So Mozilla VPN is "free" but you can cancel your subscription withing 30 days and get a refund. REFUND FOR WHAT?!
This world has lost its marbles entirely. The word "free" has no meaning at all anymore. Yeah it is free....psst just for like 10 days or it is so limited you have to purchase the "pro" version....
Fuck them! These charlatans.
That's why our trade-free project that we launched and are making a documentary about, is fucking important. It cuts through this shit like a knife through butter.
Apply W.A.I.T. : What Am I Trading? A simple question. What do they want form me in return for this product/service? If they want my data, attention (ads), currency, something else, then it is trade-based. Never follow the money, follow the trades to see where these charlatans are hiding.
So yeah, wtf is Mozilla doing? If they want my currency then fuck them, this is not "free", it is trade-based. #tromlive
UPDATE: For those who may be confused since they see prices, I and millions of others from other parts of the world than you, we do not see any prices. This is what we see:
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in reply to Tio • • •yeah that section probably would make more sense to label as something like "Why is MozillaVPN a paid service?"
I don't know of many other free VPNs but I'm sure there's at least a couple 😅 or some with free-tier plans?
> Also they do not make it clear at all that this is a paid-for service
what is this based on? the landing page that you link to lists subscription plans for the product 🤨
Tio
in reply to Andrew Chou • •That is trade-based nothing to do with free. :P
On this page mozilla.org/en-US/products/vpn… and I suppose it is the main page, they do not say this is a paid-for product. They never mention that from what I could see. In any case, they make it entirely confusing by:
This, to me, sounds like they provide a free VPN since they call their competitors "free VPNs".
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in reply to Tio • • •think it's at the very least implied that it's a service that you pay for given the subscription plans section, which comes before the FAQ section you're referring to. sure, it doesn't say in big bold text "this costs money" but as someone who looked at that page for the first time recently, it seemed clear enough to me.
Again, you have a point in that the section in question would probably benefit from a rewording
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in reply to Tio • • •oh that'd be a major twist in this debacle 😅 yeah I'm seeing prices for two different subscription options on that page. curious to know what you're (not) seeing. (other option is not show in screenshot due to screen size 😄)
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in reply to Tio • • •They are competitors because they target the same userbase, although they are free in the sense of cost-free.
Note that they say "free VPNs", not "other free VPNs", so they clearly exclude themselves from that group.
The image you linked also mentions subscription and refund, which don't make much sense for a free service.
What gave you the impression that it is free?
Tio
in reply to Liwott • •Read their FAQ and answer again. Pay attention. The alien asks: "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?". And Mozilla answers: "While free VPNs seem attractive, they do not make the same commitments to privacy as Mozilla VPN."
Again: "While free VPNs seem attractive" ... when the question is "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?". Mozilla: "While free VPNs seem attractive".
Isn't that implying that Mozilla too is a "free" VPN, but the difference is that "they do not make the same commitments to privacy as Mozilla VPN." ? Why "while"? And why chose them as "competitors" when Mozilla is a paid-for service?
That's why this post, and me being confused. See the post again for clarification.
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Read their FAQ and answer again. Pay attention. The alien asks: "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?". And Mozilla answers: "While free VPNs seem attractive, they do not make the same commitments to privacy as Mozilla VPN."
Again: "While free VPNs seem attractive" ... when the question is "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?". Mozilla: "While free VPNs seem attractive".
Isn't that implying that Mozilla too is a "free" VPN, but the difference is that "they do not make the same commitments to privacy as Mozilla VPN." ? Why "while"? And why chose them as "competitors" when Mozilla is a paid-for service?
That's why this post, and me being confused. See the post again for clarification.
Someone sent this to me as Mozilla offering free VPN services. I've heard Mozilla gave free access to a selected few before and others talking about it being free. Couple with their landing confusing page where there were no prices, only "join the waitlist", and those confusing FAQs it was enough to think that.
Liwott
in reply to Tio • • •Read my comment and answer again :
To rephrase it a bit, they answer what they assume is the actual thing that one has in mind about the competition : "why would I pay for a VPN if there are free ones?"
Why does Mozilla have to bear responsibility for what you heard from third parties?
Just because the price is not on the frontpage does not make it free
Nothing in their FAQ says anything about it being free. Again, I think you are projecting what you heard elsewhere as coming from Mozilla.
Tio
in reply to Liwott • •That is a massive leap of interpretation from your part. You can go with it, but their answer to such a specific question is confusing at best.
Is this a serious question? Don't waste characters, be more direct please, else we dance around and we can't sync with each other,
Read my post one more time maybe you get it this time. I even wrote free in quotes. Was more of a question how can they answer that FAQ in a manner that implies they are free, while talking about payments and refunds in other FAQs.
... Show more...It cannot be more clearer than: A kid asking Mozilla: "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?" And Mozilla answers: "While free
That is a massive leap of interpretation from your part. You can go with it, but their answer to such a specific question is confusing at best.
Is this a serious question? Don't waste characters, be more direct please, else we dance around and we can't sync with each other,
Read my post one more time maybe you get it this time. I even wrote free in quotes. Was more of a question how can they answer that FAQ in a manner that implies they are free, while talking about payments and refunds in other FAQs.
It cannot be more clearer than: A kid asking Mozilla: "How does Mozilla VPN compare to the competition?" And Mozilla answers: "While free VPNs seem attractive, they do not make the same commitments to privacy as Mozilla VPN."
In what world are you living that the above does not make sense that it is confusing if Mozilla is a paid for service!? Do you want me to translate it for you?
Question: How is your VPN comparing to other VPNs out there that provide the same service?
Answer: The other FREE VPNs are not as good as ours since we have better privacy.
If you did not understand that then ok, but to me that was the meaning of that FAQ and the answer.
Liwott
in reply to Tio • • •For the third time, they do kot criticise other free VPNs, they criticise free VPNs.
In other words, all free VPNs.
To me that screams that their own VPN does not belong to that category.
It was a rhetorical question. It was a serious comment though. Half of your answers to why yiu charge Mozilla for pretending their VPN is free is that you heard it from other people.
Tio
in reply to Liwott • •Ok we can leave leave at that. You have your own interpretation I have mine. I stand behind my judgement and not understand yours. Regardless, if that was my interpretation of that FAQ then perhaps you see where my argument about their approach comes from.
And no I did not say I reached these conclusions because someone told me about this, I said that's how it started and then I had to look at their website and conclude that their service was not free. The person who told me about this service said it was trade-free. The opposite of my conclusion after I reviewed the website.
Actually that's probably what you missed from my post entirely: I was arguing that Mozilla is not a free service, but that they pretend to be so because of that confusing FAQ.
Liwott
in reply to Tio • • •I actually think that the one reason you find this FAQ confusing is because you came there with the oreconception that it is a free service.
Anyway, I agree, let's leave it at that, I think we got each other's point by now.
Always a pleasure to disagree with friendly people 🙂
Tio
in reply to Liwott • •Well I was told it was free, I heard before it seems to be free, but I was quite sure it was not free. That FAQ sounds the way I described it, for me, regardless of how I read it :).
Anyway, maybe we should not prolong this.
Same.
I am trying to be friendly. I also work on the TROM II documentary and get distracted by this so if I may seem a bit unfriendly is because of that. But I try to be friendly.
Tio
in reply to Liwott • •And here's another fun fact, since I could not see any pricing plans on their website only the "join the waitlist" and based on those FAQ, I thought Mozilla embraced one of the very popular tactics of offering a "free" service for a limited period of time or functionality, and then they will charge you for the extension of features or time of use.
This is a tactic many such services use. So I thought that might be it. A projection, but a normal one. In any case now I know they are charging for it, as I was suspecting from the get-go. But my post is valid for what I saw on that website.
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