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Twitch declares “Zionist” a slur — and a bannable offense
Twitch says ‘Zionist’ can be a punishable slur.
After calls for Twitch to address antisemitism on the platform, the site’s hateful conduct policy now includes “Zionist” as a potential slur.Ash Parrish (The Verge)
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OK, so people can use the definition instead. In fact it might be more useful.
I'm still not sure what it means, judging by the comments here it (murderer / terrorist etc) it does seem to be used as a slur. So yeah, using the definition instead would be useful.
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I would like to see a version where it's pro Israel and zionist quote or terrorist quote
All tech companies eventually enshitify and we would never be able to remember all of them if they all became slurs. Lol
Twitch has become garbage anyway. I’m more on Kick for streams nowadays.
Anyway wasn’t “Zionist” suppose to be a good term for these murderers? Whether they make it a banable word, screw them. Those who defend Israel, their genocidal actions and claim that the land “belongs to them, the colonizers” are Zionists.
Even technologically Twitch has always been shit. For all the hate YT rightfully deserves, I'm kinda glad they just said "ok we do livestreaming now too" one day and it works so much better. Simply so I never have to use twitch ever again.
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The issue with YouTube is, I don't see many people on it to Stream (or I just don't look in the right direction?). I barely to not use Twitch these days, sometimes Kick but that's about it.
Hey everybody has a right to a racist ethnostate how dare people criticize the idea.
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From the link of this post that you could have clicked on:
Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”
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but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”
Yeah, how dare people try to demean someone just because they checks notes hold dehumanizing beliefs and support a government and movement bent on removing the people from their land so they can steal it and build new homes while ethnically cleansing the existing population.
smh my head.
I'm willing to get this will increase the amount of actual ethnic slurs.
It's great how people are gathering and having discussions under heavily censored platforms owned by billionaries, just amazing.
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And on top of that, pretty much all the platforms, even all the way down to this one, are censored in at least one increasingly-relevant way.
At least we can still talk about butt stuff in peace.
Friendly reminder that selfhosted streaming exists (Owncast) or online alternatives like PeerTube.
Next, "apartheid" will be anti-Semitic.
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Ethan and Hila Klein are filthy Zionists.
Sir, this isn't a Twitch.
At the same time I’d like to remind folks that not all Jewish people subscribe to Zionism.
Further to this, the majority of zionists are christians.
If you had looked at the link of this post, you would have read:
Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”
I.e. nothing is masqueraded here as long as they keep to this. This seems to be a reasonable policy. I've seen a couple of instances of people being derogatorily called zionists just for supporting the people of current Israel not being pushed away out of their now decades-old homes, which is hard to still call Zionist if they don't support any further expansion and any offensive military action.
There's almost never anything gained to use "Zionist" on someone as if saying "asshole".
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How about "genocidal assholes?"
Can they still say that?
Can they still say that?
Twitch specifies this is conditional: you’re allowed to discuss the political movement of that name, but not “attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief.”
Zionist is a political term, it has nothing to do with one’s background or religious belief.
which is hard to still call Zionist if they don't support any further expansion and any offensive military action.
Your 'if' is doing a lot of heavy lifting. And is fucking hilarious given they keep expanding and pushing people out of their decades old homes.
Funny how that part seems to be ignored in defense of zionists....
You're entirely right.
But see if the political view is only held by members or a certain religious group (even if not all members of said religion accept said political thought), it's easy to conflate it, so that you can ban anyone opposing said political thought based on "they're discriminating against me because of my religion".
Fuck twitch.
Good thing I'm an anti-zionist then I suppose.
I know there's a lot of Christians involved but how do we know it's the majority? Young Israelis are raised largely around Zionist propaganda after all.
Didn't few weeks ago it was accused of being anti Semite? This shows that it's the opposite
If you're equating the Jewish people with zionism, or conflating being in favor of zionism as somehow being benevolent to the Jewish people as a whole, you are treating the Jewish people as a monolith and are yourself being anti-semitic. Zionism is perfectly compatible with anti-semitism (see for example all those anti-semitic christians who enthusiastically support zionism), and anti-zionism is in itself not anti-semitic (cf Jewish voice for peace).
So making "zionist" a slur has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with being anti-anti-semitic or not.
I removed my comment because I realized after that I've would be interpreted like that. I don't believe that all Jews are zionists
Fair enough, all good. I'm leaving mine up because I think the point about the conflation of anti-zionism and anti-semitism being in itself antisemitic bears repeating.
Zionists identify themselves as zionists. How's that a slur?
This might be out of context for the article, but once we are in /c/technology get this: GIMP is a slur, and their slogan during startup is "we glitch because we twitch" which makes me want to kick them in the nuts every time I use the fucking software.
Is this why we should not delegate the control of hate speech to the state, because it will always blow up in our faces?
Twitch is not the state
Sure it isn't. Let's review this when the state does the same thing lol.
Jewish Supremacism was the instigating lobby for such laws. They wanted to enable other "supremacist liberal-themed" movements to take advantage, and hopefully ally, with Zionism. Me too, at the height of the cultural wars, essentially was representing that women can never lie.
An inherent problem with equality, awareness for oppressed groups, advocacy is that the advocacy never stops at equality. The ADL is canonical example of supremacist overreach.
I am not subscribing to this bullshit, and I am sad my comment enabled you to spew it out. "Me too" was a valid and necessary movement to combat sexual assaults that were institutionalized in many industries and protected by law enforcement and judicial authorities. Many prominent figures went rightfully to jail for sex crimes, and the proportion of women lying about it is rather small to make a political argument off it. Tracing back "liberal-themed supremacy movements" to Jewish supremacism sounds to me quite close to Nazi conspiracy theory, to take any of this seriously. I am sorry this reached my feed, and I can't wait to engage the likes of you in combat.
sorry to be triggering, but there is a link between zionists using "Jews have a history of oppression" linking to "everything a zionist says is true" is a related tactic to "empowerment advocacy" doesn't stop after equality achieved. Hate crime legislation was sponsored by zionists, but they welcomed allies into broadening protections. Flipping out over the comment is a supremacist tactic.
The same way I don't think we should capitulate to framing "cracker" as a slur, or to framing "black lives matter" as a racist thing to say, I don't think we should capitulate to framing things like "from the river to the sea" or "zionist" as antisemitic.
But, as a thought experiment, let's indulge in this doublespeak trash. What is a good alternative? So far I've got:
- Israeli colonizers
- Jewish supremacists
- genocidal sacks of shit
- Israeli apartheidists
- Isreal expansionists
- Israeli warmongerers
- people in favor of the genocide and apartheid committed by Israel (in full, every time you need to say zionist)
- modern day nazis
- zionazis (technically not zionist!)
So all of this liberal crybaby nomenclature trash aside, I actually do think "zionist" is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too). While one faction of zionism pursued the nakba and massacres from fairly early on, and while this faction has been quite successful, there are other notions of zionism which do not entail murdering children or colonizing a country. When Netanyahu and Chomsky can both legitimately refer to themselves as zionists, I think it's clear that zionism is too broad a term to be useful in the current ongoing genocide and the ethnic cleansing that has been going on for the better part of a century.
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These are indeed very good alternatives
I'm partial to three, m'self.
the problem is that about 75% of people have no idea what happened during the partition plan and 20% who do think what the Zionists did were justified (even pre partition/pre war/war time(
Izan - Nazi backwards Iz A Nazi or IzrAeli Nazi
Are they gonna lock up genocide joe for hate crimes?
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TBH people should talk about zionism and zionists much more.
But Zionism isn't a religion, it's a nationalist movement.
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I identify myself as a homosexual.
I've heard homo being used in a derogatory way as an insult. That usage should not be tolerated.
Retarded is just a medical term, yet you can use it as an insult as well.
That is what this "specification of conditional" aims at. It's fine to use the word in a descriptive way, you're just not allowed to go around angrily calling people "fucking zionist"
There's about 100 million evangelical christians in the US, and a LifeWay poll in 2017 showed that about 80% essentially considered themselves zionists. That's 80 million. There's 15.8 million jews worldwide. So the non-Jewish zionists outweigh Jewish zionists by a fair margin. Heck, they outweigh the zionist and the non-zionist jews taken together by a beefy margin, even.
Do a lot of slurs have a wikipedia page?
Yes, probably most of them...
I actually do think “zionist” is in itself a fairly useless term for the Israeli apartheid question (as Norman Finkelstein and Judith Butler do too).
Do any of the forms of zionism (a belief that they should own the land) involve market purchases of the land they would like? (instead of settler colonial theft?)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/*remov…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetbac…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(…
So yeah. Not that 'Zionist' is a slur
Edit: Really, shitty censorship bot? We're adulterating URLs now, and selectively only that specific slur? Gross on both counts
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sooo twitch declares the Zionist movement offensive? and should only discussed in sn academic sense? /s
wow twitch, very brave!!
They use the word starting with F not the word homosexual
Except not all Zionists are Jews, many are Christian.
Well, I guess, but... you could argue that Zionists are mostly seen to be purely Jewish due to the nature of the movement.
"How dare you use a word that means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate' in a way that explicitly means 'genocidal, imperialist, apartheid, ethnostate'!" - Twitch, active supporters and enablers of genocidal, imperialist, apartheid ethnostates.
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Waiting for the free-speech absolutists to boycott twitch for this (they won't)
One of the orchestrators of this whole thing, Destiny, defends child porn and the use of slurs.
Ironic is putting it lightly.
They probably don't like zionazi either. Neither this nor zionist is a code word for Jew. The entire political class, the great majority being Christian, and their donors are zionist, because going with the flow of AIPAC is path to get your candidates to also serve your oligarchist or Christofascist protections.
Netanyahuists or likudists or Mossadists or Epsteinists ok?
BTW, Chuck Shumer is going to allow a vote in Senate over this "criticism of zionism is anti semitic" law in US. Reddit also supports mods who recomend permabans over criticism of zionism already.
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Which makes the blob anti-semitic for saying anti-zionism is anti-semitic.
Okay, now streamers can get more creative when refering to a zionist. I think that 'bibi's removed' is a good term.
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That kind of sucks, but it should only be for a dev release
They already banned a swathe of pro-palestinian political streamers in the run up to the US election, so this is likely retroactive reasoning.
How do you people propose to call them? Expansionists? Colonialists? Genocidists?
Israeli supremacists
That's an insane number. Must be a very broad definition of Zionist.
I really don't like the censorship of speech from either side. People have a right to choose their own words and suffer the consequences for the words they choose.
oh no, statistics that challenge my world view! Quick, let's not look into it at all and move the goal posts!
Could you at least try to engage in this discussion? Or maybe come up with any evidence supporting your world view?
A different definition of the term isn't a different worldview. Also, not immediately spinning every exchange into an exhaustive debate isn't a critical character flaw. Unlike being an insufferable ass about not getting the amount of attention you apparently feel entitled to.
Though I would take look at that poll about 80% of Christians being "essentially" Zionists if you'd link to it.
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@Alsephina okay, how about "the baddies"?;)
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Why are people preferring Blue Sky over Mastodon?
Mastodon has been around since 2016 and has 804k MAU.
The platform has 57 third party apps.
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
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That is why Mastodon is hard to get mainstream because not everyone wants extra effort to do this. Even, Twitter, threads and bluesky much better to filter their language content
I was really impressed by this feature when I signed up recently! It baffles me a little bit to see newspapers and things not taking advantage of it.
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Simplicity.
People hated him because he spoke the truth.
To paraphrase my opinion from back then:
- Easier onboarding, and a familiar, easier UX
- customizable feeds you can subscribe to + starterpacks instantly give you full timelines and people to follow (and followers, if you're in many starter packs)
- better discoverability, and therefore higher engagement
- stacking moderation and excellent security features (e.g. detachable quote boosts, "the nuclear block")
- many users who tried Mastodon first had bad experiences with "HOA"-like behavior and over-enthusiastic mods
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Home Owners Association a group or people that "polices" neighbors and has a hisyory of doing shady things. But he's referring to the actitude of "coming outta nowhere to tell you what to do" they have in common.
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What S_H_K said, people have reported being rebuked for posting pictures without ALT-text and not CW-ing uncommon things like eye-contact or food, for example. One person notably received angry messages for posting about cutting their finger on a sheet of paper without CW. The worst accounts were of POC talking about racism they experienced and being told to put it under CW.
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Yeah, turns out weird, hostile, anti-social nerds are weird, hostile, and anti-social, and they probably ruined our best shot at freeing the web from VC backed corporate control of communication.
Personally, I'm excited there's a decentralized option that's super popular. Yes, relatively very few run their own PDS, but if the main bsky instance becomes a problem for anyone, people can easily migrate.
It's not just data ownership either; The AT protocol supports community-built algorithms, relays, and app views.
I wouldn't say it's truly decentralised in its current state.
The whole thing's just a scam to off-load data storage costs to super-users. It's sad that people are excited about it.
People want to leave X, but they still want the same old, rather than new stuff to make things better as a whole. They don't want to have to do this "pick a server" thing, they want to have an algorithm spoonfeed them popular content, and it would be best for them to have to put in zero extra effort. In Masto you have to put in the hashtags to get found, and search for and follow people and hashtags to find stuff you want, and essentially DIY-ing your feed seems to be too much work for people.
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whay, or rather who is Blue sky?
I'm dabbling in Bluesky atm. Having run my own Masto server for over a year at this point. Here's things I've found that Bluesky does just plain better - mostly cause it's not beholden to the whims of the ActivityPub protocol.
- Shows me all replies to any post I happen to come across.
- Lets me see all posts about things I happen to search/look for, including hashtags.
- I don't have to worry about being unable to see content I haven't personally blocked (not so much of an issue on a small/single server like mine though).
- I can repost things (not actually too bothered with this one but many people want it).
- I can set per post reply permissions to a very granular level (no-one, mentioned, followers, specific followers)
- It handles video in a way that works i.e. I can post them, and people can watch them with minimal buffering/waiting.
- Gives me access to community built collections/algorithms that expose the content I want to see.
- It defaults to providing an additional feed driven by what the people I'm following are liking/interacting with.
- Finally, a big one for new users, it provided a default feed of content when I first logged in so that I had something to look at.
The first two are huge on a small/single user server. By default we get nothing, following a single account will get us the content of just that account and the replies that they happen to reply to. A post may get 200 replies, but unless I go looking on the original server I will see a fraction of that. Technical solutions exist to help with this but the Fediverse's penchant for privacy and control (quite rightly) limits the effectiveness (Fedifetcher, GetMoarFedi).
3 is something most people won't think about. But if they become aware they're not seeing something they thought they'd be able to they then have to deep dive into who's defederating who and why.
Most all the other points just make the whole thing a much more seamless experience for your average user. Bootstrapping a list of people to follow on a small server is hard (I'd absolutely recommend creating a Fediverse account somewhere large first to build up some sort of list before migrating)
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Every platform and app I've seen does a piss poor job of explaining what federation is and how to sign up. "Wtf is mastodon.social?, Why is this one in German?, Why can't I login after signing up?" New users just get confused and give up.
people struggle with the concept of federation and picking a server
This is a HUGE reason. I didn't know when I first signed up for Lemmy that I was on what is essentially a tankie instance. I didn't know when I signed up for Pixelfed that I wasn't going to be able to see shit because the first server I signed up for wasn't really federated with anyone and I've mostly given up on it. I still can't see a bunch of stuff on Mastodon without switching through several accounts with no rhyme or reason.
I've said before that I obviously like it here because I'm using the services, but it's not easy. Most people don't know about the fediverse, and most of those that do want to be passive about maintaining their social media. Most of the fediverse is built for nerds.
Mastodon has been around since 2016 and has 804k MAU.The platform has 57 third party apps.
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
Are you asking about "people" or "nerds"? People prefer Bluesky due to its simplicity and momentum. There are more popular outlets using it. If you're assuming that People would prefer the complexity of the Fediverse and instances, if you think People know what a decentralized community run server is, you're a "nerd" (for lack of a better term, I'm sorry).
The battle has always been the same: Windows v. Apple, Android v. iOS, SMS Twitter v. App Twitter. Some people prefer flexibility and investing time in making things work the way they want (Nerds). Some people want an out of the box product that's well designed and efficient (People).
Fifty Seven Third Party Apps is not a selling point - that's called anxiety inducing fragmentation. Some people want to walk down the grocery store aisle and choose between 57 options for toilet paper and some people just want "good", "better", "best". The reality is that most people just want to be told what to do. They have too much shit going on in their lives to care about "decentralization".
Mastodon will never challenge well financed closed or semi-open platforms. As it's designed, it's apparent it never intended to. It will continue to grow at a slow rate as an alternative. Hopefully, the fediverse is realized and you can choose to host your own server and gain access to other social platforms.
The reality is that this stuff costs money. In the near future, you'll have the same three choices with social media as we do with other services: ad-subsidized, subscription, self-hosted. Anything with ads is going to have an algorithm. Anything with a subscription is going to have a board of directors. Selfhosting comes with a steep learning curve.
Unpopular opinion here, but: as opposed to other twitter clones like Hive Social and such, that also look sleek and are simple, but didn't go anywhere, Bluesky did manage to attract a sizeable crowd of creative and talented open source indie devs that are passionate about it and build cool stuff on atproto. Whether it's custom feeds or star sign labelers or alternative clients that add more features or entirely new appviews like the oekaki board PinkSea, you get the feeling it is a pretty vibrant ecosystem and this has sustained it all these months.
While this is true for the Fediverse as well, I think it's fair to say that there have been rumblings here about lack of direction and proper stewardship of the Fediverse and if you want this place to succeed you can't just sweep it under the rug, shrug your shoulders and say "well, people who pick Bluesky over Mastodon are just stupid".
I've shared my thoughts a couple times in similar threads 1 and 2, but to summarize:
One reason is because I think other protocols have some advantages. AT is better end user ease of use wise, and plans to let you control your account via a keypair (already possible with your own PDS). Nostr is more heavily decentralized and considerably more flexible than the other two. That can siphon off existing users or have new users drawn to those spaces. Not to say that ActivityPub doesn't also have its own advantages too, but everybody has different preferences and there's now more choice.
There's also some Activity Pub specific toxicity issues. Too aggressive defederation leads to a point where you can't communicate with most people, and there's some opinions in the space that have turned some people away.
But of course things go up and down, and are never a strait line. I'm guessing all three big protocols will continue to grow, and as they get more interconnected everybody wins, and even if Activity Pub has hit a slump the ecosystem of people you can talk to using it has grown 10x+.
Outside if summarizing my previous takes, there have been some new(ish) things I've seen that don't quite sit right. Things from the top down like the social web director refusing to go to conferences that people from other protocols will be present and encouraging people to not even talk about other protocols. Or - anicdotally - seeing random users happy that the influxes are going to others because they don't want 'normies' on Activity Pub or declaring anybody still using Twitter/X a Nazi sympathizer if not an outright Nazi. If the Activity Pub scene is getting really protectionist it could start also having a negative effect.
Again, overall I expect it to continue trending upwards, and there's a plethora of factors that are unrelated to anything negative regarding Activity Pub's community, but the above (and previous two posts) are the stuff I figured worth bringing up and potentially factors in why ActivityPub has seen weaker adoption compared to the other two big ones more recently.
Can you guys help explain it to someone completely inexperienced?
I had Twitter but only used it for following music venues to see upcoming events and bars for happy hour updates. I have a Mastodon account but only played with it for a few minutes because i didn't really get it. I don't understand following a person. What can one person have to say that i would care enough about to download an app. What am i missing?
It isn't one person that people go onto a micro blogging service for, but a variety of people.
Imagine if there were two twitters, and you only sign up for one but you can read and comment on posts for both.
Now imagine if anybody can install their own Twitter, and anybody else can sign up on either one, and they can all talk to each other like that.
It wasn't why Mastodon. It was why Twitter or twitter-like apps.
I've got an idea as to why.
I went to mastodon.social and see a Linux meme, some heavy political commentary, and a bunch of posts about mastodon being better than Twitter.
I then went to bluesky.app and see some political riffing, cute animals, a comic, some jokes, a company, and even Don Lemon.
The average person checking them both out for the first time, mastodon is nerd shit and Bluesky is normal shit.
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Feels like deciding in 2010 between Twitter and Reddit in some ways...
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I've tried to stick with mastodon for a while and after using it for months, your description of checking it out is STILL what my feeds look like. That's all there seems to be on Mastodon.
People like simple and easy to use.
Bluesky got that, fediverse in general don't have that.
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Bluesky is federated
Star power. High production values. Less complex (appears to be more centralized, immediately easy to conceptualize as "twitter but not right wing")
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Best answer yet IMO. The cohesive experience is essential to the branding, and low threshold for entry.
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You have to understand we are not normal users. Anyone even remotely interested in federated software are not normal users.
Bluesky may not have 57 third party apps and that’s why people are flocking to it. It’s easy. The signup process through the app involved no selecting of servers, no understanding of what it actually is under the hood, and users are greeted by a default algorithm that feels very much like old Twitter before Musk.
Basically, regular users do not care about the fediverse and just want a competent and polished app and site experience.
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Because no one made a droolproof guide to migrating to Mastodon and Bluesky put money into it.
For people who can't remember their password, it's preferable.
Sign up process is easier. No existential decisions to be made to get started.
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Mastodon is a pain in the ass to get signed up for anyone under room temperature IQ, so, like, most of Twitter's users, even the ones smart enough to leave.
I have a friend who has had a mastodon instance since it was gnu social, and there are two reasons I stopped using it.
First, the UI sucks. He installed 3 or 4 different skins and they were all barely usable. I don't want or need something flashy, xfce is my favorite windows manager, but it needs to at least work and not be confusing.
Second, the people suck. It went from being okay to by the time I left I don't think I was seeing any exchanges that didn't have antisemitism or racism.
Because people will choose convenience over their vey own survival. Also, in this case, they apparently don’t see a problem with leaving Twitter because it’s MAGA to join BS which is backed by MAGA money. Convenience über alles. Ethics be damned. I’m fine with people like that not joining the fediverse.
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Because people will choose convenience over their vey own survival.
Average users do not even remotely care about federated software and/or decentralisation. That is techno-babble to them and their eyes will glaze over if you try to market that to them.
That being said: Mastodon does a shit job at explaining how it works, how to use it, and what its advantages are. The Joinmastodon landing page just assumes you already know how a fair bit about instances work and what federated software is and does a very poor job explaining it. And even then, most users won't care either way. They just want to click a Join button and be done.
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That's exactly what drove me into seeking out Lemmy instead. I hopped on Mastodon and it made me feel like I was being coralled into following some niche hobby forum exclusively, and I wasn't into that. It didn't explain that the instance itself was largely irrelevant and that the rest of the platform would open up to me after choosing one.
Lemmy still had a learning curve, but having experience with reddit I was able to pick it up easily enough.
I mute a few more non-English accounts each time I use Mastodon
57 different 3rd party apps is probably a good start. Mastodon has to be easy to on-board and it isn’t for someone with no technical understanding what domains, servers or instances are. To that group Bluesky makes sense. You are signing up for Bluesky. Try to onboard that group to mastodon and they don’t understand if they are on mastodon.social or mastodon.world or any other instance.
Why would they be on one of those fringe services with less users than bluesky? That’s what a non expert understands
Bluesky is federated and mit licensed
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What is with all these wall of text answers guys?
Twitter people like Twitter and Twitter man for making it.
Twitter now not Twitter is now X and no more Twitter man.
Twitter people not like TeslaSpace man.
Twitter man make BlueSky.
No elephant needed to make this story work. Remember: twitter brain cannot handle too many characters.
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Since bluesky is mit licensed, what's to stop a fork if something goes wrong?
what's to stop a activitypub and atproto compatibility?
It's because of the connotation with an overrated metal band of the same name.
/s for the overly serious
The people leaving Twitter right now want Twitter minus Elon. That's Bluesky. They've heard a couple of their Twitter follows mention it and they've gone to their app store where they find an app called Bluesky, install it and easily join and start using it. Once they do they are finding it pretty straightforward to find people they used to follow on Twitter.
That's all people want.
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It's just easier. I have both but I almost never use Mastodon anymore. Federation there doesn't seem to work right. I didn't know what an instance was so I joined mastodon.social. Finding and following people in the app doesn't always seem to work right if they're on another instance. Doing it in a browser is even more painful.
The people I liked to follow and interact with on X, many tried Mastodon and abandoned it, and many more are now on Bluesky. This creates momentum to "follow the crowd" as it were.
Additionally, you only have one chance to make a first impression. A lot of us tried Mastodon earlier and it wasn't ready. Bluesky started as invite-only, which drummed up interest before catching this zeitgeist of people leaving X.
Lastly, and maybe it's just me, but the font sizing on the official Mastodon app on Android is generally too small and can't be changed. Bluesky allows me to change it and make it more comfortable to use.
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Evidentially mastodon makes it hard to find people on purpose unless you know their name "to stop harassment" I'm told, except I'm not sure how it does that at all and it just makes it harder to use the damn platform. That's my one real complaint about mastodon.
They're the same answer.
You need money to market applications to users. Bluesky is sold the same way that Twitter is, your favorite moron celebrity might hit like or retweet on your stuff.
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This practically means nothing tbh. Social networks when they gain economies of scale due to the network effect will effectively shed all the pretense of open source and open platform etc.
We've seen it with Facebook, Google, etc, during the 2010's with closing of chat standards and destruction of XMPP. Reddit 3rd Party API access is another example of this. We'll see it again.
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This exactly. I didn't join Lemmy for a long time, because I would search for "Lemmy", get confused when I see a page asking me to "pick an instance" instead of seeing a front page, and then leave because I thought that they were all independent from each other.
It wasn't until reddit killed my favorite app that I finally decided to put in the effort to figure it out.
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I'm running my own PDS on the AT Protocol 🤷♂️
It's the path of least resistance to achieve Musklessness. The second two of the positives you listed are actually negatives to the average Joe. Choice paralysis, overwhelming number of apps and servers, these are things that put people off even trying, especially if there are easier-to-use alternatives that are familiar and instant.
Mastodon is great, but it's not quite there yet in terms of convenience. Too much copying and pasting and clicking through to different instances in order to read old posts etc. It needs to be more cohesive in a way that doesn't require constantly leaving your timeline or going into the settings.
It's also the case that the Twitter diaspora who are famous tend to choose BlueSky, and that brings a lot of people along with them.
And it's also the case that Mastodon doesn't have much of a marketing campaign outside of word-of-mouth, whereas BlueSky does.
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Do you use Mastodon on the web or app?
None of that applies here, can you give a specific method?
Tbf the internet is entirely comprised of like 6 websites if you ask the average Joe, and I'm damn inclined to agree as someone who remembers webrings fondly and misses geocities (it's like the bell curve meme lol, and btw yes I know about neocities I'm just sleeping on it).
But I agree, if they can email they can mastodon, it's the same shit.
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This article gives a good view from an average user's perspective.
zdnet.com/article/i-tried-repl…
The platform is decentralized and has community ran servers.
For most people that's a complication, not a bonus.
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Why is anyone usi5any of them? They're all clogged toilets overflowing the same shit onto the flower.
We need a community owned centralized service. I don't think the mastodon model is a good one for social media, it's too complicated.
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Because BlueSky will get them more engagement than Mastodon.
Because you install the app, make an account, and use it and now it has more celebs I guess.
People want a 100%, 1:1, perfect clone of immediate pre-Musk Twitter. They want Twitter without Musk.
Bluesky is a 100%, 1:1, perfect clone of immediate pre-Musk Twitter. It is Twitter without Musk.
It looks exactly like Twitter, it feels exactly like Twitter (both the Web interface and the official app), and it's for tech-illiterate dumb-dumbs.
Only recently has an instance selector been added to the sign-up process of the official app, but Bluesky still markets itself to its users as the self-same kind of centralised monolithic silo as Twitter and Facebook.
Mastodon has a vastly different UI and UX from immediate pre-Musk Twitter, but people don't want to learn anything new. And truth be told, I've read from Misskey/Forkey users that Misskey and the Forkeys actually have an easier-to-use Web UI than Mastodon.
Also, Mastodon advertises the fact that it's decentralised with lots of instances to choose from, even though the gGmbH would rather want everyone to be on mastodon.social. This freaks people out.
Joining Mastodon is actually no more difficult than joining Bluesky in practice because the official app railroads everyone to mastodon.social without forcing them. But people won't know until they've actually installed and opened that app.
The only reason why Mastodon grew so quickly to such an enormous size in late 2022 was because it was the only alternative to Twitter that anyone knew, including those who pulled Twitter users onto Mastodon. The only other advantage it had over anything else was that, unlike Twitter, it didn't have Musk and uncontained droves of Nazis. Had people been sent to Akkoma or Calckey instead of Mastodon, it would have exploded the same.
Inb4 "How can people use e-mail then?" That's because everyone's on Gmail, and many think e-mail is a proprietary Google product.
Well lots of offoces used Microsoft for email and out sode i workd email is password reset, receipts, and new account confirmation. When the last i sent and email that wasn't work or those things? About 8 years ago.
But yes tryings to explain instance and federation to a regular user is only going to confuse them. We need mastodon to be a sample as login and use. If we bring up a single tecnical term we lose people.
I’ve read from Misskey/Forkey users that Misskey and the Forkeys actually have an easier-to-use Web UI than Mastodon
The *keys have a UI that has a similar design language to Twitter, but a fairly different layout. I think it's close enough that people would recognize it as "Twitter, but different", vs Mastodon's "Twitter, but archaic, and also different, and therefore confusing".
The *keys also had many of the features that Twitter migrants complained were lacking from Mastodon. But trying to talk to anyone on Mastodon about platforms that aren't Mastodon was a total non-starter. Mastodon is a giant Mastodon circle jerk.
It made my soul sad.
But the real issue with Mastodon is that it has a significant population of people who believe it's a sacrosanct cultural space, and that are very vocal about telling anyone coming into it that they need to learn the local customs or GTFO. The push-and-pull between "we want to be mainstream" and also "fuck the mainstream normies" is palpable, and super cringey, and it turns people away quickly.
The *keys also had many of the features that Twitter migrants complained were lacking from Mastodon. But trying to talk to anyone on Mastodon about platforms that aren’t Mastodon was a total non-starter. Mastodon is a giant Mastodon circle jerk.
If you see someone tell Mastodon users that the Fediverse isn't Mastodon, they're hardly ever on Mastodon themselves. They're most likely on Friendica which suffers the most from obnoxious Mastodon users, and if not, they're likely to be on Firefish or Akkoma or sometimes on Hubzilla.
The most extreme case I've encountered was a Mastodon developer who tried to convince me, a Hubzilla veteran, that Mastodon is literally the only feature-complete project in the Fediverse. Fortunately for him, I didn't ask him about full text formatting support, permissions, nomadic identity, multiple independent identities on one login, WebDAV/CalDAV/CardDAV or a built-in wiki engine.
But the real issue with Mastodon is that it has a significant population of people who believe it’s a sacrosanct cultural space, and that are very vocal about telling anyone coming into it that they need to learn the local customs or GTFO.
Worse yet, "coming into it" is also applied to everything in the Fediverse that isn't Mastodon. After learning that there's, in fact, more than Mastodon in the Fediverse, many Mastodon users still think Eugen Rochko has invented the Fediverse, and everything must have come after Mastodon.
Thus, even Friendica users who have been around since before Mastodon even saw its very first release are being forced to ditch Friendica's own culture, adopt Mastodon's culture instead and stop using all of Friendica's features that Mastodon doesn't have. And Friendica is five and a half years older than Mastodon. It has its own well-defined culture which is very different from Mastodon's because Friendica is so much different from Mastodon.
It's almost like European colonists vs natives, only that the European colonists didn't assume the natives had entered the previously completely uninhabited land after them.
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That's why. That's the reason.
but you could review the instance beforehand...
Is Jimbo Normalman going to review the instance beforehand? Lmao.
Are you talking about a Bhutan instance lmao!
There's a high amount of friction to get people to join the Fediverse. I had to put in more effort than I'd like to figure out how things worked.
My biggest worry was picking the wrong Mastodon instance and then having no easy way to migrate my stuff to another server. Even after you pick your instance, there's so much setup for things that you kinda just expect to work.
I don't get the rush or the need.
Everything trickles down here anyway. If you're ONLY on Lemmy and Mastodon, you're still getting way more actual news than the average joe. Popular, shmopular.
I'm trying to remember a time in the last thirty years where something becoming popular made it better. It's usually the opposite.
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I honestly can't wrap my head around how to use Mastodon. Idk how to search for things that would interest me.
I'm just glad Lemmy exists.
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Search for hashtags. And from that, follow people and hashtags.
Easy enough? (I hope so. I can't explain it easier but if you need it...)
I remember the “big movement” when Twitter turned into a right wing cesspool.
At first, the biggest problem was that there were TWO main alternatives: Mastodon and Bluesky. So those who left split into two groups, ending up with a dead timeline, missing out on news. (I and my “bubble” use it to keep up with Covid vaccines, politics, safety etc.)
I joined the Mastodon group, because it solves the problem of a single crazy billionaire potentially buying & enshittifying it. But I fully admit that it is not user friendly at all. People who are not in IT just want it to WORK, like Twitter used to. They don’t want to “educate themselves” about servers, fediverse and networks. The user experience clearly hasn’t even been a thing. It’s techies writing software for themselves. What it needs is a full analysis of the experience from the start: Who are you, user, why are you considering Mastodon, what are your expectations, what are the experiences in the first 30 seconds after entering “mastadon” (oh, you misspelled it?) or “twitter alternative” into a search engine, etc. “pick an instance” is already the passive-aggressive demand nobody wants to hear.
In the end, my instance was shut down without a fair warning, all the reconnected and new contacts lost, no option to move. Trying Bluesky now, but many stayed at Twitter (now X), moved to Mastodon with or without success (most onto my dead instance), or gave up on microblogging.
I think we need something simple again. I remember what SUSE did for Linux in the 90s. Linux users were all like: Only debian is even somewhat useable, but if you should really do LFS. Non-techies willing to switch for “political” or other reasons were hit in the face with “Pick a distro!!!”. SUSE has been called “the Windows among the Linux distros” by those people, but it did the right thing. It provided exactly the simplification we needed: “This is Linux, you simply buy it on CD in a retail store like your other software, you run the installer.” It was a good thing.
IRC is the one good old thing that still works great. When they tried to enshittify freenode, we just moved, collectively. Many non-IT channels & servers died after 2010, though.
The "just pick an instance!" and "my instance shut down" thing is a core pain point here.
BlueSky is corporately run, and it's semi-centealized. This is bad for the internet, but it's good for the user. At least on the surface. And that's what users care about. It provides a sense of stability, and an umspoken promise that if anything happens, it's the company's fault, and the company's problem.
The fediverse is run by hobbiests. You join some hobbiest's forum or microblog, it connects to a bunch of other hobbiest's forums or microblogs, and if things break, oh well, it's just a hobby! And if that hobby becomes stressful for the hobbiest, they just abandon the hobby.
Leaving the users holding the bag.
The fediverse is unstable as an end user, because, as it's currently structured, it's not really designed to have end users. It's designed to have hobbiest tinkerers. It's right in the oft repeated motto of tne of the fediverse: users should own their data!
But who owns the data in the fediverse? Who actually controls it?
Server admins.
You own your data by self-hosting.
Like a giant computer nerd.
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because bsky actually listened to their users and implemented features they asked for unlike mastodon who attacked migrators during the first twitter migration.
bsky also had a bunch of marginalised people - including trans people - as early adopters that helped shape their views on moderation.
because bsky actually listened to their users and implemented features they asked for unlike mastodon who attacked migrators during the first twitter migration.
The issue I have with this narrative is that the features migrators wanted already existed in the Fediverse, on Misskey, Friendica, Pleroma, Akkoma, etc. If anyone wanted to actually listen to those of us trying to point them to those options, things might have been a little different. But those voices were drowned out by the Mastodon circle jerk, and people didn't actually grok the whole federation thing well enough to understand that they could follow the same people from any of the different softwareseseses.
The fediverse isn't Mastodon, and we all do it a huge disservice by continuing to talk about it as if it were, even as we use a different fediverse platform.
I don't know. But one potential advantage of bsky over mastodon is the data and real account migration capability between instances.
Also bsky is run by a company and overall infra is better than most community instances of mastodon, so people will see better performance and more ad/pr visibility of the platform.
Theverge and washingtompost are
I never post, but I do follow a couple of channels on bluesky and mastodon. Bluesky always just works. Mastodon breaks all the freaking time.
What exactly breaks?
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Idk the webpage doesn't load, or i get some kind of weird error, or it seems to load but the persons profile shows they have no posts. Refreshing after a minute usually fixes it. But bluesky always loads faster in FF mobile and it seems much more reliable.
That has never happened to me. May I ask which instance you signed up on? I'm curious to try signing up there myself
Msdn.social, that's where my account and the person who's profile I look at are
msdn.social gives me 'server not found'
At least for Japanese users, they want to see content they love from creators relevant to them.
Creators = illustrator, comic artist, photographer, cosplayer, writer, etc.
Creators want a stable platform that allows them to widen their reach and potentially making more money.
Mastodon at the moment are tend to be hostile against creators that wants to monetize their work.
Not to forget, the creator you want to follow are on defederated or blocks your instance for random admin drama.
But hey, at least fediverse software like Misskey actually trying to serve these community. Like allowing community ads (like promoting indie comics, vtuber, or social event) and trying to be stable by resolving any potential instance problem together with zero drama. Misskey community also often have tendency to "decoupling from Western tech supremacy"
Two words: Nomadic identity
First, Bluesky's nomadic identity isn't worth shit if nobody knows that there's more than one instance.
Next, it has yet to be proven to work because nobody has daily-driven it yet.
Finally, if you want nomadic identity that's actually proven to work, don't join Bluesky. Join Hubzilla. Nomadic identity, established in 2012, some four years before Mastodon, daily-driven by probably hundreds or thousands of people since then.
I'm not even kidding. The Fediverse had nomadic identity four years before it had Mastodon.
Because most people don't exactly want a community-led social platform that respects you and empowers user freedom, even if some say they do.
Bluesky is promising a Twitter-like experience. They promote their ties to the former Twitter, and promise algorithms, dopamine-inducing "reach" and "engagement", paid subscriptions, some degree of centralized control (primarily of the network's infrastructure), and a for-profit VC-funded company, all under the guise of federation. They claim a mastodon-like brand that they are yet to deliver.
Your complaint is about an unknown instance admin committing a maintenance mistake. Will bluesky's promised federation protect against that? You could join an instance managed by a well funded public entity if you want something that gets close to VC-funding. (which aren't that reliable either. Look how many of these start-up platforms go away)
Because they liked Twitter, and Bluesky is (presumably) like Twitter before Elmo bought it.
Interest in hobbies related to commercial brands (following sports, movie franchises, etc.)
When you even mention that you'd like to follow brand accounts, people start shouting at you how commercial scum needs to be banned/defederated.
Of course people move to platforms where their interests are represented.
I'm sure a certain percentage of people can't spell mastodon.
See this is part of the problem.
Dude was like "look at this objectively terrible experience I actually had" \
And you are like "yeah well that could happen to bsky in theory too, so they're just as bad!"
I've been a mastodon user for almost 2 years, but I never use it because finding interesting people to subscribe to who are actually active is difficult.\
I haven't been using bsky because I've really been hoping mastodon takes off, but whenever I hear about how easy it is to onboard and find interesting content, I think about switching.
I mean if a centralized social media is what you want just join threads and cut the chase. The complaint they made, bluesky's federation does not solve. It is only not apparent because they have only one instance right now, similar to threads and Twitter.
What an absolutely braindead reply.
Mastodon had a bad experience for that person. \
Blue sky didn't.\
Their experience wasn't unique.\
End of story.
You're doing mental gymnastics to misinterpret their argument. Nobody said they want centralized social media you absolute lemon. They want a user experience that doesn't suck. Right now, blue sky provides that while mastodon doesn't.
"Oh but bsky's federation doesn't solve Mastodon's problem" they don't have to solve Mastodon's problem.
Elitist neckbeards like you are the reason the fediverse isn't fun.
I tried bluesky (bs?) for 5 minutes. Clicked one thing, saw the comment "Sunsets are my love language," and realized that these are not my people.
Your mental breakdown is reeking of self esteem issues. Go be a lunatic somewhere else and stop wasting my time.
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Researchers Gave LSD and Humans To Dogs — And Something Magical Happened
Researchers Gave LSD and Humans To Dogs — And Something Magical Happened
In what may be the most interesting study of the year, researchers searching for answers about autism spectrum disorder looked at the brains of dogs and humans on LSD.Elana Spivack (Inverse)
For my fellow clickbait haters
In a new paper published today in the journal Advanced Science, researchers from China and the U.K. become the first to demonstrate inter-brain activity coupling between two species. The study goes on to illustrate not only how a mutation associated with ASD is linked to much lower coupling, but how a dose of LSD could help two brains intertwine.
A bunch of that paper is over my head - but they do seem to say that the change is sustained ~~(with or without more doses???)~~ EDIT: single dose has lasting effects /EDIT and that there may be encouragement for increases in social engagement for ASD humans with a therapeutic LSD dose.
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Hopefully this puts LSD on a path to being easier to research and potentially becoming part of an approved therapy for certain conditions.
Old religious people: "Absolutely not, for no reason whatsoever."
You're doing god's work, son.
Dog telepathy?
I’ve only read the headline but I bet it fucking did
In fact I’d love to trip with a dog
So they fed LSD and humans to dogs?
and something magical happened.
The dog thought it could talk in human, but all it was really doing was barking erratically and shaking in a pool of blood, eyes wide and staring at an Eldritch god that only it could see.
It's only fair for the pets to eat us as well.
I took acid around my cat once. I think he could tell something was wrong and kind of tried to bring me round.
Did he grab a hold of you and slap you in the face while talking to you in human language?
Not quite, but he slapped me in the chest and screamed at the top of his lungs a few times
I'd imagine it's also the dilated pupil thing. Makes you look stressed.
Yea, I did probably look different to normal
Based on the image, they definitely boned.
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Once LSD becomes approved medication for ASD, my doctor will hear about my condition very fast
Using 10 beagles, the team performed 5 days of social experiments on pairs of unfamiliar dogs and humans. Participants wore electroencephalogram (EEG) caps to measure brain activity during 3 social interactions: when the human and dog were in different rooms, in the same room but not interacting, and in the same room while interacting, each for 5 minutes at a time. Inter-brain synchronization, the authors found, increased in the frontal and parietal lobes of the brain, both of which deal with attention, during the most intense social interactions like petting and looking at each other. This correlation continued to strengthen over the 5 days.
This is the baseline for comparison in the paper.
Next, the authors repeated the experiment using 13 dogs bred with Shank3 mutations, which are the most common genetic risk factors for ASD (autism spectrum disorder). The Shank3 mutants showed a loss of inter-brain activity coupling during interactions with humans, indicating this connection’s absence. However, 24 hours after administering a dose of LSD (7.5 μg per kg^-1 bodyweight), the authors observed much higher inter-brain correlation in the dogs’ frontal and parietal brain regions, outperforming dogs who had received a saline solution.
kg ^ -1 = 100 grams. So you can read it as 7.5 μg of LSD per 100 grams of dog. As to why that dose, from the paper:
we conducted a pilot study to determine an appropriate LSD dose at 7.5 µg kg−1 bodyweight, as 10 µg kg−1 bodyweight (inferred from previous reports on mice[13]) showed an apparent head-shaking effect, while 5 µg LSD kg−1 bodyweight showed no recognizable effect on the behaviors.
Full paper - onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10…
Probably just a wild dream to the dog 😂
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That is what we have now, but clearly people are averse to making a choice that they are not technically inclined to know how big or small the consequences of that are. My solution is a spitball one with obvious flaws, but essentially it is that the instance is picked randomly out of a group of very closely, if not identically aligned servers.
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Wouldn't be too bad if they did the model of showing you a persistent banner ad with the option to pay $35 a year to get rid of it. I'd be down with that.
No, but it used to. And that's enough for some people.
I bet you that there are people who steer clear of anything related to BASIC not because it's a kiddy language, but because it was invented by Bill Gates.
Same, does it go by another name or something?
installs both
Now... fight for my amusement.
This is the correct attitude.
Bridgy.fed is nice for bridging also for using both at the sametime. I think what a lot of people like on BlueSky is the feed algorithm without having to curate yourself like on Mastodon or posts sorted by the time it was posted. That probably makes a huge difference.
It will be interesting to see which one wins out, like how Lemmy won out vs kbin/mbin, since kbin never accepted any outside help and stopped contributing. Not really putting the open in open-source that way, IMO.
Bluesky wins out.
Sorry, but there's companies and interest groups at play here. No one is championing Mastodon but us fossy poors.
Would kinda be nice if I dunno... Harvard or, Brown maybe would take an interest in privacy focused social media and start lobbying for and spreading it.
We have companies spending billions on bullshit, with nobody spending a cent on truth.
A summary of the standard mastodon front page:
- News report about Trump
- The temperature in Sudan
- The travel trajectory of a plane carrying people you've never heard of, going somewhere you've never heard of.
- A penis
- Ai art of Bart Simpson and a worm from Dune
- An AOC quote
- Furry porn, diaper optional
- A Linux distro professing a new update
- Someone's Chaos Space Marine (it actually looks really nice and they really took their time)
I like it in a flea market kinda sense but, I mean, come on, man.
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Mastadon is nice. I like Bluesky better. I think if they can eventually talk between the two, they will both win.
What do you like about bluesky more?
their discover feed and ability to create custom feeds
I cry a little bit every time someone acts like Misskey and its forks don't exist
It is odd when I see people compare Bluesky unfavourably with Mastodon when a lot of the features they want are on *key forks.
I never used misskey and it's forks. How are their discover feeds and UI/UX?
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You can bridge the two now.
Bridging never really works.
I haven't tried it but I've seen various comments that suggest it works well. Time to do some research...
Those are precisely why I like BlueSky. I don't know if this was normal for twitter or what, but I learned you can search for a hashtag of your kinks (exp. #bigboobs) and you can see porn from people that have posted pics or posts about it. You can also hide other tags from ever showing up in the results, which lets you finetune what you're looking for. I know the search works relatively the same as twitter with respect to hashtags, but was porn on twitter this whole time?
Mm, reminds me of the old world of IRC. I still remember fondly when I asked for help installing FreeBSD, and got banned with a message of "try linux".
So I did, never looked back. (Until I got a Mac at least, which counts as a BSD.)
I don't recall feeling overly impressed with content on Mastodon, it's just social media, but with a small userbase, I'm guessing more tech-saavy. I think what ultimately "wins" in the social media space is wherever "everybody" ends up going. Right now, Bluesky seems to have the momentum going for it as people are flocking to it in droves, but it's hard to tell how sustainable it is long-term as the hype settles down. Right now everybody is excited and seems like they're trying to make it a positive, creative, liberal space, but eventually trolls will start invading the space and it'll be like every other social media site unless it's somehow structured in a way as to avoid that.
"Leave that algorithm riddled platform and come to this new and shiny algorithm riddled platform" 🤦
I'm pretty sure "apple mail" refers to the Mail app on iPhones and Macs, not the email address. There's probably tons of people using Gmail addresses with the Apple Mail app.
Bad idea. Bluesky's just gonna end up like Twitter.
The Fediverse could get shitty in new ways too, but it can't get Elon'd. Bluesky eventually will. The future is on the Fediverse. All we're doing is delaying that future by swapping one corporation for another.
Though maybe that future needs to be delayed, because the Fediverse needs to lose its "yeah our app can do that thing you want, just edit a few variables in the source code"-style github energy.
Mastodon is ultimately usable, because I figured it out, but it should have been easier, and needs to get easier. Maybe it has the rise and fall of bluesky to figure that out.
Somebody definitely needs to make a frontend that makes it smooth.
That would be ideal, true.
Porn industry is certainly a bad thing though. It is quite hostile to women, and many have been harmed by it and wished they had a good exit.
Bit I definitely agree that progressive lean is a good thing. Fwiw I didn't read this article.
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You don't have to choose. Joinmastodon.org chooses for you, and you can choose one yourself as well but only if you want to.
I'm not really following what's the issue here? Sounds like a wide variety of content that is the perfect medium to find people to follow so you can get a more filtered and curated feed, which mastodon comfortably supports.
I don't know any social media that boasts a decent news feed that you put 0 information into.
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You mean it has not what it takes as a platform?
Mastodon is better.
Though maybe that future needs to be delayed, because the Fediverse needs to lose its “yeah our app can do that thing you want, just edit a few variables in the source code”-style github energy.
Self-defeating: that "github energy" is not going to get lost if first not enough people use the Fediverse that having to make that kind of change at the source level becomes a hindrance.
In what regards what normies would use of the featureset, they are identical tho - pretty much everything is identical these days. Log in, go to your timeline / flood / jeep / whatever, click "post new", copy-paste a meme, hit toot / blarg / weep / whatever. There. Done.
99% of people use the exact same 1% of the features of a service.
You federate with Threads
Nice try, fed.
The modern porn industry is much more independent than it used to be. Most creators control and own their content and choose where it gets uploaded initially. In the past, the porn business was absolutely abusive to their stars but I think it's much less the case these days. Filmmakers have to fight for actors because if they don't treat them well or pay them their worth, they'll just post their own content directly to their fans. I'm sure there are still huge negatives but I just don't think it's as bad as it once was and I certainly don't think the porn industry is something to be upset about these days.
mastodon.social exists
It's literally there to take the choice away from new users
That's kind of hilarious :D
Gives big "both sides are bad" energy
it’s a combination of factors. The software is not super robust, the feature set is not what people demand, it doesn’t have the financial needed, nor the developer quantity, and people really want an algorithm despite what a lot of people in the fediverse say. The problem is you have to consider what drives people to platforms like Twitter or Instagram in the first place, and a lot of those ideals do not directly mesh with the core fundamentals of your average FOSS enthusiast. It’s part of why I have become a big fan of blue sky is they are sort of tackling all sides at once. it’s free and open source, it has algorithms, it’s federated, It’s financially backed, it has a pretty big dev team, It is written in modern web development languages that a lot of other web developers also use. They just overall thought about it well and are executing efficiently. I’m not sure there’s any other platform that you could really consider jumping to instead of mastodon if you care about free and open source and you want to be where the people are.
The advertising industry used to call this an Advertorial, now it's known as native marketing. All the same, it's an ad disguised as news. You pay the journalist to make it look like there's some crazy spike in traffic and the piper plays his pipe as the mice fall in line behind him to see what the hype is.
Well.....I don't know why you included Twitter on that list, as they've NEVER been part of the fediverse.
Threads is fully integrated. You can personally block them from your end, but thats all you.
It would be like saying "Dominos doesn't make pizza. It has never been a pizza company". With your logic being that you don't like their pizza. Doesn't make it true just because YOU don't eat the pizza.
Bluesky I hear conflicting reports on. Some people say it is, because it can be, others say it's not, because it's not official. I get both sides on this.
But the last part......is objectively not true. It happrns to work that way FOR NOW. It just isn't profitable enough for the major players to sink any real resources into.
The fact that it's adfree has more to do with the fact that 60k people on all of Lemmy with most instances having a few hundred people "on" it, and also advertising companies not understanding the concept of federation.
I could start my own instance, and sell ads to corporate overlords. The biggest problem I'd face is the idea of trying to convince any company with money to spend that money on me putting an ad on for such a small audience.
If/when the fediverse ever gains momentum and becomes mainstream, you can guarentee that ads will be everywhere.
Because nobody owns the fediverse. Which means if I sell an ad on my instance, all federated instances will see the ad. Sure, you could defederate from my instance. But what would happen right now if lemmy.world sold ads? Is every instance going to defederate from the biggest instance, with the majority of communities? That would essentially break the fediverse.
We're all on a service that you think is immune to centralization, but forgot the core concept that humans like to socially congragate. Which means it's inevitable that there will always be one big dominant instance. Which means if this thing ever goes mainstream, the ads are coming, and they'll be on all the big instances.
Well…I don’t know why you included Twitter on that list, as they’ve NEVER been part of the fediverse.
I included it because the article title included it, and I agreed it never would be. I then went farther and said I don't consider any of those beside Mastodon to be Fediverse because they all are corporations creating platforms for shareholders, NOT users.
It would be like saying “Dominos doesn’t make pizza. It has never been a pizza company”. With your logic being that you don’t like their pizza. Doesn’t make it true just because YOU don’t eat the pizza.
To use your analogy, It's actually more like they have the appearance of a pizza-like substance, but eating it you know it's not pizza and never will be because it's made of human waste.
Because nobody owns the fediverse. Which means if I sell an ad on my instance, all federated instances will see the ad. Sure, you could defederate from my instance. But what would happen right now if lemmy.world sold ads? Is every instance going to defederate from the biggest instance, with the majority of communities? That would essentially break the fediverse.
If it was pushing ads, absolutely! I believe the majority of us came to the fediverse to escape the ads/corporate enshitification, so the moment this stuff starts creeping in we can all just defederate them. Every admin knowing this would be the outcome I think also helps keep the fediverse "honest" as well.
I know women in porn who say the opposite.
The authentication could be another service, split from Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, ... that only gave that service. The instance asks the auth server about "user@instance: password" and the server just says "OK/fail". That or sending the user to the auth server to get a session cookie.
Idea: The ads could be marked as such by the protocol or the instance would risk detestation. Then, every other instance could choose if they show ads or not.
Certainly some will say that, and even more would do if your environment is privileged (such as a safe neighborhood in the west or USA). You have to look at aggregate data, not anecdotes.
The name "Mastodon" sucks as much as "X". I've never had a Twitter account nor do I want to open an account in any of the services, but Mastodon does not sound catchy to who they need to attract.
As someone who uses both. I think Mastodon also just doesn't have the users, it is not as easy to setup and I think understanding instances and its UI are less user friendly.
Every time I see non-tech people talk about Bluesky vs Mastodon, they talk about how awful the user experience is on Mastodon, and how it's been an issue for years and they keep ignoring it, so people just go to Bluesky instead.
It definitely feels like a "Us tech folk who care about the tech love it, we don't mind the user experience as long as the tech is here" vs the "I just want the same thing I have over here, the tech aspect could not be any less relevant to my choice of platform" kind of issue.
There's a lot of that. A ton of FOSS software is somewhat exclusionary because it's made for the people who make it.
But a lot of the UX issues on Mastodon have nothing to do with the tech, nor the UI. They're social in nature.The existing userbase skews technical, which affects what people discuss, and people looking for help are met with a deluge of tech savy people giving tech savy advice.
Oh, and there's the mass of very vocal users on niche sites that have strong feelings about having their niche safe space invaded by "normies", and who let it be known that new users should learn and adhere to "the rules" and respect the unlisted, unagreed upon nettiquite of social outcast "progressive" fedi or GTFO.
And then, on top of the social, there's just the fact that most Internet users don't really grok the Internet these days. Twitter or BlueSky aren't websites to them/ they're "apps". The very nature of federation on the Fediverse runs counter to how they understand how thir "apps" work.
They don't want to have to know about it, but they can't avoid people talking about it, making judgements around it, and having to confront it when edge cases crop up or when admins decide they don't like or trust the new crop of fedi websites that have sprung up this month or last.
On Twiiter or BlueSky, they don't have to think about any of it.
ETA: Things might be different if people stopped treating "Mastodon" as a place that exists on the Internet, but even the Mastodon developer treats it that way, when it's convenient to him. He's created a little functional monopoly, and seems to care moee about that than anything.
Mastodon servers are Mastodon branded, and that is a mistake, in the long run. We need to communicate to people that they can sign up for MyInterest.social, that is MyInterest branded, while also getting to follow people elsewhere. That overcomes the biggest hurdle.
But that doesn't satisfy the egos of people in positions to right the ship.
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Awful user experience can be anything from side-effects of decentralisation (no, you can't search the entire Fediverse for something; no, you can't even search all of Mastodon for something) to Mastodon's official app being crap and people being unwilling/unable to use an app that isn't named "Mastodon" to Mastodon refusing to catch up with the rest of the Fediverse in features to Mastodon refusing to finally become the 1:1 Twitter clone expect it to be. Mind you, the latter two contradict each other.
NGL I'm old enough now that I'd rather not see random tits in my feed.
When there in it, i'm sure there is going to be a bit of a bias.
Mastodon is better than Bluesky, but unfortunately everyone is flocking to Bluesky. You have to go where the people are
people still seem to be flocking more to Threads since it is growing by more than million users per day for the past three months. Have to accept there isn't just a single place people are going.
That's fine by me. It's good to have choice.
Yeah, mastodon simply doesn't have an advertising budget, and having to pick an instance, while trivial, is still enough to stop a lot of people from joining.
Bluesky is weird to me. I tried to use it for all of 15 minutes. One of the recommended feeds was called "Blacksky", which is a feed specifically tailored for black users of Bluesky. I'm perfectly fine with that. I was, completely innocently, asking if there were other feeds based on race, similar to blacksky. I was threatened with a ban for racism. My question was very literally phrased "I see that blacksky exists, does the platform also have other race-specific feeds for users? Or only this one? It's the only one that was recommended to me which seems strange for a new user."
Being threatened with a ban goes way too far, but your question(s) as phrased does seem very much like sealioning even if that wasn't the intention, so I can see why a moderator might think it was. Obviously, they should have clarified first.
There’s been a large-ish influx of maga users, looking for people to harass in the last week as the other normies have left Twitter too because they are sad and lonely people, so people’s ban fingers especially those with large accounts, are a bit heavy right now. So yeah, it probably completely came off wrong (like someone asking when white history month is) vs asking if there was a specific other ethnic starter pack that drew your interest. Sorry that was your experience.
Mastodon is never going to be That Platform and that's ok. It doesn't need to be. The ActivityPub protocol is the highest value aspect of Masto, and there are a handful of other, larger, easier to use platforms that are adopting it.
Really? What other platforms?
There's this weird one I've heard some crazy people use called Lemmy or something. I don't know. They're too niche for me to consider thinking about.
I'm not sure if people looking for something laid out like Twitter or other microblogging sites would necessarily move to Lemmy, which is more like a forum. The activities on any social media may be largely the same, but presentation matters a lot.
To me, Lemmy and other forum style SM is like going to a bar and finding people to have a conversation, where as Twitter/BlueSky/Mastodon/etc are like standing on a street corner and just yelling random thoughts.
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Oh yeah, I didn't mean to imply it would. Just another activitypub platform.
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Threads is implementing it in phased rollouts and I think they saw the writing on the wall with X that Bluesky was the next "big thing" and wanted to jump on a competitor protocol that had already been developed and already had an active base of both users and developers.l, whereas Bluesky is building everything in house from the ground up with the AT protocol.
WordPress has a plugin that is developed by Automattic (as close to core WP as you can without actually being core WP) which essentially turns every WordPress site into an ActivityPub feed. Its really cool and an incredibly powerful tool for publishers.
Flipboard is also implementing ActivityPub as we speak, and it seems like they are quite bought in on the concept. Their CEO hosts a podcast about the Fediverse.
Ghost is a publishing platform similar to Substack that is also working to implement ActivityPub and is doing a lot of the heavy work in terms of trying to figure out what longer-form publishing could look like within the fediverse, as opposed to being a network of different Twitter clones.
Bluesky is far more user friendly and that’s why the people are going there. I get it, y’all love federation and ActivityPub, but no one wants to pick an instance, much less read a manifesto on decentralized social media. (Frankly, Lemmy has much of the same issues.)
I have had a Mastodon account since Elmo Muskrat bought Twitter, but it’s practically useless as few outside some specific IT-oriented users are on it. I got Bluesky, and it’s been way better as it attracts a larger variety of people.
I think the bigger problem is that there's no universal search that will find something on any of the instances you aren't blocking.
Search is not authoritative like it is on centralized social media.
It's not too hard to understand. Some people just like to pretend it's complicated. It's literally the same system email uses, and almost everyone has figured out how to use that. There's no marketing for it though. It's only word-of-mouth, and let's be honest, us fediverse users often aren't the best at communicating simply.
It'd be smart if some fediverse instances provided an email account with your account. Then we can just tell people to create an email account and they'd accidentally have a fediverse account.
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I have yet to see any marketing for Bluesky. The fediverse still takes effort, even if it isn’t necessarily complicated.
The fact that the fediverse has been mentally limited to "Mastodon and Lemmy" is so sad. The features many people complained weren't on Mastodon were right there on Akkoma, Misskey, Friendica, Hometown, and others. But nobody would even look at them.
Even on the fediverse nobody wants to discuss the sea of alternative services.
Let me see how you get instance admins to agree on what to defederate.
Maybe a vote of 75% minimum would be good?
I mean, it's a network of indeoendent websites. I'm not sure what kind of solution to this people want.
People seem to be able to choose which wrbsite they're signing up for when looking at Twitter, BlueSky, and Threads. It's not like it't that weird of an idea.
They even grok the idea that different Wordpress-based websites are different from each other!
Maybe if we stopped treating "Mastodon" as a space, and talked about it like the webhost software it is, people would understand.
When you go to comment on a blog, where do you sign up?
Misskey has a more similar UI to Twitter, and it can't even get noticed by fediverse users.
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It's a shame, I wanted to like KBin because it's PHP and I specialize in PHP (also JS and Java), but the maintainer just made sure that it wasn't sustainable.
As long as email has a barrier to entry for most people of mandating choosing a server first, it will never become the mainstream choice.
I’ve been on Bluesky since February. I have yet to see any nudity that I didn’t actively seek out. It’s not too difficult.
where pleroma
where akkoma
where misskey
where firefish
where iceshrimp
where sharkey
where cherrypick
where catodon
where mitra
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What's cherrypick
Another feature-rich Forkey from before Firefish's first "death" which, as I've read somewhere, must have managed to iron out more of Misskey's original issues than the other Forkeys.
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Nice! Does it support MRFs?
It actually doesn't.
Install the official Mastodon app on your phone, launch it, scroll past the instance selection box that railroads you to mastodon.social anyway, and it's no more complicated than Twitter. It's just that nobody knows that.
Fun fact: The official Bluesky app has a selection box for a PDS, too. It's no more and no less complicated than the official Mastodon app. Nobody knows that either.
Granted, of course, if you let yourself be railroaded, the place where you land in the Fediverse won't be the bee's knees, and you won't know that there are not only better Mastodon instances (or more Mastodon instances in the first place), but also better server applications than Mastodon (or anything else than Mastodon in the Fediverse in the first place). But hey, it's easy-peasy.
Nobody really actively chooses Apple Mail.
It's just that they buy iPhones, and they want a total no-brainer, like, a phone that's fully set up and ready to use without them having to do anything because it, like, totally confuzzles them 'n stuff. So whichever friendly salesperson sells them their phone also sets everything up for them. Including an e-mail account because they need one for their Apple account, but they don't know if they've got one.
If they buy an Android phone, it's the same, only that they get a Gmail account if they don't happen to already have one.
Still, this chart looks like it's actually counting phone apps rather than providers. Google doesn't have two separate e-mail services AFAIK.
IMO the success of BlueSky is good for the Fedi. It can take the “let’s be the next mainstream thing” monkey off of its back and just be itself.
Plus, it keeps the obnoxious "But muh follower count" fame whores and the majority of the "Why can't this be exactly like Twitter, I want a total Twitter clone" dumb-dumbs out. They'd ruin Fediverse culture even more than the second migration wave two years ago which was so massive that those who fled back then only encountered each other on Mastodon and hardly anyone who had been in the Fediverse before then.
Exactly why most Germans only had a @t-online.de address back in the day. The only exceptions were those who needed an e-mail account before they had their own home and their own landline connection.
But hardly anyone in the Fediverse, next to no-one on Mastodon and literally no-one outside the Fediverse knows that Misskey exists. Not outside of Japan anyway. Or any of the Forkeys, for that matter (if you're a Westerner and neither an otaku nor a weeb, Iceshrimp or Sharkey may suit you better).
For more Mastodon users than not, the Fediverse = Mastodon. And outside the Fediverse, hardly anyone has even heard of the Fediverse.
Sorting Hat for Lemmy?
Curated tits then?
I'm on a (streams) instance on which someone else is following pr0n accounts. That instance is small enough (13 channels, including clones of external channels) to suggest them as contacts to me until I've removed them as suggestions.
Only boobs I saw without searching mastodon.social for non-pr0n hashtags.
When /kbin was zerg-rushed after the Reddit enshittification, it wasn't ready yet. It was a public alpha. It had five instances, all official, all experimental, only one of them public. I guess the dev had intended to calmly and orderly develop it until it'd be ready for prime-time. But all of a sudden, it was either developing missing features or removing bugs for those who daily-drove it in this state in expectation of it being a stable point release.
Because nobody knows they exist. Especially not on Mastodon. And even less outside the Fediverse, tech media included.
And truth be told, way too many Mastodon users don't want to know. They want the Fediverse to remain what they thought it was when they joined: only vanilla Mastodon.
Really goes to show that Lemmy is full of tech-curious geeks: Tell a Lemmy user about a Fediverse project that's neither Lemmy nor Mastodon, and it's much more likely for the reply to be something along the lines of, "where public instances."
I think in many cases it was never about Bluesky or Jack Dorsey who never really had a saying on Bluesky proper anyway. It was more about keeping the Fediverse ActivityPub-only or even Mastodon-only.
In that light, I think the only reason why there haven't been any calls for totally Fediblocking all of Hubzilla is because 75% of the Fediverse have never even heard the name, and maybe a few hundred people outside Hubzilla know how it works and what it does. No critical mass to be appalled. And Hubzilla not being based on ActivityPub and technically being bridged to Mastodon via its own per-channel bridges would be only one out of many possible reasons to want it "gone from the Fediverse".
You're assuming that all those servers would have the same policies and admins.
As we can see from their recent announcement, the LW team has some specific policies in their Terms of Service that no other instance replicates.
You are thinking about load balancing, but that can be handled by Cloudflare or something else, it's doesn't have to be a different instance.
If you see lag, you should try using a different instance. LW was noticeably slow during summer 2021, a lot of people moved to other instances due to that
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"... civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur it is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims."
#DerrickJensen, 'Endgame'
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This quote by Derrick Jensen takes on new and disturbing resonance when you look at the different reactions to the violence of the IDF against Palestinians, and to any violence carried out against Israelis on behalf of Palestinians.
Both are violence, hurting real human beings. But there's copious evidence that violence against Palestinians, if reported, tends to be minimised and rationalised (eg as "self-defence") . While violence against Israelis is amplified and demonised ("terrorism").
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This is a US supplied 2,000 pound bomb milliseconds before it exploded in a residential neighborhood of Beirut Lebanon a day or two ago.
There have been so many strikes on medical workers and residential buildings in Lebanon the past week I just can't keep up.
#USPol #JoeBiden #Beirut #Lebanon #Israel #FreePalestine #FreeLebanon
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I can't believe I have to say this, but there is something I have to say.
#Mastodon users.
(actually, #FEDIVERSE USERS IN GENERAL)
It's time to stop harassing #Bluesky users and its developers.
I even heard that the devs of #Bridgy have been (ALLEGEDLY) receiving an endless number of insults and potentially death threats.
It's worth mentioning that Bridgy isn't even owned or even (probably) endorsed by Bluesky. They are two separate projects.
They have lives. We have lives. They have important things to do outside of developing #decentralized projects or even contributing to the protocol itself, or maybe even other side-projects that they are developing as we speak.
I'm tired of seeing the drama surrounding Bluesky on mastodon, and I wish everyone had moved on from it, but perhaps not.
It's like the Blue and Green Message bubble debate all over again, and it's very disgusting, and it's a shitshow that I'm sure nobody asked for. I'm pretty sure that this is also putting bad press on the fediverse project, and i don't think anyone wants to deal with that shit.
So what is the solution?
If you can't say something nice about bluesky users, let alone mastodon (or even fediverse) users, because they use an app that you don't like, leave them alone.
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@onepict yes... this blame, attack, ban culture is NOT native to the #openweb which is built #4opens, linking, and trust.
Who is up for talking to our crew about this mess we all make hamishcampbell.com/?s=post+mod… as there is a lot of it, and it will be a hard conversation to be positive about, but a consensus about netiquette needs to be built, even if the outcome is diversity, no bad thing.
And if you all disagree, then I'm sorry to say this, but you have a brain sized of an unpopped popcorn (a kernel)
I agree 100%, BUT you also need to understand or at least ACCEPT a few facts.
The Fediverse is an infrastructure first and foremost, its not some "Social Media platform". The Fediverse is owner-operated, so if you make a plea address the owner-operators who might or might no host any "user accounts".
There is no such this as a "mastodon user", but there is the ActivityPub protocol and a numerous clients are supporting it -> fediverse.party/
The majority of owner-operators will reject any attempt by Corporations to connect to our owner-operated networks. On my own Streams, Lemmy and Mastodon nodes I will not install any "connector" to Meta, to X, to Bluesky, to any Corporate platform.
I will mute anyone who try to convince me to use the connector.
You should stay out of the Fediverse, or... or build your own Fediverse node, and participate. But then, do not plug or even defend Bluesky, or TikToc, or Gab, or any other.
This is only fair.
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I been looking at PeerTube client for Linux as way to try watch PeerTube content again but trying to follow channels was bit fiddly to do. On PeerTube's documentation, I seen Cuttlefish has been suggested which looking at the git repo it hasn't been updated since 3 years which unsure if it still be useable? Otherwise, I want to know some good GUI PeerTube Client for Linux.
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@Matthew :bi_flat: if ur on desktop the browser seems like the best and only real choice. What I do is typically create an account on any instance to keep my subscriptions then when I find interesting content I just add them. I also look ocassionally based on topic on sepiasearch.org then add accounts based on that. It takes a bit of time but eventually you'll get a nice curated feed no matter what instance you're on.
I'm with you clients should be a priority.
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PeerTube is the Fediverse's video platform. You can follow and interact with PeerTube accounts from Mastodon, but if you want to upload videos you will need to join a PeerTube server. There is a beginner's guide to PeerTube at:
➡️ fedi.tips/peertube-video-hosti…
My other account Fedi.Video shares nice PeerTube videos and suggests PeerTube accounts to follow:
➡️ @FediVideo
I also run a site which lets you browse and search PeerTube videos safely:
➡️ fedi.video
@Fedi.Tips @Fedi.Video Is there an audio version of this for mp3s and such?
You can upload audio files as well, for example here are a couple of public domain audiobooks:
fedi.video/w/vBtM3KnwffdhpXGj8…
fedi.video/w/8aVXe5QNUy6zEPzLP…
If you upload audio files, you can optionally include an image file which is shown in the video player. If you don't have an image, the video player is just blank.
Is the first link (beginners guide) missing, or?
No? All the links are there. Are they not visible for you?
Ummm, oddly just the first, beginner guide link was not visible to me, but since your response, I went to grab a screenshot and it is visible now. FM, I guess (Fooking Magic) 😎
Glad it worked in the end! 🙂
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Why use PeerTube? It makes YouTubing less risky.
Having a test audience and re-uploads lets you catch issues before they go up on YouTube permanently. PeerTube also gives you a permanent archive of your work so that you'll always have a copy even if YouTube takes it down.
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Why use PeerTube? It makes YouTubing less risky.
Having a test audience and re-uploads lets you catch issues before they go up on YouTube permanently. PeerTube also gives you a permanent archive of your work so that you'll always have a copy even if YouTube takes it down.
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Great video Paige! I've been having thoughts about what it would be like to start a PeerTube instance dedicated to train videos. So, I'll be following this series with interest! Hoping to see particularly what storage costs tend to be for small shared instance as videos get posted.
speaking of QA... at 9m5s you have Chanel (luxury brand?) content.
perfect, thanks for pointing that out
Hey Allen,
You can look at the about page of a Peertube instance to see how much storage the instance is using in relation to how many videos it's hosting.
video.fedihost.co/about/instan…
Keep in mind, it's definitely not an exact science because there are many ways to optimize a video to minimizing storage if this is your priority.
You can get an idea of storage costs on the fedihost pricing page:
fedihost.co/pricing#storage
Awesome job on the video! I learned quite a bit what you could do with peertube. I have a very small instance (just family videos) and didn't know about quite a few of the features you mentioned.
I put a couple of videos on youtube but most of them got flagged. One about a store selling bad food. One copyright strike with a VERY old video with family members that happened to have music on the background for a couple of seconds. Things like that made uploading a HUGE pain.
luckily those strikes expire, but they terrify YouTubers when they happen. PeerTube positions itself quite smartly, not as a direct competitor with YouTube but more like a self hosted public video repository. It works well as a complimentary thing for YouTube.
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Nice! Thats great for creators!
For me im just looking to post videos for my family. They dont particularly care about where they get the videos, they just want to be able to see them. And copyright strikes can suck when its just an old video of Grandpa going fishing but someone goes by with a radio on.
I can’t help but wonder how much it costs to run a PeerTube. It looks like, to me at least, that bandwidth costs must be quite hefty.
After another youtuber has expressed their frustrations with the platform, I did a quick and dirty calculations which came to about $1200/month for their number of videos and views.
- YouTube
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.www.youtube.com
sounds high, you might be missing the P2P factor for example?
It certainly isn’t that high for our hosting service.
It certainly isn’t that high for our hosting service.
Probably, yeah. I was just looking at CDN costs mostly (everything else seemed negligible) at the number of views one would get per month.
yeah if a video is popular (a new release) an impressively large amount of bandwidth is P2P
If it really was 200k viewers it would be a sight to behold.
If it really was 200k viewers it would be a sight to behold.
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Sentry: "We Just Gave $750,000 to Open Source Maintainers"
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I tried out the pre-release of FreeCAD 1.0, and it’s looking impressive! I tested it using a pre-existing 3D model, so I didn’t create anything from scratch, but it felt very smooth and responsive. It’s exciting to see the progress made by the community—watching this application grow over the years has been incredible. Kudos to everyone contributing to this open-source tool!
#FreeCAD #3DModeling #DesignSoftware #OpenSource #DigitalDesign #CAD #3DPrinting #FOSS #CreativeDesign #ParametricModeling #MakerCommunity #ProductDesign
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I tried out the pre-release of FreeCAD 1.0, and it’s looking impressive! I tested it using a pre-existing 3D model, so I didn’t create anything from scratch, but it felt very smooth and responsive. It’s exciting to see the progress made by the community—watching this application grow over the years has been incredible. Kudos to everyone contributing to this open-source tool!
#FreeCAD #3DModeling #DesignSoftware #OpenSource #DigitalDesign #CAD #3DPrinting #FOSS #CreativeDesign #ParametricModeling #MakerCommunity #ProductDesign
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Solarus Labs are the developers of the free open source Solarus game engine, which lets people make their own 2D action RPGs. They have an official PeerTube channel full of tutorials at:
➡️ @solarus_labs (in English & French)
There are already over 100 videos on their account, if they haven't federated to your server yet you can browse them all at tilvids.com/a/solarus_labs/vid…
You can also follow their non-video account at @solarus
#FeaturedPeerTube #FOSS #GameDev #Dev #RPGs #PeerTube #PeerTubers
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p.s. To get a quick overview of what Solarus does, here's their latest release trailer:
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Recently found LosslessCut for trimming video clips without degrading them or screwing with the resolution. (Microsoft's "ClipChamp" on the other hand turned my 2mb video into a 63mb video AND destroyed the quality. Amazing!)
Thank you OSS devs, as always! 🙏 mifi.no/losslesscut/
@ipsquiggle it's a great and very useful application:)
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Get a glimpse of Blender Conference 2024! Experience three days of the Blender Conference through the eyes of some of our speakers from this year. Explore the atmosphere, innovative projects, and the collaborative spirit that bring this annual gathering to life.
Video by Harukaze Legouge and Maaike Kleverlaan
Blender Conference 2024 at the Felix Meritis, Amsterdam, Theater
See all the recorded talks here: • Blender Conference 2024
Learn more about Blender Conference 2024 at conference.blender.org/2024/
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •Signal has been running on Signal video for a long time, and the addition of call links about a month ago was a MASSIVE quality of life improvement.
Seriously, give them a try! Imagine, not sharing the contents of your daily standup with a large video conferencing company!
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •When it comes to video calls, closing issue #8529 that is still unresolved after 5 years would be a much more massive quality of life improvement, for those who depend on metered cellular plans.
In all those years, stale bot tried to close it, since nothing happened. A workaround was presented as a pull request - closed by stale bot. People keep telling you under this issue that this prevents them from fully switching to Signal.
github.com/signalapp/Signal-An…
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •fair enough.
makes it a great messenger for those with intense security needs, but is a huge downside for everyone who like to be secure, but also keep their message history.
i definitely prefer keet.io in this context. Its peer to peer on top of that and file sharing any size of file is a breeze.
Downside - syncing files sometimes can take quite a bit of time, but that likely improves in the future.
also doesnt need phone number. just a 24 words based keypair
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •Great feature @Mer__edith !
Do you also consider adding a link to Mastodon (@signalapp) on your site, for all people tired of Facebook and Twitter? 🙃 👇
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •Same with keet.io
But even better, it does not require phone numbers nor any servers or cloud servers.
It also doesntnhave thwt kind of infrastructure costs attached, thus no incentives to enshittify in the future 🙂
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •It could be something easy on the beginning, for sharing texts with direct links.
It’s very needed.
Thanks!
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in reply to Velocipede Rider • • •Not sure what this means?
I would also like the screen share option, so I hope I have whatever that means.
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •"sad but fav for the reply" :)
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •Your reply was a little short and skipped over a key detail.
Let me expand that for you. Yes you can screenshare on desktop if you run a supported platform. For Linux that means Ubuntu/Debian and friends only (at least officially 😉)
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •that's a #Marketing #Lie as @signalapp / #Signal collects and demands #PII like #PhoneNumbers to this day, and unlike #WebRTC-based options like #JitsiMeet and #WebCall, one cannot #SelfHost Signal!
So please stop such bs claims, because they insult the intellect of everyone who's even halfassing #ITsec, #InfoSec, #OpSec & #ComSec...
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •The quality of audio/video calls has been going downwards for me recently. Not great video quality and audio has been clunky.
Not sure what’s going wrong but something’s off.
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in reply to Meredith Whittaker • • •Ooh fab! If you can work on adding breakout rooms too, I can start pushing for all the translator groups I'm in to use Signal instead.
I'm already managing to move individual chats there, and with this "don't all need an account" link option you've fixed next week's one-to-one call problem!