!Friendica Admins How non-recommended is to downgrade from a dev version of friendica to a stable one? The @YunoHost developers pushed an update recently to the Friendica package and by mistake they labeled it as stable but the update was taken from the dev branch. So people updated to the dev branch...now they are trying to push a fix and in the fix to force the instances that upgraded to the dev, to revert back to stable.
Can you please tell me if this is a good idea? I want to make them aware if not. Thanks!
@Tio was this your first installation of Friendica or an update ? if it was an update then simply import the backup which Yunohost automatically creates with an update. then you are back on the version before the update and wait until the developers at Yunohost release a new version and do an update as usual. The only disadvantage of this procedure is that you lose all data from the database that has been entered since the update.
No I am fine I reverted back I had a server snapshot. But I am worried about those who could not and have already updated to the dev version. And now the YNH devs are trying to push an update to push from a dev december version to a stable september version. Wouldn't that cause a lot of issues I wonder?
@Tio not at all suggested! Might work for the special point of Dev branch, but not sure.
Also the Dev branch now is much better than the stable branch, @Hypolite Petovan said the current stable is kind of buggy (I rephrased it, don't remember the exact words).
Ah interesting so maybe is better to skip this stable branch anyway. But yeah I was wondering if it is a bad idea to go from a new dev branch to an old stable branch, to make the ynh devs aware.
@Tio @utzer ~Friendica~ @YunoHost It is quite bad. We only have an "update forward" feature for the database structure for example, so any rolling back of the code could make it out of sync with the database, which might create more instability.
Yeah so basically they should not even try to do that. Sounds like a bad plan. Probably wait for the next stable release and update from dec dev to dec stable if you release in december.
Speaking of that is it ok to skip a stable update and update to the next one? Like I have skipped 1 stable update (latest one) and I'd like to update to the december one. Will that be ok? I
@Tio @utzer ~Friendica~ @YunoHost Yes, the update feature will run all the updates in order from the version you were up until the version you installed.
They are talking about how this global trade based society pushes us all, from individuals to companies, to pollute, mostly care about profits, destroy the nature, enslave others, coerce. And are taking direct steps to overcome this by providing humans with their basic needs trade-free (as a first step), so that we help humans have a good life, and not pollute and waste as much, and get involved more to reverse the effects of pollution and destruction.
They have also started to ban all advertising because they rightly say that this is only going to create more needless consumption. I am so happy abo
They are talking about how this global trade based society pushes us all, from individuals to companies, to pollute, mostly care about profits, destroy the nature, enslave others, coerce. And are taking direct steps to overcome this by providing humans with their basic needs trade-free (as a first step), so that we help humans have a good life, and not pollute and waste as much, and get involved more to reverse the effects of pollution and destruction.
They have also started to ban all advertising because they rightly say that this is only going to create more needless consumption. I am so happy about that. Online or offline, ads are illegal.
They are working with all governments around the world to make a global transportation system that is trade-free, so that we phase out cars entirely. Universal healthcare is also on the agenda together with trade-free education. Two meals a day for everyone, trade-free access to the Internet, investing a lot of resources in non-meat food alternatives, and kick-starting a massive sharing platform (online/offline) so that we can all share the vast amounts of wasted and unused stuff that we have around. Even sharing a room/place to stay. How amazing! This, they hope, will incentivize people to re-use, rather than buy useless shit all the time.
Lastly, they realize that laws and rules do not work, so their overall approach is to create a better society from within the current one. One that does not rely on trade but on share. This way we can make companies and profiteers obsolete, with time. The focus will be on how to protect us and the nature, using renewable energies, less polluting practices, and so forth, since there is no incentive to do otherwise. All, while decoupling ourselves from the need for trade. Have a lot more free time, get more educated, get involved.
I am struggling a bit with the documentary these days to fix the colors and lighting for the interviews. I also had an idea about what to do next in terms of editing....but I got too tired these days ... I need some break. Will take one for a week or so at the beginning of december. Ideally I should finish the editing before April so that I have time to go through it all and improve it a bit here and there. I also plan to buy a new laptop around that time and move everything to that machine but not before I am 100% sure the documentary is ready for release.
Ideally I should also move to a new server all of our websites....and that's a huge task....
I am a bit under pressure because of the TROM Meeting in May :D - I want all to be done by then.
I think the 3rd part should be done by the end of this year, or max mid January. Then I will have to finish the 4th and last part and ideally (again that word) should take me around 2-3 months to finish it.
Anyway a lot of fuckin' work. And I'd also like to start a donation campaign for that laptop very soonish maybe
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I am struggling a bit with the documentary these days to fix the colors and lighting for the interviews. I also had an idea about what to do next in terms of editing....but I got too tired these days ... I need some break. Will take one for a week or so at the beginning of december. Ideally I should finish the editing before April so that I have time to go through it all and improve it a bit here and there. I also plan to buy a new laptop around that time and move everything to that machine but not before I am 100% sure the documentary is ready for release.
Ideally I should also move to a new server all of our websites....and that's a huge task....
I am a bit under pressure because of the TROM Meeting in May :D - I want all to be done by then.
I think the 3rd part should be done by the end of this year, or max mid January. Then I will have to finish the 4th and last part and ideally (again that word) should take me around 2-3 months to finish it.
Anyway a lot of fuckin' work. And I'd also like to start a donation campaign for that laptop very soonish maybe I can get some help with that since 95% of the stuff I do on it is for TROM - maybe those who find value in the 30+ websites/projects that we have can help a bit since the laptop will be super expensive for my small pocket.
The RSS part of Friendica again does not work properly and your RSS feeds won't be updated that fast. This is because we have a lot of processes in the queue and probably this will be fixed as soon as we upgrade to the latest Friendica release, and I will try to do that at the end of this month or the beginning of the next.
Oh look this guy raises awareness about children dying....from war, poverty, abuse.... ->> ugurgallenkus.com/
Please buy his 60 dollars book that's full of such facts about dead kids.
Everything is for sell folks.....everything.
Even @Greta Thunberg sells her book The Climate Book theclimatebook.org - a totally needless use of trees, to print words on them, when you can share a book digitally everywhere in the world at almost no resource impact at all. Such an irony....
Heck yeah Amazon is full of books about why deforestation is bad, sold as printed books:
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Oh look this guy raises awareness about children dying....from war, poverty, abuse.... ->> ugurgallenkus.com/
Please buy his 60 dollars book that's full of such facts about dead kids.
Everything is for sell folks.....everything.
Even @Greta Thunberg sells her book The Climate Book theclimatebook.org - a totally needless use of trees, to print words on them, when you can share a book digitally everywhere in the world at almost no resource impact at all. Such an irony....
Heck yeah Amazon is full of books about why deforestation is bad, sold as printed books:
On one hand I understand, people have to trade in order to survive in this society, on the other hand it is so ironic that you feel like crying and laughing at the same time.
And I never ever traded any of these! I asked for support and I have received it. At least I am not a hypocrite telling people how fucked up this society is and talking about solutions, while using the same exact rules of this society, pushing for more trades.
If you appreciate this work please also consider a donation of course - but that's optional and on a volunteer basis.
The current FIFA event shows a few things that should have been obvious anyway:
1. Slavery was not abolished, it was reduced and redefined at best. 2. High level sport is a business, nothing more. 3. Greenwashing is the most popular practice of pretty much all companies and organizations. 4. Not many people care about climate change, slavery, dictatorship regimes, and so forth. 5. The ones in power (from states to organizations like FIFA) care only about profits and lie endlessly. 6. We are fucked, nothing changes. The same trade based society keeps on being in the driving seat, deciding where we go.
Qatar promised to deliver a carbon neutral World Cup. But did they deliver?
Reporter: Kai Steinecke
Camera: Henning Goll
Video Editor: Kai Steinecke
Supervising Editor: Joanna Gottschalk, Michael Trobridge, Kiyo Dörrer
Fact-Check: Kirsten Funck
#P…
Am I the only one who searches for the build quality + repaireability of a laptop when looking to buy one? Why aren't most laptops displaying that sort of info!? I can search for gaming laptops, and thin laptops, and based on cpu and gpu, the Xk screen, whatever the shit but not by build quality....
Maybe this is a signature of our fucked up society where most people are interested in more disposable products, lured in by companies who want the same.
Show me a great built laptop, that I can easily upgrade and repair, has a great battery, ok big screen, ok cpu, and is not as heavy as a brick! :D
A satiric song about the upcoming World Cup in Qatar 2022. Made by norwegian comedian Rasmus Wold. Corruption, homophobia, modern slavery, you name it. FIFA.
Instagram: @rasmuswold
Twitter: @rasmuswold
TikTok: @rasmuswold
I wish Manyverse would take off - manyver.se/ - 100% decentralized social network based on scuttlebutt.
After I release TROM II I will try, little by little, to fully migrate to these decentralized platforms like Scuttlebutt and Tox for messaging. We really need that and not servers and centralization.
The Fediverse and Matrix, are great for now. But they are what I like to call as decentralized centralization. Several servers instead of 1. And only a few have most of the users, thus have immense control over the entire network.
Yes I use Syncthing a lot. It is my main file sharing tool. I also use Bittorrent a lot for al of my media needs. Tox seems to be one great network for messaging that I will try to switch over to maybe next year.
Messengers like Tox doesn't require you to join a server and you can start connecting with friends right away, but when I installed Manyverse on my phone its asking me to join a room/pub server to connect with people. I think a truly decentralized p2p app should at least allow us to connect directly with friends, like how Tox does it, no need to go and find a server for yourself. Having servers in the network is not a big issue, but we shouldn't be completely reliant on it. @aral @tychosoft
@ar.al🌻 @David Sugar @Tio There are also some practical issues with the way scuttlebutt works. In it everyone has to store everyone else's data on their device, this can take up a lot of storage space, but it also means that there's no reliable way for you to delete or edit your message, something which I think is an essential feature these days. It'd be a lot better if only you store your data in your own device and also sync it with your current home server (so that others can view your posts when you're offline). @Twann :artix: :nonbinary_flag: also brought up an important point, all of these p2p apps should at least give us an option to use a... show more
@ar.al🌻 @David Sugar @Tio There are also some practical issues with the way scuttlebutt works. In it everyone has to store everyone else's data on their device, this can take up a lot of storage space, but it also means that there's no reliable way for you to delete or edit your message, something which I think is an essential feature these days. It'd be a lot better if only you store your data in your own device and also sync it with your current home server (so that others can view your posts when you're offline). @Twann :artix: :nonbinary_flag: also brought up an important point, all of these p2p apps should at least give us an option to use a proxy/VPN to prevent leaking our IP address to everyone we connect with. Briar messenger solves this issue by using Tor, but if we build an entire social network on top of Tor then it'll quickly overload the Tor servers which are run by volunteers. So its a bad idea to use Tor in this case, if we want maybe we could give users an option to connect via i2p which is like a peer to peer alternative to Tor, but i2p is usually very slow so I think most users would still prefer proxies/VPNs.
(Apparently Mastodon embeds do not obey the time offset setting – CC @Gargron – so please either click on the link or manually forward to ~22m55s for the relevant bit. Unless you want to watch the whole talk, that is, which is also perfectly fine by me.) :P
"We need to move beyond the Silicon Valley model." Aral Balkan is the founder and lead designer of Ind.ie, a social enterprise creating independent alternati...
100%! This was my main criticism of the scuttlebutt project that you have to join these "pubs". It is better than how the fediverse works but it will still concentrate power into big pubs that can refuse you if the admin wishes to.
I also wish these kinds of things would take off. Part of me wants it to be easy for all of my existing friends to join up, and another part wants to make new friends of the sort who would be interested in doing the work to make this stuff work. Quite the tension!
A social network that uses Syncthing under the hood, what an awesome idea! And I also really appreciate the way you showcased the importance of accessibility, very good presentation. @tio @tychosoft @Gargron
Thanks, I thought so too at the time :) But we also needed to integrate it more closely than just running it as a separate process and Jakob was initially involved so I thought we could do that but he decided he wanted to concentrate on Syncthing alone (fair enough) so we never managed to move beyond a certain point. The experience taught me a lot about having control over your core tech & my eventual disillusionment with Apple paved the way for the small web work.
@Tio Yeah, but if you sync your social media posts via bittorrent across millions of peers then you won't be able to edit or delete your post, we need the opposite of this, to keep your posts in your own device and maybe also a server of your choosing (so that people can access your posts when you're offline). Bittorrent is good for sharing media, but won't work well for a social media.
Really interesting presentation and you are very good at making these presentations very fun to watch. I was pleasantly surprised by how you showcased the interface for Heardbeat. Unique. And your analogy with the bullshit tree is so to the point and funny. I loved it. I made a simialr analogy in my book The Origin of Most Problems where I argued actually that we cannot throw seeds on an infertile soil and expect good things to grow out of it. You need a proper soil to plant seeds and I describe how that "soil" should look like. Funny enough I think it combines very well with your analogy because in order for us to plant a new sort of tree we need to have the conditions for it, like support to develop such alternative platforms and programs. Else the seed cannot grow into a tree.
In any case, you are one of the few that I follow and am curious what you are doing and what your input is when it comes to technology. You seem to have been active for very long, and after I
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Really interesting presentation and you are very good at making these presentations very fun to watch. I was pleasantly surprised by how you showcased the interface for Heardbeat. Unique. And your analogy with the bullshit tree is so to the point and funny. I loved it. I made a simialr analogy in my book The Origin of Most Problems where I argued actually that we cannot throw seeds on an infertile soil and expect good things to grow out of it. You need a proper soil to plant seeds and I describe how that "soil" should look like. Funny enough I think it combines very well with your analogy because in order for us to plant a new sort of tree we need to have the conditions for it, like support to develop such alternative platforms and programs. Else the seed cannot grow into a tree.
In any case, you are one of the few that I follow and am curious what you are doing and what your input is when it comes to technology. You seem to have been active for very long, and after I release the documentary am working on now I'd like to learn more about your work and invite you for a conversation when we reboot our podcast.
I am quite sure bittorrent and the new torrent files are now editable by the "owner" of them. You can look it up but am pretty sure that's the new way and works. Plus you have something like the DAT network that was experimental in this regards and worked like that with edits being pushed by the owner of files. Basically they showcased you can have dynamic websites that are fully p2p.
+1 server-based services, even when decentralized as in federated, are vulnerable to recentralization. that's why I prefer truly distributed, P2P systems.
In my experience with talking to people, P2P is a bit confusing. They either confuse it for client-queue-client or think of something like BitTorrent or perhaps I2P. I think F2F is a more precise term that describes a very specific type of P2P: wikiless.northboot.xyz/wiki/Fr… @tio
Also, it really does look to me that decentralization is the same kind of buzzword as "cloud computing" nowadays, grouping together F2F, BitTorrent, federation, blockchain and Web3 (which is a bunch of closed-off prisons built on proprietary technology). It's almost as if these terms are deliberately used to muddy the waters. @tio
yeah, p2p e2e crypto seems to have been captured term-by-term
F2F works for social media contexts, but I'd like to have P2P rather than client/server as a software architecture core design principle, for many more contexts, to try and recover (conquer?) the notion of cloud as a user-beneficial rather than user-exploitative concept.
First time I hear of Friend to Friend....interesting. I tested Retroshare a lot in the past and I wanted to move all of my projects' work there but never really worked well for me. I think it is not maintained in some time now...a shame...
I think Retroshare and Scuttlebutt are fairly similar, Manyverse is just a client for Scuttlebutt. Similar to how Mastodon is the server back-end for accessing the Fediverse. @lxo
Yes I know, maybe I gave the wrong impression that Manyverse is a network while in fact it is a client for the scuttlebutt network. Same as Mastodon is for the fediverse.
So I kinda finished 50 minutes from the 3rd part of TROM II. But now I have to see how I continue. For that I need to go again through the first 2 parts of the documentary. I went through the first part today....difficult. I had to port it to the latest Kdenlive and fix a bunch of things + color correct all interviews footage. I will render it overnight to check it in full resolution tomorrow and prob fix more things for it. Then do it again for the second part. Then re-watch them + the first 50 minutes of the 3rd part and figure how to continue....
But tomorrow I'll also try to release a new TROMjaro ISO....
I am personally not happy to see the fediverse conglomerating around a few huge instances. The growth here means a few people are in control of a vast chunk of the network. A decentralized network is the future. Like Scuttlebutt or the like. No servers, no admins, works better the more people that join since there are more nodes. Similar to the Bittorrent network. That's what I'd like to see. Locally, so you have your own identity that no one can temper with.
That's a future I want to see for "social networks".
The past months Kdenlive releases have been kinda buggy. That needs to be said. Crashed for me several times, crashed for @Sasha ... at least the good thing is that you can easily re-open and recover your project. The text tool is buggy.
I'm not used to do this, but with the large influx of new users and node admins recently coming from #Twitter, our small team is now behind the curve for handling support requests, bug reports and bring about much-needed features.
The project is built on a #PHP / #MySQL platform, but we also need people to be able to assist others just using the software to give developers some space.
2 packages are holding back another TROMjaro ISO release....they were in the Chaotic AUR but later removed. I will wait 1-2 more days to see if they will be added back (I contacted them about that) if not I will try to package them for TROMjaro's repo.
Friendica fact of the day: you can follow pretty much any website out there, including youtube channels, twitter feeds, you name it. All via RSS. So find the RSS address of any website (usually they link to that on the website) and paste it into the contacts form where you normally add contacts. Then follow.
You can also use a trade-free service like rss.trom.tf/ to grab the RSS for those that have none.
So, join us via social.trom.tf :) and follow any RSS source. Easy.
My university didn't have an RSS address or any other way of notifying people they uploaded some vital info that could get people banished if they didn't read it. I remember I made a feed for myself via some website that allowed me to select which parts of the website should be monitored, and used a discord bot to notify me if something new was uploaded, with a photo, title, description and link ^^ RSS is a valuable little piece of technology
I tried to update Friendica to the latest stable today, but the @YunoHost package for Friendica pulled the development version of Friendica instead of the stable one. I reported it here github.com/YunoHost-Apps/frien… - there is a mistake somewhere....but we can't afford to run the dev branch for our 900 or so users. I will try again later on when this is fixed. For now it is all good, I have restored a server snapshot.
I have upgraded my friendica and upgraded to 2022.12-dev .... despite the package being labeled as 2022.10~ynh1. Please see where the mistake is in pulling the friendica files. You should pull from...
Finished 47 or so minutes of the TROM II, 3rd part. Fast! These days I will for sure finish some 50-55 minutes. After that I need to work on some very important 30 or so minutes and reorganize them a bit then edit heavily. That's the last part of this 3rd one. So that's quite challenging....
A massive thanks to Olaf for the 200 Euros donation! If you want to support TROM and all of our projects (see them all here), please consider a donation! Again thank you so much Olaf! #tromlive
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Also the Dev branch now is much better than the stable branch, @Hypolite Petovan said the current stable is kind of buggy (I rephrased it, don't remember the exact words).
So better pick the current Dev state I think.
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