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Okay, some really bad news but also a suggestion for a way forward.

The Guppe groups domain name was sold by their registrar before they could renew it. This means all Guppe groups are broken, and their web addresses point to a spam blog ๐Ÿ˜ž

However, there is another group provider called FediGroups, you can find out more on their site:

โžก๏ธ about.fedigroups.social/home

FediGroups has features that Guppe never had, including private groups.

(More info about #Guppe situation: github.com/immers-space/guppe/โ€ฆ )

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Damn. I wondered why my groups stopped working suddenly. Thanks for breaking the news. I'll go check out fedigroups to see if I can recoup.
in reply to Fedi.Tips

๐Ÿ‘๏ธ @mirabilos und die anderen #GalgenMasto #GalgenFedi Leute: Wie kriegen wir das umgezogen?

social.growyourown.services/@Fโ€ฆ


Okay, some really bad news but also a suggestion for a way forward.

The Guppe groups domain name was sold by their registrar before they could renew it. This means all Guppe groups are broken, and their web addresses point to a spam blog ๐Ÿ˜ž

However, there is another group provider called FediGroups, you can find out more on their site:

โžก๏ธ about.fedigroups.social/home

FediGroups has features that Guppe never had, including private groups.

(More info about #Guppe situation: github.com/immers-space/guppe/โ€ฆ )


in reply to Fedi.Tips

We really need some alternative to renting domain names.

EDIT: I like the concept of petnames, but I'm sure there are other valid solutions: files.spritely.institute/paperโ€ฆ

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in reply to Nelson

Yes, something that isn't raw IPv6.
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in reply to Nelson

@skyfaller I own a lot of domains. I have no clue how the described thing would happen in practice? On a .de domain, it auto renews and someone else can't simply swoop in like that and "take" it from you?!
in reply to Claudius

@claudius @skyfaller

It seems that on some country-based domains people can indeed take it from you before it expires:

defcon.social/@anonax/11516684โ€ฆ

This is just ludicrous, difficult to see why these domains have such stupid rules.

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in reply to Claudius

it wouldnโ€™t work. itโ€™s a description of a made-up schema that proposes to deprecate DNS from a perspective of someone that interacts with domains only through a browser. I also donโ€™t see how that would scale up to the same size as DNS did.

this whole thing reads like a fanfic to me. all โ€œweโ€™d like thisโ€, no actual spec.

in reply to it's missing ๐ŸŽƒ --> 39c3

@domi This is pretty dismissive. The first co-author of that paper is the lead author of ActivityPub, which is a W3C standard and it drives the fediverse which we are currently using to communicate. That team is intimately familiar with what it takes to go from a proposal to a standard.
in reply to Nelson

respectfully, at the present, this proposal is purely UI and presentation. It doesnโ€™t touch on how any of this would be implemented, how the mapping between petname and IPv4/IPv6 would work.

I treat it as a red flag when a standard implies that it wants to replace DNS, but it doesnโ€™t actually say how or why. Also, in the context of this thread, thereโ€™s no way petnames could help with an expiring domain getting sniped. Every server on the fediverse would need to accept the same petname unanimously, which could lead to very weird discrepancies between servers. Or at least thatโ€™s how I understood the proposal.

in reply to it's missing ๐ŸŽƒ --> 39c3

@domi I'm not sure you read the proposal closely enough to understand it.

For starters, they're not discussing mapping to IPv4/6. They discuss mapping to DIDs and tor .onion addresses, right at the top of the page. These may have their problems, but it seems one of their top problems is usability, which petnames are intended to solve.

Every server does not need to use the same petname, that's an anti-goal. They must use the same DID or .onion, and everyone can use whatever petname they like.

in reply to Nelson

> I'm not sure you read the proposal closely enough to understand it

With respect, I don't think you did either. That Spritely paper is *not* about replacing DNS for the web. It's about how to replace DNS for an *account ID* in a decentralised network.

Instead of @skyfaller[AT]jawns.club being tied to jawns.club, it's a petname that maps to a portable DID. So you can move your account and the servers of people who follow you don't need to change anything.

@domi

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

@meganL This us very important @caregivers
I was just going to post solely for caregivers today and now Iโ€™m stopped. Iโ€™ll read about the workaround suggested. Thanks for bringing this up!
in reply to Fedi.Tips

Holy shit, that's scummy (the registrar, not the groups). While it still would've sucked if, say, they ended up trying to renew it too late (or payment didn't go through or whatever) ... the fact that their registrar sold it *while pretending that they had time*!
in reply to Fedi.Tips

That sucks. I had been planning to cancel my recurring contribution since I hadn't been using groups for some time, so I just went in and did that with a note as to why.
in reply to Fedi.Tips

Note to friends and followers of my posts and the Caregivers group. Because of this situation I encourage you to unfollow our group ( which is/was
@caregivers
and I will announce a new group if FediGroups.social approves it. See this please @constantorbit
#Caregivers
in reply to Fedi.Tips

So automatic payment and renewal isn't a thing over there?
in reply to Urban Camera

@uc each TLD has its own renewal policy

afaict, .pe domains are available for registration by anyone 10 days before the actual expiration date

in reply to Joyeuses Fesses ๐Ÿฅณ๐ŸŽ‰

@citronmecha @uc

"pe domains are available for registration by anyone 10 days before the actual expiration date"

That seems like a horrible, horrible policy? ๐Ÿ˜ฌ Surely that's just going to help domain squatters?

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@citronmecha @uc
It depends on how you word it.

If you flip it around and say you have 10 days to use your domain to notify your users after you lost "ownership" of it, it's suddenly better than it just being gone.

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Fedi.Tips

@punishmenthurts @Autistrain @adelinej

They boost your posts automatically so that your post reaches other people interested in the group's topic.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

@buffyleigh This seems extra weird because I have domains from multiple registrars and they all send several emails warning about upcoming deadlines, *and* there is a 30-day grace period after the expiration. Either this registrar had terrible practices, or the guppe person abandoned it and didnโ€™t admit it.
in reply to Moss Wizard

@Moss

The actual post about it mentions an "upstream registrar" doing this so I don't know if that has some effect?

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Fedi.Tips

@Moss

This is another possible explanation: rivals.space/@citronmecha/1151โ€ฆ


@uc each TLD has its own renewal policy

afaict, .pe domains are available for registration by anyone 10 days before the actual expiration date


in reply to Fedi.Tips

@yirggzmb IIRC I think you used guppe?
(See above post)
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in reply to Fedi.Tips

Shit. I can't understand how people don't enable auto renew, like...
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@mkj
i'm probably missing something, but why purge and not just suspend?
@mkj
in reply to Fedi.Tips

It's disappointing that FediGroups bans NSFW.

Are there any similar group providers that are more open to broader fediverse communities?

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RalfMaximus
@mkj
Can I, just a regular mastodon user, block an entire domain from my feed?
@mkj
in reply to Fedi.Tips

and Smithereen has groups... but they don't work with non-Smithereen servers because that's a sacrifice I had to make to keep the UX streamlined.
in reply to Fedi.Tips

How exactly was the domain name "sold by their registrar before they could renew it"?

Seems like an easy appeal to ICANN if it was registrar malfeasance vs. "oops I forgot to renew this critical identifier in time".

in reply to hrbrmstr ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

Mind you, I don't expect a reply or an answer that isn't โ€œYeah, they just forgot to renew it.โ€

If it is the latter, that's a big part of the reason the Fediverse is the way it is rn.

in reply to hrbrmstr ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

@hrbrmstr

Apparently these are ccTLDs which aren't covered by ICANN:

defcon.social/@anonax/11516684โ€ฆ

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Now that gup groups are dead and fedigroups appears to be the useful alternative, and work better to boot, should someone set up a blind group? Might get more reach than the hashtag for intra-blindness communication. E.G> asking other blind people about things in particular. I certainly don't want to be the admin of such a thing, I haven't the time.
in reply to Fedi.Tips

This domain stealing bullshit by #registrar has to stop.

Fuckers don't even pay the minimum price, I am sure as they domain squat on millions of domains, then declare them "premium" and try to sell them for $1000's

The #TLD system is corrupt.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

p.s. For those wondering how this can happen, the .pe domain which gup.pe used has a highly unusual clause which allows anyone to buy the domain 12 days *before* it expires:

"The .CH, .ES, .FR, .LI, .PE, .SG, .COM.SG, .COM.AU, .ORG.AU, .NET.AU TLDs must be renewed 12 days prior to the actual expiration date. If not renewed, the domain will enter the redemption stage right away regardless of the number of days left until expiration."

namecheap.com/support/knowledgโ€ฆ

(Thanks @anonax for info!)

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in reply to Fedi.Tips

@anonax

Holy fuck! That is the nastiest abuse of registrants I have heard in the 20 years since I registered the .com of Kiore, my then nickname, to get the email address I wanted. Luckily neither .com nor .nz which I do use are this grasping, but Switzerland, Spain, France, Liechtenstein, and Australia are all places I would expect to do better.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@anonax

That's just foul. That needs widespread anti-ads, warnings running often on Mastodon.

Mastodon may one of the biggest collections of new domains anywhere outside crime.

Mastofon needs a "worst of" warning system for bad actors like them.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

this looks like a fuckin scam. Like, yeah, you rented domain for a year, but actually no, I just stole it. Try buying it back and maybe I'll return it to you

@anonax

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@anonax thatโ€™s. a โ€œgoodโ€ way to improve payment morale
in reply to Fedi.Tips

Not sure if this falls under "enshittification" or something more sinister, but someone needs to publicize this bullshit policy more widely.

Pinging @pluralistic

in reply to Fedi.Tips

@anonax And THIS is why I advise against being โ€œedgyโ€ and using non-standard TLDs. For as garbage as Verisign is, they wonโ€™t allow anyone to sell your domain out from under you unless itโ€™s expiredโ€ฆ
in reply to Fedi.Tips

@anonax I believe you are wrong about at least .ch and .li ccTLDs.

mastodon.social/@nikclayton/11โ€ฆ

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@Curator โฌ†๏ธ how do you think about this? Is this something you want to do? (Iโ€™ve no firm idea)

@mkj

in reply to RalfMaximus

If you're looking at someone's profile and click the three dots as if you were going to block them, it will also give you the option to mute the server they are on. Not sure if there's a more direct way to do it.

@ralfmaximus @mkj @FediTips

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luce
@mkj
@Barmaid just a heads up in case you havenโ€™t seen it
in reply to Fedi.Tips

the .pe TLD is really surprising in this regard. it got me too, i used to own pix.pe and pup.pe and lost them in exactly this way :(
in reply to Fedi.Tips

What was the registrar they've been using?

So that other would know which company to avoid :blobcatthink:

in reply to Aaron

@hosford42 @gytisrepecka

This is apparently not a registrar problem but a ccTLD problem, anyone using these ccTLDs is at risk of them being bought up to 12 days before expiration:

defcon.social/@anonax/11516684โ€ฆ

in reply to Fedi.Tips

๐Ÿ‘€ @dentaku - did you see this โฌ†๏ธ?

Also this answer might be relevant (you will know if it really makes sense)
social.mkj.earth/@mkj/11516444โ€ฆ


If you are a #MastoAdmin #FediAdmin, you may want to purge a.gup.pe from your server.

In Mastodon, go into admin > Moderation > Federation > Add new domain block. Create one for the domain name "gup.pe" (subdomains are included) with "suspend" severity. Once added, go into the details for the newly added block and you'll find the "Purge" button right at the bottom of the page.

โš ๏ธ โš ๏ธ Once the domain is purged, the list of severed follows will no longer be available to local users. โš ๏ธ โš ๏ธ

@FediTips


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Fedi.Tips

@regendans

Yeah, I'm just about to rewrite that!

in reply to Fedi.Tips

This is not the first time I've seen troubles starting with country-specific top level domains, if you want stability you should very much avoid the vast majority of these no matter how snappy it sounds on your desired domain (unless you're actually part of the given country i mean)
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Fedi.Tips

No, because hashtags don't actively push content to other servers.

When you follow a hashtag, it's basically a filter for whatever is on your server anyway. If your server hasn't noticed a particular account yet, it won't notice that account's posts on that hashtag.

When you follow a group, it actively pulls in all posts from anyone on any server that posts to that group.

Groups are basically "super hashtags" in a way ๐Ÿ™‚

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Fedi.Tips

@NatureMC

To be fair, the maintainer has said they will cancel subs and issue refunds: github.com/immers-space/guppe/โ€ฆ

in reply to Fedi.Tips

Thats because someone asked them to do it. But a lot more people want them to continue but under a different domain.

Fedigroups sounds like a censorship networks rather than a group feature.

> Groups are expected to conform with standard levels of decency and respect. We will not setup, and/or may remove Groups in the future, which are setup to distribute: hate speech; discrimination; spam; promotion of violence; adult NSFW content; impersonation of people/organizations.

in reply to Fedi.Tips

This sucks! So sorry to hear that, the Guppe Groups were a big influence when we first joined the Fediverse. Feel free to reach out if there is anything we can do to help - we also have a feed builder with similar functionality to FediGroups, so perhaps there's some space for us to work together?

home.channel.org/channels

in reply to Rina

@Rinakochi

They were federated with Mastodon, there were problems federating with some other Fedi platforms though.

FediGroups is better for compatibility with other Fedi platforms.

@Rina
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Stรฉphane Bortzmeyer

@anonax @citronmecha @uc I don't know for .pe but the article you mention is completely false and misleading for .fr (and probably for others).

#factChecking #doNotBelieveEverythingYouReadOnline

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Stรฉphane Bortzmeyer

@anonax @citronmecha @uc I did so mastodon.gougere.fr/@bortzmeyeโ€ฆ

(Namecheap, credible, is the best joke of the day.)


@CraigStuntz Of course, at least for .FR, this information is fake news. You can check by yourself on the registry's Web site:
afnic.fr/en/domain-names-and-sโ€ฆ

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Stรฉphane Bortzmeyer
@anonax @citronmecha @uc Now, from a *practical* point of view, someone who has not renewed 12 days before the expiration date is imprudent. (You can wait the last minute but I would not recommend it. Think of a problem with your bank preventing the payment, for instance.)
in reply to Fedi.Tips

your reply can be a new post to all your followers - I didnโ€™t know that about hashtags either. ๐Ÿ––
in reply to Peter Link ๐Ÿ‰๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿง

They are really, really busy as they're suddenly getting way more people contacting them than before:

fedigroups.social/@hello/11517โ€ฆ

It's an unpaid volunteer running it and manually checking each application, I think we just need to give them some time to catch up ๐Ÿ™‚

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Stรฉphane Bortzmeyer
@anonax @citronmecha @uc Hmmm, and I forgot one point: Namecheap talks about .fr and several others but, unlike what you say, they are NOT a registrar (major or not). For .fr, they are just a reseller of 1API. It may be the same for other TLD they mention without knowing.
(I've found on their Web site many more errors about .fr, so may be also about .pe.)
in reply to Fedi.Tips

@Curator

I made a FediGroup for artists! Enjoy and feel free to boost! :dragon_heart:

@drawingfedigroups.social

It's a shame, but FediGroups don't allow NSFW artworks :dragon_melt:

in reply to Eddie ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ (RESIST)

At a technical level perhaps, but in practice they're running a website at ovo.st which is so barebones that it looks like it is some kind of casual experiment that might shut down at any moment.

If they could build up their website with some info about what they do etc that would be more reassuring about their long term future.

Gup.pe shutting down suddenly was a big shock, it wouldn't help if a replacement shut down unexpectedly too.

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Fedi.Tips

@sam

I think Fedibuzz Relays are mainly meant for server admins rather than something ordinary users follow?

I've covered it in the guide at fedi.tips/using-relays-to-quicโ€ฆ

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I recently found relay.fedi.buzz/ #fedibuzz

You can follow an "account" like relay.fedi.buzz/tag/sillyGroupโ€ฆ and then it will boost posts with that hashtag so that you can see them in your timeline.

CC: @FediTips@social.growyourown.services

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