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Tio

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A bunch of atoms that are curious about the world, but furious about the society. We should help all humans to have a decent life without any strings attached, so that we can understand us, the atoms, and the rest of the universe. And create a smarter and saner society.

Since 2005 I make documentaries, write books, and enable many trade-free platforms for everyone.

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2 years ago •

Tio
2 years ago •

I love how this guy destroys the ElonMusk Cult https://ytb.trom.tf/watch?v=56862W24HK8&autoplay=0 - This Elon-multi-billionaire conned many people and he keeps on doing the same today. Yet people buy his nonsense. This channel has a ton of such videos about Musk. I highly recommend them Very well done and to the point ;). If Elon wanted to change this society for the better, he probably would not have become the richest man on Earth. #tromlive

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

This one's also pretty good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcu2YUCa0lA

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in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

It is good but I'd say I can smell the tech-enthuziasm in this video - smells a bit the same as the crypto fanatics, techno-saviors, pricacy-paranoids, and such. He focuses on the fact that tesla will become like phones nowadays where you cannot control them, and how bad they are for privacy. But I think there is a bigger fish in that pond we have to go after, and the video I linked does a great job at exposing it: it is about how in our trade-based society humans are incentivized to trade trade trade- And this makes them lie, exaggerate, and so forth. And Musk is an example of that. He exaggerates the self-driving capabilities of teslas, and most of his technologies that are nothing new or revolutionary. That's more important because that's the story of pretty much every product out there.

Also the guy in teh video says something like: "Tesla should be more like Android, open to different software implementations and such" - I mean,,, really!? Android is not a good example at all. It is a bunch of licensed and proprietary and closed and controlled by google and others software. Full of useless features. And used for trading. He also says: We should be allowed to hack our own cars.... - Well....ok...say you can "hack" Android....how many Android hacked OSes are out there? Google owns that market by the balls. Tesla would do the same even if you are allowed to "hack" your own car.

This is so easy to grasp when you understand what a trade-based society is: A human wants to make a car that's better. Better should mean: safer, easy to access, maybe faster, more comfortable, less polluting and such. Better should be encapsulated in what it means to be a car. What is the purpose of a car. In the same way that a cancer treatment is measured in how well it defeats the cancer, what are the side effects, and such. But not the price of it. It is teh value of a treatment encapsulated inside the medical field.

So if human A wants to make a better car, it should be a better car. That's all. However when human A wants to trade this car, then human A needs to find ways to to that. So it will add up what "better" means inside of this trade-based society, Useless features, colors, and such.

I was about to write more but I am busy....I am sure you understand tho.

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

I've read your book, so I understand much of what you're saying. You don't have to explain about trade and it's effects ;)

The video I sent you is of a tech channel, so yeah, its mostly talking from a tech perspective. One difference between these videos is that one is explaining how tesla is a fraud and the other is explaining how tesla could become a threat as a monopoly. This is just like how Facebook started out, and now everyone is trapped in this vendor lock-in.

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in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

I can say that this guy is not a supporter of google, and he even make videos about why google is bad. What he meant here is that an open standard is better than a closed one. Surely Android is not a good example of this, linux would be something closer (he's a linux supporter too). But here he mentioned android cause he was comparing between companies. And if google didn't choose the open source path, things like ungoogled chromium, lineageOS, calyxOS, grapheneOS etc. wouldn't be possible.

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in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

Its true that both of these companies are evil, everyone knows that. But its just about choosing the lesser evil here, cause sadly that's our only choice. I mean, I don't know of any trade-free car company/provider.

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in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

The lesser "evil" is not as lesser I'd say, and also it can become the "main evil" just as easy. I won't choose between apple and google, I would choose a trade-free linux and I'll make the point why. The same way I won't choose fair-trade products to buy and think they are better than Nestle or whatever. Both are "evil". So I would not choose sides between Pepsi and Coca Cola, i would look for other alternatives and if there are none, I won't support any of those. :P

Also, a trade-free car company seems impossible since it is a "company" after all. But there are plenty free-er transportation systems like subways, autonomous EVs in UK made by the gov, or whatever. They should showcase such examples if they are really serious ;).

In any case :P

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Rokosun

in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

Maybe you're more strict about these stuff than I am. But I'm thinking like "Let's not make perfect the enemy of good". I don't think we'll ever be able to end trade in an instant. It'll probably come step by step and I'll support anything that'll directly or indirectly support this goal. For example, I'll support laws that helps reduce work time. This would give people more time to learn, think, volunteer for something and explore projects like TROM and others.

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Rokosun

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

But I'll say one thing for sure, I don't like endorsing or supporting any commercial entity, be it google, apple, tesla, or any so called "fair trade" companies. Because at the end of the day, the goal for a company is to make profit. And what's profit ? If you're getting back more that you put in, that's profit. How can such a thing really be ethically right.

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in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago • •

I knew it would confuse to call that a company. That's why I put a /provider over there, I think that makes more sense 😁

Yeah, the examples you gave are much better. If there are transportation systems and vehicles funded by governments, that's a good alternative, not a "company". Again, this is because the force of trade is lower, just like you wrote in your book :)

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Tio

in reply to Rokosun • 2 years ago •

No, I get you. But we need some Stallmans here and there. Meaning, we need to keep the "pure" version of an idea somewhere, else we lose the meaning of it. And I am trying to gatekeep that for the purpose of informing others about what trade-free means. And why trade fucks things up. The softer I get, the less meaning the idea will have, I feel.

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in reply to Tio • 2 years ago • •

Its funny you said that, cause I've felt this similarity between you and Richard stallman. Just like how stallman goes to great lengths to ONLY use free software, you're doing the same thing with your ideas about trade. I honestly think its a good thing. When you're the founder of some revolutionary idea, it makes sense to go to these extreme levels to protect its values and be a good example for others.

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