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Re-inventing the federated wheel because you don't know that wheels exist


in reply to Jupiter Rowland

It's me. I had no idea. Wow. I have some reading to do.
(Thanks!)
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

If my account is on a Mastodon server, using a Masto app (Fedilab), can I see "quote tweets" from Misskey et al users? Or do those messages just get dropped?
in reply to serious business :donor:

@serious business :donor: This may depend on how exactly quotes are formatted.

I think it's usually only a case of the formatting being stripped so that Mastodon users can't see what and how much of a post is a quote. For example, Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) use good old BBcode, and Mastodon strips off all formatting that comes from BBcode except [url][/url] (ActivityPub actually uses Rich Text to transmit formatting).

Other projects may use the even older leading >. Stripping it makes little sense, but Mastodon doesn't recognise it as a quote yet.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

pixelfed is not there yet. You can't change who has access to a post after you have posted, you can't upload in-bulk/collections, there's no exif image info, no space to publish model and photographer releases...
It can become something great, but don't expect people to adopt en masse until it reaches a more mature state.
Same for other projects in similar state.
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in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. #ActivityPub. The language which (most of) the #Fediverse speaks.

It is how Mastodon instances talk to other Mastodon instances. And it is how, for example, Pleroma instances talk to Mastodon instances. Or to each other.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

okay well, how many steps (and which) do you need to take to fav or boost this linked post? https://chaos.social/@SoniEx2/110023142899250535

and what if it were posted on something like IRC or email instead, how many/which steps would it take then?
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

yes, which steps you, personally, as a hubzilla user, would be forced to take by the various cross-interacting software (between the OS, the browser/desktop app, the window manager, the instance, and whatever else might be of relevance), to be able to interact with said post from your fedi account?
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. Since I don't have that post in my stream:

Step 1: Copy the URL.

Step 2: Click on the magnifying glass for search.

Step 3: Paste the URL into the search field.

Step 4: Hit Enter. The post should appear now.

Step 5: Do with it as I please. Share, like, reply, save in a folder, whatever.

Basically, interaction with any post is only one search away.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

okay, so from something like IRC or email you have:

1. copy the URL
2. manually switch to the browser, then to the instance
3. click search
4. paste URL
5. finally, hit enter

whereas something like twitter it's just

1. click URL

do you see the problem? do you see why fedi is bleeding users?
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. Well, if we were to put ease-of-use above everything else for everyone, we should shut down all projects that aren't Mastodon and then turn Mastodon into a 100%, 1:1 Twitter clone with the only exceptions being the name and the fact that Mastodon isn't owned by Elon Musk. Make mastodon.com both the project website and the only instance, make Mastodon one huge centralised monolithic silo owned by a Mastodon, Inc. in Palo Alto, CA (NASDAQ: MSDN).

Hubzilla wasn't launched in 2022 in a reaction to the launch of Mastodon which in turn was a reaction upon Musk's Twitter takeover. Mastodon was launched in 2016 with no mobile app. And Hubzilla had its 1.0 release in 2015, development began in 2012, and the target audience wasn't the tech-illiterate iPhone user, it was the Linux geek.

Mastodon wasn't built to be mainstream. Hubzilla was even less built to be mainstream.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

so the linux geek should be forced to put up with that crap because demanding better of your tools is too much to ask for?

is it really made for the linux geek, or for the C89 evangelist? because even the modern linux geek uses rust nowadays, complete with borrow checker. but the C89 evangelist will claim turning on -Wall is against the spirit of C. why *not* demand better of mastodon and hubzilla, too?
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

1100 words of mythology, misrepresentation and bullshit. congratulations, my dude, congratulations.
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

@Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L. It's basically the same as "If #Linux wants to take over the desktop, it'll have to become identical to #Windows, just free-of-charge and without malware. No more distros, one Linux for everyone, one desktop environment, one graphical toolkit, only one of each, whatever it is."

Linux never wanted to take over the desktop.
in reply to Genders: ♾️, 🟪⬛🟩; Soni L.

@jupiter_rowland
  • click url
  • unable to favorite tweet due to being permanently banned by the single twitter instance in existence.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Funny how, in spite of the rising number of likes, many people seem to misunderstand what I've written.

Here's a short explanation.

People: We want bold type and italics and stuff in the Fediverse! And quote-tweets! And more than 500 characters! Please, #Mastodon, include it!

Me: Join #Akkoma (), and you've got your bold type and italics and quote-tweets and thousands of characters! And you can still talk to people on Mastodon! Easy as that.

Or if you don't like Akkoma, try #Pleroma ().
Or #MissKey ().
Or #CalcKey ().
Or #GoToSocial (https://gotosocial.org/).
Or if you don't mind something bigger, #Friendica (https://friendi.ca/).
Or if you don't mind a hard-to-handle feature monster, #Hubzilla (#^https://hubzilla.org/).
And all of them let you stay in contact with your friends on Mastodon.

#MastodonIsNotTheFediverse. Nor is Mastodon the best the #Fediverse has to offer.

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in reply to Jupiter Rowland

You gave us so many options that I dont know where to go to now! 😁
in reply to f4grx Sebastien (OLD ACCOUNT)

same here, I just bookmarked the post so I can come back to it when I'm more used to all this. New universes take time to understand lol. I feel like a refugee that has also time traveled, it's so cool.
in reply to LittleRedCanary

Mastodon is like a gateway drug and the fediverse is like... All the other drugs? Idk where I was going with this...
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: re: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

I’m not sure most people want a lot of that extra stuff though, and it’s super confusing for new people otherwise.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Kermode

@Kermode The different projects use different markup languages for formatting.

Some microblogging projects use Markdown, some HTML in addition. Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) use an extended variant of BBcode.

ActivityPub turns everything into Rich Text afterwards.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

I didn't know that! Thanks.
I use joplin for notes, so I know md to some extent. Joplin also has 'extended' the md, so... I don't really know how much I know is actually transferable. Like tables for example. No idea, but they're handy.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

@basisbit There may be a few who were given the choice between multiple projects (e.g. Mastodon vs Akkoma vs Friendica etc.) right away, also being told that they'd have the exact same people to connect to, regardless of what they choose, and who chose what appeared as the closest to Twitter.

But for each of them, you have thousands upon thousands who were only told about Mastodon, who were told that Mastodon is the Fediverse, either on Twitter or by mass-media. Including thousands to whom mastodon.social was sold as "Twitter without Musk" because nothing more fit into 280 characters.

It's them I'm talking about.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

See me second comment which I wrote a few hours ago as answer to my first comment 😒
in reply to basisbit 🦈🇪🇺🇺🇦

@basisbit I've already seen it before replying. And I think my previous answer already covers it.

Yes, a few people were shown the whole Fediverse before joining. Out of all projects, they picked Mastodon because it seemed the most simple and the closest to Twitter to them.

Others were shown the whole Fediverse before joining, and they picked something that isn't Mastodon because they found Mastodon to be too lacking.

Most were only shown Mastodon, usually only one instance. They didn't get to choose because they didn't know they had a choice, much less what their choices would have been.

Some of the latter actually don't want there to be anything else than Mastodon. They want the Fediverse to be as simple as possible. Multiple Mastodon instances are already too complicated. Multiple different projects in the Fediverse, each with multiple instances, now, that really goes too far. Everything that isn't Mastodon has to go, also because everything that isn't Mastodon is too complicated all in itself.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to RockyC

@Rocky Carr Good to know it takes only one afternoon to read my stuff.

Also explains my number of followers...
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

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in reply to Slyphic

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

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in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: re: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to acb

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to dpflug

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Functionally, the Fediverse seems to be roughly old email (SMTP) minus a few vital features. One of them is the mandatory "subject" line, so that when you check your "inbox" in the Fediverse you get the whole messages, rather than just a list of sender/subject lines that you can choose whether to open or not.

>>
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in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

But that is BAD, VERY BAD! So the Fediverse is split into a myriad platforms -- and hence communities -- with incompatible features.

That may be great for the computer nerds who will join a dozen platforms just to revel in the features. It is terrible for those who only want a platform to communicate with other people...

#Fediverse #FediverseFragmentation
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in reply to Jorge Stolfi

Nope, you got it wrong. Hint: count the number of characters in the toot you just replied to—it's well over 500, because it didn't originate on a Mastodon server! It's a federated system, so every client can read stuff posted on any other server that supports ActivityPub. (Imagine you could read Twitter tweets on your Facebook page. Only more so.) If all you want to do is to toot, that's fine—everyone else can see you just fine.
in reply to Charlie Stross

But what happens when a message with fancy formatting/threading/etc is read by someone from a server that does not support such features?
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

The message gets transmitted to the client, whose reader is then responsible for displaying/formatting that message (or not, if it lacks the capability). This isn't new. It's how the internet worked 20 years ago, before all these gigantic corporate silos took over. (I shouldn't need to explain this to you, should I …? Graceful degradation of capabilities isn't an new requirement …)
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in reply to Charlie Stross

But that is my point. Email and Usenet had a standard message format (ascii text, unfortunately, because that was before Unicode). Every valid server was supposed to issue only compliant messages and properly display any compliant message. This does not seem to be the case in the Fediverse, is it?
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

@Jorge Stolfi @Jupiter Rowland @Charlie Stross

out of curiosity, what do you see if I use italic or bold text on my platform?

or even a block quote (which I'm sure is not supported by mastodon)
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

Does your message above have any such markups? I don't see any -- just plain text, with no italics or bold.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

@Jorge Stolfi @Jupiter Rowland @Charlie Stross

that's what I expected: I don't know whether it's my platform (friendica) that sends stuff that knows that the target can read (plain unicode text) or mastodon that specifically ignores the bbcode (yeah, friendica uses bbcode for markup, for historical reasons I believe).
in reply to Elena ``of Valhalla''

ActivityPub supports markup and the Frendica BBCode gets translated and passed along. It's Mastodon that doesn't support it and throws it away on their end.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

ActivityPub is that standard. Just because the client you're using doesn't bother to make use of some of that standard, doesn't mean there's not one. If the email client you choose to use only displays in plain text with no formatting, does that mean there is something wrong with the standards for email message formatting? NO, you're just choosing to not use all the features you prefer.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

#Email has supported different content-types since at least 1992 (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1341) with no guarantee any given client supports any given content-type, none of this is new.

#Usenet & #Fidonet also had ways prior to #MIME, such as via extension headers (with flaws that MIME addressed).
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in reply to Jorge Stolfi

Think back to the early web, when a browser like Mosaic didn't support just http: but also ftp: gopher: nntp: and other protocols. The message formatting was implicit in the protocol used. And worse: different browsers implemented different versions of HTML.
in reply to Charlie Stross

It strikes me as weird that we're able to have this discussion on a number of different federated ActivityPub servers, using a growing variety of front-ends, and still there are people complaining that it's not working as well as it should, because reasons.

I still don't know what I'm supposed to make of fact that some people don't know the difference between Mastodon and Hubzilla. Well if it comes to that, they don't need to know. It all works just fine anyway, as long as you can grasp that users are identified by at username at instance instead of at username.
in reply to Flittermouse :ablobbass: :ablobdrum: :ablobkeyboard: :blobcatenby:

Are we indeed able to dicuss Fediverse-wide? Or just among those who use a particular prootcol (ActivityPub?)?

And even within the latter, there seem to be obvious problems. I don't see any markups in other people's messages (e.g. cant tell block quotes from the sender's own text). And I am limited to 500 byte posts, so I cannot quote 1000 chars from a post that someone else sent me.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

in reply to Jupiter Rowland

Content warning: tl;dr: All that cool new stuff you want in the Fediverse already exists in the Fediverse, right outside of Mastodon

Unknown parent

huh? I thought boosting didn't transmit the content, but sent a reference to the content, and an identifyer of who posted the reference.
People on platforms capable of displaying the original content, should not be effected by your platforms ability to interpret that content.
Unknown parent

I get the italics, bold, and block quotes, too. If somebody isn't getting that, and it's important enough to them, they can easily migrate to an instance that will provide the markup. I actually did that myself a couple of weeks ago, but for reasons unrelated to the capabilities of the social media server. My old account was on a Mastodon instance called musician.social, and my new account is running Akkoma, a hard fork of Pleroma.

Despite running a completely different implementation, Akkoma was capable of migrating my Mastodon followers, followed, and other settings over. My old posts couldn't be migrated, but I find this limitation acceptable. I can understand why some may be wary of migrating.
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in reply to Flittermouse :ablobbass: :ablobdrum: :ablobkeyboard: :blobcatenby:

Perusing the description in this link, https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ it seems to me that ActivityPub is a standard protocol for the exchange of FILES, leaving their interpretation entirely to users; rather than a protocol for exchange of MESSAGES (including blogposts, articles, etc) -- that is, textual/visual/auditory artifacts, possibly with embedded or attached files. Is this correct.? >>
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

In this regard (apart from interaction model), ActivityPub is more like old FTP, rather than SMTP+MIME, NNTP, the WWW, and the "social networks".

That is, AP does not try to ensure that a message sent by a user from a compliant server can be read faithfully (apart from non-semantic layout and looks) by recipients in every other server. Because the sender may use a message format that the receiver can't properly handle.

Is this correct?
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

I'm not an implementer, but it's my understanding that the recipient can tell the sender what it can handle, while the sender may include a source attribute containing the original content, as well as the transformed content that complies with the recipient's stated requirements.

I think somebody above referred to the notion of degrading gracefully, and that's certainly possible using such mechanisms.
in reply to Flittermouse :ablobbass: :ablobdrum: :ablobkeyboard: :blobcatenby:

Yes, but that is still not good. Within ActivityPub, one cannot write a *message* that, a priori, is known to be correctly readable by any of the intended recipients -- unless it is a short (< 500 bytes) text in plain ascii, with no italics, boldface, or other markup, and no embedded images... >>

#Fediverse #ActivityPub #FediverseFragmentation
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

>> For the ActivityPub network to be a better alternative to social networks, or even to WWW, the ActivityPub standard should specify a *message* format -- such as HTML 3.0 -- that is rich enough for modern expectations (embedded images and hyperlinks, tables, etc.), but that every compliant implementation is required to handle and display properly, on any minimally powerful platform.

#Fediverse #ActivityPub
#FediverseFragmentation
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

Sorry. I have been using ">>" to indicate continuation in threads. A habit I carried over from the bird⌫⌫⌫⌫dogecoin site. My mastodon instance limits posts to 500 bytes.

Would "🧵‍>" be the proper way here?
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

@Jorge Stolfi, why do you continue to use Mastadon when it clearly doesn't meet your requirements? As everyone has been pointing out, there are many other ways to interact with the Fediverse that have the features you seem to want. Stop torturing yourself with Mastadon; investigate your options and move to an instance which has similar ideals to your own. Then you can be happy with the Fediverse and help to educate others on what you've experienced.
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Jorge Stolfi
@eshep

I wish someone had warned me of that 4 months ago, when I joined through mas.to. Oh well.

But the problem is not what kind of text **I** can read and write. It is **lack of interoperability**. It is the fact that, no matter in which server I am hosted, I cannot be sure that everyone who gets my posts will be able to read them correctly -- unless I write only 500 chars of plain ascii.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

@Jorge Stolfi, did you not look into any other instances before choosing mast.to? What made you decide that it was the right place for you? Maybe using the most limiting implementation is the correct choice for that goal. Public audience webpages should probably only be written in plaintext without images as well ensuring everyone is able to read them.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

I encourage you to leave the Fediverse filter bubble every now and then. IMHO it can be useful to look further outside the box: Remember - the conventional media - newspapers, letters on paper, radio, TV, ah yes - and personal communication - they still exist. Maybe it makes sense in some communication scenarios to simply fall back on the old proven means of communication instead of encapsulating yourself in the Fediverse bubble? Instead of burning time and programming capacities in attempts to teach the many platforms certain features, e.g. "quote-tweets".
in reply to eshep

@eshep I guess that @Jorge Stolfi was a) told that #Mastodon is the #Fediverse and b) given mas.to as the URL to go to instead of joinmastodon.org.

So whoever guided him to Mastodon either didn't know better themselves or wanted to make it as easy for newcomers as possible, short-cutting the instance selection process by directing them immediately to one instance and not even telling them that such a thing as instances exist.

It happened on Twitter all the time, also because there's only so much you can explain in 280 characters. That's why you have people who joined in November during the #TwitterMigration, who didn't find out about instances and Mastodon's decentral nature until February, and who didn't find out that there's more to the Fediverse than only Mastodon until March.

They were guided by tweets such as
go to mastodon its literally twitter without musk

or in this case
go to mastodon its literally twitter without musk
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

@Jupiter Rowland, to be fair, Mastadon is about as twitter as AP gets. 😁 It almost feels like the twitteriness of mastodon is there intentionally to give people who've been directed to it as an alternative a bad taste for it so they either head back or persist in their dislike of that system.

It really burns my ass when I see posts like those. People pushing things they know nothing about. It's really quite sad how few people understand the "federation" part of FediVerse.
in reply to eshep

Indeed I had never heard of the Fediverse or Mastodon when I decided to leave Twitter. Some contacts who did that suggested I move to mastodon. How could I choose between instances before joining them? 🧵‍>
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

🧵‍> Wepages HAVE a basic standard (HTML 3.0, or the equivalent subset of HTML 5.0) that includes bold, italic, images, section headers, tables, lists, etc. By writing my web posts using that subset, I am sure that they can be read in practically every graphics browser, on mostly any platform. The looks may be different, but the semantic contents will get through. 🧵‍>
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

🧵‍> It seems that for the Fediverse, maybe even for Mastodon, the only message format that can be read by everybody is 500 chars plain Unicode without any markup. Plus maybe one poll and a few images -- but only at the end of the post and with fixed size.

I will probably move to some other instance soon. However, the above constraint applies *no matter where I have my account.* That is the problem...
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

Say you do move to an instance where you're able to read/write >5000 char/post yet you choose to restrict your posts to a size compatible with instances that have made a choice to not be able to read more than say 500 char/post. Are you not then encouraging that restriction to remain as it is? Why not create your posts in full and educate your readers who have that issue as to why they're not able to read it? That would at least be an active effort in promoting a correction to the problem. Simply complaining that others have what you want does nothing to help anyone.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

@Jorge Stolfi @eshep @Elena ``of Valhalla'' @𝗝𝗮𝗸𝗼𝗯 :𝗳𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗰𝗮: 🇦🇹 ✅ @Charlie Stross For example, instead of pointing you straight at one instance, someone could have pointed you here (for Mastodon only):

Now, choosing a project rather than an instance of one set project is more difficult without knowing anything about any of them other that they're probably not owned by Elon Musk.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

I'm no longer on Mastodon, but when I used musician.social sometimes a longer post would show up. I think it was split up into 500-character chunks somehow. You're right about the interoperability problem.

But the upside is that we can just move to a different server and take our followers with us. I'm sorry if people think that's irrelevant, but it's a really good selling point for me. The degree to which I can communicate with people is in my own hands.
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

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Jorge Stolfi
Thanks for the patient advice!

Here on mas.to I cannot read your long messages directly on the timeline. Only the first 500 chars show. I must click on the post and then it is displayed whole in a separate sub-window. Still without markup etc.

🧵‍>
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

🧵‍> But I must dispute "They all can interact together as you are used to interact only from twitter to twiter..." Again, even if I move to friendica, but want my posts to be correctly readable by anyone on the Fediverse, I must still stick to the small Mastodon format...

That is worse than what I had on Usenet or email, 35 years ago.. ☹️

Any chance that Mastodon and the other instances can agree to support a common HTML-3 like message format?
in reply to eshep

@eshep That's what I do. And it's always the same.

"How can you possibly write more than 500 characters in a toot?"

I'm on Hubzilla.

"Oh, is that a special Mastodon instance with a higher character limit?"

No, it's a different, fully separate Fediverse project that not only is not Mastodon, but that's four years older than Mastodon with next to no character limit and features that exceed your wildest dreams. #^https://hubzilla.org

[beat] "You're not on Mastodon?"

No.

"But how can I read your posts then if you aren't on Mastodon?"

Because Hubzilla, like many other projects that aren't Mastodon, connects to Mastodon. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. There are many many other projects out there. All of them can talk to Mastodon, and Mastodon can talk to all of them.

[Worldview-shattering noises] "HOLY SWEET JOHN MASTODON ON A POGO STICK, BATMAN! WHAT THE EVER-LOVING FUCK?!?!?!"
in reply to Jorge Stolfi

in reply to Jupiter Rowland