, why not just take existing laws like GDPR, DSA, and whatever and force the major players to stop their current business model (which might lead to broken business models, and hey! - that's good, because all of their daily business is against the law*)

Next, will you this time think of open source and free stuff (as in e.g. mastodon), or will you AGAIN forget to add safe harbours for stuff like freifunk in Germany?

Commit to freedom and democracy, don't let big players help write laws where they actually benefit from.

* no matter if tiktok, xhitter, meta, openai, ...

in reply to European Commission

surveilance state, child abuse

Sensitive content

in reply to European Commission

Age verification is punishing the victim and only delaying the harm. The algorithms designed to exploit engagement are the problem.

Btw was this the same event, or something else: en.panoptykon.org/dsa-vs-reali…

CC @panoptykon

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

@EUCommission, I don't usually comment, but I can't remain silent any longer. You must stop your "safety" initiative. It's a crime against freedom and security, and it could potentially be used to violate young human's rights to freedom of information, communication, and so on.
I'm proud of the EU, its political decisions and values, but this changes everything. Such a decision is more like what the RF or any other dictatorship would do than what an egalitarian and democratic polity would do.
in reply to European Commission

The media in this post is not displayed to visitors. To view it, please go to the original post.

Children are exposed to undesirable content because lazy parents use the Internet as a babysitter. That will still happen under this law, because those same parents will just sign in for their kids rather than paying attention to them themselves.
So what is the actual point of this law? After all, no one actually believes this "think of the children" nonsense any more.
in reply to Jacob Urlich 🌍

@experimentmapass I've literally seen parents just dump a child in front of a smart TV with YouTube and leave while I was lodging as a student, and I've seen a parent give a child an iPad with Baldi's Basics (a well-known horror game) to distract them on the train. In both cases the parent created a situation that the child probably couldn't have got into alone, because it was easier than parenting them.
in reply to European Commission

@mullvadnet wrote this:
Mass surveillance and censorship are escalating in many countries right now. There is a global attack on secure encrypted communication. Often, authorities, politicians, and tech companies work together to push for new laws. One example: when Ashton Kutcher (yes, the actor), through his tech company Thorn, tried to introduce total surveillance of all EU citizens through undemocratic and corrupt methods.

mastodon.online/@mullvadnet/11…


Mass surveillance and censorship are escalating in many countries right now. There is a global attack on secure encrypted communication. Often, authorities, politicians, and tech companies work together to push for new laws. One example: when Ashton Kutcher (yes, the actor), through his tech company Thorn, tried to introduce total surveillance of all EU citizens through undemocratic and corrupt methods.

This entry was edited (1 month ago)
in reply to European Commission

The media in this post is not displayed to visitors. To view it, please go to the original post.

mastodon.social/@Tutanota/1162…


Hundreds of scientists say stop! ✋🚨

Governments should pause plans for mandatory #AgeChecks on online services until serious #privacy and #security concerns are addressed.

As countries push to ban children from social media, the risk to everyone’s privacy is growing. 🔐🌍

👉 Read more on #AgeVerification, why scientist say NO & whether your country wants it: tuta.com/blog/age-verification…


in reply to European Commission

OK, but it is not sufficient to declare child safety trumps all else.

- Child safety IS an indespensible essential that must be addressed to save abuses & death

- The right to privacy IS ALSO an indespensible essential to save abuses & death

You cannot and must not make achieving either ascendent over the other, but you MUST find solutions that maximize BOTH!

For example, privacy preserving age verification that works on-device to send an age verification token that varies each time it's used (like Aegis' 2FA code generator) but doesn't leak/reveal identity. Or, perhaps identity is revealed only below an age threshold, so no identity implies old enough - requiring one time visit to trusted party (police) with phone to calibrate and then use that as proof for other device use. I'm sure #eff will have some well thought out ideas around this.

Under an umbrella of 'online safety', Child protection advocates and privacy advocates must work together for an equitable solution.

#eff
in reply to Greg

Hi @gregalotl!
Thanks for sharing your views. Rest assured we are approaching this subject with the utmost care. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, whose role it is to advise us. Computer scientists, youth advocates, digital literacy experts, they all have a seat at the table.
Regarding your thoughts on privacy-preserving age verification, you may find that the solution you are describing here is quite similar to the solution we are developing.
Read more: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
@Greg
in reply to European Commission

Thanks for your (unexpected) response. I'll take look at your link.

On a slight tangential note. Is the EU working at pace to stop Google from implementing their gatekeeper role with developer verification. It's an overbearing, monopolistic play, in the guise of 'tightening security'. There are many alternatives that are less monopolistic. Perhaps EU could force Google to offer equivalent powers to EU nominated trusted app repositories, such as F-Droid & Obtanium & the alternate OS providers, Lineage & Graphene. That way, security would be preserved. The nominated entities could then maintain developer privacy & not charge (or just charge minor admin costs)