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Are Tuxedo and Slimbook rebrands of a Hong-Kong laptop company?


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in reply to Tio

@Nick @ The Linux Experiment what do you think about your sponsor Tuxedo advertising that they make the laptops in germany tuxedocomputers.com/ (see bottom of the website) while they are rebrands of the tongfangpc Hong Kong company? hk.tongfangpc.com/thin-and-lig…

Or that they claim their laptops are made out of magnesium alloy when in fact are plastic with magnesium alloy steamed on them? Something they confirmed to me several times over email.

Not bad laptops at all, but deceiving practice in my view.

in reply to Tio

They’re not rebrands, they’re chassis from other companies, they assemble the computers entirely in Germany, AFAIK.
As per the magnesium, I don’t know the difference between an alloy or vapor bonding. Not issues at all for me, especially after using these devices, I can attest if their quality.
in reply to Nick @ The Linux Experiment

Well at best they are "assembled in Germany" but not "made in Germany". If that's not deceiving...

And I wonder if they are even assembled more than changing the ram, ssd, or the motherboard. Like add them to chassis. In any case maybe we can tag @TUXEDO Computers to clear some things up...
in reply to Tio

Except regional labels like that can be more or less permissive. Like Swiss Made for watches doesn’t mean everything has to be made in Switzerland. Maybe Made in Germany doesn’t require to be that strict either, while still being allowed to use that term. In any case, I don’t give a crap about that stuff, what matters is the quality of the final product!
in reply to Nick @ The Linux Experiment

Except regional labels like that can be more or less permissive


Yeah well I care more about why would you try to use that label anyway. Marketing I suppose.

don’t give a crap about that stuff, what matters is the quality of the final product!


Of course the quality matters, but being deceptive is a red flag. Are they also deceptive about the materials used for the laptop? Or other things? idk...

in reply to Tio

That’s not deceptive, that’s a term they might be legally allowed to use. Just like “Made in France” here: people know it doesn’t mean every si file thing came from France.
in reply to Nick @ The Linux Experiment

Nah that's naive. Let's be honest. If they say on their main page "made in Germany" but it is made in Hong Kong, that's objectively deceptive. If I order from China, via Amazon, a pair of headphones, then I paint them and put a logo on them and say they are made in Spain, that would be deceptive at best.

Again, nothing wrong with the laptops being made in Hong Kong. And they seem good quality. But what they do in terms of marketing is deceptive at best.

in reply to Tio

From what I know, they pick all the components that go inside, they assemble them, they test the hardware, etch the keyboard layouts and logos, develop drivers or improve on existing ones, and work on their own suite of software to enable it to work well with the device. That’s more than enough for me to differentiate their devices from just rebranding!
in reply to Nick @ The Linux Experiment

Ok. That's still "assembled in Germany" at best.

Anyway didn't want to bother you, but was an interesting find for me. Thanks for the input, maybe Tuxedo can also reply.

in reply to Tio

If you click on the icon, you will get a lot of information on what we do and also on the assembling of our devices.
in reply to TUXEDO

Interesting. Every-time I clicked that link it redirected me to the homepage. So it seems that if you select EN for your website, then click that "made in germany" it basically sends you to the same EN homepage.

Now that you sent me the link directly it worked. But it is only in German.

I have translated it but the translation is not great I suppose. From what I understood you guys are choosing the hardware that is most compatible with Linux (although Nvidia is notoriously not very compatible). And then you develop some software for it as seen here github.com/tuxedocomputers

I understand that the hardware is ordered from companies such as Tongfang, assembled there or at times in Germany. You also provide a repair shop for these laptops.

Did I get it right?

If so, I think the wording is misleading. These laptops (the hardware) are not "made" in Germany, but at best "assembled" in germany together with some basic software support.

Would it be more fair to change that and say "Assembled in Germany with custom-made software support"?

in reply to TUXEDO

I think many people would feel outraged if Apple advertised on their website "Made in the USA". Even tho Apple, from my knowledge, designs some components themselves and do most of the software for their products. Still, you can't call that "Made in the USA" because it is not made in the USA. At best "Designed, developed and assembled in the USA". I hope you get my point.
in reply to Tio

If you hadn't bought this up then I would've for sure thought that Tuxedo and Slimbook makes their own hardware from the ground up, makes sense why the Slimbook people don't want to provide you that information. But to be fair, designing & making laptops from the ground up is expensive, so its not a bad thing what they're doing in terms of improving linux compatibility. I just wish they were a bit more honest about what they're doing.

BTW, That company's name is TongFang, not TongFeng.

in reply to Rokosun

Yeah that's what I don't like if they give the impression that they make these laptops. Call me crazy but if I see on a website that sells laptops "Made in Germany" I would expect the laptop to be made in Germany....
in reply to Tio

I wonder if they just customize the laptops a bit and resell them, at least that's what I get from that YouTube comment. If this TongFeng company sells completely assembled laptops then why does Tuxedo & Slimbook have to reassemble them? That youtube comment mentioned they do keyboard lasering and chassis logo printing, maybe that's what they're referring to as "assembling" ? 🤷

TBF, their work on software and all is great, its just that there's not enough transparency from their part.

in reply to Rokosun

Even if they assemble in Germany it is misleading to say "Made in Germany". Their software work is all good, and all that. Great that they contribute the the FOSS community. But I still think putting "Made in Germany" on their main page is misleading. And I am quite sure it is done consciously since people associate germany with well-made products. So I believe they use that as a marketing strategy.

And just to say this, I do not want to "stab" Tuxedo or anything like that, but if I see such practices I will be vocal, regardless if they also do some good for the Open Source world.

in reply to Tio

> Even if they assemble in Germany it is misleading to say "Made in Germany".

This maybe a bit subjective, because there are many steps involved in manufacturing something. When that TongFang company says that their product is made in China, they probably mean its assembled in China, I'm not sure if all the individual components are made in China itself. Or maybe it is, IDK 🤷

Also its good that you are vocal about such things, I don't think you're being rude, its honest criticism.

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in reply to Rokosun

It baffles me that it can be subjective....if you say "This laptop is made in Germany", but you order the hardware (and perhaps entire laptops) from somewhere else (regardless where), then it is beyond me how that sentence makes any sense. Maybe that Hong Kong company also orders parts from somewhere else, regardless I was talking about "not being made in Germany" but at best "assembled and customized in Germany".

My experience with this world tells me that this is a marketing scheme.

in reply to Tio

Of course the hardware has to be made in the country at least, but the framework and stuff could be imported from other parts and assembled there, I think that's how most products are made, rarely a product is made entirely in one country. I don't think Tuxedo & Slimbook could claim they make the laptop themselves, since its made by the TongFang company. So that is probably a marketing scheme like you say, they make it appear like they build their laptops from the ground up.
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