Been working on a new project the last couple of months and it's finally ready for beta release!
#Fedimeister is a #Java based #Mastodon client (available for #Linux, #Windows and #MacOS under the Apache #opensource license) with a focus on #writing and #journalism. Features:
* Break long texts into threads
* Scheduled posting
* Hashtag research
* #Twitter quote tweeting emulation
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in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •what is ‘hashtag research’?
As I’m teaching fam about migration from walled-gardens, I say ‘find good stuff by saved #hashtag searches’. But doing this is not obvious or easy in the apps I use.
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to D2 • • •@cascheranno
I'm afraid, it is the other way around here: so far, the tools are not meant for discovering content, but helping you to make your content more discoverable.
D2
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •does it help you curate tags so you consistently / easily add appropriate tags? Like, let me click a few from my usual-tag cloud? Could be snazzy.
The edit-long-toots example you screenshotted looks killer, btw.
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to D2 • • •@cascheranno
Curating tags sounds like an excellent idea to implement! Will have to give it some thought.
And thanks for the Kudos :). That thread feature was also killer to implement 😂 . I have two example threads made with it in my timeline:
home.social/@raccoon/110141189…
home.social/@raccoon/110126394…
Patrick, the Linux guy
2023-04-04 15:12:52
Jill Minor
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jill Minor • • •@jillrhudy
If you have Java already installed, you can also just download the "Linux version". The Windows version is really just an .exe wrapper around that.
Jill Minor
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jill Minor • • •@jillrhudy
I will have to work a bit on those installers 😅 .
Let me know how the composer works for you. I'm interested in improving its usability/documentation.
Jill Minor
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Jill Minor
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in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Szymon N.
in reply to Jill Minor • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jill Minor • • •@jillrhudy
Yeah, I will have to give that some thought. For now:
When you toggle the radiobutton, Fedimeister will insert the current time as UTC with an offset to your local time (in your case: UTC - 4 hours). Instead of changing the String directly, use the spinners below to add days, hours or minutes.
Michael Mrak
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Michael Mrak • • •@MichaelMrak
Security risk? Does the JRE on Mac still install that idiotic browser plugin?
Jill Minor
in reply to Michael Mrak • • •OSINTUnleashed
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •David Fleetwood - RG Admin
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in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •samuel
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to samuel • • •@samuel
SCM is coming soon. I don't want to host on Github, so I'm currently evaluating my options.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •@Patrick, the Linux guy #Github is not the only git-based source code repository hoster out there, in case that's what you've believed until discovering this post.
Two other alternatives which are not owned and ruled over by #GAFAM or any other Silicon Valley megacorp would be:
#Codeberg (codeberg.org)
#NotABug (
Gogs: https://notabug.org
Gogs is a painless self-hosted Git service.
NotABug.org: Free code hosting
GogsPatrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
I am aware. To be more precise: I'm fed up with hosted solutions and would prefer to self host in order to avoid getting screwed over in the long run.
Just have to work out some technicalities first.
samuel
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to samuel • • •@samuel
I'll likely just self host the bare repository without all of the usual bloat. Currently writing a blog post about it.
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
in reply to samuel • • •Forgejo – Beyond coding. We forge.
forgejo.orgPatrick, the Linux guy
in reply to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) • • •@smallcircles
I'm currently looking at just hosting a bare repo over HTTPS. I'm not at all keen on running the bloatware, people typically thing is necessary for publishing source code.
smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •An Agora
in reply to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) • • •anagora.org/Codeberg
Node [[codeberg]] in anagora.org
anagora.orgsamuel
in reply to smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊) • • •smallcircles (Humanity Now 🕊)
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Congratulations on the launch. Once you have the source available would be great to add to delightful.club/delightful-fed…
@samuel
delightful fediverse clients
delightful.clubbgt lover
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •AskPippa🇨🇦
in reply to bgt lover • • •bgt lover
in reply to AskPippa🇨🇦 • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover
On the other hand, there are also people who will cowardly delete their own posts, claiming they never made them, which is super annoying in discussions and a personal problem, I run in occasionally: Having to waste some of my characters to make clear, which part of a post I'm replying to
(the quote feature also supports text highlighting).
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Yep!
sally_maria (she/her)
in reply to bgt lover • • •In my part of Twitter we used the quote function to put a retweet in context - to explain why we were sharing it. (Yes, it could be to criticise it, but not usually.) One of the joys of Twitter was being part of different communities, but then if you shared something you wanted to explain.
Szymon N.
in reply to sally_maria (she/her) • • •AskPippa🇨🇦
in reply to sally_maria (she/her) • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to AskPippa🇨🇦 • • •As well.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to sally_maria (she/her) • • •Exactly 💯!
Jeffrey J. Dean
in reply to sally_maria (she/her) • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to bgt lover • • •While this negative use is possible, to use it to quote interesting pieces of, say a post or an article, and then add your two cents is how I have been using it for years (with just one complaint, where mine asking permission got there too late).
I was on the #BorgSite (then #BirdSite) for years and had a pretty clear-cut political position.
Quoting was never an issue.
estelle4565
in reply to AskPippa🇨🇦 • • •@AskPippa
To make such a poll you would need to somehow make sure it reaches everyone who uses Mastodon. That is (I think) a difficult task.
Honestly I have seen more or less equal amounts for and against QT, so it is likely the split is 50% - 50%. .
@bgtlover @raccoon @fediversenews @fediverse
estelle4565
in reply to estelle4565 • • •@AskPippa
And then there are those like me who do not feel strongly about it either way, but prefer to support what the communities that are marginalised and feel threatened want, because they are at a disadvantage.
Do not harm and all that.
@bgtlover @raccoon @fediversenews @fediverse
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to AskPippa🇨🇦 • • •@AskPippa @bgtlover
Me, too!
I hate having to scroll back to see what my contacts were talking about when commenting.
Why be on SM if you don't want interaction?
If you want it only for some, you can limit it to your followers.
And then, there is always #mute or #block as a last resort (spart from report).
I just had a discussion with LBTQIA+ admins and they DO want discoverability (search)...
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover
I fully understand the concern about Quote Tweeting and personally, I don't like them either.
The way I implemented this is by rendering the post in question as a static image that can be attached as media+image description. So it is actually just a more convenient and cleaner way of screenshotting a post, which is something, people can already do.
Let me know if there are issues with screenreaders and I'll try to address them.
Simon Lucy
in reply to bgt lover • • •Posts are not private. This might surprise people but this is true.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Simon Lucy • • •@Simon Lucy I can make my posts actually private. No, really. Yes, I can.
But I'm not on Mastodon.
@bgtlover @Patrick, the Linux guy @Fediverse @Fediverse News
bgt lover
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •jakob 🇦🇹 ✅
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover
Matrix is federated communication-Software with it's own protocol... It's a messenger.
The fediverse has an own protocol. Called ActivityPub.
And there is a plethiora of services, which understand this protocol.
Just have a look... this is stunning, how big the world beside mastodon is...
fediverse.party/
fediverse.info/
fediverse.observer/
@Jupiter Rowland
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in reply to jakob 🇦🇹 ✅ • •Fediverse News reshared this.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover So I take it the #Fediverse equalled #Mastodon for you as well until about half an hour ago?
Okay, allow me to explain. I'm on #Hubzilla (official website), a "social content management system" established in 2012, forked from #Friendica which in turn is a Facebook-like social network project established in 2010, six years before Mastodon. Both can connect to Mastodon and other Fediverse.
Here are a few more non-Mastodon Fediverse projects which nonetheless connect to Mastodon:
Here is a somewhat limited list, here is a still somewhat limited wiki, here is a very long list.
fediverse.info
fediverse.infojakob 🇦🇹 ✅
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@Jupiter Rowland
This message, i write now, is created on #Friendica. You can read it on your mastodon as well.
@bgtlover
bgt lover
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •bgt lover
in reply to bgt lover • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to bgt lover • • •bgt lover
in reply to Simon Lucy • • •Simon Lucy
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover
Addressed to you?
They have public URLs, if they're boosted then whoever follows the booster can see it, whoever scans the instance local feed it was originally posted on can see it.
This is not email, those that use email as an analogy confuse people because of that.
If it's directed, confined to just those mentioned then it isn't published in the same way but that's fragile and a small case.
volkris
in reply to bgt lover • • •@bgtlover
I mean, that’s fine. Mastodon is free to hobble its users and keep this tool for communication away from them, even as the rest of us move forward and embrace more empowering interfaces that have it.
@raccoon @fediversenews @fediverse
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in reply to volkris • • •Michael Mrak
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •ᗰᗩᖇǤᗴ against Putin #NAFO
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •nlb (admin)
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to nlb (admin) • • •@nlb
The source code is not yet published. I'm looking into options for avoiding hosted solutions at the moment.
jakob 🇦🇹 ✅
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •@Patrick, the Linux guy @Noam of hed.im
#Forgejo is for selfhosting.
forgejo.org/
Freakinbox
Unknown parent • • •Freakinbox
Unknown parent • • •@gaycookie "Comes on" as in out of the box.
You can buy many devices not made by Microsoft that come with Windows preinstalled, this is not the case with MacOS.
Piff 123
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Freakinbox
Unknown parent • • •@gaycookie Then why not have every main distro of Linux listed?
I offered you a possible reason and you seem more concerned with avoiding admitting that you misread what I said and focused more on arguing instead...
"And since it is STILL developed by Apple. And if you name "Microsoft", why not mention "Apple" xD" - See my original toot reply to you for a possible reason why :)
Even Wikipedia seems to name them as such
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsof…
family of computer operating systems developed by Microsoft
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)MrClon
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •> Break long texts into threads
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
@raccoon
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to MrClon • • •@MrClon
Pffft! What are you going to do, when you need to post a 100405 character essay, huh, huh, huh😜 ?
MrClon
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Helge
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Freakinbox
in reply to Freakinbox • • •@gaycookie whereas it's Mac Operating systems regarding Mac OS
It's an OS for a Macintosh, now just called a "Mac" 🤷
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_oper…
family of operating systems for Macintosh computers
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Patrick, the Linux guy
Unknown parent • • •@gaycookie
I could be mistaken, but I think, those are the actual trademark names.
Marquis Kurt :xcode:
Unknown parent • • •D2
Unknown parent • • •@gaycookie after reading the semantic debate you’re pursuing, here’s my TL;dr: ya’ll are weird. English is weird. Apparently these two flavors of weird are mutually-incompatible.
Take care.
Marquis Kurt :xcode:
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Freakinbox
in reply to Marquis Kurt :xcode: • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Marquis Kurt :xcode: • • •@marquiskurt @gaycookie @freakinbox
I think, they had to actually name it "MICROSOFT Windows" because either "Windows" was too generic to be trademarked or to similar to the Unix X-Window, which was a marketing no-no.
Marquis Kurt :xcode:
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Unknown parent • • •@Cassandra
If you have java already installed on your system (you can get it from java.com ), just download the Linux version. The Windows version is just an .EXE wrapper around that.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
OpenJDK is fine.
Samuel Proulx
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Samuel Proulx • • •@fastfinge
Quote tweets are emulated by rendering a post as a static image that can be attached as media (plus original post as image description). This is basically a streamlined version of screenshotting a post, something, people always had the option of doing.
Removing this feature would do nothing to prevent malice, but kill legitimate use cases. One of them being being able to highlight the portion of a post, you are replying to.
Samuel Proulx
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Samuel Proulx • • •@fastfinge
There is! And this reply is actually an example for it.
As a visually impaired user, you will probably not be able to (fully) see it, but the rendered post in the attached image has the first sentence "There is not legitimate use for quoting a post" highlighted. Thus telling you exactly what I am replying to.
Samuel Proulx
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Samuel Proulx • • •@fastfinge What if I told you that just about the whole Fediverse supports quotes, only Mastodon doesn't?
What if I told you that #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse? What if I told you that I myself am not on Mastodon, although this post of mine has appeared on your timeline?
What if I told you that, in fact, the Fediverse has been around for much longer than Mastodon?
What if I told you that it started in 2008 with something called Laconi.ca, now known as #GNUsocial (
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
Okay, G
... show more@fastfinge What if I told you that just about the whole Fediverse supports quotes, only Mastodon doesn't?
What if I told you that #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse? What if I told you that I myself am not on Mastodon, although this post of mine has appeared on your timeline?
What if I told you that, in fact, the Fediverse has been around for much longer than Mastodon?
What if I told you that it started in 2008 with something called Laconi.ca, now known as #GNUsocial (
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_social (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
Okay, GNU social doesn't really count as part of today's Fediverse because it doesn't support #ActivityPub. And okay, it wasn't called the Fediverse back then but the #FederatedSocialWeb. But still, the whole concept isn't new. It was not invented by Eugen Rochko.
Still, even today's Fediverse is more than Mastodon and older than Mastodon. And just about everything that isn't Mastodon supports quotes while still being fully federated with Mastodon.
But let me elaborate (warning, this post is over 12 times as long as a toot can possibly be):
#Friendica (
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica (Contributors to Wikimedia projects)
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Special:MyLanguage/What_is_Friendica%3F
From the very beginning, it had many features which Mastodon users keep demanding today. Including quotes. Again, when Mastodon was launched, Friendica had had these features in daily productive use for six years already.
And yet, people don't use quotes to harass others by "stealing" discussions. This is technically impossible on Friendica due to its architecture which is more like Facebook or a blog or a forum and less like Twitter or Mastodon. Threads aren't stand-alone posts floating around the timelines, loosely tied together by increasing numbers of mentions. Instead, they're start-post-and-comments structures. Replies aren't stand-alone posts. Replies are comments firmly tied to one start post by Friendica's internal structure.
Oh, and Friendica doesn't run on ActivityPub. It has its own internal protocol, #DFRN. Still, Friendica quickly created an ActivityPub connector and federated with Mastodon, thus becoming part of the Fediverse. Friendica federates with a whole lot of projects and platforms. In fact, there is a growing number of forums mostly frequented by Mastodon users which run on Friendica, such as FediverseNews.
I myself am on #Hubzilla (#^hubzilla.org,
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Special:MyLanguage/What_is_Hubzilla%3F
And Hubzilla still has almost all the features Friendica has with a whole lot more on top. Again, including quotes. Again, yes, before Mastodon refused to have them. And again, yes, without anyone misusing them for harassment.
And again, it's part of the Fediverse and federated with Mastodon. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to read this.
I should also mention that both Friendica and Hubzilla have technical barriers in the way of publicly quoting private or restricted posts, at least with references/a connection to the quoted post. Hubzilla in particular has access rights control on a level you couldn't possibly imagine in your wildest dreams.
And just about everything else in the Fediverse that's microblogging or macroblogging has official, built-in quote support.
https://pleroma.social/
https://akkoma.social/
Join an Akkoma instance today to start expressing yourself alongside a community of like-minded people.
Misskey Hub: https://misskey-hub.net/en/
This is the official site for Misskey, a decentralized social networking software. Find out how to get started, a list of servers, and lots more information about Misskey!
Codeberg.org: https://calckey.cloud/
MOVED REPO: https://firefish.dev/firefish/firefish
https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Calckey%3F
Akkoma Development: https://akkoma.dev/FoundKeyGang/FoundKey
FoundKey microblogging server.
https://docs.gotosocial.org/
None
https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_GoToSocial%3F
Socialhome: https://socialhome.network/
Profile of Socialhome HQ.
Yes, they're all federated with Mastodon. This means that users of any of these projects, including Friendica and Hubzilla, can read Mastodon posts and quote them in their replies, and these replies, in turn, can be read on Mastodon.
Okay, so the Fediverse has two, three, four... ten projects, and all but Mastodon support quotes, and nowhere are there people demanding the feature be removed due to rampant harassment?
No, these are only the microblogging and macroblogging projects, and only those of the macroblogging projects that aren't primarily for long-form blogging, i.e. that aren't mimicking Medium, that aren't mimicking WordPress, that aren't #Wordpress itself. Yes, there are WordPress blogs in the Fediverse, federated with Mastodon.
In fact, the Fediverse is even much, much bigger than that (
https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/
Let's make social media free, federated and fun! Fediverse.Party is your guide into the world of decentralized, autonomous networks running on free open software on a myriad of servers across the world. No ads and no algorithms.
https://the-federation.info/
Node list and statistics for The Federation and Fediverse
Now go block me for harassing you, for being an ableist swine because I treat blind people equally instead of mollycoddling them wherever possibly, even for being a fascist or just for shattering your worldview into itty bitty pieces. This post of mine stands.
CC @Patrick, the Linux guy so that you know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon, too
Also CC @Ada @James
Akkoma - Magically Expressive Social Media
akkoma.socialPatrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
I am aware that the Fediverse is bigger than Mastodon ;). I intent to eventually add features that go beyond it, but hey, you have to start somewhere...
Ivan Maljukanović 🏳️🌈
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland @jdasher
Why are you so angry on #Mastodon?
The beauty of #fediverse is the possibility to use any and every platform, even the one that lacks some features, but is the most popular of the bunch.
We should promote all of the fediverse options, but shouldn't be negative to those who have different preferences than our own.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Ivan Maljukanović 🏳️🌈 • • •@Ivan Maljukanović 🏳️🌈 @James This isn't about Mastodon itself.
It's about those people who joined in November, took a while to get used, then found Mastodon quite cosy - and spent all the time from November to at least March "knowing" that the Fediverse is Mastodon, only Mastodon and nothing but Mastodon. That "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" can be used synonymously.
And since they love Mastodon so much, they don't want it to change. Which means they don't want "the Fediverse" to change. They don't want "quote-tweets" in "the Fediverse". Nowhere. Under no circumstances.
Sure, they may have their reasons.
But not wanting "quote-tweets" anywhere in the Fediverse, as they word it, means that they don't want any other Fediverse platforms to have quotes.
Then someone tells them that the
... show more@Ivan Maljukanović 🏳️🌈 @James This isn't about Mastodon itself.
It's about those people who joined in November, took a while to get used, then found Mastodon quite cosy - and spent all the time from November to at least March "knowing" that the Fediverse is Mastodon, only Mastodon and nothing but Mastodon. That "Mastodon" and "Fediverse" can be used synonymously.
And since they love Mastodon so much, they don't want it to change. Which means they don't want "the Fediverse" to change. They don't want "quote-tweets" in "the Fediverse". Nowhere. Under no circumstances.
Sure, they may have their reasons.
But not wanting "quote-tweets" anywhere in the Fediverse, as they word it, means that they don't want any other Fediverse platforms to have quotes.
Then someone tells them that the Fediverse is, in fact, not only Mastodon. There are also all the other projects I've mentioned. And all of them have quotes. And all of them can communicate with Mastodon. People on all these projects can quote Mastodon toots in such ways that Mastodon users can read these quotes.
I guess this triggers some of these people to unexpectable reactions, including but not limited to total denial that there's other stuff than Mastodon in the Fediverse that can quote, along with pressing their hands on their ears and going, "LA LA LA I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS!"
This is also why there are many who have joined Mastodon around November who want the Fediverse to be only Mastodon. The existence of places in the Fediverse that aren't their beloved, cosy Mastodon and that have nasty features such as text formatting or quotes disturbs them deeply, also because they can't do anything about it, they can't deny it away, and they can no longer ignore it.
Jupiter Rowland
2023-03-18 10:55:13
william.maggos
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
imo the problem is less with newbies than people who have been here a long time. I think what happened is that it was hard to keep interest alive when the fedi was smaller, and the strategy people evolved was tight instances (to foster strong communities people would feel they had to check in on regularly) and less concern about the larger network. that led to a very controlling culture. with all the new people/development, the fedi culture is changing and that's hard.
Bonobo
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Thanks for the enlightenment, @jupiter_rowland — but, TBH, right now I feel more in the dark than I had realized before … so apparently #Hubzilla offers the most/best features and Fediverse interconnectivity? (while #Stream is not quite ready yet?)
But you’re not here to be my personal coach 😅 so I’ll just watch your posts while digging my way through to a (hopefully) “unified” Hubzilla account.
Feels like I’m getting too old for this stuff though … why can’t I tell #Siri to do it all for me?
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Bonobo • • •@Bonobo #Hubzilla does offer the most features, but it's up to decide to everyone individually whether they need those features. Granted, having CalDAV and CardDAV along with social networking can be useful, for example.
As far as connectivity goes, in theory, Hubzilla is slightly better than #Friendica which is second-best. Its only advantage over Friendica is that can federate with #Streams directly through its native #Zot and understand (streams)' nomadic architecture whereas Friendica has to rely upon #
... show more@Bonobo #Hubzilla does offer the most features, but it's up to decide to everyone individually whether they need those features. Granted, having CalDAV and CardDAV along with social networking can be useful, for example.
As far as connectivity goes, in theory, Hubzilla is slightly better than #Friendica which is second-best. Its only advantage over Friendica is that can federate with #Streams directly through its native #Zot and understand (streams)' nomadic architecture whereas Friendica has to rely upon #ActivityPub to connect to (streams).
As far as ActivityPub connectivity specifically goes, I'd say Friendica is the best of the three because it isn't nomadic. Of course, this comes at the cost of not offering #NomadicIdentity and your Fediverse identity being tied to one node; also, unlike Hubzilla and (streams), Friendica doesn't offer multiple channels on one account.
I've yet to try (streams), but it seems to come in second. For one, its Nomad protocol (actually renamed Zot/11) has better support for non-nomadic ActivityPub, good enough actually to have ActivityPub on by default.
Hubzilla which uses Zot/6 has somewhat more trouble interacting with non-nomadic projects. This is also why ActivityPub is not on by default, and the Pubcrawl app has to be activated by the users for each channel. I guess this has led to frustration for Hubzilla newbies who tried and failed to connect to Mastodon because they were promised full ActivityPub support, but they weren't told that it's optional and opt-in, i.e. off by default.
Ada
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •This person blocked me for providing a link to post exploring research on this topic.
You aren't going to convince them
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Ada • • •@ada
Well, me too... thus ironically giving an example for a legitimate use case for the feature.
(and one of the reasons, I implemented it this way in the first place).
Samuel Proulx
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Samuel Proulx
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Ada
in reply to Samuel Proulx • • •That's not supported by the research.
absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/…
It's one thing to not want the feature, but they're simply not the tool for evil that it's portrayed to be.
The majority of fediverse platforms already support the feature without incident.
Quote Tweeting: Over 30 Studies Dispel Some Myths - Absolutely Maybe
Hilda Bastian (Absolutely Maybe)James
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to James • • •@jdasher
Quote Tweeting is a controversial feature that causes a lot of harm on Twitter. In a nutshell, QT allows you to "steal" a discussion over to your timeline and potentially make the original poster look like a fool to your followers.
And yes, you are correct, "recentering" the conversation is one of the ideas behind how Fedimeister implements quoting.
James
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Codex ☯️♈☮
in reply to James • • •@jdasher
@raccoon @fediversenews @fediverse
I've often found it helpful in the context of re-sharing a news story or link that someone has shared, but adding my own commentary to it (as though I'd initially shared it), without losing the source context that I drew it from. I think of it less as "recentering" than "recontextualizing."
I understand that when QBing someone's original content, it can also be a tool for targeting (e.g. for harassment) but I never used them that way.
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in reply to Codex ☯️♈☮ • • •I keep different personas for Dutch and English following/follower to post mostly in the language for the targeted group.
But sometimes I have a crossover, news being global and all.
Than I want to quote-boost an English post with summary or context in Dutch.
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in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •I'd love to run this. How can I persuade MacOS to launch the software ('not from a certified developer')?
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Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to mike_hales 💔*!?¿* • • •@mike_hales
My Mac knowledge is pretty limited, I'm afraid. Technically, it should start by clicking the JAR, unless apple has changed something.
Do you have the Java Runtime Environment installed?
Sam Easterby-Smith
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Sam Easterby-Smith • • •@sam @mike_hales
Thanks, will put that in the docs.
mike_hales 💔*!?¿*
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •@sam
This is helpful thanks. I'm an un-tech user, however, so need more guidance please.
Dunno if I have the JAR. If I have, where will I find it? Is it a 'secret' file that I won't be able to see? Do I need to use the command line/terminal? That's beyond my untutored scope.
'Just a user' 😉
bgt lover
Unknown parent • • •Kevin Davidson
Unknown parent • • •The app this thread is about appears to do the worst of all choices as it’s a renedered screen grab with alt text. No link to the original and no notifying the author.
Kevin Davidson
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •bgt lover
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •🐝Mr.Mark🐝
Unknown parent • • •This:
“The Fediverse innovates better, faster and safer outside Mastodon. We're just hoping Mastodon will start catching up at some point.”
Now, my Q: i’m using third-party iOS apps for Mastodon on my phone. (Ivory, Metatext, & Ice Cubes)
What’s my option if I would like to set up on Frendica and use it in a somewhat similar fashion?
I’m definitely interested in setting up a group, which I understand I can do.
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jakob 🇦🇹 ✅
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •@Patrick, the Linux guy Poah!!!
Breaking long text into masto-stuttering... i hate this.
just use better fedisoftware. There are many services out in the fediverse, which allow you much higher character-size or even unlimited characters...
why do you all put the fucking twittering of text here into fediverse too???
use friendica. it has unlimited chars.
use pleroma. it has 5000 default chars - configurable.
use akkoma. use misskey, use hubzilla...
they all are not that bad limited as mastodon is.
fucking masto-stuttering!
🐝Mr.Mark🐝
Unknown parent • • •OK, thanks, this really helps me understand things better.
Is there a way to log into frendica using my current address that I have here on Mastodon?
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Unknown parent • • •Allow quote-toots?... Yes/No
Allow text search?... Yes/No
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Unknown parent • • •Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈
As you can see here, at least if you open this post of mine at its source, quotes can serve a useful purpose. Like on forums, they make it possible to directly reply to certain parts of a post.
Anyways, those who have found Mastodon to be a safe haven from Twitter-style harassment and strongly oppose quotes have yet to give a concise declaration on their demands as to what should be done about quotes being an available feature on other projects, and about the possibility of using the quote feature on a non-Mastodon, but Ac
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As you can see here, at least if you open this post of mine at its source, quotes can serve a useful purpose. Like on forums, they make it possible to directly reply to certain parts of a post.
Anyways, those who have found Mastodon to be a safe haven from Twitter-style harassment and strongly oppose quotes have yet to give a concise declaration on their demands as to what should be done about quotes being an available feature on other projects, and about the possibility of using the quote feature on a non-Mastodon, but ActivityPub-supporting instance to quote Mastodon toots and have said quote appear on Mastodon timelines.
I mean, I've done just that. I'm on Hubzilla. Hubzilla even only supports ActivityPub through an optional per-channel app. And yet, I was able to quote your Mastodon toot. And you can see my post with quotes of your toot on your Mastodon timeline. Nothing could stop me from doing this.
But especially the LGBTQIA+ community which fled from the harassment on Twitter to Mastodon has yet to answer this question: What, if anything, should be done about this? Should everything that isn't Mastodon, including Friendica which has quotes six years before Mastodon was launched, be forced to remove the quote feature even for internal use once and for all? Should they be forced to defederate from Mastodon? Should Mastodon in turn deliberately be forced to become incompatible with everything else (which will not work against multi-protocol platforms like Friendica and Hubzilla)?
Where are the LGBTQIA+ activists? Why don't they take a stand? Where is their public "quotes are harassment" campaign against Pleroma, Akkoma, MissKey, CalcKey, FoundKey, Socialhome, GoToSocial, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) etc. etc., openly declaring all these projects homophobic and transphobic for holding on to their quote features?
Instead, most of them still do as if the Fediverse was only Mastodon. They seem to try to convince themselves that all those projects which both support quotes and federate with Mastodon don't exist, if they know that these projects exist, that is. I don't know what they do if someone comes and tries to tell them about the world outside Mastodon. Do they immediately block these people? Do they proverbially cover their ears and chant?
That isn't because the world needs something as frugal as Mastodon more than something as elaborate as Friendica.
That is purely because the world doesn't know that Friendica exists, and it never knew. People don't migrate by the millions to an online project of which they don't know that it exists. Otherwise, Friendica could have exploded as early as July 2010, and Diaspora*, which at the same time was developed as the free, decentralised, distributed Facebook killer and backed by several $100,000 in crowdfunding, would have been stillborn or never released in the first place.
From late October to early December 2022, some seven or eight million Twitter users were channeled not into the Fediverse, but directly to Mastodon, often even to one specific Mastodon instance to spare them from having to choose one. None of them was told that there's more to the Fediverse than Mastodon.
They could easily spend November, December, January, February and March "knowing" that the Fediverse is only Mastodon and not knowing about any of the alternatives. I'm pretty certain that being initially given the choice between Mastodon and Akkoma, every other one of them would have picked Akkoma just like Linus Torvalds did.
Why didn't they pick Akkoma? Or Friendica? Because they didn't know that Akkoma or Friendica exists, because nobody told them, because all they were ever told about was one Mastodon instance. They could easily spend three months not even noticing that Mastodon itself is decentral and has instances.
And when they finally learned about there being other stuff on the Fediverse than Mastodon after four months, it was already too late. Moving from Mastodon to another project is too much of a hassle and often not worth it, also because you can neither take your toots nor those who follow you nor your uploaded media with you.
Oh, and by the way: Just a few weeks ago, MissKey experienced an enormous wave of new users in Japan who went from Twitter straight to MissKey without any stopover on Mastodon. And MissKey has quotes, too.
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hub.netzgemeinde.euAda
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •FYI, the quote feature you're talking about here isn't the QT feature most people are referring to.
Selectively quoting bits of text with quote formatting isn't something anyone is concerned about.
What they are referring to is the ability to make a brand new post on your own timeline (rather than a reply) with an inline display of the post you are quoting.
That being said, there has been research on QTs, and they're not particularly relevant factors in abuse. They play an element, but far less than replies themselves.
Even so, what would be great to see is the ability for users to have granular control over whether posts they make can be QT'd by others. Of course, bad faith instances could simply ignore that flag, but that's where defederation and moderation comes in.
Jo (she/they)
Unknown parent • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈 • • •@AlisonW
Disallow quoting and people will work around that limitation by screenshotting. Which is more or less how Fedimeister does it.
Joël de Bruijn
Unknown parent • • •@fediversenews
For one use case (using your Dutch student/teacher account also for Mastodon) this is done by @SURF using their SurfConext federation for identification/authentication.
Not precisely the same but as providing a federated log-in unique nonetheless.
By the way SurfConext is an OpenConext implementation.
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Unknown parent • • •@Mathias Hellquist (Friendica)
Many Fediservices are able to konfigure LDAP or OpenID.
But they still are different accounts.
I use OpenID-Connect with keycloak on Mobilizon, Peertube and Nextcloud and LDAP as base for keycloak.
But friendica does not support ldap correctly. The login-process is a bit weird for this usecase.
And i've never been successful with OenID-connect on friendica.
Maybe my next project in friendics ☺️
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in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈
You did it, yes, I acknowledge that. But I doubt that it's easy-peasy for a complete tech-illiterate. Mastodon doesn't offer a "three click" transfer tool like Friendica or especially Hubzilla, especially not to somewhere outside Mastodon.
The biggest obstacle is that when you're on Mastodon, and you move somewhere else, anywhere else, and be it another Mastodon instance, you have to start over with a blank slate, only populated with those whom you follow. You have t
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You did it, yes, I acknowledge that. But I doubt that it's easy-peasy for a complete tech-illiterate. Mastodon doesn't offer a "three click" transfer tool like Friendica or especially Hubzilla, especially not to somewhere outside Mastodon.
The biggest obstacle is that when you're on Mastodon, and you move somewhere else, anywhere else, and be it another Mastodon instance, you have to start over with a blank slate, only populated with those whom you follow. You have to abandon your old toots, you have to abandon your one-sided followers, and you have to re-connect your mutual followers.
Let me try to explain once more.
You do know that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon. You know projects like Friendica. You even use them.
But by far most Mastodon newcomers don't know that. They don't know Friendica. They don't know Pleroma. They don't know Akkoma. They don't know MissKey. And so forth. They don't know that there is anything else in the Fediverse than Mastodon. In their worldview, the Fediverse is Mastodon.
So if they want a feature which Mastodon doesn't have, what do they do? Move to Akkoma which has that feature? No, because they don't know that Akkoma exists. No, what they do is pester Eugen Rochko with requests to include this feature into Mastodon.
What exactly makes you believe this is my thinking? For it isn't.
My most popular post so far with currently 281 likes and 143 comments in less than one month is titled, "Re-inventing the federated wheel because you don't know that wheels exist". And it is about just that. It is about people demanding new features on Mastodon which are readily available on other Fediverse projects, just because these people don't know that other Fediverse projects exist.
Why did I write it? I keep reading about people wanting quotes on Mastodon. Or text formatting. Or more than 500 characters per toot. Every single time, I want to go to them, grab them by their shoulders, shake them and tell them, "Go join Akkoma! Akkoma has quotes, Akkoma has text formatting, Akkoma has no character limit whatsoever, and you can still connect to everyone on Mastodon! Mastodon doesn't need this feature if you can get it elsewhere!"
And I can guarantee you, if I did this, it would be the very first time that these people ever learn about there being something else in the Fediverse than Mastodon.
I've got over 300 followers, and the majority of them isn't interested in the main topic of my channel. No, they follow me because it was my posts from which they've learned that the Fediverse is more than Mastodon. They're probably irritated whenever I write about virtual worlds because they expect me to teach them and the rest of Mastodon about the Fediverse outside Mastodon.
I've actually read a toot in which someone said there should be a Mastodon bot which automatically boosts my posts straight to everyone who writes about Mastodon being the Fediverse and demands new features on Mastodon which are readily available in the Fediverse outside Mastodon.
What if I told you that I am not a U.S. citizen? That I'm living in Europe? In Germany which is pretty left-wing even for European standards? In a city which is even pretty left-wing for German standards, by the way, and which has its own annual Christopher Street Day parade?
This means I'm as unfamiliar with these names as you may be with names like Björn Höcke or Rosa von Praunheim.
You're putting words in my mouth. I have been aware of the situation of the LGBTQIA+ community on Twitter long before your post.
But I don't write about social topics. I write about technology. It's unwise to ask me for solutions on the social side of things, but I could suggest solutions on the technological side.
You, in turn, still haven't answered my question: What is the LGBTQIA+ community's attitude towards people on Pleroma, Akkoma, MissKey, CalcKey and FoundKey being able to QT Mastodon toots with no technical obstacles whatsoever with these QTs re-appearing on Mastodon afterwards? If you're strictly against QTs on Mastodon, what is your stance on already available QTs on Pleroma, Akkoma, MissKey, CalcKey and FoundKey?
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Ada • • •@Ada Cross-project prevention of QTs will be very difficult to implement. Mastodon would have to set a standard outside the ActivityPub standard for how to communicate that a post must not be quoted. Every last other project would have to heed it. And every last instance of every last project would have to be kept up-to-date.
In the meantime, people could join the last remaining public Zap instance (Zap went end-of-life on January 1st, 2023 and was officially superseded by (streams)) and happily quote whatever they want to quote. As long as the instance admin doesn't show up and upgrade the instance to current stable (streams), it will never heed the no-quote policy.
Speaking of Zap, a no-quote feature will be fairly difficult to implement on everything that Mike Macgirvin has created from Friendica to Hubzilla to (streams), of course including all the remaining instances of the now-dead projects Redmatrix, Osad
... show more@Ada Cross-project prevention of QTs will be very difficult to implement. Mastodon would have to set a standard outside the ActivityPub standard for how to communicate that a post must not be quoted. Every last other project would have to heed it. And every last instance of every last project would have to be kept up-to-date.
In the meantime, people could join the last remaining public Zap instance (Zap went end-of-life on January 1st, 2023 and was officially superseded by (streams)) and happily quote whatever they want to quote. As long as the instance admin doesn't show up and upgrade the instance to current stable (streams), it will never heed the no-quote policy.
Speaking of Zap, a no-quote feature will be fairly difficult to implement on everything that Mike Macgirvin has created from Friendica to Hubzilla to (streams), of course including all the remaining instances of the now-dead projects Redmatrix, Osada, Zap, Misty and Roadhouse.
This is because they don't have forum-like quote buttons that could be greyed-out, nor do they handle quotes behind the scenes. They create quotes in plain sight with BBcode right in the comment editor. It's phpBB2 all over again.
At least on Hubzilla, (streams) and the now-dead Zotlabs projects, in order to quote a comment, you have to mark the part of the comment to be quoted with your mouse and then click on the Reply button.
In order to quote a post (mind the difference), you have to do it manually. First, you mark and copy the part to be quoted. Then you either click on the quote button which does nothing but insert
[quote][/quote]into your comment, and then you paste the copied part in-between the two tags. Or you type[quote]by hand, paste the copied part in and then type[/quote]. There is no technological way of keeping you from inserting a quote from a no-quote post/comment into your comment.The only technological solution I can see is that the comment editor detects the existence of
[quote][/quote]tags in a comment on a post/comment that's flagged no-quote and therefore greys out the Send button. This, however, would be prone to false positives. What if it is, in fact, not the post/comment being replied to that is quoted, but something else? Will this solution be smart enough to detect quote tags which are inactive, either because they're in a code block or because they're between[nobb][/nobb]tags?Also, this could still be circumvented. Who says that you have to format a quote as such? Instead, you could put a quote into a code block.
Or you quote the good old-fashioned Usenet way:
>Copy-pasted quoteOr you could be extra nefarious and quote 4chan-style:
[color=#789922][hl=#f4e9e3]>Copy-pasted quote[/hl][/color]I can't see reliable auto-detection for this.
^^ zap ^^
zap.dogKevin Davidson
in reply to Ada • • •To get all AP compatible services to agree on this behaviour probably needs the AP working group to reconvene and hammer out expected behaviours.
Kevin Davidson
Unknown parent • • •I’ve definitely seen celebrities dunking on small accounts and driving them off Twitter. But also, I use QT myself - mostly to add context or to refer back to my own previous posts.
Kevin Davidson
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •AlisonW ♿🏳️🌈
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Jo (she/they)
Unknown parent • • •37 studies dispel the myth that it's quote tweets that were the problem on Twitter. Sorry, but those who keep saying it is despite the wealth of evidence and the reality that the #Fediverse operates on completely different mechanisms to the other place, are engaging in unsubstantiated moral panic. There are 1 million users on Fediverse platforms that have a quote post feature, most of them on microblogging platforms like #Calckey#Misskey#Akkoma that are similar to #Mastodon and interact at-large with Mastodon users.
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... show more37 studies dispel the myth that it's quote tweets that were the problem on Twitter. Sorry, but those who keep saying it is despite the wealth of evidence and the reality that the #Fediverse operates on completely different mechanisms to the other place, are engaging in unsubstantiated moral panic. There are 1 million users on Fediverse platforms that have a quote post feature, most of them on microblogging platforms like #Calckey#Misskey#Akkoma that are similar to #Mastodon and interact at-large with Mastodon users.
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Helge
Unknown parent • • •Thanks for sharing your experience!
I also want to point out the problem with a lot of these emotional charged discussions such as quote posts, people tend towards hyperbole. For example in the post above, "I now had enough data to make some critical conclusions. As with all forms of tweets, quote tweets are abused, and used to abuse others. But I now think that if the quote tweet function had made Twitter worse, it likely wasn’t by much." from Hilba Bastian in the linked article was turned into "37 studies dispel the myth that it's quote tweets that were the problem on Twitter."
So my understanding of this is: "Yes, quote tweets were the vector of abuse, but if quote tweets didn't exist people would have found another vector instead of stopping being abusive."
Brennan Stehling
Unknown parent • • •Alan Martello
Unknown parent • • •@BarrenPlanet @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots Be patient with this old guy for a second who’s never been dogpiled.
This post of yours I’m responding to has an image of your post - took all of 1-2 seconds. If a malicious actor did this plus put your handle in text making it easy for their sub-human malicious sycophants to find you, is this any different from a native QT re: enabling dogpiling?
oldfartjmb says FREE PALESTINE
Unknown parent • • •Shoq
Unknown parent • • •That's an odd take. Sometimes people just want to use a good tool they'd made use of everyday. That's human nature, not something unique to the Twitter population.
As for QPS, speaking only for me, I'm not going to stop using a hammer because now and then they can be used to crush my thumb or someone's head. That's what TOS and moderation is for.
Ada
Unknown parent • • •Most fediverse implementations of quote toots display a requote as a reply to the original comment, and thus so do any replies.
It still gets shown on the quoters main timeline, but it's on the original posters comment replies too, which means that the original poster gets a notification and can see replies to it
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Unknown parent • • •yet there is a mountain of scientific evidence clearly pointing to the accessibility of guns as a major predictor of gun violence, while the same can not be said about the accessibility of QT Vs. Other forms of abuse, If I understand Jo's thorough review correctly
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Jo (she/they)
in reply to Ada • • •You beat me to it.
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Unknown parent • • •Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈
Exactly what I've been preaching for months.
People: "We need QT on Mastodon!1!!"
Me: "Go switch to Akkoma or CalcKey, and you've got Mastodon with QT right now and with enough other features on top to not make you demand any more features from Eugen or anyone else anytime soon!"
aRubes
Unknown parent • • •it's not as if there's no evidence at at all, though, that supports the claim that it is not the accessibility of the QT button that drives abuse.
Just as individuals' stories can not be brushed aside it can not be brushed aside.
Anyway, As it stands now you are relying on one person's or one term's decision, I believe, and that can not be counted on long-term. We have seen mastodon give up on some of its traditional principles.
Assuming for the sake of the argument that it is indeed the availability of that button that significantly promotes abuse, I believe that in the long run the problem can only be solved by
altogether as it allows this feature in other software which will become more familiar over time an
... show more1. Community with rules and enforcement and norms, and/or
2. Forking Mastodon to maintain a version that complicates the behaviour as in pre-2015 twitter, or
3. Abandoning
it's not as if there's no evidence at at all, though, that supports the claim that it is not the accessibility of the QT button that drives abuse.
Just as individuals' stories can not be brushed aside it can not be brushed aside.
Anyway, As it stands now you are relying on one person's or one term's decision, I believe, and that can not be counted on long-term. We have seen mastodon give up on some of its traditional principles.
Assuming for the sake of the argument that it is indeed the availability of that button that significantly promotes abuse, I believe that in the long run the problem can only be solved by
altogether as it allows this feature in other software which will become more familiar over time and probably will start spreading faster than Mastodon once someone with lots of money decides to invest heavily.
1. Community with rules and enforcement and norms, and/or
2. Forking Mastodon to maintain a version that complicates the behaviour as in pre-2015 twitter, or
3. Abandoning
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to aRubes • • •@aRubes
Why fork? To have #Mastodon with QTs?
No need for a fork. "Mastodon with QTs" already exists. #Pleroma, #Akkoma, #MissKey, #CalcKey, #FoundKey etc.
In fact, they're all Mastodon with QTs and with text formatting. Just not with the exact same UI/UX as Mastodon because they're independent projects.
@Jo (she/her) @LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈
Zach777
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Zach777 • • •@Zach777 Well, obviously, Mastodon doesn't have a two-click solution for moving your entire Mastodon account to, say, Akkoma.
It isn't even as straight-forward as on older projects to move from one Mastodon instance to another Mastodon instance, and if you do that, you'll have to leave your followers, your toots, your uploaded media and your settings behind.
I myself have never tried moving an account from one micro-blogging project to another micro-blogging project.
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in reply to eshep • • •@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu I was not being clear. I meant it the other way. My suggestion was that a fork of ... show more
@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu I was not being clear. I meant it the other way. My suggestion was that a fork of
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volkris
in reply to eshep • • •@eshep
Tells you they’re interested in effective, concise communication.
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to eshep • • •@eshep Which doesn't say that other Fediverse projects have to be worse at doing the same job.
Look at those thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Japanese who recently fled Twitter straight towards MissKey without the usual stopover on Mastodon.
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Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈
Believe me, if you had to move, you would want to be me. Or at least here with me.
On Hubzilla, I can move around from hub to hub with ease with my whole channel. Just like so.
Better yet, Hubzilla has something called nomadic identity. When I join another hub, instead of leaving a separate dead channel behind, I can also create a 100% identical clone of my existing channel with the very same identity, the very same connections, the very same settings, the very same activated apps, even all the very same content. And it would automatically be kept in sync in real-time.
By the way, I've already done this. This channel of mine currently resides on two independent hubs. I could create more clones, but I don't see the need for that currently.
I think that instead of moving in the traditional sense, i
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Believe me, if you had to move, you would want to be me. Or at least here with me.
On Hubzilla, I can move around from hub to hub with ease with my whole channel. Just like so.
Better yet, Hubzilla has something called nomadic identity. When I join another hub, instead of leaving a separate dead channel behind, I can also create a 100% identical clone of my existing channel with the very same identity, the very same connections, the very same settings, the very same activated apps, even all the very same content. And it would automatically be kept in sync in real-time.
By the way, I've already done this. This channel of mine currently resides on two independent hubs. I could create more clones, but I don't see the need for that currently.
I think that instead of moving in the traditional sense, it's safer to first create a clone, then declare the new clone your main, thereby making the "original" a clone, and then deleting the original and even that only if you absolutely have to.
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
Unknown parent • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Sounds fantastic:
"* Break long texts into threads"
HoW did you solve the problem of allocating (multiple) picture annexes, including #AltText?
I usually generate the pics and the alt-text while writing in one go and get exasperated when I need to insert a sentence in the beginning later on and don't have enough space, so there would need to be a different "page break".
@fediversenews @fediverse
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 • • •@HistoPol
The alt text comes from a file with the same name as the picture file, just having the extension replaced by .txt
Currently, changing your thread will reset all image assignments, but I have plans to make that more stable.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Nifty. 😀
How do you place/tie-in the the pics?
Something like <pic1> etc in the text?
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 • • •@HistoPol
Nope, select in the preview, attach your picture/cw there. NOTE: currently, changing the text will reset your attachments.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Ah, I know you must have invested tons of time in this, but having the automated page break function of Word is IMO the way to go, and I say this as an avid and long-time thread writer who was also into CMS creation a long time ago.
Reason: when you write threads you often come up with an idea that you might need to include in the beginning, causing a new page break that spoils your pic allocation.
Just my two xents.
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @aRubes @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland Again, what problem are you trying to solve here? Each instance has a contract with it's users about what is acceptable conduct. That includes their chosen links with other instances. If you want a free for all, you join an instance that is a free for all. There are hundreds of options now. If you want a curated experience, you choose that sort of instance.
You don't get to inflict your preference on the rest of us.
Amro has melted
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @eshep @jupiter_rowland @jo
Ok, it was me... Never used Twitter.
But even I understood "quote-tweets" because you can do something similar on Facebook.
I like Mastodon thus far but using it a few months with the growing userbase and the imported "mores" from Twitter already makes it feel a bit different then last January.
And just yesterday I blocked someone for the first time. So, yay! Mastodon is growing up. I'm not missing QT very much. Boosting and engaging in the comments is different but enjoyable. So... 🤷♀️
[This unwanted opinion is brought to you by old persons farting about on the interwebs. Thank you, goodnight!]
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HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@mathias
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@bgtlover @AskPippa @raccoon
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@mathias
"I prefer the "give notification and keep the quoted post as part of the original thread", as I see that as the mature and thought-through way of doing it."
Yep!
@bgtlover @AskPippa @raccoon
🐝Mr.Mark🐝
Unknown parent • • •I’m right there with you on that rant. I would love it if one handle and one instance address could be used across the various Fediverse platforms.
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @aRubes @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland You have some serious issues with understanding boundaries. What happens on your server is the only boundary that anyone has to respect. They do NOT have any obligation to permit you or your member's behavior into their space. Ever.
Your 'home' is not threatened by defederation. It will still exist even if every other instance stops listening to it. You are conflating a loss of privilege with a personal assault. They are not the same.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
(1/3)
I agree on all points.
I was very active last year analyzing alternatives to #Twitter after it became cleat that #Elmo would buy it after all.
I looked even at start-ups.
No-one ever talked about #Friendica, #Diaspora, #Akkoma. At present, I'd probably have picked the latter, though I do like the massive diversity and "large crowd" in my local TL on Mastodon.social.
Regarding your questions below, I'd leave ASAP, despite not being able to...
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 • • •@jupiter_rowland
(2/3)
...migrate my posts and followers.
This said, a walled-in SM "internet", i.e. an "intranet"? No thanks, I've got this at work!
"Should everything that isn't Mastodon, including Friendica which has quotes six years before Mastodon was launched, be forced to remove the quote feature even for internal use once and for all? Should they be forced to defederate from Mastodon? Should Mastodon in turn deliberately be forced to become.."
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 • • •@jupiter_rowland
(3/4)
"...incompatible with everything else (which will not work against multi-protocol platforms like Friendica and Hubzilla)?"
As my example from quoting @jupiter_rowland above shows, nobody can prevent me from quoting even on #Mastodon.
The technical inhibition is just wasting my time, time and again.
Everyone with at least a high school diploma has used quotes as they are the basis of any type of scientific paper.
Oh, and...
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴 • • •@jupiter_rowland
(4/4)
...standard human conversations. You know, "he said/she said thing"?
Not being able to quote is just inhumane in a literal sense.
You want something more "private"?--Use the settings (and maybe a "confidential"/"do-not-quote" category might make sens), but not prohibiting it for all.
IMO abuse of this cannot be prevented by tech means anyway, the problem were a) the #algorithm and b) insufficient moderation and banning, in particular of celebs.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @jupiter_rowland
"Perhaps it did not take me so long because I’m not as invested in my own posts as others appear to be."
Exactly.
I have threads, like articles, that are still relevant and that I still refer to.
Likewise, I am missing some of this work done on the #BirdSite.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Jo (she/they) • • •@jo @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
Hear, hear. 😀
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @jo @jupiter_rowland
I can see your point, too.
The solution could then also be to make moving, including the toots, easier.
I do not mean that having to flee from an instance for being harrased should become the norm, quite the contrary.
(Lack of cultural understanding and the numbers of the #MetaHordes is also why I am against a card Blanche for #Facebook and co.
mastodon.social/@HistoPol/1100…)
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Kevin Davidson • • •@MetalSamurai @LucyWildboots @jo @jupiter_rowland
Exactly 💯 %
"it’s not the tool that causes harassment, as people intent on harassing will use any method available, including simple replies, to cause harm. The fix is cultural, not technical,"
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @aRubes @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland Um, I am the instance owner, and I never approached anyone about your behavior. I am responding to your repeated assertions that other instances somehow owe you and your instance a platform so long as you follow the rules of your instance. They do not, they never did, and they can block you for any reason and that's okay.
That's all I'm here to say. You can keep rephrasing your claim to privilege as many ways as you wish.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Jo (she/they) • • •@jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
👏
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@BarrenPlanet @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
But I could easily do this on #mastodon, too!
Copy your text w/ or w/o quotation marks, put your handle, as well as a link to your too and, voilà!
What really is the difference?
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Helge • • •@helge @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots @BarrenPlanet
My point, too, and you don't need to look far at all!
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Alan Martello • • •💯 %
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
Nope
My network and my posts!
Apart from that, panta re, all societies change, too.
I think this discussion has shown that QT is not the root of evil. The function can easily be mimicked.
The question is, if most of the present users want it, assuming that most people adhere to democratic principles. 😉
Protecting minorities is an important one, too.
I still fail to see more than an inconvenience for some, and most of the #LGBTQIA+ folks...
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
It seems despite trying to make a very informed choice, I did make a mistake in that. 😞
Mitex Leo
Unknown parent • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@BarrenPlanet @amart @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
I really wonder why it never was a major issue for me there despite over 20k of tweets, now that you put it in writing ✍️.
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
in reply to Mitex Leo • • •@mitexleo @LucyWildboots @aRubes @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland I don't think that is what is going on. For my instance we have rules and people can report violators. If the violator is on another instance I have a glance at the instance. If that is normalized behavior there, I block the instance. If it is not, I report the member to their admin and tell my member to block them as well if they wish.
It's really that simple.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •Agreed
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@expertmanofficial
On #Android?
@trunksapp @ivory
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
Unknown parent • • •@LucyWildboots @aRubes @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland Why do you think you have a right to impose your words on others? All I am doing when I defederate is choosing to not listen to your group, which is apparently both a private conversation among friends and also a bullhorn we are all obligated to listen to, simultaneously.
BTW, there is a fedi solution to this by @darius
called "Hometown" which is a fork specifically designed for the situation you mention.
github.com/hometown-fork/homet…
GitHub - hometown-fork/hometown: A supported fork of Mastodon that provides local posting and a wider range of content types.
GitHubJupiter Rowland
in reply to 🐝Mr.Mark🐝 • • •@Mr.MarkⓂ️ It's already possible to have the same account on multiple instances of the same project, but not on anything based on ActivityPub. It's called #NomadicIdentity, and only #Hubzilla, #Streams and the EOL projects in-between have it.
Between different projects it only works if they aren't too different. I know someone who has gone nomadic between #Zap and (streams), but EOL Zap can easily be upgraded to (streams), so they're very close. I myself wouldn't dare mirror my Hubzilla channel to (streams).
Something else that could be p
... show more@Mr.MarkⓂ️ It's already possible to have the same account on multiple instances of the same project, but not on anything based on ActivityPub. It's called #NomadicIdentity, and only #Hubzilla, #Streams and the EOL projects in-between have it.
Between different projects it only works if they aren't too different. I know someone who has gone nomadic between #Zap and (streams), but EOL Zap can easily be upgraded to (streams), so they're very close. I myself wouldn't dare mirror my Hubzilla channel to (streams).
Something else that could be possible is authentication across projects. #OpenWebAuth already made this possible on everything from Hubzilla to (streams), but it's independent from the #Zot protocol and could also be used elsewhere. Basically, you log into your channel, and even instances where you don't have an account recognise you by your login credentials.
But your proposal, one account for as many instances as you want of as many projects as you want, regardless of underlying technology, I can't see this happen.
Either this would require OpenWebAuth to be expanded to such degrees that if I logged into my Hubzilla channel and visit a PeerTube instance, I could upload videos there. This could easily be misused.
Or it would require nomadic identity across all kinds of projects and protocols (Zot, DFRN, ActivityPub). I would have to be able to mirror my channel which I now have on two Hubzilla hubs additionally onto four Friendica nodes, five Mastodon servers, three CalcKey instances, two Funkwhale pods, four PeerTube instances, one WordPress blog, one BookWyrm instance and so forth. The very same channel with the very same content, mind you. It should be obvious that this is impossible.
Jo (she/they)
Unknown parent • • •David Fleetwood - RG Admin
in reply to Jo (she/they) • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@BarrenPlanet @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
I get the screenshot part, ok, but copy and paste?--not that much effort +
/s: you can savor it longer that you are about to trash a person. /s
Simon Lucy
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
I don't know if this is a client thing, but you quote from posts a fair bit, which is fine, but they don't show up as a reference or a quotation. Could you surround them with single quotes, backticks even?
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Simon Lucy • • •@Simon Lucy No, it's a Mastodon thing.
I'm not on Mastodon, I'm on Hubzilla which has native support for both quotes and text formatting, both through BBcode. This is where the comment you've referenced looks like over here. (I'd give you an image instead. But right now, I don't want to put up with the hassle of taking a screencap, importing it into GIMP, cropping it, uploading it to my Hubzilla image file space, opening my channel in another tab, loading the image into a new post, copy-pasting it over here and editing an alt-text into the BBcode, including a full transcription.)
Mastodon, however, strips all posts from outside Mastodon off all their formatting and only leaves embedded URLs intact. Lacking markup tags in any shape or form, quotes done outside Mastodon look no diff
... show more@Simon Lucy No, it's a Mastodon thing.
I'm not on Mastodon, I'm on Hubzilla which has native support for both quotes and text formatting, both through BBcode. This is where the comment you've referenced looks like over here. (I'd give you an image instead. But right now, I don't want to put up with the hassle of taking a screencap, importing it into GIMP, cropping it, uploading it to my Hubzilla image file space, opening my channel in another tab, loading the image into a new post, copy-pasting it over here and editing an alt-text into the BBcode, including a full transcription.)
Mastodon, however, strips all posts from outside Mastodon off all their formatting and only leaves embedded URLs intact. Lacking markup tags in any shape or form, quotes done outside Mastodon look no different than the rest of the post.
For comparison: This is largely what can be done in Hubzilla posts. And this is what Mastodon makes out of it.
It can't be a client thing anyway. I'm on a desktop computer, I use Hubzilla through Firefox, and Hubzilla doesn't have a working desktop or mobile client anyway.
Yohan Yukiya Seseㆍ사요한・謝雪矢
2023-04-08 17:15:28
David Fleetwood - RG Admin
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to David Fleetwood - RG Admin • • •@David Fleetwood - RG Admin I wasn't even talking about #OAuth. #OpenWebAuth is something entirely different, created by Friendica inventor Mike Macgirvin as an advancement for his next creation, Hubzilla, along with a new version of Hubzilla's Zot protocol.
That said, Hubzilla also supports both OAuth and OAuth2. But I don't have either token manager app activated on my channel because I don't see a use-case for them right now, so I can't say how or how well they work.
mike
macgirvin.comPeter Butler
Unknown parent • • •Freakinbox
in reply to Peter Butler • • •@peterbutler @mathias @bgtlover @AskPippa since most of the staff was axed moderation has been weaponized by the very people it is supposed to stop.... Which to be fair is typical capitalism. 😅🥴
It's honestly the same situation Facebook did a few years back when people all started migrating away from them.
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@BarrenPlanet @amart @jo @MetalSamurai @jupiter_rowland @LucyWildboots
🤣 🤣
Quite apparently you never did see my #Resist tweets in the runup to the last two #US elections.
I would like to sign how you eloquently phrase it,but there is no quote function here. 😉
INPC
in reply to Freakinbox • • •Freakinbox
in reply to INPC • • •INPC
in reply to Freakinbox • • •@freakinbox @peterbutler @mathias @bgtlover @AskPippa but it is… I’m not wanting to cause or seek rage.
Maybe humans are also the problem.
Freakinbox
in reply to INPC • • •INPC
in reply to Freakinbox • • •Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@𝗝𝗮𝗸𝗼𝗯 :𝗳𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮: 🇦🇹 ✅ @LucyWildboots 🏳️🌈 UI speed depends on the hub. My main hub isn't the fastest currently, also because it's the second-biggest.
And yes, the UI is clunky and complicated. It basically capitulates in front of Hubzilla's many features. But we have someone who, as we speak, is working on new UIs, at least some for special purposes, which he already test-drives on at least his own hub.
UI-wise, Hubzilla can be very flexible. The Hubzilla website itself is a Hubzilla channel, technically speaking, and it isn't as obvious as in the case of Socialhome which basically does the same.
Hubzilla | Hubzilla - hubzilla@hubzilla.org
hubzilla.orgPeter Butler
Unknown parent • • •HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@expertmanofficial @trunksapp
Thanks, will take a look. 😀
However, I just saw that there are quote signs in the #Fedilab app...? Could it be...
Will try that now..
(Prefer #Tusky, as #Fedilab takes forever synching new posts.)
HistoPol (#HP) 🥥 🌴
Unknown parent • • •@expertmanofficial
On #Trunksapp?
Kevin Davidson (Friendica)
Unknown parent • • •So,I get the analogy. I don't love it as apparently I'm cast as Wayne LaPierre, so I probably ought to come back with some argument ending response like "The answer to a bad guy with a QT, is a good guy with.a QT". *mic drop* *crowd cheers*
I hope you know me well enough to know I'm no fan of the military industrial complex and putting profit before lives, so I'm obviously finding it uncomfortable that I'm apparently on the bad guy side by supporting QT.
The trouble with analogies is they only really work if you squint at them from a distance. Close up there are too many differences in details to make sensible decisions based on them. I accept that posts on social media can do a great deal of harm, including leading to death (suicide, SWAT, vigilante) and many other harmful land destructive results. I don't have documentary evidence or studies to show it, but my feeling is that the level of harm and risk are not usefully similar to compare these, and as both of them are issues people seem to have almost religious feelings about, it seems like it might inadvertently jus
... show moreSo,I get the analogy. I don't love it as apparently I'm cast as Wayne LaPierre, so I probably ought to come back with some argument ending response like "The answer to a bad guy with a QT, is a good guy with.a QT". *mic drop* *crowd cheers*
I hope you know me well enough to know I'm no fan of the military industrial complex and putting profit before lives, so I'm obviously finding it uncomfortable that I'm apparently on the bad guy side by supporting QT.
The trouble with analogies is they only really work if you squint at them from a distance. Close up there are too many differences in details to make sensible decisions based on them. I accept that posts on social media can do a great deal of harm, including leading to death (suicide, SWAT, vigilante) and many other harmful land destructive results. I don't have documentary evidence or studies to show it, but my feeling is that the level of harm and risk are not usefully similar to compare these, and as both of them are issues people seem to have almost religious feelings about, it seems like it might inadvertently just create more heat and cause an impediment to reaching a collective decision.
I also accept that although my personal experience of QT has been mostly positive, I've been playing internet on easy mode and should listen to the experiences of others. That's hard (the religious fervour and confirmation bias).
I think we all agree that bad actors will use whatever tools they have to hand to cause harm. QT is a fairly simple aim and fire tool. The way that non-Mastodon fediverse platforms have implemented it is slightly different to the way Twitter did it, as the QT shows up as a reply in the original thread, so the thread hijacking claim doesn't apply (although I think maybe there's an argument for meta commentary not getting tangled up in the main thread).
So it seems to me that the problem is really one of community values and moderation. The first to discourage people from behaving like that in the first place, the second to deal with it after the fact, because people are people.mAstodon mostly seems to have the first bit covered. I know it's difficult to tell as the federated nature means everything is very fractured, but in general poorly behaved people get ejected fairly quickly. I presume they go back to Twitter or end up on the free speech instances shouting at crypto scammers or posting Nazi lolicon memes. The second, moderation, is something Mastodon is pretty proud of - the many ways you can filter, mute and block and instances can limit, silence and block each other. And for smaller instances just now it seems to scale. You may not get very fast responses, but it's not an overwhelming amount of reports. But in reality it's a definite weak spot. Blocking doesn't do what users expect. Just like Jupiter's experiment with restricting replies, AP implementations just don't care, so your trolls can hang out in your thread, posting anything they like and everyone else can see it, but you can't. Maybe someone else will report their behaviour, maybe their instance admin will do something about it. Deleting the posts probably won't help as those posts are cached on thousands of different instances and tens of thousands of mobile and desktop clients.
So, fix reply and thread controls first. Then maybe it will be safe to implement QT (which I think everyone has said will likely be opt-in or opt-out)?
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in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Kevin Davidson
in reply to Peter Butler • • •James
Unknown parent • • •Favorite attention to UC so far: the “tap-📌-to-follow-topics” feature.
Uckermark MacGyver :nonazi:
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to Uckermark MacGyver :nonazi: • • •@maxheadroom
Hi, right now, your only option to report bugs is to DM/mention me or use #fedimeister
I tried your URL and Profile ID, both parse fine. However, while testing, I noticed, that you can accidentally copy&paste additional whitespace before/after the address, which will result in the parse error.
excited for the mastodon rise
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •the break into short chunks is a thing i've wanted for awhile, but want it as part of a blog app.
Then you could direct link the resulting short posts, and use replies to them like comments. It'd be great!
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to excited for the mastodon rise • • •@qkslvrwolf
I'm not sure how that would work. The 500 char limit is a Mastodon, not an ActivityPub thing. So, if you federate your blog, there's no need to break articles into chunks.
(I did plan on adding an export function, though that allows you to save the chunks as individual txt files for further processing).
Mark Prior
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •excited for the mastodon rise
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •I read a lot of full length blogs (like Doctorow) in threaded form. I like the idea of being able to go in either direction.
I also like the idea of each statement being broken up into their own piece that can individually be commented on and discussed.
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to excited for the mastodon rise • • •@qkslvrwolf
Hm, so what would the workflow be here? Write a blog article, then break it up with Fedimeister and republish on Mastodon? Write it in Fedimeister to begin with, then somehow export to your blog?
(do you have a sample of a Doctorow blog post, in article and thread style?)
excited for the mastodon rise
in reply to Patrick, the Linux guy • • •Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you modify Fedimeister (I just was happy to see something similar from something I was daydreaming about, and did the random internet schmoe thing of sharing my own daydreams, uninvited)
I do appreciate your time and kindness, though.
mastodon.social/@pluralistic@m…
Cory Doctorow
2023-04-18 20:01:41
Patrick, the Linux guy
in reply to excited for the mastodon rise • • •@qkslvrwolf
Feature requests are welcome ;).
Technically what, @pluralistic does can already be archived with #fedimeister (feel free to suggest it to him). The only thing different is that he posts his articles chunked and in reverse order, so they can be read raw, directly on the timeline instead of as a thread.
I was thinking about implementing this as an alternative style as well.
James
Unknown parent • • •@expertmanofficial 😆 right?!
Been trying out a slew of the new apps, and updated older apps. Lots of great work being done, but @trunksapp is one of the best.
Jupiter Rowland
Unknown parent • • •@𝗝𝗮𝗸𝗼𝗯 :𝗳𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮: 🇦🇹 ✅ @Patrick, the Linux guy Better yet:
@excited for the mastodon rise