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in reply to TROM

I'm sorry to hear about your financial situation. I think all of us who understands the problem with trade faces this dilemma, the society forces us to trade in order to survive. Most people spend the better part of their life doing jobs, they don't even get enough time to spend with their loved ones. How can people understand and learn about the problems of society and try to solve them if they don't even have the time for it. Its really sad 😞
in reply to Rokosun

yes that's very true...
in reply to Rokosun

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in reply to ZeitgeistMalaysia

Please stop spamming us with this. You posted a lot about this on all of our posts. We understand.
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in reply to ZeitgeistMalaysia

I think trom is focusing more on spreading the message right now, cause this is an important first step.

I understand what you're trying to do, it'll be nice if such volunteers could focus more on their work and less about personal stress like food and accommodation. But there are still problems that needs to be solved, like if someone wanted to come to your city they probably need a passport, visa etc. But its still better than nothing :)
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in reply to ZeitgeistMalaysia

I understand you and this is a huge task ahead of us. TROM is not advocating anything really, it simply points out how this trade-based society produces most of the problems we see in the world today. One of the solutions to this is to provide trade-free goods and services. Food, accommodation, healthcare, shelter and the like are human basic needs, but so are access to information/education, or digital tools that can help people express themselves, educate others, communicate, and so forth. And right now we provide tons of such tools as trade-free. Providing accommodation is beyond our "powers", and if you can do that, then that's great. But never forget the "message". We don't just provide such tools and that's it. Actually the tools are less important. The important bit is the message that trade is the source of most problems ;).
in reply to Tio

Trom 1 already describe trade-based society is most of the problem, if your are making trom 2 and it is just another way of explaining the same problem, it would be redundant. you need to make trom 2 included with solution and alternative, if your education material able to reach to those who had resource/power and able to convince them why trade is most of the problem, then your "education" will be effective, otherwise it will only remain supported by those underprivileged group of people which does not have any power to change. im saying this because you dont want trom 2 to be useless & wasting people's time, such as after watched trom2, theyve realized theres nothing much can be done either
in reply to ZeitgeistMalaysia

Where in TROM 1 we talk about trade as the origin of most problems? And second: we argue, strongly that is and in over 1k pages book, that we need to focus on a problem rather than solutions. Focusing on a problem gives rise to solutions. Read it here https://www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-df_6562/1/

In the past I didn't know as much about our society so I accused money as the problem. And indeed people invented other kinds of money, like cryptocurrencies. Misleading.