Hi. Don't mind me. I appreciate your contributions in making the FediVerse that much better.

I'm just responding to a need to express myself in a manner consistent with my being, so you should probably just ignore the next paragraph.

"ONBOARD" IS NOT A VERB!!!! "ONBOARD" IS NOT EVEN AN ENGLISH WORD!! "ON BOARD" IS A PREPOSITIONAL ADJECTIVE PHRASE THAT DOES NOT TAKE A DIRECT OBJECT!

Okay, all done. We now return to our regular programming.

@stefan @fediversenews

#GrammarNazi

@eco_amandine Thank you!

I like the idea, and it would make a lot of sense. Let me give this some more thought.

Not a UX expert but that looks umm, insane to me.

Every single service is a new and often weird word, so that’s not plain language.
Example: People care about their Twitter network, which of the five weird names should they choose to replicate Twitter? There’s no indication. Not to mention none are all that similar to Twitter user base, which leads to disappointment.

Thanks for the link to jointhefediverse.net.

It is an amazingly attractive quick introduction to the Fediverse and it guides people to open Fediverse alternatives for the closed platforms that they are currently used to.

>Fediverse is a common name for social media sites that cooperate instead of competing.

this may be more correct: sites that ban and block instead of competing

@m @mahaska @paulschoe Out of curiosity, which do you think people would be more drawn to?

I don't have a specific favorite, I'm just curious what people think most new users would pick if they had to pick on features alone.

Like in my case, I like Mastodon, but I'm really open to trying anything at this point.

@Alexx9811 @m @mahaska
Unfortunately, I do not believe that people chose on features.
People choose on 3 items:
1) Hype
2) Recommendations.
3) Ease of signing up

Based on hype, I expect that BlueSky will get the largest initial growth. That despite the fact that Jack Dorsey has even said that he likes to replace 'likes' by financial endorsements (mini payments), which he calls: real commitment. This clearly shows what a wolf in sheep's clothes BlueSky is.

@paulschoe @m @mahaska Oh absolutely agree on the reasons why people choose the networks they choose.

I just meant in your opinion if people did actually put features first, what would be your top choices?

@Alexx9811 @m @mahaska
2/2
Based on Ease of signing up, Mastodon comes clearly behind those centralised solutions even though decentralised is what I think people really want.

That means that I put my faith in recommendations. Unfortunately, most of these only occur once people have been burned by choosing based n Hype or on Ease of signing up.

@paulschoe @m @mahaska That makes sense. I'm kind of interested in Calckey as it looks like it might have some things that look pretty cool.

I think it ultimately comes back to what's been said before, the reason Twitter and such are so popular is the plug and play nature of it.

One signs up and they can follow their friends and in cases like Twitter, celebrities and whatnot. Until that's easier anywhere else, I see Bluesky being the most popular.

@Alexx9811 @paulschoe @m @mahaska

I believe that in order to improve the onboarding UX, fediverse apps should not be more complicated than Bluesky. We need to empathize more at the app client level and prioritize safe defaults for new users to learn the ropes with the app, even if it means risking the preferences of long-time users

@Paul Schoe

I think that says a lot about how Dorsey sees the platform (and how he saw Twitter): A place where celebrities / influencers provide content to consumers, not a network of peers. He's not building a social network, he's building a parasocial network.

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@beans @Alexx9811 @m @mahaska
It is not that difficult to streamline the onboarding process of the Fediverse.

Making one central port of access while allowing individual instances to participate in that or not (many won't, and that is no problem).

But this requires an investment at the top and at this moment, the funding for that is simply not available.

To get it done, crowdfunding is required as there is no clear path to ROI for commercial investors.

@mahaska @Alexx9811 @paulschoe @m I'm sorry, for centralized social networks theres not much we can do :/

However, there are talks of having a bridge between AT proto and ActivityPub. So, lets say the influencers go to Bluesky and a meaningful fraction of my friends too. We could have an app that fetches those posts and add them into your feed

Totally agreed. What does complicates things somewhat is that Mastodon due to its dominant position has grown an ecosystem of connected apps that other systems don't really have.

So when you give new users the option to choose between the main server software options, but then also include 3rd party app support in the list, I do think people would choose Mastodon. If we compare vanilla server software, Mastodon would be last on my list. But once we factor in things like @phanpy@hachyderm.io it becomes a nobrainer option for Mastodon again for me. Not because of Mastodon, but because Phanpy is simply that good.

And yeah, I'm very much waiting until Phanpy supports other services (or the services implement masto API fully), because that'll be a real gamechanger imo.

Maybe it only backfills after following? I haven't checked the profile of a followed user. It seems to function pretty much identically to how it's been on Mastodon, at least for me. Maybe I'm just not sure what profile backfilling is, if not filling in posts from before...

also I'm pretty sure my handle having "calckey.social" gives away that I'm using calckey 😆

I've looked at this as the difference between a social network and social Media. A network is where everything and everyone talks to each other, whereas social media tends to be a feed of dubious quality quasi-information.

@mnemonicoverload@libranet.de@paulschoe@mastodon.world@mahaska@kolektiva.social@Alexx9811@mastodon.social@m@thias.hellqui.st@atomicpoet@mastodon.social@stefan@stefanbohacek.online@fediversenews@venera.social

@m @mahaska @paulschoe Thank you for that. It's cool to hear people's thoughts.

I am naturally curious about tech, but often my reach exceeds my grasp in terms of understanding everything. I feel like I know more than a casual social media user, but I'm definitely not as well versed as many people on here who really get this stuff at a level I don't.

@unattributed @m @mahaska @paulschoe @mnemonicoverload Ah, another interesting distinction! That's true so far in my experience.

One largely disseminates information from whichever person happens to have a microphone at any given moment in time to people who absorb and react to information, whereas the other is people trading or sharing information amongst themselves as a peer group.

Yes, the idea of the media (newspapers, television, movies. etc.) is typically uni-directional.

However, a network is typically multi-directional... There maybe nodes or branches in the pathway, but even the lowest leaf can communicate with along any path of the tree efficiently.

There are quite a few analegies that can be used for thiese types of structures.

@Alexx9811@mastodon.social@atomicpoet@mastodon.social@stefan@stefanbohacek.online@m@thias.hellqui.st@mahaska@kolektiva.social@paulschoe@mastodon.world@mnemonicoverload@libranet.de@fediversenews@venera.social

@m I’m trying different combinations. I have a bunch of computers, but the screens are full of work stuff, so I don’t really use them for social media. I use mobile.
I’ve got CalcKey/Kimis, Friendica/Relatica and Mastodon/Ice Cubes

So far the Mastodon/Ice Cubes combo is the fastest and most generally useful, but I’m annoyed I’m missing out on long posts when I want them, and not seeing/sending emoji reactions.