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In the great cathedrals and lovely mosques, the chants and the intoning of their sacred books, it is the sound that opens the heart to tears and beauty. Without space, there is no beauty; without space, you have only walls and measurement; without space, there is no depth; without space, there is poverty, inner and outer. You have so little space in your mind; it is so crammed full of words and remembrances, knowledge, experiences and problems. There is hardly any space left, only the endless chatter of thought. And so your museums are filled, and every shelf with books. Then you fill the places of entertainment, religious or otherwise. Or you build a wall around yourself, a narrow space of mischief and pain. Without space, inner and outer, you become violent and ugly.
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Why is the mind chattering, with never a moment when it is quiet, never a moment when there is complete freedom from problems? That mental occupation is the result of your education, of the social nature of your life. But when you realise that your mind is chattering and look at it, staying with it, you will see what happens. Your mind is chattering – all right, watch it. You say, ‘All right, chatter’ – you are attending, which means you are not trying not to chatter, not saying, ‘I must not,’ not suppressing it, you are just attending to chattering. If you do, you will see what happens: your mind is clear. That is probably the state of a healthy human being.
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It is good to be lazy, in the sense of not being incessantly active like an ant or monkey, everlastingly doing something. Most of our minds are everlastingly occupied with words, with problems, with ideas and issues – always chattering to itself, never lazy, never quiet, always under a tension. A mind that is not indolent but has quietude, in its very gentleness, perceives in a flash what is true. That laziness, that indolence, that sense of infinite leisure is not to be confused with comfort. A mind that has leisure is an extraordinary mind, because then it is not caught up in the net of action, it is not everlastingly chattering with itself or about something.
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Inwardly, in our minds and hearts, we are very confused. There is no security for ourselves or for future generations. Religions have divided human beings as Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. Considering all this, observing objectively, calmly without prejudice, it is naturally important that together we think about it all. Think together, not having opinions opposing other sets of opinions, not having one conclusion against another conclusion, one ideal against another ideal, but thinking together and seeing what we human beings can do. The crisis is not in the economic world, nor in the political world; the crisis is in consciousness. I think very few of us realise this.
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We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support.
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It was your point that Motorola is the partner because they want to make money. If the people are only able to buy their phones after some others already did and now resell them, I don't See how they profit. People buying the high Ende devices for Graphene may exist AS well but in WhatsApo rate
> systemd -> dinit or s6
Lots of these are giving up even more security features.
> hardened_malloc, malloc-ng, or mimalloc-secure
These aren't the same classes of allocators at all. Neither the musl malloc or mimalloc is a hardened allocator. mimalloc is performance focused and musl's is focused on low memory usage.
> What are your thoughts on what to do in case the day comes that Google kills AOSP?
What about when IBM decides to kill systemd, GCC and GNOME?
@lumi @alexia The current default software stack for desktop Linux is kind of terrible and the lack of coherent threat model or proper ecosystem of sandboxed applications are major issues with desktop right now. What I am still questioning is whether it is even possible to make a proper competitor to ChromeOS (if we ignore the hardware insecurity of basically all PCs).
So example software choices:
systemd -> dinit or s6
sudo -> s6-sudo (setuidless)
glibc -> muslc
glibc malloc or jemalloc -> hardened_malloc, malloc-ng, or mimalloc-secure (which supports more CPU architectures)
bubblewrap (sandbox used by Flatpak) -> #syd (it's written in Rust, has many important exploit protections, and can even be the user login: gitlab.exherbo.org/sydbox/sydb…)
GNOME or KDE -> XFCE (when their new Rust Wayland native WM is finished)
gnutils -> *BSD or uutils
The issue of course with most of these alternatives is that they are separate projects and therefore dont have the same goals, methods, or threat models. Also most of these projects are written in C which does not help at all. Also there is of course the lack of a proper chain of trust from the hardware to loading the kernel and userspace.
It may just not be reasonably possible to provide a alternative without millions of dollars of funding and a decade of development. It would be nice for there to be an alternative to AOSP/ChromeOS or even MacOS for desktop computing which actually takes security seriously. It doesnt even need to have be completely on par when it comes to security, just do better than current Linux distros (not a very high bar).
What are your thoughts on what to do in case the day comes that Google kills AOSP?
@GOKUSHRM Our partnership is Motorola is not exclusive and we're fully allowed to partner with other OEMs. However, we don't currently have the resources to partner with additional OEMs and it will likely be a while before we do.
Partnerning to make smartphones with a company which recently discontinued their smartphones doesn't sound workable. The point is also mainly getting an OEM to raise their security to meet our requirements rather than getting an OEM to sell devices with GrapheneOS.
doing PGO on a development build (considering the guide is meant for developers) is insane IMO
that's something one would do on their final fully optimized build, not for development, and specially not if the need to debug anything in native code is there...
from what i recall in my encounters with googlers: it's pgo.
from my own experience on gentoo lto adds around 30% memory pressure and pgo adds around 50%, compile time is mostly unaffected with lto but pgo quadruples it.
parallel builds and LTO stuff, i assume
meaning you could run with less memory, by reducing the amount of parallel builds, except that would make the already long 6 hour build time increase close to exponentially
so 64 gb for 72 build processes doesn't seem super unnatural but 64 for 6 is weird.
it's probably fine with 8 to 16 on 6 core.
note that, as i mentioned on the thread before, back in 2019 i tried to build it on a 7th gen i7 (so 4/8 c/t) with 16 gigs of ram and a sata ssd, after 3 days of non-stop building, i gave up
and that was when the minimum recommendations were still 32gb of ram
What about when IBM decides to kill systemd, GCC and GNOME?systemd
Between GNU Shepherd, supervise-daemon and runit? 
GCC
You'll have to explain why/how IBM owns GCC. Fairly sure it's an actual FSF project. 
GNOME?
RIP lol 
Other than the accessibility stuff most of it I don't care much about, and with the ensloppification going on & Red Hat apparently insisting on it, it might well die anyway.
What are your thoughts on what to do in case the day comes that Google kills AOSP?
This however has real chances of happening and already has a largely closed development process with no community.
Which means it doesn't even need a poison pill contributor agreement, all the necessary rights are probably already in Google's possession for malicious license changes.
Not to mention that the main useful part of Android, the drivers & their documentation, aren't even included anyway. Everything else could be replaced by something better with some work.
@King_of_Ooo @alexia @lumi So, how many of those community projects aren't simply downstream like the Mozilla Firefox ones?
How many are actually credibly in a position to take development over entirely with a dead upstream?
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> You know, if you're just going to avoid the question you could simply not answer that post, like you did with my mobile modem isolation question.
Don't know what you're talking about. You're one of hundreds of people.
> The overwhelming majority of the BSD tooling
It has little to do with the desktop software stack. That increasingly only has an incomplete port over to BSD with a growing amount of hacks. It would just roll it back even further.
@King_of_Ooo @alexia @lumi You know, if you're just going to avoid the question you could simply not answer that post, like you did with my mobile modem isolation question.
The overwhelming majority of the BSD tooling that isn't systemd could be ported with a modest effort if systemd died. Note that I linked daemon supervisors earlier, because session managers and init systems are a lot easier to come by.
edit: Ah, my bad, I confused the subthread. You did ignore it and replied to the prior post.
@bobkmertz @greenpete @joe9nf That was most likely the modem and in some early mobiles there was zero isolation preventing the modem from simply reading all the memory bus.
(The modem should be understood as a blackbox device at the mercy of hostile infrastructure providers & "authorities", it is attack surface.)
I would hope that such isolation is part of the GrapheneOS safety requirements.
Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.GrapheneOS
If they #Motorola could add #LoRa or something similar that could be a game changer.
They would offer something that other companies don't, while there is demand from users.
It also brings privacy advantages as it makes it easier to communicate undetected from cell towers. People are starting to roll out networks covering wide areas.
In addition to that, it adds an element of resilience where people could continue to communicate even when cell towers are shut down. This is especially important during national disasters and governments overreach shutting down internet access.
TL;DR: Yes.
Well, as degoogled as using an OS maintained by Google gets
@luana Yes, that's part of our hardware requirements:
grapheneos.org/faq#future-devi…
Whether they'll be sold at retail with GrapheneOS preinstalled as an option isn't a question we can answer yet. It mostly comes down to Google's requirements and the extent to which those can be worked around or pushed to be relaxed.
Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.GrapheneOS
@ferricoxide @luana No, it's a much different feature than the incomplete implementation for desktops. The entirely of the firmware and operating system are cryptographically verified with downgrade protection. The secure element is used to store the version metadata for downgrade protection for the OS and efuses are used for the firmware portion of it. It's fully integrated with the A/B update system with automatic rollback until reaching the home screen successfully.
grapheneos.org/install/web#ver…
Web-based installer for GrapheneOS, a security and privacy focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility.GrapheneOS
@GrapheneOS Go for it. You will succeed when there are, let's say, three phones from affordable to high range.
The future: When you are supporting a lot of Motos, integrate another brand (Asus?) and finally get rid of the Pixels. 
This is a premature joke for the 1. April, right? 😳🤔😂🤣
Choosing a company like Motorola with it's owner Lenovo behind it for the reasons of privacy and security isn't beyond a good idea but pure hypocrisy and a punch in the guts for all of the supporters of GrapheneOS in my opinion. 🖕
Greed ate brain, happened again it seems. 🤮
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The point isn’t whether GrapheneOS receives money from Motorola.
The point is the consistency of the security and trust model you advocate! 🙄
GrapheneOS often emphasizes minimizing trust in large corporations, opaque supply chains, and potential state influence.
Yet Motorola is owned by Lenovo, a Chinese company operating under a legal environment where state access to companies can be mandated.
If the argument is that users should minimize trust and maximize verifiable security, partnering with an OEM embedded in that jurisdiction raises legitimate questions.
This isn’t about “greed” but about coherence of principles.
If Chinese OEM ownership is usually framed as a risk in privacy discussions, it seems inconsistent to dismiss those concerns when it becomes convenient for hardware support.
Criticism here isn’t hostility—it’s asking whether the same standards are being applied consistently. 😉
@kranzkrone It's quite apparent you're using an LLM to generate concern troll replies. It's incoherent and lacks actual substance. We're not going to be interacting with a text generator someone has directed to waste our time and energy.
If you don't want us banning your instance and making a public post asking everyone else to do the same then remove both of these AI generated replies and stop bothering us.
Here's our policy on AI generated content for discussions:
It's indeed quite apparent that you acting out in the same way like you did in the past when the founder of GrapheneOS had a personal dispute with another somewhat prominent personality of the tech world.
If you don't want me to further investigate your toxic behavior of communication and try to framing me as the bad one, you should definitely thread lightly.
Threatening me with whatever action won't result in deleting my previous posts but instead will strengthen my personal investment in further interactions and maybe legal actions.
Louis Rossmann may would find this interesting to read too.
I'm fine to end it here by agreeing to disagree.
@kranzkrone You've moved on from posting low quality concern trolling which appears to be at least partially generated by an LLM to blatant libel and support for harassment. We haven't framed you for anything. Your replies to our thread make it clear what you're doing.
Louis Rossmann orchestrated harassment towards our founder by making many extraordinarily dishonest claims in a video where he engaged in blatant bullying. Rossmann is openly a Kiwi Farms user and is the one who involved them.
@JamesDBartlett3 @lispi314 @a53bdb @lunareclipse I agree.
I consider the USA as the premium example for the latter. 😉
any chance that we'll have Google wallet support?
since the bootloader will trust the grapheneos keys I can't imagine why would safetynet and the other play protect mechanisms won't pass attestation (for all intents and purposes graphene would be indistinguishable from the stock Motorola image)
if that's the case I'll buy the device the moment it comes out...
@a53bdb To be fair, all phones are made there so that risk always exists anyway.
As long as GrapheneOS doesn't slack on their requirements including (but not limited to) being able to access low level stuff it shouldn't be much worse if you flash the phone yourself. And those kind of requirements are why Pixels where the only ones supported to begin with...
I heard rumours that GrapheneOS will ship in phones and it will not be possible to flash another OS.
Is this true?
@joonq @a53bdb
Sorry, but despite US offices and staff, the company is 100% Chinese.
Here is why:
-> Acquisition: Bought Motorola from Google in 2014 for $2.91B.
-> Headquarters: Global HQ is in Beijing.
-> Shareholders: Parent company Legend Holdings is Chinese.
-> Leadership: CEO Yang Yuanqing is Chinese.
-> Origins: Born from a state-owned research institute.
What might be cause for concern is if the ‘blond’ driving the world crazy were to target Motorola or Lenovo, causing them to pull out of the US market, or if, like Huawei, they were to have Android stripped away from them. At that point, they might decide on one of two things: either ‘steal’ the GrapheneOS technology, or strengthen their partnership with Graphene and make Graphene the primary software for Motorola/Lenovo. It could be an interesting development, but I imagine it would be stressful for the creators of Graphene
@anon_4601 @joonq @a53bdb Lenovo is a publicly traded company with 31% of the shares are owned by Legend Holdings.
Legend Holdings is a publicly traded company with 29% of the shares owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
That works out to the Chinese Academy of Sciences owning around 9% of Lenovo. They're far from owning the majority of it.
We're continuing to support Pixels which are the only Android devices from a major OEM based in the US. Smaller brands are white labelled ODM phones.
@FynnND Both iPhones and Pixels have official battery replacement kits available along with it being relatively straightforward for the most recent generations of each. You can already use GrapheneOS on a Pixel today.
Fairphones lack crucial standard privacy and security patches/protections. They're incredibly far from meeting our requirements. Fairphones aren't a serious option if you care about privacy and lack basic safety due to lack of kernel updates, etc.
@top It wasn't authorized by them and appears to have been a supply chain attack from a company doing contracting work for them. It was quickly disabled via some kind of update
GrapheneOS won't be using any of their apps and services. GrapheneOS also won't be using their regular vendor code and vendor SELinux policy but rather a more stripped down version close to the standard Qualcomm SDK with the extra drivers, etc. needed on top of that added. It will have less nonsense than with Pixels.
It is important to learn the art of thinking together. All of us think, but we think according to our profession, specialisation, or according to our beliefs and experiences. We all think, objectively or according to our own inclinations, but we never seem to think together, to observe together. We may think about a particular problem or an experience, but this thinking does not go beyond its own limitation. Thinking together, not about a particular subject, but having the capacity to think together, is entirely different. To think together is necessary when you are facing the great crisis that is taking place in the world, the danger, the terror and the ultimate brutality of war. To observe this, not as a capitalist or socialist, not from the extreme left or extreme right, but to observe it together, demands not only that we comprehend how we have come to this rotten state, but also that together we perceive a way out.
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Cooperation is the fun of being and doing together – not necessarily doing something in particular. Young children usually have a feeling for being and doing together – they will cooperate in anything. There is no question of agreement or disagreement, reward or punishment; they just want to help. They cooperate instinctively, for the fun of being and doing together. But grown-up people destroy this natural, spontaneous spirit of cooperation in children by saying, ‘If you do this, I will give you that; if you don't do this, I won't let you go to the cinema,’ which introduces the corruptive element. So, real cooperation comes not through merely agreeing to carry out a project together, but with the joy, the feeling of togetherness, because in that feeling there is not the obstinacy of personal ideation, personal opinion. When you know such cooperation, you also know when not to cooperate, which is equally important. It is necessary for all of us to awaken in ourselves this spirit of cooperation, for then it will not be a mere plan or agreement which causes us to work together, but an extraordinary feeling of togetherness, the sense of joy in being and doing together without any thought of reward or punishment.
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What does it mean to cooperate – not the word but the spirit of it? You cannot cooperate with another, with the earth and its waters, unless you in yourself are harmonious, not broken up, not contradictory. You cannot cooperate if you yourself are under strain, pressure or conflict. How can you cooperate with the universe if you are concerned with yourself, your problems, your ambitions? There can be no cooperation if all your activities are self-centred and you are occupied with your own selfishness, with your own secret desires and pleasures. As long as the intellect with its thoughts dominates your actions, there can be no cooperation, for thought is partial, narrow and everlastingly divisive. Cooperation demands great honesty.
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We know to cooperate with the nation, from which we are going to gain our livelihood, or with an idea for a utopia, because that is going to profit us. We know cooperation under authority, which is compulsion and conformity. But the cooperation we are talking about is entirely different. That cooperation comes only when you care. ‘Care’ is a very simple word, but it has a deep meaning – to care for somebody, to care for a tree, to care for a bird. But we do not care. Please, I am not moralising, I am merely pointing out how important it is to live in this world with care. To care for the room in which you are living, to care how you eat, what your behaviour is, what your manners are.
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Have you ever woken up in the morning and looked out of the window, or gone out and looked at the trees and the spring dawn? Live with it. Listen to all the sounds, to the whisper, the slight breeze among the leaves. See the light on a leaf and watch the sun coming over the hill, over the meadow; and the dry river, or sheep grazing across the hill. Watch them, look at them with a sense of affection and care, that you do not want to hurt a thing. When you have such communion with nature, your relationship with another person becomes simple, clear and without conflict.
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We beget children, we are married, we have families, but we do not know what it means to love. If we loved, if there was love, if there was care, we would find ways and means to fill the stomachs of the poor, to build houses, to do something drastic, independent of the ugly politicians with their words. We do not know what it means to love. And love cannot come to you if you do not understand yourself. That is the only solution in the world: to care profoundly.
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Almost all of us feel responsible for our families and children, but we do not have the feeling of being wholly concerned and committed to the environment around us, to nature, or of being totally responsible for our actions. That absolute care is love. Without this love, there can be no change in society.
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To find out if I am anything more than a product of environmental and climatic influences, I must first be free from the influences which exist about me and of which I am the product. I am the result of the conditions, the absurdities, the superstitions, the innumerable factors, good and bad, which form the environment about me; and to find out if I am something more, I must be free of those influences. To understand something more, I must first understand ‘what is’. Merely to assert that I am something more has no meaning until I am free from the environmental influences of the society in which I am living. Freedom is the discovery of not merely a denial of them; freedom comes with the discovery of truth in everything that is about me – the truth of property, the truth of things, the truth of relationship, the truth of ideas. Without discovering the truth of these things, I cannot find what one may call the abstract truth or God. Being caught in the things about me, the mind cannot go further, cannot see or discover what is beyond. One who is seeking to understand oneself must understand one’s relationship to things, to property, to possessions, to country, to ideas, to people.
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in reply to ✰ Alice D. ✰ • • •It's really crazy (and infuriating) when they say this.
Capitalism is not that old. How do they think villages and communities were built and managed before capitalism?
Also, they will often default to the "who will clean the sewers in a socialist world?".
Man, I'd be happy to clean the sewers, on my own terms and schedule if it could prevent me from waking up every single day at dawn to do fuck all in front of a computer for 8 hours :|
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in reply to Beldarak • • •Totally. If you put somebody like me in charge of cleaning a sewer and gave me free reign and autonomy, I'm pretty sure I'd be reading books about sewers and the history of sewers and would make changes until it did NOT suck to clean anymore...for myself and whoever came after. Anything can be an interesting problem if you're enabled to solve it.
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in reply to ratfactor • • •Yeah, it's easier to improve society when you don't have someone at the top syphoning all ressources
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