The way I see it is that AT/BlueSky has a lot of potential as a finished ecosystem, but it's far from completed and even if it's completed well it won't be as decentralized as the other big protocols. It's still got 25x the people as something like ActivityPub or Nostr though, so I'm coming at this from the perspective that I don't necessarily want to make BlueSky my home base of decentralized protocols, but interconnectivity still would let me communicate with anybody on the bigger platforms.
The same could be done right now with Lemmy and Reddit. But it would be a hack that's gonna be broken every time the site updates in a backward incompatible manner. Which will happen.
If the interoperability is not part of the core product, all you get is 3rd-party hacks.
Another protocol is infact not good. Standardization can often be a good thing actually. Imagine if every company sold things made with their own custom screw head.
I get what you're saying, and don't get me wrong I've experienced firsthand the jank of multiple interacting protocols (and differing implementations of the same one), but I think the single standardized protocol ship sailed when ActivityPub came around during OStatus's reign. A lot of software decided to support both (and many still do), and while I wasn't a part of the ecosystem then, I'm guessing users of both protocols benefited a lot from being interconnected instead of siloed.
We've currently got three big protocols - AT at tens of millions, ActivityPub and Nostr at millions - in addition to a half dozen smaller protocols with thousands of users. My personal take is that a continued ability to interact with almost everybody on all of them is a net positive rather than try to silo everybody and force a winner.
Especially because, unless Meta gets their federation act together, AT (BlueSky) is shaping up to be the big protocol. They've made some big strides towards decentralization in the last year or so, but even in a perfect implementation it'd still be fairly ce
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I get what you're saying, and don't get me wrong I've experienced firsthand the jank of multiple interacting protocols (and differing implementations of the same one), but I think the single standardized protocol ship sailed when ActivityPub came around during OStatus's reign. A lot of software decided to support both (and many still do), and while I wasn't a part of the ecosystem then, I'm guessing users of both protocols benefited a lot from being interconnected instead of siloed.
We've currently got three big protocols - AT at tens of millions, ActivityPub and Nostr at millions - in addition to a half dozen smaller protocols with thousands of users. My personal take is that a continued ability to interact with almost everybody on all of them is a net positive rather than try to silo everybody and force a winner.
Especially because, unless Meta gets their federation act together, AT (BlueSky) is shaping up to be the big protocol. They've made some big strides towards decentralization in the last year or so, but even in a perfect implementation it'd still be fairly centralized compared to the other big two.
For biggest protocol it's also important to consider the number of instances. In that regard Activitypub is far ahead of everything else (Bluesky only consists of a single instance).
I mean, sure. In theory. But I can't really interact with people between platforms very well. If someone and I are both bridged, and I boost something on mastodon, they're not gonna see it
I'm not actually even sure if I can reply to their bridged account from my mastodon account and have their bluesky account see my reply.
Its a jank and hacky workaround for the fact that bluesky wasn't designed for interoperability with the Fediverse. I love that accounts can be bridged! But like, that's not the same as literally any other inter-platform interaction within the Fediverse. Its a tack on half-solution.
I'm happy we have it, but it's not fair to act like it's the same thing, and I can understand why people would find it frustrating.
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If the interoperability is not part of the core product, all you get is 3rd-party hacks.
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in reply to Themadbeagle • •I get what you're saying, and don't get me wrong I've experienced firsthand the jank of multiple interacting protocols (and differing implementations of the same one), but I think the single standardized protocol ship sailed when ActivityPub came around during OStatus's reign. A lot of software decided to support both (and many still do), and while I wasn't a part of the ecosystem then, I'm guessing users of both protocols benefited a lot from being interconnected instead of siloed.
We've currently got three big protocols - AT at tens of millions, ActivityPub and Nostr at millions - in addition to a half dozen smaller protocols with thousands of users. My personal take is that a continued ability to interact with almost everybody on all of them is a net positive rather than try to silo everybody and force a winner.
Especially because, unless Meta gets their federation act together, AT (BlueSky) is shaping up to be the big protocol. They've made some big strides towards decentralization in the last year or so, but even in a perfect implementation it'd still be fairly ce
... Show more...I get what you're saying, and don't get me wrong I've experienced firsthand the jank of multiple interacting protocols (and differing implementations of the same one), but I think the single standardized protocol ship sailed when ActivityPub came around during OStatus's reign. A lot of software decided to support both (and many still do), and while I wasn't a part of the ecosystem then, I'm guessing users of both protocols benefited a lot from being interconnected instead of siloed.
We've currently got three big protocols - AT at tens of millions, ActivityPub and Nostr at millions - in addition to a half dozen smaller protocols with thousands of users. My personal take is that a continued ability to interact with almost everybody on all of them is a net positive rather than try to silo everybody and force a winner.
Especially because, unless Meta gets their federation act together, AT (BlueSky) is shaping up to be the big protocol. They've made some big strides towards decentralization in the last year or so, but even in a perfect implementation it'd still be fairly centralized compared to the other big two.
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in reply to Nate • • •I mean, sure. In theory. But I can't really interact with people between platforms very well. If someone and I are both bridged, and I boost something on mastodon, they're not gonna see it
I'm not actually even sure if I can reply to their bridged account from my mastodon account and have their bluesky account see my reply.
Its a jank and hacky workaround for the fact that bluesky wasn't designed for interoperability with the Fediverse. I love that accounts can be bridged! But like, that's not the same as literally any other inter-platform interaction within the Fediverse. Its a tack on half-solution.
I'm happy we have it, but it's not fair to act like it's the same thing, and I can understand why people would find it frustrating.
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