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Sharing my journey into the trade world. So I am trying to use a website where you can trade your body and mind for all sorts of projects. A job-seeking website. I can do websites so I am trying that. Everyone tries to maximize their gain there, so the offers are super low. So low...Plus you have some credits on the website and to apply for a trade you need to use these. And they run out quickly so you have to buy more to apply. Imagine that haha.

Also isn't it interesting that in this society I'd rather not spend time on the TROM projects, that are free, informative, scientific, FOSS, and so on, but I should make website for cryptobros, marketers, scammers, so that I can make a buck to be able to survive. See how this society forces me, and all of you, to become prostitutes?

If this is not slavery, then what is slavery?

Anyway. I am still trying folks.
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Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
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"If this is not slavery, then what is slavery?"

Please, please tell me this is some kind of extreme satire.
Are you actually comparing your discomfort of building a few websites for a fee with actual slavery?
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Sasha
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@Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal: it is slavery because you don't get a choice. You cannot survive (get food/shelter/etc.) unless you trade yourself in this society. And I think you're missing the point- @Tio does a ton of work. He works harder than anyone I know (he works all day, every day, no weekends, no holidays), but all the work he does he gives away for free. Great educational material, software, a ton of stuff- all for free because he wants to do good things. And in this society he gets punished for that- precisely because he's not trading. So instead of focusing on doing good things, this society forces him to sell things for a buck. Because he has no choice- that's why it's slavery. No choice.

Of course some people have it worse than others, but during the slave trade (for example) some slaves had it worse than others- some were whipped, others had a "nice" owner, but that doesn't mean they weren't slaves. Same today- if you're lucky, you may get to choose a nicer owner, that doesn't mean you're not a slave.
@Tio @Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
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Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
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Doing something because you have no choice does not make you slave.
Being owned by someone, just like property, body and soul, makes you a slave.
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Tio
Tio
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This is the old way of having slaves. Nowadays you simply rent them. So no one seems responsible for that. The slaves are "free" to jump from one owner to the other, and so some argue they are free, and not slaves. Big illusion.
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Tio
Tio
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My reaction to your comment is: Please, please tell me this is some kind of extreme satire.

Friend, as long as I am forced to do the things I do not want to do, and the alternative of not doing them is to starve or be homeless, then yes that is slavery. Forced labor. Can you have any argument against this?
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thisfro
thisfro
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By that logic, existance itself would need be slavery? As you would starve as well, if you don't do the work of acquiring food, water and other essentials to survive. I guess that is logically correct, but not excaxtly a widespread idea of what slavery is.

Now, we do have the technology and tools to at least lower the burden of having to work jobs we don't want to, but somehow this is not happening...
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Tio
Tio
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My comment is, of course, encapsulated inside the society we live in. Because it is the cause of this problem. A society in which we throw 50% of all edible food, where we have more homes than homeless people, we throw 350 cruse-ships of electronics a year, and hundreds more of clothes. In a society of abundance and waste, we force people to slave in order to survive. Did I mention that I can't just go and hunt some animals, or plant stuff, or make a house for myself!? Everything is owned already.

So I have no choice but to comply with this society's rules, whatever they are. Else I am fucked.
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Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
Wu Wei :xfce: :rss: :terminal:
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Exactly this.
"Just" being forced to do something simply isn't slavery. Slavery is quite a defined term.
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Tio
Tio
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To me it is for sure slavery when you have to do something against your will, and if you do not, then your life is threatened because you lack access to your basic human needs. It is more modern than in the past, so it may seem different. But it is still forced labor in order to survive.
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