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Reddit perma-banning account promoting Lemmy has Streisand effect
As Reddit's enshittification reaches new heights their attempts to suppress attention for alternatives, like federated Lemmy, has the opposite effect as this Hacker News discussion shows.
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Reading criticisms of Lemmy from Reddit and other platforms like HackerNews reminds me of reading criticisms of Reddit from Digg back in 2007-2010, except they're more based on architecture instead of "it looks ugly".
Now there are things that will turn away users. There's obviously a strong leftist culture here, there are less users so less content, and obviously federation is a stumbling block for many people.
But I really think that's ok similar to what people are saying in that Hacker News thread. I wouldn't want all of Reddit to come over, and I think it's better for the culture and growth here to get a self selected trickle/stream of users instead of a deluge.
I don't think Lemmy will necessarily have the same issues as Mastodon because Twitter/Mastodon requires you to know people or know accounts to follow to be useful. Lemmy just requires communities you're interested in and a critical mass of users to drive posting and engagement. We're already seeing greater activity as more users arrive
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That second comment by goplayoutside says it well: "Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug."
I think it is a feature, and the same is true for Mastodon and the Fediverse as a whole, imho.
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I also see it as a feature. If instances have a natural active user cap, then server-based communities can't get so big as to outpace moderation. And admins have the ability to moderate local users' behaviour on off-site sublemmies by enforcing their own codes of conduct.
The internet used to be small, but expansive. It became big, but concentrated.
I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.
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I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.
You've worded it well. I think the technical nature of it is to its benefit, and many server may not want to make the signup process easier, for the reasons you mentioned.
Very much so. It shares the load, both from a technical point of view but also from moderation and maintenance point of view.
It's actually pretty great, all of this.
Problem: organizations pushing a political or commercial agenda will train their agents to overcome modest technical hurdles. Spammers, in particular, will go to extreme lengths to overcome technical hurdles, including hiring people to solve CAPTCHAs.
Agreed, I remember being shocked about a decade ago learning that there were services run in developing countries where you pay about $1 for 1000 CATPCHA solves for your spam bot to pass along and a person solving it.
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While it keeps the willfully ignorant out, it can also keep people with learning disabilities out. Accessibility should always be worked on. That being said, Lemmy is certainly easy to access, Even more so than Mastodon IMHO because Mastodon you have to know people whereas lemmy all you have to do is sign up for a community
You can actually follow hashtags on mastadon, which is a lot easier then knowing users. :)
Yeah, but none of the Twitter people were using hashtags, and a lot of them where hyper-fixated on finding their Twitter mutuals. They were just trying pretend Mastodon was a drop-in replacement for Twitter.
They didn't want to create their own space in the new place, and they didn't want to integrate with those who were already there. They just kind of wanted to ignore the fact that anything was happening, while still, I guess, engaging in slacktivism.
The most disturbing thing I've seen is the evidence that Lemmy.ml is controlled by a genocide-supporting red fascist/third positionists. If that's true, its a massive issue and makes the platform hard to trust.
Very open to learning that this isn't true, if it isn't.
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What's the source on that? That's a pretty big accusation but I'd certainly want to know if it's true.
And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I'm on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.
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When I joined Lemmy a year ago (with another user), Lemmygrad was not my piece of cake, Lemmy.ml was too big (similar to mastodon.social), Lemmy.ca was not in my continent, and I didn't notice about beehaw. So, sopuli was the only one standing: small, from Finland and not tankie.
Creating a instance can be difficult, but it's a good way when you don't like what you're offered, and it can help other people to find their home.
So long as the entry points like join-lemmy aren't controlled, then yes it is a possibly good solution. I'm not stating facts at this point, only stating my concern about what I saw.
What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don't know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.
BTW, these ifs I'm using aren't rhetoric devices. I'm not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I'm saying.
Having been a lemmy resident for a while (this being my second account and someone who doesnt visit lemmygrad at all) is that in my experience the Devs conduct themselves professionally, impartially and generally have the patience of saints.
If you decide to stay here for a while you might form the same impression.
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Regardless of whether that's true, one of those devs seems to be a genocide supporter. Not even a denier, but a supporter.
supporter of what genocide
The evidence I've seen is compiled mainly in these posts:
raddle.me/f/lobby/88428/so-the…
raddle.me/wiki/why_raddle
raddle.me/wiki/history
raddle.me/wiki/QnA_with_Emma
It stems from the fact that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml cofederate, that the project leads are communists, and the claim that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml off of the same IP address.
The first two points are not in contention, but I haven't, personally, been able to verify the third.
Now, lemmygrad is absolutely a trollish, auth-left hellscape. And I say that with... well, not respect, but not specific derision, either. That genuinely seems to be the aesthetic they're going for. They're not here to make friends with anyone but themselves, and they'll play apologetics for China, North Korea, and Stalin's takeover of the Soviet Republic all day long.
But even if the project leads are genuinely involved in that, it doesn't really change the fact that the project is not inextricably tied to them. It's an open source project. It can be forked, and forked again. No one actually needs lemmygrad or lemmy.ml. Or lemmy, for that matter. Everyone can hop over to Friendica and still access all of the same communities.
Shit, they're accessible from Mastodon and Calckey.
And besides, it's not like people avoid using software when it's made by white supremacist capitalist techbros. In those cases, we all basically just go "yeah, but I'm not a white supremacist capitalist techbro" and carry on with our day. And those products generally can't be wrenched from their control or oversight.
Most people chose Elon over learning that multiple websites exist...
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Problem: most Lemmy users and communities are on lemmy.ml.
Do you happen to have a link to said evidence? I'd love to review it, myself.
The evidence I've seen is compiled mainly in these posts:
raddle.me/f/lobby/88428/so-the…
raddle.me/wiki/why_raddle
raddle.me/wiki/history
raddle.me/wiki/QnA_with_Emma
So your "evidence" is 4 different links from a "competing" platform, all of which should be considered "one source" not multiple individual sources, one of which is a user post with no actual evidence shown or linked -- at least not in the body of the post, I didn't care to follow through checking the comments -- and an article from... Vice.
Not exactly what I would call reputable sources. I'm not DENYING what you're saying, I just don't see any specific evidence to support your claim. Just... Be mindful of what you're using as "source material" when you claim there's evidence.
Maybe you're confusing with lemmygrad?
I'd like to read more on this, if true
The evidence I've seen is compiled mainly in these posts:
raddle.me/f/lobby/88428/so-the…
raddle.me/wiki/why_raddle
raddle.me/wiki/history
raddle.me/wiki/QnA_with_Emma
Fuck, i even didn't notice that the lemmy.ml instance admin, also the Dev of lemmy and the android app has Mao as a profile cover, with Che as avatar....
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Ziq is not a trustworthy source on shit. That guy is well known for lying and impersonating people to stir up shit, and has a personal vendetta against any leftist message board that he isn't personally capable of manipulating. He impersonated me and a few other members of Hexbear in the very early days when it became clear r/ChapoTrapHouse wasn't going to settle on Raddle.
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Hm really? I saw a few links to posts on reddit with the same username as the lemmy.ml admin. Those posts were extremely Yikes.
Edit: The lemmy.ml admin was removing my posts critical of the Chinese State, so it seems true.
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You are a wrecker who is trying to destroy lemmy. You will not succeed. Go back to 4chan where someone might believe your weird conspiracy theories.
Very open to learning that this isn’t true, if it isn’t.
That's not how this works. If you're going to make serous accusations like that, the onus is on you to provide evidence to support them.
FWIW, I have no particular loyalty to lemmy.ml, I just joined the first instance I saw.
There's obviously a strong leftist culture here
That depends on what instance you create an user on. For example, Lemmygrad.ml and Lemmy.ml are not the same thing, despite both belonging to Lemmy. The issues I see are having a tankie culture, and not having more points of view.
There are less users so less content
That's something we can help with, although it's not so easy. I mean, the users that are already here, we can create more content and interact more with each other, so eventually more users will come. It can be boring and tiring, but it's not impossible.
Federation is a stumbling block for many people
That's something absolutely new for the vast majority of people. I felt myself confused the first time I joined the fediverse too. But after some time, I felt myself less confused. Some clarifications, tutorials and support can do the real trick.
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I have to hope that main instances will stop federating Lemmygrad at some point. There's no place, IMO, for genocide denial/affirmation and authoritarian extremism on platforms like these. Or any platforms.
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Edit: Seems this is unfortunately unlikely as the lemmy.ml instance appears to be moderated by a genocide denier and authoritarian.
Who has reportedly been banning people for calling out said genocide denial and authoritarianism.
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And they removed my comments among others, for calling the Chinese state a colonial and imperialist state.
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What will the next social media trend be? Seems like the centralized options are done for (FB, TW, Reddit), but they’re not being replaced by any single solutions. Tiktok took mainly genZ. Professionals have been wanting a twitter replacement to move to since musk and have yet to figure it out (bluesky, tribel, post social, takes, mastodon, etc has no apparent frontrunner). Political apps segmented some off like parler and the right stuff. Decentralized and foss apps have all kinds of solutions but won’t likely ever attract a huge crowd. So are we seeing the end of of an era of massive centralized social media?
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So are we seeing the end of of an era of massive centralized social media?
God, I hope so.
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It's not like there's not a strong leftist culture on reddit either so I don't really see that as a problem unique to Lemmy. If Lemmy can provide a centralized-like decentralized platform, I think it can succeed.
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There isn't at all. Reddit is liberal at the very best and even then it's mostly Obama liberal, which is center right outside the most conservative parts of the world.
The leftist communities are much smaller, easily ignored, and often ridiculed in the mainstream subreddits. The gaming spaces complain about "wokeness" and criticisms of female representations among others. Thinly veiled racism and explicit transphobia abounds.
In contrast, Lemmy is full of anarchists, communists, socialists, and other anti capitalist. It has been and remains a dominantly leftist community.
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UX is whatever. Would like to see more decentralization of large hosts to avoid it inevitably being 1 or 2 big lemmy hosts with everything.
Also cross federation logins. I was so confused why my logins weren't working on other servers.
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A few hundred people will migrate but the majority will put up with shit, because they're used to swimming in it.
It will be a small percentage of Reddit. But even small percentage is way, way more than a few hundred. And the most active users (mods, post makers, etc.) are the most likely to move. The casuals who just scroll are the most likely to stay. It’s the former that make most of the content.
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I don’t. I want people who will take the extra time to add to the discussion. Most people aren’t going to want to acclimate to the fediverse which I think will filter out a lot of nonsense.
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but the majority will put up with shit
The majority of people in Reddit don't provide any value to conversation ~~of~~or information. We shouldn't really be sad that passive consumers don't follow the migration to Lemmy or more accurately to Fediverse.
I used reddit to get information and read news from active users and to engage in conversations within these topics.
People who won't follow us from Reddit, wouldn't have anything good to offer to this platform anyway so I don't think we should care to be honest.
Nothing of value was lost.
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I think to an extent that depends on how much effort/funds the devs are willing to put in to keep sites online. Say 100k people want to come and have a look on the 12th. ~1/10 of those would create accounts, if the server falls over at 11am and stays down then only 10k people will see the site, maybe 1k sign up.
If the server is up all day then I think you'd see much larger adoption.
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Lemmy structure very anarchist and I like it
Yeah, even some documentation sections look like manifestos but you can't disagree to be honest.
Reddit and the top media brought it on themselves.
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I loved that page so much. It's 100% truth what has happened, at least in my opinion.
I was made aware of lemmy because of this. Joined.
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I now have my next project: Lemmy. Going to start on it this afternoon.
Wow the vitriol, you’re the one assuming the worst in someone else here.
I'm really hoping this is too advanced for 90% of Reddit users. Reddit is such a shithole compared to 10 years ago.
ive managed to dodge the ban so far
Hilarious that a #HackerNews top voted comment on a post wrt #Reddit censoring mentions of #Lemmy effectively argues that the latter is "too geeky and hard to use" and that the former two won't be displaced because they're well known and easy to approach.
These people have ZERO self awareness. Never mind understanding about the legacy of their forums.
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the same will happen with kbin, even tho its interface is hyper similar to reddit. pretty sure that's gonna be another case of "too geeky, unusable, unstable, useless, sh!tty reddit ripoff and bad".
the "useless", as one guy said (not on here) when i mentioned lemmy: "Another sh*tty reddit ripoff? Useless"
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I saw a similar thread on Reddit itself. They had several sources that claimed mastodon had "failed to convert Twitter users", and therefore the fediverse was a waste of time and would never catch on.
I just chuckled because the longer they stay away, the better the fediverse will be (for me).
I just chuckled because the longer they stay away, the better the fediverse will be (for me).
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For everyone.
Reddit just got worse the more people used it.
I remember reddit was sorta seen that way back in the day. The concept of of subreddits that had different sorting features and the like was a lot different than forums way back when
I'm here because they banned it. Figure if they are threatened by lemmy it must be good.
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I tried that, but I couldn’t get it to work. Oh well, two accounts won’t kill me.
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CURATOR - Animated Short Film
A short film I made over the course of a couple of months. It’s the first time I’ve attempted something of this size and learned a lot in the process. The texturing is all shader to RGB stuff in eevee along with freestyle for the outlines.Blender Artists Community
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Ten years ago, Edward Snowden revealed details about US mass surveillance, including the role of the UK's GCHQ in gathering comms data globally.
Our Exec Director @jim marks the anniversary of the revelations: what they told us then and where we are now.
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Ten years ago, the first revelations about US mass surveillance were published in the UK and USA.Open Rights Group
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New #Calckey
release candidate!
⚠️ Edit: A hotfix was released as v14.0.0-rc2b! Please update to that!
So... this took a while. But without further ado, here are the:
v14.0.0-rc2 Release Notes
We are thrilled to announce a major release, including over 900 commits from various contributors, featuring an array of enhancements and new features.
Major changes:
Post Editing: 🧪 You asked, and we've delivered. Now you can view post edits from other Fediverse platforms and edit your own posts, making it easier than ever to correct mistakes or make updates. The ability to view post history is coming soon. @supakaity@blahaj.zone@april@calckey.social
Post Imports: 🧪 We've reintroduced the ability to import posts from other Misskey and Calckey instances, as well as Mastodon and Pleroma/Akkoma instances. Twitter archive import is coming soon... @april@calckey.social
Expanded Post Design: Introducing an improved and expanded post design, now with the added feature of tabs, making distinguishing between different interactions on posts seamless. @freeplay@calckey.social
New Header Design: Our sleek, new header design gives you more options for engagement, makes navigation easier, and just overall looks better. Centered icons ftw! @freeplay@calckey.social
Accessibility: We've taken big strides to make our platform more inclusive. Expect improved navigation with focus trapping, comprehensive aria labels, accessible form inputs, more control over UI animations, and much more. @freeplay@calckey.social
Server Silences: No longer do you have to choose between only federating and purely blocking another server. Admins can now silence misbehaving but non-harmful instances. @nmkj@calckey.jp
Modmail System: Moderators will appreciate this: mods can now send anonymous messages to users with moderation notes. This feature is still early in development, and may change in the near future.
New MFM effects: We've introduced two new MFM effects: $[fade ] and $[crop ] (and the new .delay modifier for all animated effects), and people are already doing really cool things with it! @Kiko@calckey.social@freeplay@calckey.social
Performance upgrades everywhere: with more Rust on the backend and heavy optimizations on the frontend, Calckey feels snappier than ever!
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cuid2 IDs: the old ID generation methods have all been deprecated in favor of cuid2, which leads to better security and less chances of errors. @nmkj@calckey.jp
Notes:
Full changelog: codeberg.org/calckey/calckey/s…
Upgrade instructions:
git pull --ff
git checkout beta
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Wonderful character! :)
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I want to make a creature design portfolio with really consistent pieces of work using the the workflow of Hardy Fowler, from Digital Painting Studio. I'm just in time for the last day of #Mermay, so here you go: A mermaid/merfolk inspired by an #Oarfish! I forgot to record the creation process, unfortunately. I'm probably going to focus on creature design the coming weeks, so you can expect more of these kinds of work.
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I want to make a creature design portfolio with really consistent pieces of work using the the workflow of Hardy Fowler, from Digital Painting Studio. I'm just in time for the last day of #Mermay, so here you go: A mermaid/merfolk inspired by an #Oarfish! I forgot to record the creation process, unfortunately. I'm probably going to focus on creature design the coming weeks, so you can expect more of these kinds of work.
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@bestiaexmachina Thanks, that's good to hear 😁 I had been staring at it for such a long time that I really started to doubt if it was any good design. Probably need to look at it with fresh eyes in a few days.
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Washington, D.C. – On May 24, the National Priorities Project at the Institute for Policy Studies released a critical new analysis of the militarized budget in the United States, “The Warfare State: How Funding for Militarism Compromises our Welfare…Christopher Johnson (PopularResistance.Org)
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Chromebooks foisted on students? Teachers monitoring what children do outside of the classroom via nonfree software? Surveillance of children is common, and it's at your child's school, too. Support #FreeSoftware u.fsf.org/32h
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Chromebooks foisted on students? Teachers monitoring what children do outside of the classroom via nonfree software? Surveillance of children is common, and it's at your child's school, too. Support #FreeSoftware u.fsf.org/32h
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“A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars, it's where the rich use public transport.”
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“A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars, it's where the rich use public transport.”
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A truly developed country has neither rich nor poor.
can you add alt-text, please?
Every day we become more ignorant until we see definitive proof that the rich are exploiting us.
This is that proof.
Bravo, Gustavo Pedro!
I always wanted my own train... 😉
It's an incorrect attribution, wrong Colombian politician, it was Enrique Peñalosa instead: kottke.org/21/11/where-the-ric…
Where the Rich Use Public Transportation…
I ran across this quote while reading about what makes Tokyo work as a city: A developed country is not a place where the poor hakottke.org
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wise words indeed
true, as long as poors can also use the same public transport. Not so true when you look at the price of train tickets
And the poor walk?
He was probably quoting Enrique Peñalosa, former mayor of Bogotá, right?
bloomberg.com/news/articles/20…
A Love Letter to the Delhi Metro
A warm reminder of just how well the international citizenship of public transit translates.Bloomberg
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developed country is a country where public transport is cheap enough for poor people and has high enough standard for wealthy class to use it daily.
... in the same class as the poor.
ca.2006, eine gute Freundin erzählt mir, wie sie beim Aussteigen in der S Bahn in Bern etwas zu hastig war und in jemanden hineingelaufen ist. Kurze Entschuldigung, dann die Erkenntnis. Es war der damalige Bundespräsident (CH). 2023, Youtube erzählt mir, es gab große Aufregung, weil sich ein Zivilist unter die Bodyguards von Bundeskanzler (D) beim Einsteigen in dessen gepanzerte Limousine gemischt hat. #verkehrswende
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I am thrilled to announce that UX and UI designer @menica is joining us to improve Godot and gamedev education!
The expertise of UX designers is unfortunately still often undervalued, so we will try to share her work and show you all the things an experienced designer sees that we often miss or don't even think about.
She will work on making educational content more accessible, interactive, and interesting.
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@gdquest Oh that's a piece of big news! 😍 I really like the work of @menica and I'm sure she'll contribute a lot to make Godot better. Congratz! 👍
It's so great that your team realizes this, bravo!:)
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Private and encrypted messenger SimpleX Chat has released version 5.1, which includes message reactions and a self-destruct passcode, among other updates.
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Private and encrypted messenger SimpleX Chat has released version 5.1, which includes message reactions and a self-destruct passcode, among other updates.
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It's not possible to protect children by banning their privacy, breaking #encryption or putting a backdoor into online services, which realistically, can be exploited by anyone. That is not protection, it's the opposite.
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