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Muting the TROM Discussion chat + working again on TROM II


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in reply to Tio

Go Tio! Hope you will have some productive time, friend :loveheart
I, as someone who has been priveleged to see little sneakpeaks from the upcoming TROM II documentry, can only say that I absolutely loved what I saw and it's going to be fabulous! 🥰 In my humble opinion it is one of the most important stories ever told and can't imagine something more suitable, especially, in times like these in the world, when we keep suffering with so many problems without realizing at all the most possible origin of all of them..
in reply to Roma

You are waay too kind! 😁 - thank you so so much for your wonderful words!
in reply to Tio

Wait so it says: "trade-based sociaty is ruining everything" and then in the next line: "please donate".

Isn't a donation trade? You donate something and get some work/content done in return?
in reply to Jeena

No. Some people ruined and abused the practice of "donating" especially in the online world. Donate means: I give this to you andI do not expect anything in return. This is why it is donation and not a payment for a product/service. Anyone has equal access to everything that we produce at TROM, regardless if they donate or not. Same as Wikipedia.

If anyone asks you for a donation and in return they give you some perks, then that's not a donation.

More here for a broader definition and explanation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation
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in reply to Jeena

So in short a donation is not a trade, because I do not give you anything in return for your donation. It is a one way street: you donate. That's all 😀.
in reply to Tio

It would be the case if the donated money would be expected to be used for whatever, but the expectation of donating to Wikipedia is that it will be used to work on Wikipedia and not to buy alcohol or cigarettes for some random person on the street.

So I'm donating to Wikipedia and I'm getting a better quality Wikipedia, I'm getting something back for it, the only difference is that I also let other people use the fruits of my donation.
in reply to Jeena

That's about your expectation. But nothing to do with trade. Trade is a practice between at least 2 humans, else we go into the abstract and anything can be seen as trade, including you reading a book in order to get educated. You "trade" your time to get educated. But we are not talking about this. This is too abstract and goes nowhere.

So between you and Wikipedia there is no: I give you that in order for you to give me this. It is: I help your project because I like what you are doing. So there is no trade involved. Unless you define your expectations as "trade".
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in reply to Tio

I guess my assumption is that most people have the same expectation from Wikipedia in this example.

In my mind that is the difference between a gift (giving without expectation for what it will be used) and a donation (giving for a specific cause).
in reply to Jeena

https://wikidiff.com/donation/gift
in reply to Jeena

It is true that people likely donate to support some specific cause, therefore they have some internal expectations. This is totally ok, and it is still not a trade in my view. Since there is no exchange between us.
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Aaron
100%
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Tio
100% agree!