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Tio

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A bunch of atoms that are curious about the world, but furious about the society. We should help all humans to have a decent life without any strings attached, so that we can understand us, the atoms, and the rest of the universe. And create a smarter and saner society.

Since 2005 I make documentaries, write books, and enable many trade-free platforms for everyone.

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2 years ago •

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2 years ago •

Seems like lots of flooding recently...are they worse than in the past? Some sources say yes. What is quite a few years new tho, is the absolute morons who film vertically https://ytb.trom.tf/watch?v=525UOgzosA4

I understand this is a tragedy, but if these humans want to film it anyways, and document it, then for fuck sake film it properly else you can't even tell how it started, what is the impact, the aftermath. People with phones, please, don't ruin the human vision. I swear 95% of all videos today are filmed through a fence. You can't really see anything.

Phones need a bloody camera app that films vertically regardless of how you tilt your phone. This is so dumb I feel more outraged by it than floodings. Floodings happen and will keep on happening and this is very tragic, but people documenting these events are beyond retarded.

Yah. Well. Rant done.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

I agree that filming vertically is annoying, especially when you're watching it on a PC. But I'll just say that mobile phones are not as bad as you think they are. You can say that they're mostly used for consuming, but so are PCs these days. The only reason companies turned more towards mobile phones are because more people are using it. And the reason most people use it are mainly because of practical reasons.

I just feel like this is why you're not motivated to fix your sites on mobiles

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

Look, filming vertically is, regardless of the device, not practical. You can barely fit anything in a vertical space when you film. Human vision is 2 eyes that see wide not narrow. I cannot see how this is ok, even when you watch it on the phone is not like you can see more....

It is true I may be biased when it comes to mobile phones, but can you tell me what can they be used for other than consuming content and keeping in touch with others? I am honestly curious since it is such a small device is not like you can create stuff like write books or blog posts (basically valuable thoughts transformed into words), nor can you edit videos or anything else for the matter. So yah I am curious...

You are right computers too are mostly used in the same way, but at least they are fit for doing more than consuming.

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Everyone has their preference I guess. I use both PCs and mobile depending on what I'm doing. I watch videos in landscape as well, most youtube/peertube videos are on landscape and all I have to do is click the fullscreen button and rotate my phone.

I know people who don't even have PCs, cause most of what they do can be done on mobiles, plus phones are cheap. If Tio didn't optimise his sites for mobile screens, he'll loose a lot of people, that's why I brought this up.
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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS Yeah I will optimize them at one point but I was genuinely asking what can you do on the phone except consume media and keep in touch with others? I meant that the screen is so small and the OS is so consumer-driven that I do no think you can create anything relevant on the phone. I was asking because I do not use a phone much at all, and so is the case for my close friends.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

From my experience, most people use phones cause its small and compact. You can fit this on your pocket and bring it everywhere you go, and it'll notify you if someone sends you a text for example. You can even use your phone laying on bed, sitting on a sofa etc.

Sitting on a chair and using a PC for a long time is uncomfortable for me, maybe I should change my posture and buy a more comfortable chair or something, lol 😅

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

For a long time I didn't knew why I should use a PC. Most people use PCs for gaming and production stuff, I did neither. Now I'm using PCs more and more as I learn more about linux & programming :)

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS :P - I for sure agree the compact design is useful. I agree there are many advantages of having a phone like keeping in touch with others or consuming media. But my point was that this device is all for consuming not creating, and thus people who only have phones will ad best tweet or post photos of themselves. That's what they create and how they express themselves. It is no necessary to express yourself and idk write books, make videos, etc.. But phones are designed to be consuming devices from what I can tell.

In any case, I really hope we can see a Manjaro Phone that works and we can customize a mobile TROMjaro so that people consume media without trading their attention and data at least.

And buy you a proper chair. I had back problems for years I felt like dying. Then I bought a "gaming" chair and no more back problems. And I do not game either haha.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

People consume media more than they produce them, and I think that's normal human behavior. How many people do you know IRL that produce content ? like writing books and stuff. Also, if all of us humans started writing books, who would read those books ? Do you think I'll have time to read your books if I started writing books of my own ? lol 😂

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS
haha no no that's not at all my point, my point was (again) that phones are designed for that purpose only. That's my beef with phones. While computers can be used for more uses. It is like I would criticize the TV for being a passive media consuming device and I'd argue the Internet is better since you can both consume and create. Phones are like little TVs in your pocket.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

I deleted and redrafted my previous post to fix an error. Sorry, my bad.

Phone can be used for small productive things, like I occasionally post linux tips on my account for example. They're not well made media like stuff, but still productive IMO ;)

But my main point is that consuming isn't a bad thing in itself. The important question is what you're consuming. Do you think its bad reading your books and watching documentaries just because I'm consuming them ? That's my point.

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS consuming is not inheritable bad of course. But this is in today's context. Android and iOS and both geared towards their own consuming paradigm, and everyone uses those 2 OSes. Combine that with the form factor of such a tiny device, and you have the perfect consuming device.

PCs suffer from the same OS-driven consuming-paradigm (Mac and Windows), but at least their form factor is geared towards either "creating" and expression (see writing books, blogs, making videos, programming, etc.), or better "consumption" (watch long form content, read long form content, and so forth).

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS Maybe I am wrong, of course, but I do not see any depth in terms of consuming media or creating it, on such a narrow device.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

I think I'm fine reading long text on mobiles, I read some of your blogs on my mobile and your book on a tablet device I have. I think I'm more comfortable reading like that 🤔

About watching long medias I agree, I watch documentaries/movies/TROMcasts on my PC. But if I had a better TV, I might watch it there using a USB or something. In short, for most people a mobile and a TV fills all/most of their needs, that's why people use them.

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Rokosun

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

In short, here's my thinking - changing the device you're using doesn't bring much change in your consumption, I'd rather introduce you to good contents like documentaries, educational videos on youtube/peertube etc. because that's the important thing that can actually change your consumption to something better.

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS There is no FOSS functional phone right now so you are bombarded by Apple or Google with ads and trades overall. I tried to declutter my phone many times, it was impossible. I have an Android phone. I do not have control over it. If I want to have no ads experience then it is not as easy to do that on the phone. Apps can be encrypted and no adblocker can block those ads. Browsers (main tool to access the internet) seem like a mess on mobile from my tests, full of notifications and ads, and regardless people are used to "apps" rather than websites.

So phones push you to consume more and more; make you used with the apps idea instead of websites, and apps are either fully controlled by them via their store (so I as a "content creator" can't even add my apps so easily into these "stores"), or these apps are hard to make. Much easier to make a website than so many apps.

Here's an example: a friend of mine wanted to watch our Videoneat content on her iPad. I tried for hours to find an app that lets you download torrent/magnet links. No way. I could not find any.

Another example: a friend wanted a PDF editor, a simple one. On Android the main way to do it is via their store, and we found and installed a bunch to then be faced with 1.000 charlatan judo-moves. We didn't realize many were trials, other limited you in so many ways, and so on. All of them wanted you to trade trade trade.

And my experience is endless. Phones nowadays are owned by 2 companies, and the experience using these phones is very bad. Considering that there is no FOSS working alternative at the moment, then I do not see phones a priority at all since they are already a time bomb haha.

Whenever I'll see a proper FOSS phone I will struggle to make our websites mobile-friendly. And maybe I will give them a better chance.

Right now I see phones as a tool that mainly keeps you busy and it narrows your filed of view, both visually and mentally :D.

Even if there will be a FOSS phone that's good, I hope I won't use it much. Having a computer in your pocket may not be a great idea anyways. Enjoy life while out there ;). That's the way I think and so far it works. And I love that my closest friends are the same.

I think we can agree to disagree on certain aspects, and you may be right since I did not use phones much for the past years, but I still think my points are relevant (at least a bunch of them).

Thanks for engaging and tell me what OS and phone you use, out of curiosity. Maybe I asked you before but I forgot...

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

From reading all of this, I can say that you had a very shitty experience with mobiles. Firstly, I wanna say that mobile apps are a shithole. They're full of ads and premium shit, and I hate them with a passion.

The biggest revelation for me was https://f-droid.org. If you have any friends who use mobiles, tell them about it. All apps on fdroid are FOSS, that means no shitty apps with ads and trackers. Also its similar to linux in that anyone can add a repository, so no lock-in.

F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository

F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to browse, install, and keep track of updates on your device.

^f-droid.org

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Rokosun

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

There are also some other things you can do to improve android, this video explains it well - https://tube.privacytools.io/videos/watch/e7e4b441-26b8-4f67-bfa2-1055888068c8
Although this video is talking from a privacy/security perspective, it'll also reduce most of the trades like ads and stuff.

On my personal device, I have installed lineageOS without any kind of Google apps, so my device is currently completely google-free. I understand that lineageOS don't support many devices, and that sucks. But most popular device models are supported.

The Complete Android Privacy & Security Guide: The Best Protection!

The ultimate guide showing how to make Android as secure, private, and anonymous as you need it to be.

^{PrivacyTools PeerTube}

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Rokosun

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

BTW, I also like to note that ios is much more worse than android. Everything is locked down on ios and there is no fdroid for it. App availability also sucks compared to android, that's probably why you couldn't find a torrent client on ipad. TBH, I don't really know why people use ios. I mean, apple devices are too pricey, you can buy a PC for that money. But android is usually cheaper than a PC, so many people in developing countries only have access to that.

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

@Future is FOSS You make me mo comfortable with phones and because you are such a kind human and help me understand better your point of view, then I am more likely to change my views ;). Thank you!

And yup I know about f-droid but that is a bit cumbersome to deal with. Updates are not automatic, nor is a way to update all apps at once. I use it too, it is my only "app library" on my phone in case I need any app on my phone. But I can't stand google+samsung they piss me off quire often. I hope in the next 2-3 years a good Linux phone will be out there and I'd love to test it a bit. Maybe I will start to love phones haha, although I can never see myself using them that much nor film in portrait mode :))

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

Currently the state of linux phones are not that great. But I like to believe that this is a first step towards something better and more open.

If you asked me which is better - linux or android, I'll always go with linux 100%. Being a more advanced user, I probably use more of the freedom & choice offered by linux ;)

The only thing I disagree with you is when you said that mobile is bad purely based on its form factor, I like to believe that every technology has its own advantages :)

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