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And the fact that I’m not sure tells the whole story. So sad!

Trump's media org stole Mastodon's software code in order to build their own centralised platform.

I wouldn't personally count them as part of Mastodon.

Hell no, I don't do that shit. I just wanted to tell you the reaction this whole thing was causing. The fact that you thought that I, someone with the responsibility of administrating an instance, would defederate over something like this like a petty child, is something I find personally insulting.

I see this conversation as merely the result of someone misinformed, now informed. Nothing more than that, you just didn't know that ATProto and AP were actually natively possible together. All I wanted now was to make you aware of what your talking with absolutes about this was causing

Precisely. I saw a number of their moderators dismissing and gas lighting the concerns of LGBTQ people in my feed

I don't see that on Bluesky. In fact when there is a trans /homophobic user there, they are dealt with swiftly by the community. Here there are often crickets, or when marginalized groups bring up concerns there is much defensiveness.

@alchemistsstudio @daemon_nova @alexia

"I don't see that on Bluesky. In fact when there is a trans /homophobic user there, they are dealt with swiftly by the community. "

Vance's first post is all about eroding trans rights, and Bluesky are sending emails to Fox News telling him how welcome he is.

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@ainmosni Also derpy fact..

The front end on Trump's platform is made by the dev from Soapbox, who's also a first class racist a-hole!

The type of person who does anything for money

@ainmosni For him it's not.. more like "glory"

If im right, he originally came from Gab to the fedi i believe so that says a lot

p.p.s. No, Vance wasn't banned by Bluesky. That's why I included the link in the original post so you can see he isn't banned.

Bluesky had blocked the account briefly because they thought it was fake, but when they found out it was real they unblocked it, verified it and sent an email to Fox News saying that Vance was welcome on Bluesky.

I can assure you I'm not. I am terrified about what is going on.

I don't care what protocol is used as long as it makes federation accessible and controllable by anyone including very-low-cost grassroots instances that can communicate without relays.

Bsky offers better tools to users than fedi.

I say this as a fedi developer

I was talking to a close friend about the Fediverse a while ago. Her main reason to sticking to Meta platforms was mostly that she doesn't use social media for fun, but primarily for marketing. She's a singer, like me, and it's just sort of expected of you to use these things, because that's where your audience is.

But she also said that she's wary of dividing the world into different echo-chambers when using a platform that's more popular with left-wing users. Made me think of this.

@McWabbit

You've literally responded to nothing I've brought up.

Jd Vance is blocked by 30% of the users on Bluesky. He has no power there. On the fediverse there is a moderator on a bigger server who has blocked lgbtq/trans related hashtags and quotes a homophobe in their profile.

If you are trying to protect people from fascism, and hopefully homophobia I hope you are calling out fosstodon too. I didn't stumble on jd Vance on BS, but stumbled on them dismissing LGBTQ people here

@alchemistsstudio

"Jd Vance is blocked by 30% of the users on Bluesky. He has no power there."

Having 70% of a platform to talk to is a tremendous amount of power. Even if it was only 10% that would still be millions of people to potentially radicalise.

It's the people who don't block him but listen to him that are the problem. He isn't speaking in good faith, he's trying to deceive people into doing bad things.

⏫ often I say that fascism is the presence of unforgivable sins

Theologically there are four and a half vibes and one act that are unforgivable, according to Thomas Aquinas

One as a human tends to be unforgivable by feeling a certain way, the only thing that one can do to be unforgivable is to lie

These things will snowball on each other But engaging in any of the behavior is fascist adjacent

It's not easy to do, but actively vetting damaging information about people IMO is best

@ainmosni

I've edited my reply 👍

Yeah... .I tried Blusky because someone told me "It's just like old Twitter"...

And after a day or two I remembered... I hated old Twitter too...

I keep being proven more right.

I have tried to register with Bluesky today but seem to be blocked because they cannot get an e-mail to my e-mail account.

Maybe that is not such a bad thing.

@daemon_nova @alexia

I guess you care more about making a point then addressing valid concerns about trans/homophobia here on the Fediverse.

I find that sad.

JD Vance is not a moderator on Bluesky.

And believe me, the fediverse often platforms racism, transphobia, misogyny and homophobia. Here it can only be dealt with after the fact. On Bluesky its mostly dealt with proactively.

Moderation on BS is actually more decentralized than in the Fediverse - block lists managed by the community are a better tool than Fediverse instance admins being in command, especially since you can't yet switch fedi instances without changing identity.

How would that be different if Vance was setting up its own Fedi instance?

@ainmosni

Fair enough! 😀

@claudegohier

That's not enough, he has to be deplatformed because not everyone will block him:

social.growyourown.services/@F…

Fedi.Tips

2025-06-19 13:27:00

p.s. It isn't enough to say that individuals can just block stuff they don't like.

Fascists don't care about people who block them, they only care about those who don't block them.

Fascists use platforms to try to radicalise anyone who will listen. Fascists spread hateful lies about vulnerable minorities, and if someone believes those lies they may follow the fascist and spread lies too.

I've tried to explain this in a way that hopefully anyone can relate to:

social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…

FediThing 🏳️‍🌈 (@FediThing@chinwag.org)

Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you.

^{Chinwag Social}

@samvarma

Exactly.

@dideldum @t_robinart @McWabbit

"And there they are reachable for other opinions and ideas, which have no voice at Twitter. "

No, it doesn't work like that.

When you give fascists a broader audience, you simply get more fascists.

All you do is normalise fascism in mainstream discourse, and people who would have previously stayed away from it suddenly think it's okay to do fascist things.

The only effective response to fascism is to make its audience and reach as small as possible.

@ozzelot
What's your predicted time on Couchfucker not being banned for disgusting posts?

@FediTips @mastodonmigration

@the_wiz

Here's a thought experiment:

Someone with millions of followers is telling people that you (not your group but you personally) are a murderer and rapist and all kinds of other untrue stuff.

People believe him, his speeches get carried on TV, on radio, and newspapers give him an easy time without questioning his allegations too much.

What would you do? Would you want even more people to hear his allegations about you? Would you want his audience to be even bigger?

No, here I have to disagree hard: I don't want the crazy hateful, fascist and / or simply cookoo voices to disappear. I want the tankie nutjob, the fascist white power lunatic and the vatnik idiot to be able to scream his or her vile bullshit into the void of the net. Because this is the freedom the net gives us.

Fascism and oppression has to be fought with dialogue, through teaching people and sometimes with fists and steel... but never through censorship and silencing of ideas.

@the_wiz

"Fascism and oppression has to be fought with dialogue, ... never through censorship and silencing of ideas."

I'm sorry but that's a load of crap.

When the Nazis were defeated, their party was banned and their symbols were made illegal. Those who voted for them were made to march through death camps and look at the corpses to see the consequences of their votes.

Dialogue with fascists is like dialogue with rapists or murderers, it normalises stuff that should not be normalised.

@gabboman
Hi, question. If a user on your instance who is opted-in to Bluesky integration boosts a post from someone on another fedi instance, is the boost ingested by Bluesky?

@GroupNebula563 @FediTips @alexia

I know, I know. But we can have a chuckle each time the algorithm would be smarter ^_^J

@ozzelot @FediTips

Defederation also creates echo chambers. I'd much rather prefer that admins proactively ban spam, disinformation, and other rulebreakers.

I doubt Vance will change people's minds on BlueSky. I'd say the opposite: if we never engage in discussions, they will keep winning elections.

I don't like being in an information bubble, myself. But I recall a quote about #Nazis and #Fascism (I do not recall where I heard it):

"The only thing that a tolerant society must not tolerate is #intolerance ."

There are a few things that should never be allowed a forum for discussion, because the uneducated and bigots do not debate; they merely jump straight to hate. Along the way, they pull others into their darkness.

It's not easy to walk the fine line between #FreeSpeech and justifiable #censorship , but we must be constantly straddling that line and holding onto it firmly.

We do not give pornography to children or spread it on social media. Nor should we give that same social media space to Nazis and hate.

#LyndaCarter #WonderWoman #1970sTV #CarolynJones #TheFeminumMystique #QueenHippolyta #BlueSky #JayGraber

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