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We brought together top experts for our new Special Panel on child safety online.
We are looking into real solutions, like harmonised age limits for social media across all EU countries , and making sure tech platforms step up to protect young minds.
We are here to help make the internet a safer playground.
More 👉 link.europa.eu/cKjMRh
Commission holds first meeting of Special Panel on child safety online
Today, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen hosted the first meeting of the Special Panel on child safety online.European Commission - European Commission
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That is one hell of a dystopian cat.
We just updated our ALT-text to make it more clear. 😉
What about PRIVACY? Child safety is just an excuse for an orwellian dystopian surveillance. No, thank you! No more #ChatControl !!!
Many children in Gaza won't be harassed in social networks. They've been killed in real life.
This is like asking kids not to leave the house because the car traffic outside is too dangerous.
The solution is to reduce the traffic, and its speed, not to ban kids from leaving the house.
Also, the traffic is dangerous to everyone, not just the kids, even if they might be particularly at risk.
Don't penalize a vulnerable group; treat the problem instead!
On social media, we don't need age limits; we need better enforcement of content moderation rules!
I'm sorry, what you are going to obtain is children using internet illegally, because they will find a way, more uncontrolled than ever, and absolutely no benefit for the rest of users, specially for those in sensitive and dangerous situations. I, as a father, don't wan't this for my kids.
You start deciding what we can see on internet, will end on what we can read, say or think.
Internet is not a playground, we should start educating and teaching, not blocking and forbidding.
I would love to see law and restrictions as long as it does not include:
- Age verification
- Communication monitoring
We should just fine platforms that can not keep up their promises
If parents would do their fucking jobs and actually parent their children, this would not be necessary.
Yes, parents neglecting their kids by giving them unfettered access to the internet is shitty parenting. You decide to have kids, you take responsibility.
as a citizen in the EU I would like to ask, how would the age be handled?
Is it self-defined? Does it need to verify? How will it be verified? Who will handle verifying? What will protect us from those who are supposed to verify, will there be restrictions?
Privacy is a core consideration in this work. The EU age verification solution that we are testing is specifically designed to confirm age without collecting any other identity data. Imagine it works like this: the adult-only website you want to access will only know if you are 18 or over, nothing else.
You can learn more about our approach to age verification here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
The EU approach to age verification
The European Commission is working towards an EU-harmonised approach to age verification.Shaping Europe’s digital future
#AgeVerification is not a "solution", but both a convenient cop-out for you, so that you cowards needn't address platform regulation;
and a much welcome vehicle to amass more and more data of every single person, ready to use for you and even more fascist governments to come.
Nobody believes you.
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You are not trying to protect children.
You are trying to control the internet, force everyone to provide identification.
Provide certified authenticated users to U.S. bigtech-companies for better targeted ads, crowd out marginalised and vulnerable groups and prime the internet as a mean of control for fascist.
The children you aim to protect will grow up in a normalised surveillance state.
Rethink.
you'd be well advised to read and heed the replies from concerned citizens, or become irrelevant.
internet is not a "playground" and there's a difference between "safe" and an unfree society, which will be the outcome of this.
go after big tech instead. they're not partners. they're the ones endangering the children.
Oh! The fact that ALL laws you've tried to pass so far violate the EU charter of fundamental rights , especially the right to privacy.
So is it really protecting children? Or just trying to control people?
Please consult with experts who actually work with children and youth online, and ideally with children and youth themselves. As such, we clearly say: You are on the wrong track.
We are here to help if you are looking for expert interventions regarding the topic!
Regulating the business model of big tech social media, particularly targeted advertising and algorithmic manipulation, is much more difficult.
Why not remove the incentives for platforms to maximize engagement through outrage or addictive algorithms?
The answer is that it takes courage.
All chat surveillance and age verification should be dead and buried six feet under. Otherwise we will soon live in a surveillance state.
Age limits require age verification, and age verification means bureaucratically identifying everyone online. Everyone.
That's transparently incompatible with the goal and implementation of the GDPR, and will impose massive regulatory burden and risk on internet services, who'll have to handle PII they might never have otherwise had to handle.
And for what? So we'll all be fake USians when signing up for things, to avoid giving Peter Thiel our passports? Lose the GDPR entirely?
Parent here. I decide appropriate age limits for my kids.
Not you.
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Unlike you, I've read all the responses here, so I have little to add.
But, making "see" the operative verb in your misleading propaganda, using (lazy) uncaptioned images, is specially galling.
Do YOU see us, hear us, perceive us, acknowledge us?
This account gets more insulting each day.
We also read your comments, sometimes it just takes us a while to get to them all. 😉
We now edited the post to include ALT-text. Please never hesitate to let us know when it's missing. We welcome all feedback on our content. What do you think we should be doing better?
I appreciate the answer, and the addition of image captions. I didn't (don't) mean to be personally offensive, I hope I wasn't.
As to your question: who would be "we", the EC or the person(s) behind this account?
To be frank, I don't know what a good microblogging account for a big institution should be like; must be difficult. But I see that you've started responding to some of the questions in this thread and that's better than usual, thanks! 1/3
Answering past questions would be a neat thing to do too, there are many similar threads, with lots of responses from the fediverse, and a feeling of a "one-way press releases" account. Take a look at past posts with many comments.
Also, it could be valuable if you tried to convey the better points raised here up the ladder, too, making the fediverse heard, and the whole thing more two-way. 2/3
It's up to the parents.
Any attempt to regulate what children see on the Internet simply removes all privacy for all adults. Exposes them to exploitation by US Corporations and malicious governments. The verification people will sell the info and it will be kept.
It's not like sometimes younger adults having to show ID in a shop. That's not stored or transmitted and it's a minority of adults.
The idea of Child protection on the Internet rather than parental supervision is daft.
The problem is not the children.
The problem is the unregulated, illegal content
Enforce law to protect people against abusive firms, instead of passing laws to survey people.
There is a fundamental problem with claiming to protect children, when undermining the rights of privacy of all individuals.
In Hungary, Orban makes big claims about how his policies are to protect children - then the abuse of children by officials in the ruling party reveal that the policies only had theoretical child safety, the real case was the opposite.
Hopefully you set up Age related safe spaces instead of banning children from social media. Cutting children off that are under 16, just isolates them from gaming communities and branching out into hobbies their friends may not partake in.
Let them grow, don't prune them. Let them be a part of their sports clubs events and celebratory photos on socials.
At this panel, participants discussed the responsibility of tech companies, as well as digital literacy for children, their parents and teachers.
You can get involved in our policies too! Check this space for debates that interest you: citizens.ec.europa.eu/index_en
Citizens' Engagement Platform
This page gives me access to information about citizens engagement initiatives, current and upcoming citizens' panels, latest news, as well as an image gallery, videos etc.Citizens’ Engagement Platform
Please include actual experts from @CCC or @digitalcourage or @eff or similar groups as well.
If you can convince these folks with your plans and laws, they might actually BE good.
Don't wait for them to participate, reach actively out to them!
Have you considered just banning Facebook/Instagram and Twitter? Would solve like 99% of the problem.
Stop coddling these tech giants. Why do they get special treatment no other EH citizen gets? It's infuriating.
Back up. Before going all "Will somebody think of the children", let's mandate that digital corporations have no more leeway to harming ANYONE, adults included, than is allowed in the non-digital world.
With proper safety & privacy regulations on digital services half the child endangerment - if not more - disappears right away.
But we do believe in including young people in our policy process. That’s why, as just one example, we established the first ever presidential youth advisory board. Youth representatives from every EU country met with President Von der Leyen last year to discuss this very issue.
And that wasn’t just a one-time thing. Learn more here: commission.europa.eu/topics/yo…
The President's Youth Advisory Board
Providing young people with the opportunity to meet the Commission President and share their thoughts on EU policies.European Commission
Thanks you for you answer. I actually did not expect the comments to be read. I'm positive surprised.
Why then exclude young people from the internet and making it worse for every one in the process?
We are not proposing to exclude young people from the internet. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, from youth advocates to computer scientists, to weigh different options. The next panels will actually focus on the advantages for minors in accessing online spaces, and how to prevent risks and harms without losing these benefits.
We are all about a balanced approach, and listening to the voices of experts.
Hello @LookWhatTheCatDraggedIn! This panel was commissioned to forge a strong, realistic, European approach to keep our children safe in the digital age. In all of this work we will be guided by the need to empower parents and build a safer Europe for our children.
However, if you have concerns over privacy relating to age verification, you can learn more about the privacy-first age verification solution we are developing here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
Commission makes available an age-verification blueprint
To help online platforms implement a user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verification method, the Commission is developing a harmonised approach in close collaboration with the Member States.Shaping Europe’s digital future
Hello @lexinova!
At this stage, we are meeting with experts and youth representatives to discuss the issue. Yesterday's discussions revolved around holding tech companies accountable & promoting digital literacy. While age verification may be a part of a future solution, we are developing and testing a privacy-first age verification method. It’s like this: the site you want to access will only receive the info if you are over 18 or not, nothing else.
More info here: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
Commission makes available an age-verification blueprint
To help online platforms implement a user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verification method, the Commission is developing a harmonised approach in close collaboration with the Member States.Shaping Europe’s digital future
Age limits aren't a solution. First of all, if implemented in the "usual" way of politics, they'll just lead to deanonymisation and MASSIVE targeted ads and profile building.
Next, why not just take existing laws like GDPR, DSA, and whatever and force the major players to stop their current business model (which might lead to broken business models, and hey! - that's good, because all of their daily business is against the law*)
Next, will you this time think of open source and free stuff (as in e.g. mastodon), or will you AGAIN forget to add safe harbours for stuff like freifunk in Germany?
Commit to freedom and democracy, don't let big players help write laws where they actually benefit from.
* no matter if tiktok, xhitter, meta, openai, ...
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Age verification is punishing the victim and only delaying the harm. The algorithms designed to exploit engagement are the problem.
Btw was this the same event, or something else: en.panoptykon.org/dsa-vs-reali…
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I'm proud of the EU, its political decisions and values, but this changes everything. Such a decision is more like what the RF or any other dictatorship would do than what an egalitarian and democratic polity would do.
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Hundreds of scientists say stop! ✋🚨Governments should pause plans for mandatory #AgeChecks on online services until serious #privacy and #security concerns are addressed.
As countries push to ban children from social media, the risk to everyone’s privacy is growing. 🔐🌍
👉 Read more on #AgeVerification, why scientist say NO & whether your country wants it: tuta.com/blog/age-verification…
Age Verification: What countries require you to perform ID checks & for what websites and platforms? | Tuta
Will the age verification era kill anonymity? As more countries are passing age verification laws, let's take a look at what countries already require it, and for what services, online sites,and social media platforms.Tuta
OK, but it is not sufficient to declare child safety trumps all else.
- Child safety IS an indespensible essential that must be addressed to save abuses & death
- The right to privacy IS ALSO an indespensible essential to save abuses & death
You cannot and must not make achieving either ascendent over the other, but you MUST find solutions that maximize BOTH!
For example, privacy preserving age verification that works on-device to send an age verification token that varies each time it's used (like Aegis' 2FA code generator) but doesn't leak/reveal identity. Or, perhaps identity is revealed only below an age threshold, so no identity implies old enough - requiring one time visit to trusted party (police) with phone to calibrate and then use that as proof for other device use. I'm sure #eff will have some well thought out ideas around this.
Under an umbrella of 'online safety', Child protection advocates and privacy advocates must work together for an equitable solution.
Thanks for sharing your views. Rest assured we are approaching this subject with the utmost care. Our post is about convening a panel of experts, whose role it is to advise us. Computer scientists, youth advocates, digital literacy experts, they all have a seat at the table.
Regarding your thoughts on privacy-preserving age verification, you may find that the solution you are describing here is quite similar to the solution we are developing.
Read more: digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
Commission makes available an age-verification blueprint
To help online platforms implement a user-friendly and privacy-preserving age verification method, the Commission is developing a harmonised approach in close collaboration with the Member States.Shaping Europe’s digital future
Thanks for your (unexpected) response. I'll take look at your link.
On a slight tangential note. Is the EU working at pace to stop Google from implementing their gatekeeper role with developer verification. It's an overbearing, monopolistic play, in the guise of 'tightening security'. There are many alternatives that are less monopolistic. Perhaps EU could force Google to offer equivalent powers to EU nominated trusted app repositories, such as F-Droid & Obtanium & the alternate OS providers, Lineage & Graphene. That way, security would be preserved. The nominated entities could then maintain developer privacy & not charge (or just charge minor admin costs)
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capitalists: "without a profit motive, nobody would do anything. society would collapse."
my friends & acquaintances: "I implemented a SPARC emulator in pure CSS"
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It's really crazy (and infuriating) when they say this.
Capitalism is not that old. How do they think villages and communities were built and managed before capitalism?
Also, they will often default to the "who will clean the sewers in a socialist world?".
Man, I'd be happy to clean the sewers, on my own terms and schedule if it could prevent me from waking up every single day at dawn to do fuck all in front of a computer for 8 hours :|
Totally. If you put somebody like me in charge of cleaning a sewer and gave me free reign and autonomy, I'm pretty sure I'd be reading books about sewers and the history of sewers and would make changes until it did NOT suck to clean anymore...for myself and whoever came after. Anything can be an interesting problem if you're enabled to solve it.
Yeah, it's easier to improve society when you don't have someone at the top syphoning all ressources
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support.
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Motorola News | Motorola's new partnership with GrapheneOS
Motorola announces three new B2B solutions at MWC 2026, including GrapheneOS partnership, Moto Analytics and more.marreroc (Global Blog)
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Ideally more than one if it's on the budget end.
A budget Moto G at the 150€ mark with GrapheneOS would be the ultimate "if i'm under risk this is becoming a foldable".
What about when IBM decides to kill systemd, GCC and GNOME?systemd
Between GNU Shepherd, supervise-daemon and runit? 
GCC
You'll have to explain why/how IBM owns GCC. Fairly sure it's an actual FSF project. 
GNOME?
RIP lol 
Other than the accessibility stuff most of it I don't care much about, and with the ensloppification going on & Red Hat apparently insisting on it, it might well die anyway.
What are your thoughts on what to do in case the day comes that Google kills AOSP?
This however has real chances of happening and already has a largely closed development process with no community.
Which means it doesn't even need a poison pill contributor agreement, all the necessary rights are probably already in Google's possession for malicious license changes.
Not to mention that the main useful part of Android, the drivers & their documentation, aren't even included anyway. Everything else could be replaced by something better with some work.
@King_of_Ooo @alexia @lumi So, how many of those community projects aren't simply downstream like the Mozilla Firefox ones?
How many are actually credibly in a position to take development over entirely with a dead upstream?
@lispi314 @King_of_Ooo @alexia @lumi
> You know, if you're just going to avoid the question you could simply not answer that post, like you did with my mobile modem isolation question.
Don't know what you're talking about. You're one of hundreds of people.
> The overwhelming majority of the BSD tooling
It has little to do with the desktop software stack. That increasingly only has an incomplete port over to BSD with a growing amount of hacks. It would just roll it back even further.
@King_of_Ooo @alexia @lumi You know, if you're just going to avoid the question you could simply not answer that post, like you did with my mobile modem isolation question.
The overwhelming majority of the BSD tooling that isn't systemd could be ported with a modest effort if systemd died. Note that I linked daemon supervisors earlier, because session managers and init systems are a lot easier to come by.
edit: Ah, my bad, I confused the subthread. You did ignore it and replied to the prior post.
@bobkmertz @greenpete @joe9nf That was most likely the modem and in some early mobiles there was zero isolation preventing the modem from simply reading all the memory bus.
(The modem should be understood as a blackbox device at the mercy of hostile infrastructure providers & "authorities", it is attack surface.)
I would hope that such isolation is part of the GrapheneOS safety requirements.
GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.GrapheneOS

If they #Motorola could add #LoRa or something similar that could be a game changer.
They would offer something that other companies don't, while there is demand from users.
It also brings privacy advantages as it makes it easier to communicate undetected from cell towers. People are starting to roll out networks covering wide areas.
In addition to that, it adds an element of resilience where people could continue to communicate even when cell towers are shut down. This is especially important during national disasters and governments overreach shutting down internet access.
TL;DR: Yes.
Well, as degoogled as using an OS maintained by Google gets
@luana Yes, that's part of our hardware requirements:
grapheneos.org/faq#future-devi…
Whether they'll be sold at retail with GrapheneOS preinstalled as an option isn't a question we can answer yet. It mostly comes down to Google's requirements and the extent to which those can be worked around or pushed to be relaxed.
GrapheneOS Frequently Asked Questions
Answers to frequently asked questions about GrapheneOS.GrapheneOS
@ferricoxide @luana No, it's a much different feature than the incomplete implementation for desktops. The entirely of the firmware and operating system are cryptographically verified with downgrade protection. The secure element is used to store the version metadata for downgrade protection for the OS and efuses are used for the firmware portion of it. It's fully integrated with the A/B update system with automatic rollback until reaching the home screen successfully.
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GrapheneOS web installer
Web-based installer for GrapheneOS, a security and privacy focused mobile OS with Android app compatibility.GrapheneOS
@GrapheneOS Go for it. You will succeed when there are, let's say, three phones from affordable to high range.
The future: When you are supporting a lot of Motos, integrate another brand (Asus?) and finally get rid of the Pixels. 
This is a premature joke for the 1. April, right? 😳🤔😂🤣
Choosing a company like Motorola with it's owner Lenovo behind it for the reasons of privacy and security isn't beyond a good idea but pure hypocrisy and a punch in the guts for all of the supporters of GrapheneOS in my opinion. 🖕
Greed ate brain, happened again it seems. 🤮
#GrapheneOS #Motorola #Lenovo #Privacy #Security #Hypocrisy #Joke
The point isn’t whether GrapheneOS receives money from Motorola.
The point is the consistency of the security and trust model you advocate! 🙄
GrapheneOS often emphasizes minimizing trust in large corporations, opaque supply chains, and potential state influence.
Yet Motorola is owned by Lenovo, a Chinese company operating under a legal environment where state access to companies can be mandated.
If the argument is that users should minimize trust and maximize verifiable security, partnering with an OEM embedded in that jurisdiction raises legitimate questions.
This isn’t about “greed” but about coherence of principles.
If Chinese OEM ownership is usually framed as a risk in privacy discussions, it seems inconsistent to dismiss those concerns when it becomes convenient for hardware support.
Criticism here isn’t hostility—it’s asking whether the same standards are being applied consistently. 😉
It's indeed quite apparent that you acting out in the same way like you did in the past when the founder of GrapheneOS had a personal dispute with another somewhat prominent personality of the tech world.
If you don't want me to further investigate your toxic behavior of communication and try to framing me as the bad one, you should definitely thread lightly.
Threatening me with whatever action won't result in deleting my previous posts but instead will strengthen my personal investment in further interactions and maybe legal actions.
Louis Rossmann may would find this interesting to read too.
I'm fine to end it here by agreeing to disagree.
@kranzkrone You've moved on from posting low quality concern trolling which appears to be at least partially generated by an LLM to blatant libel and support for harassment. We haven't framed you for anything. Your replies to our thread make it clear what you're doing.
Louis Rossmann orchestrated harassment towards our founder by making many extraordinarily dishonest claims in a video where he engaged in blatant bullying. Rossmann is openly a Kiwi Farms user and is the one who involved them.
@JamesDBartlett3 @lispi314 @a53bdb @lunareclipse I agree.
I consider the USA as the premium example for the latter. 😉
There's a *big* difference between "sloppy security that eventually gets pwned" and "deliberately backdoored by a nation-state for the purpose of domestic mass surveillance"
@GrapheneOS @publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse
any chance that we'll have Google wallet support?
since the bootloader will trust the grapheneos keys I can't imagine why would safetynet and the other play protect mechanisms won't pass attestation (for all intents and purposes graphene would be indistinguishable from the stock Motorola image)
if that's the case I'll buy the device the moment it comes out...
any remote chance that Motorola could help with that?
@a53bdb To be fair, all phones are made there so that risk always exists anyway.
As long as GrapheneOS doesn't slack on their requirements including (but not limited to) being able to access low level stuff it shouldn't be much worse if you flash the phone yourself. And those kind of requirements are why Pixels where the only ones supported to begin with...
I heard rumours that GrapheneOS will ship in phones and it will not be possible to flash another OS.
Is this true?
@joonq @a53bdb
Sorry, but despite US offices and staff, the company is 100% Chinese.
Here is why:
-> Acquisition: Bought Motorola from Google in 2014 for $2.91B.
-> Headquarters: Global HQ is in Beijing.
-> Shareholders: Parent company Legend Holdings is Chinese.
-> Leadership: CEO Yang Yuanqing is Chinese.
-> Origins: Born from a state-owned research institute.
What might be cause for concern is if the ‘blond’ driving the world crazy were to target Motorola or Lenovo, causing them to pull out of the US market, or if, like Huawei, they were to have Android stripped away from them. At that point, they might decide on one of two things: either ‘steal’ the GrapheneOS technology, or strengthen their partnership with Graphene and make Graphene the primary software for Motorola/Lenovo. It could be an interesting development, but I imagine it would be stressful for the creators of Graphene
@anon_4601 @joonq @a53bdb Lenovo is a publicly traded company with 31% of the shares are owned by Legend Holdings.
Legend Holdings is a publicly traded company with 29% of the shares owned by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.
That works out to the Chinese Academy of Sciences owning around 9% of Lenovo. They're far from owning the majority of it.
We're continuing to support Pixels which are the only Android devices from a major OEM based in the US. Smaller brands are white labelled ODM phones.
@FynnND Both iPhones and Pixels have official battery replacement kits available along with it being relatively straightforward for the most recent generations of each. You can already use GrapheneOS on a Pixel today.
Fairphones lack crucial standard privacy and security patches/protections. They're incredibly far from meeting our requirements. Fairphones aren't a serious option if you care about privacy and lack basic safety due to lack of kernel updates, etc.
@top It wasn't authorized by them and appears to have been a supply chain attack from a company doing contracting work for them. It was quickly disabled via some kind of update
GrapheneOS won't be using any of their apps and services. GrapheneOS also won't be using their regular vendor code and vendor SELinux policy but rather a more stripped down version close to the standard Qualcomm SDK with the extra drivers, etc. needed on top of that added. It will have less nonsense than with Pixels.

We're partnered with Motorola Mobility rather than Motorola Solutions. They're entirely separate companies since the split in 2011. Motorola Mobility was acquired by Google in 2012 and then sold to Lenovo inn 2014.
Motorola Mobility is the successor of the consumer hardware division while Motorola Solutions makes much more niche products focused on government contracts.
Motorola Mobility wants to get into the enterprise and government markets so they're focusing on improving security.
@ReclaimedComputing The plan is for the initial supported device will be the successor to the Motorola Signature (2026). It will be more time before we can add more devices since we need the devices to add support for MTE, secure element features and long term updates. Other flagships are likely going to be the first ones supported. We can work our way down from there once other devices meet our requirements.
We'd still like to keep supporting new Pixels too so we have 2 choices instead of 1.
Please consider pressing Motorola to make this new device operate with freely licensed firmware.
I believe they will even gain more positive press coverage, community respect, and in turn, sales, from this
The Replicant project, which distributes a fully free android version has unfortunately not been able to meaningly support any device since the Samsung S3.
If GrapheneOS developers can achieve a fully free GrapheneOS system, I'll donate $100 (I'm not rich) and buy this new phone.
While people are complaining about AI energy consumption, I'd rather see it used for rapid clean-room development of free firmware and drivers for Android devices.
Oof! This comment has *not* aged well with your new "full slop" policy for software contributions.
I have constant issue on every Pixel device I used (7 Pro, 9A and 10) with sound on earbuds/headset connected via usb dac. Every DAC I tried (and I tried a lot of them with at least 5 diferent chips) have crackling and hissing sounds while listening to music. Nothing what I tied helped. Even diasbling usb-c protection at all. On the stock OS I had no issues (tried before flashing GrapheneOS)
partnering with a company that likes surveil IRL via ALPR, interesting
this will go well
@Ox1de Motorola Mobility and Motorola Solutions are entirely different companies. GrapheneOS isn't partnered with Motorola Solutions and neither is Motorola Mobility.
The original Motorola was split into Motorola Mobility and Motorola Solutions back in 2011. Motorola Mobility was subsequently purchased by Google in 2012 and sold to Lenovo in 2014.
Motorola Mobility owns the Motorola trademark. Motorola Solutions is a different company using the trademark under a limited license from the split.
@Ox1de
Motorola Solutions controls the trademark and licenses Lenovo's Motorola Mobility use the brand on consumer phones.
Motorola Solutions inherited the original company's stock listing, its founding legacy, and the Motorola trademark.
@HopelessDemigod @Ox1de No, Motorola Mobility owns the Motorola trademark via Motorola Trademark Holdings.
Motorola Solutions has a limited royalty-free license to use the trademark from Motorola Mobility. You can see this in the SEC filings for Motorola Solutions:
motorolasolutions.com/content/…
Motorola Mobility was technically the company which was split out with Motorola Solutions keeping the original ticker, but Motorola Mobility owns the trademark and Motorola Solutions can't use it freely.
From the Motorola Solutions SEC filing linked above:
> We no longer own certain logos and other trademarks, trade names and service marks, including MOTOROLA, MOTO, MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS and the Stylized M logo and all derivatives and formatives thereof (“Motorola Marks”) and we license the Motorola Marks from Motorola Trademark Holdings, LLC (“MTH”), which is currently owned by Motorola Mobility, a subsidiary of Lenovo.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •@Ox1de
I stand corrected.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •GrapheneOS
in reply to 🎃Imogen🎃 • • •@HopelessDemigod They didn't sell it but rather split it. Every Motorola shareholder received 1 share of Motorola Mobility for each 8 shares of Motorola. After spinning off Motorola Mobility, they did a reverse 1-for-7 reverse stock split for Motorola and renamed it to Motorola Solutions.
It was initially the same owners for both companies but immediately diverged due to both being publicly traded. Google acquiring Motorola Mobility ended the historical shared ownership of the companies.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •@HopelessDemigod Motorola Solutions keeping the original legal entity is only really a technical detail rather than it being the only actual continuation of the company.
Motorola Mobility is definitely also a continuation of the original Motorola.
Motorola Solutions has some of the older parts of the business including the radios but the mobile phones and the pagers before those which were discontinued long before the split are what most people recognized as being tied to the company.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •@HopelessDemigod @Ox1de Keeping the legal entity for Motorola Solutions was likely more about it being heavily based around government contracts in particular. It avoided a whole lot of hassle and potentially losing a lot of money. It was easier for Motorola Mobility to shift everything over than Motorola Solutions.
Google messed things up by acquiring it for the patents, not knowing what to do with the rest and gutting it to save money short term. They could have just spun it off immediately.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Agreed.
In the case of the original Bell Telephone Company they formed Bell IP Holding, L.L.C which each of the separate companies collectively own including their successors.