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I know there is no easy fix for this, but I thought its important to let you know. Without the context of what the book is trying to say, it can be easily misunderstood. Maybe its not a big issue for people who are already very familiar with TROM, but there's not many of us like that, lol 😅
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I'm not talking specifically about this image, but still this image was confusing for @utopify_org and that's why they asked that question. So there's still some ambiguity for people who don't know the context, which I think is most people.

This is how they saw it:

> So your solution is to give every person half of a million dollar to stop crime?
It wouldn't work! But that's how a super inflation works and criminal cases would go up. It would just put gas in a fire.

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Rokosun

I don't know, I wasn't talking about this post in particular but I wouldn't be surprised if more people thought like @utopify_org did, I don't think its a wild interpretation. Because we are already familiar with the context so our brain may not go into such conclusions, but for others this may not be the case. Comments like this indicate that people can get the wrong idea, we shouldn't ignore it.

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Rokosun

Yeah, it sucks that there is no easy fix for this. I only said this because I also had a feeling that maybe some of these would confuse people, this is the first time someone commenting about it though. I don't know, maybe its because I look at everything through a magnifying glass, lol :blobcatgiggle:
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By the way I can't really see these comments of yours, are you commending directly on "TROM@www.social.tromsite.com" account or our Friendica social.trom.tf/profile/trom account? If you follow "TROM@www.social.tromsite.com" directly and comment to that then that is a Wordpress website with Activity pub without public comments enabled so we cannot reply to you. Please follow our friendica page and comment on that.
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But at which time should we invest money to avoid it in the first place? In school or right after school, because if people are looking for jobs, they have no money and might get bad thoughts.


Humans should be taken care of from the get-go. Not from this or that age.

I am still not far enough in the book "The Origin of Most Problems" to talk about it a lot, but I somehow miss realistic solutions.


The first part is a story, of about 100 pages long, after that we get into the "facts" part of it. And the book is not about the solutions as it is about the problem. It is a book that argue this is the most important aspect: to understand what the problem is.

There are only claims and the hero proves somehow irrelevant points, because they don't lead to a solution.


Read the book not a bit of it, in order to judge it please.

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Tio

I lived for 3 decades now and I've come across such short messages all the time. I was never as confused. But ok, at least you can ask and we can reply. So that's fine. I do not see how the message from this image is confusing. It is a question....if a man is arrested so many times for theft and it costs the tribe so much money to deal with him, would he still steal if they were to give the money to him?

Is similar to: most people do drugs because they are unhappy and poor, yet USA invests a lot of money in criminalizing the drugs. Would these people still do drugs if the USA would pour those money in social programs and help these people?

These do not need much context.....they are quite obvious I'd say.

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I think its actually more worrying when we don't get a response, you at least commented on it so we were able to clear the confusion here, but what if it doesn't get cleared? That's a bigger issue. If someone misinterprets it then:

1. They may think TROM is saying unreasonable things or whatever and leave the project.

2. They can get the wrong message and keep believing it as true.

These are both problems that can be caused by unclear communication.

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Tio

Ok so it seems you are interpreting it as such then....strange but ok. Of course we are not saying they should give everyone 1 million dollar. We are saying that if you were to help people they would not steal probably. If people had access to what they need at least, most crimes would not exist.
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Rokosun

Simply put, Tio's point was to use that 1 million dollar for humanitarian projects and such, to actually help people.

> I would even say rich people are getting bored really fast and to "feel alive" they have to do something illegal (and it will be much bigger).

You may feel like that but I don't think this is true, there's a lot of other better ways to "feel alive" than doing illegal things. Committing crimes is not fun like they show in some movies, lol.

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Tio

I gave you a random and invented example to bring home the point about misinterpreting small bits of text. And you got that one right but not the original post.

Happiness Index? I wonder what is that about.

There are lots of statistic sand documentaries about drugs and who or why they consume. videoneat.com/?s=drugs here - many poor people and homeless ones, end up drug addicts simply because of the harsh life they have to endure. The drug use in those that are not poor, is also related to their unhappy life, but of course also influenced by all sort of media that they consume, and by those who sell the drugs.

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> Your theory is not true about why most people are doing drugs and you build up on it to create another open question.

Hold on, the image in the post was talking about theft which is obviously a result of poverty. I'm not saying all thiefs are poor, but most are, and the rest of them are also a direct result of this unfair trade system where people with more money are treated better than others, so people do all kinds of scams to make money.

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Tio

I am well aware of the example in Portugal and we probably give that example in the book from where this quote is. Actually I should have linked to it sooner tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-d… - if not is in another one.

I do not make "weird" points at all, all of our books are factual and sourced so much they are bleeding. Yes we use some stories at times, that are fictional, to add up to the point we try to make. But this is rare.

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Oh ok, that makes sense. BTW, I would also like to say that there is a big difference between simply using a drug and becoming a drug addict, drugs have ruined many people's lives and they're much more likely to happen if you're poor and frustrated, I'm not saying rich people are immune to it, but the pressure put on people my the monetary system surely has a big impact. Also I think it has been shown that welfare programs and such can reduce this problem.
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