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We create a lot of trade-free stuff, and hopefully this month we will release something new. Let's see.
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Aaron Swartz joined the RSS working group when he was 13. At 15 he became a foundational member of Creative Commons. He was working on precursors to markdown at 16.
We should not be locking young people out of our communities and keeping them away from digital tools that can open doors for them, expand their knowledge, sharpen their skills, and help them grow into well-rounded adults.
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It was a Friday and I was working when I saw the news that he had died
I cried then and I am now as well
I agree that we should allow kids access to technology.
But Aaron Schwartz of all people never got to grow into a "well-rounded adult" since he killed himself at 26. That's a rather unfortunate choice of words for that particular example.
Sensitive content
Swartz's bandwidth put him in the ether among the digital dragons and not beneath, even at thirteen.
Average kids can surely not compete against digital manipulation any better today.
this ❤️ for so many people I know, online communities in the late 90s / early 00s were a way to find your people and learn so many different things.
Maybe instead of shutting kids out, we should make the people at the top of the food chain accountable for their fuck ups in creating tooling and platforms that are addictive ON PURPOSE, where misinformation & abuse are rampant.
I know NOT ONE PERSON agrees with me but
AS hacked JSTOR using MIT's library
MIT told him to stop
He did it a second time, causing JSTOR to block access to all of MIT
he was escorted off campus and told not to come back
but cause he was a rich white kid, no cops
He did it a 3rd time and finally MIT called the cops
AS was extremely destructive as at the time digitization was very $ and JSTOR was doing good work
and chances are we won't... Not because the powers that be won't try, just it'll be a minor challange for smart kids to overcome.
For clarity, I don't want a locked down internet.
*nodds in agreement*
#AaronSwartz is still a true legend!
You still deserve privacy, even if you:
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This weird hot take sounds to me a bit like:
"You still deserve to live, even if you:
* blindfold yourself
* run across the street
* are deaf
* just want to have fun
Those of us walking on roads need to do a better job of saying that everyone deserves to not die in an accident."
…it is all true 💯 – reality just makes it hard to leave it at that.
You misunderstood. I agree 💯. But I agree in a way that questions what asking for a right is worth, when the problem isn't the absence of ("well deserved") rights, but the harshness of reality.
Everybody deserves good health (thats a given!), but that can't be grounds to "defend" people being careless.
BTW, I also agree big-tech needs to be regulated. But as long as it isn't you can't ignore reality.
Your music is the crack...
This release is an emergency release to fix a critical security vulnerability in the Linux kernel, as well as security vulnerabilities in Tor Browser and in the Tor client.blog.torproject.org
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We have received a Copyright claim from Amazon for our @PeerTube instance videos.trom.tf/ . Hetzner, the hosting company where we have the dedicated server at, gave us 24h to resolve it.
The problem?
The video in question, a documentary about "aliens", a garbage piece of content, was NOT hosted on our instance, of course. But since Peertube is federated the idiots sent the claim to our hosting company. Even if UNDER the video you can see that video is "Posted By:" and the instance and username. It takes a few seconds to see where the video is hosted.
But who cares...maybe Amazon has "AI Agents" employed and they simply find a video of theirs on a URL and see the IP of that URL and submit a Copyright claim to the hosting where that domain is registered?!
Bunch of idiots.
But it is very concerning the fact that they can do these and we, the ones who host (and for free for that matter), need to quickly "fix" these things even if the claim has nothing to do with our server.
We eventually had to block that URL, thanks Peertube for allowing that, else these idiots cannot understand that it was not us who were hosting that video.
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So first up, I am not a lawyer, even if I play one on TV. Seems to me though that even if you didn't post the video, that if your server is seeding it, then technically you, among others, *are* hosting it?
Surely in this case though you could comply just by defederating that particular piece of content / user?
It's interesting though that Amazon are recognizing Peertube content, even if just for copyright. That to me suggests they're keeping an eye on it, even if they likely don't consider it a major threat... yet.
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> if your server is seeding it, then technically you, among others, *are* hosting it?
I don't think that's how @peertube works. Remote videos are discoverable by searching on a PT service, but it's the viewer that's seeding them by watching (because WebTorrent), not the PT service providing the search results.
You're right that copyright lawyers and often judges haven't cared much about such nuances though, or we would have won the CopyWars.
@trom
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"The video in question, a documentary about "aliens", a garbage piece of content, was NOT hosted on our instance, of course"
As other have said (and may yet say) IANAL
*That said* there is a vast difference between "hosted on" and "served from"
Your instance may *not* be the sole source for that content, but if a video consumer *gets* it though you, guess what?
It doesn't matter what "makes sense"
This is law, and lawyer-speak
Good luck with it
cc @peertube@framapiaf.org
What you "like" or "think should happen" is utterly irrelevant
And you clearly don't understand the usage of the word "Federated"
Which is super common around here
Being federated makes *every* federated instance the [a] source
There is no one single point source -- the sources are all federated into multi-point "sources"
@maddad
If a forum page embeds a YT video isn't it displaying just a link?
Anyway, if we become relevant they will drown us in lawsuits, not because their claims are reasonable but because we can't afford the lawyers to prove that.
That's how the justice system works.
I guess only #EFF could solve this by defending some cases to establish a rule of law.
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> And you clearly don't understand the usage of the word "Federated"
You probably intended this as a nonchalant segue into your next point (I've done this). But FYI it comes across as quite patronising and out of context. @trom is hosting a PeerTube server. Chances are they have a pretty good understanding of the range of things "federated" can mean in this context.
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You're not wrong that a lawyer might see a search result as a 'source' for copyright purposes. This is exactly what they've done with TPB et al. But ...
@FinchHaven
> federated makes *every* federated instance the [a] source
On Mastodon et al, yes. Because text posts are automatically delivered in full to everyone following the account that posted it. But PeerTube doesn't work that way, it just sends a title and a link to followers (or the wasted storage and bandwidth would be extreme).
Well. I think this is analogous for holding torrent tracker owners liable for torrent content.
The contents of torrents tracked by a tracker never go even near the tracker. The tracker only helps leechers find seeders. But still, somehow, magically, the tracker owner is doing the copyright infringement.
@peertube
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Gossi the dog had a similar issue, but from a Microsoft linked company.
Reponse was to reply to the email saying we are launching at you hete on the internet. Because Microsoft don't understand how the internet works, then a link to the discussion thread.
@harib_murshidi
I'm guessing it was probably some conspiracy theorist nonsense about aliens, or else he wouldn't describe a documentary as garbage.
People watch documentaries to learn about something real and true, but if it's full of misinformation then it is not only a garbage film but also harmful to society.
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Despite any right or wrong. That's how power works. And the fediverse is not save from oligarchs and/or their power.
We should keep this in mind. And hopefully find a way to avoid such threats somehow.
No one/admin can risk any lawsuit were the other side is something like A.
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This story is dumb, but the first thing I saw on PeerTube cracked me up peertube.tv/w/cFBgusJfcLw6yUfE…
ASMR windows screensaver going fast to relax you faster
This is the fastest relaxation you will find
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Beginning of the End? 🛑
In March 2026, @Instagram announced that it would no longer support end-to-end encrypted messaging after May 8, 2026.
This development comes amid growing threats to strong encryption from governments across the globe. As pressure on platforms continues to increase, Instagram’s decision to discontinue E2EE could be the first domino that sparks a chain reaction.
Read more about these developments here: sflc.in/beginning-of-the-end/
#encryption #privacy #instagram
In this blog post, SFLC.in analyses the significance of platforms discontinuing e2ee in light of the increasing global threat to end-to-end encryption.pranay (Software Freedom Law Center, India • Defender of Your Digital Freedom)
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At this point, the Google Play app review process has become a security liability. I have had an app update for #Conversations_im in the review queue since April 28th. Previously, app updates have been rejected for stupid, hallucinated reasons; this time, we are just being ignored entirely. The release is not shipping any security fixes, but imagine if it did.
#XMPP
Relative rotation speed and axial tilts of the planets.
Credit: Dr James O'Donoghue
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@allypally
of course!
what's a star-based day?
A solar day is from noon till noon. In that time the earth has moved in its orbit. A star-based day (sidereal day) would be from a particular star is due south, until the next time it’s due south. The earth moves along its orbit so the two are slightly different. 4 mins of time difference x 365 days in a solar year works out at about 24 hours as you’d expect.
I’m not an astronomer. If anyone has a better explanation please chip in.
when I found there were different day lengths I t took me ages to work out what was going on. I’m glad you got it. The original diagram specifies sidereal day.
I liked your remark about speeding up, though. [Edit: slowing down!]
Mars & Venus are such slow coaches! 😃
What a wonderful illustration of the relative complexities of our Earth’s fellow planets. 🤗
Dr. James O’Donoghue is a star. 🤩 (pun intended)
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Here is a fun animation that will help you to understand the relative rpms of the planets.(via. tumblr.com/bandit-jay/69818217…)
Comparing the rotations of objects in the Solar System. Just look at them lol.✨🪐
To everyone that's confused, the planet Venus rotates very very slowly, with a single revolution taking about 243 Earth days, and Mercury rotates slowly, but not as slow as Venus.Tumblr
@nazokiyoubinbou
Of course the question is now why Pluto and Ceres were included in @Physicsj 's graphic and Eris and Sedna were not. (-:
The answer is, according to an old post, that Eris and Sedna had not yet been mapped.
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#astronomy #DwarfPlanets #UniversityOfReading #Eris #Sedna
Attached: 1 video The planets to scale in every way... plus dwarf planets Ceres and Pluto, the only two mapped dwarf planets. The material from which all planets grew was orbiting the Sun.Dr James O'Donoghue (Mastodon)
@europlus OK, but Neptune is a pale aquamarine like Uranus though
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…
Another Linux vulnerability. Do these! - forum.tromjaro.com/t/another-l…
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TROMjaro 2026.05.08 - forum.tromjaro.com/t/tromjaro-…
#linux #xfce #foss #trade-free
The usual Manjaro Stable updates, that also fix that nasty Linux security issue. And a few changes: Kernel 618 We moved to the new LTS kernel. If you want to do that open the “Kernel” app on your sytem and install it. Reboot the system.TROMjaro Forum
Google's new reCAPTCHA can require Google Play Services to pass, meaning a de-Googled phone will fail the "are you human?" check. Combined with mandatory developer verification and AOSP going private, the pattern over the last year is impossible to ignore. Here's what I think it means for Android, custom ROMs, and the open-source community that built this whole ecosystem.
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I really hate to do this, but I will play the devil's advocate right now, because I genuinely think that Google has a point in doing this.
The sad reality of it all is that AI is becoming more and more intelligent, as we speak and it has gotten to the point in which it's just too computationally expensive for website owners and server owners from all over the world, to distinguish between what's a real, legitimate human visitor of their server, trying to make a request or send a POST action to confirm some stateful command, and what's an automated bot that's trying to pose as a human and deceive the server on the other end.
We are at a point in which there needs to be some kind of attestation framework in place to make this distinction in a proper manner and sadly, the only way to do this that's also very difficult to hack around is to use one's entire Google account that has a rich and diverse history of search queries, android app installations, youtube history and so on, to create a profile that's difficult to fake by AI. Many other, way less intensive techniques have been tried in the past, and they have all been defeated. AI has become too good at pretending to be a human.
The last bastion of verifying whether a given user is a human or not has to be very invasive because their Google account information is the only real way of proving that you're not a bot
Thanks for covering this. I thought I was going crazy when I first encountered this about 3 days ago. I tried using my GrapheneOS phone without Google Play Services, but of course that wouldn't work. (Currently signs indicate right now that Installing sandboxed Google Play Services will make this new form of reCAPTCHA function, but please double check this and don't quote me on that.)
Hopefully these trends will encourage some sort of fork of Android/some other mobile OS to emerge so that we (at least in North America) have to choose between Apple or Google, like choosing between a rock and a hard place.
@henry
this just sounds scary. alphabet inc already has lot of control over internet through google ads, google adsense, analytics, search, google account, google play and others. now this "captcha" connection to google account or google play services. it starts to sounds like "world domination" and almost total internet surveillance tracking.
this needs to be stopped.
Looks like #Google managed to sneak #PlatformAttestation into #Android after all, after their insidious #WEI proposal was shot down by pubic outcry. They've tied the nextgen #reCAPTCHA to the Android #PlayServices.
Upon detection of suspicious activities, you'll be asked to scan a QR code with Play Services running. It implies that the users of #degoogled Android like #Graphene will no longer be able to solve it. You'll be restricted to devices blessed by Google.
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How many critical services are tied to #draconian schemes like #reCAPTCHA and #SafetyNet API? #Banking, #Healthcare, #eCommerce, #PublicServices, #PublicTransport, #RideHailing and even #WeatherServices. What are the implications of every citizen having to seek permissions from a trillion-dollar MNC to access any of them?
Check out project #PRISM to see who Google silently shares this data with. #Google is a serious #state_sponsored #ThreatActor against individuals & national #sovereignty.
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To all the #Government[s] of the world: You subject us to lofty ideals like #DataLocalization and invasive surveillance like #ChatControl in the pretense of #privacy, #security and #LawEnforcement. Why then do you forcefully enroll us into this crooked global #Surveillance net that's not in either of our interests? That's a betrayal of your entire nation!
We need iron fisted #regulations and heavy monetary #penalties against such #aggressive and #abusive #cabals instead.
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To all #technologists / #techies: This won't be limited to #Android. They WILL insist on the same standard of #security on all #devices. Are you ready to settle for just #Windows, #MacOS and #Chromebook?
These #corporations have splendidly demonstrated that they're primarily #authoritarians and #fascists who wield #technology as their main weapon. Who does that leave as their opponents? You have to inform the rest of the #population. Your #voice matters! Make it count!
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We need alternatives that work:
1. #Technologists: #Smartphones need #customizable #alternatives like PCs with #Linux or #BSDs. NOW is the time to double down on it.
2. #Governments: If you really care about your #sovereignty, we need #regulations and strict #laws against this abuse, and the #corporate stranglehold of the #component_market.
3. #Consumers: Vote with your wallet! Prioritize your #freedom over short-term #savings. This is a time-tested strategy.
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Exciting announcement!
We created a new YouTube channel, and I'm one of the hosts!
We decided to make a series out of responding to comments on the @EUCommission social media accounts.
It would really help me out if you hit that like button and leave a comment about what subject we should do next (if commenting on YT is your jam, that is.)
you can watch it here:
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Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.Made in Europe (YouTube)
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there's automatic mirroring/backup tools between YouTube and Peertube. Some YouTube channels already use it.
@ui3o
❤️ at the elfen statt trollen sticker. Excellent sentiment 🙂
Great news!
Is planned to publish the videos in parallel on PeerTube as well?
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@rozeboosje Because we're not a mini UN, nor a theme park with trade agreements? We're a common culture bound by a shared legal framework. It seems staggeringly arrogant to me to assume resource-rich countries on other continents would even WANT to be under the jurisdiction of the CJUE. Also: are we TOO functional right now? Are our institutions working SO well that we need to add lawmakers from 10 timezones away with 0 interest in Europe to our legislative process? #CanadaJar
@rozeboosje Because they're not European.
Freedom of Movement is one of the 4 freedoms under our 🇪🇺 Treaties. It's not free. There are tradeoffs. You're supposed to pool sovereignty to participate in the Single Market, it's overseen by 🇪🇺 Courts under 🇪🇺 law. Btw, Canada has 0 business being in the SM since Manitoba and Québec trade less freely with each other than Sweden and Bulgaria do inside the SM.
Why would any EUropean want to dilute the EU, plus extra vetoes in the 2 Councils?
@rozeboosje The point is moot because Canada is not a European country and our Treaties and our Union are supposed to *mean* something to us. Again, we're not the UN, nor the OSCE and we can have wonderful trade relationships with allies in other organisations that are not the EU.
Because we're NOT giving veto power over our eurolives to Saskatchewan.
Canada simps can spend time and resources on getting the 10 EU statelets that haven't ratified CETA yet to do it.
Would help if some of these comments were on YouTube 😉
We’ve got some bets going in the team about how many views we’ll have by Monday so I’m trying to push the vids a little more 🤣
@rozeboosje I haven't had a google account in almost a decade, I had no idea you needed one to comment on YT, but of course, lol.
@hpod16 I love you, but I'm not farming content for them. I learnt something you might find interesting in this convo started by the CNES CM who's asked her bosses if they can get Peertube or at least mirror it (easy?). Some Mastodon users even filter out posts w/YT links. I'm lazy/lowtech, I just put the songs in odesli to ditch the ads.
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La CM ne connait pas Peertube, préférez-vous que nous arrêtions de vous partager nos liens Youtube sur Mastodon ? (vraie question, n'hésitez pas à donner votre avis)Elle est où l'instance #Peertube du #CNES ? 🧐
#ÉnergieSombre #Univers
@Veza85UE @rozeboosje
That’s absolutely fair 😉
Was worth a try though.
If I just share the YT clips here you can still watch em though, right?
@rozeboosje @Veza85UE There are quite large technical differences that affect how efficiently video spreads between servers, and that is less relevant to users. I haven’t seen any comparisons, but my guess is that large videos are better with Peertube, while smaller ones work well on Mastodon.
There is also a huge difference in how the interface works. Peertube works like a video service, where I can browse a channel’s videos easily. On Mastodon the video is always secondary.
Yes, the only filters I have are text-based. My Oubliette is vast and focused on keeping out anglo content, but it doesn't work for videos.
I commented on YouTube, mentioning "hpod16" (in an attempt to promote your Mastodon account), but it got deleted.
I didn't comment on the topic (yet), though. Maybe that's why.
I avoided links on purpose 🙂
First I wrote smth like: "find purple Hannah on Mastodon: hpod16"
And then I tried simply: "💜 hpod16"
Both got deleted.
hahaa! Successfully removed all IR and UV filters from my old Canon EOS 600D, I can do full spectrum, UV and IR photography now!
All of the following photos have been taken with a ~550nm+ lpf, meaning cutting everything under 550nm (blue, purple and uv) off. I love the vibrant pink foliage and dramatic turquoise skies #photography
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The camera also is already nutria approved!! Got sniffed and was found to be okay (I think..)
Also, man, water!! The turquoise is just fantastic! #photography
There are some hardships though, since the camera now sees a lot more light (the full IR spectrum), but the light-meter cannot process that properly, auto-exposing is off by about 2 steps. Even worse, with the missing filters and the phase-detect diodes not being in that path anyways, the auto-focus is now off by a tiny bit. You can get used to it, but at first, I was just way off with my focus and exposure.
The resulting images are also very much discoloured, this is because the red and blue channels have to be swapped, which given that I shoot raw becomes annoying. I don't think there is a command line tool to switch two channels in a canon raw-file (.cr2), imagemagick will just invoke darktable.
Using darktable for development would be great, but I sadly have a bunch of bugs with it and my tool of choice is anyways DxO PhotoLab... which cannot swap colour channels -.-
So my workflow right now is to demosaic all photos in DxO, export them as 16bit tif files, then run a batch imagemagick command to swap the red and blue channel on all photos, just to re-import them in DxO for final development. This actually not tedious, just time intensive...
Anymeow, this is how a raw image without development actually looks like. The white-purple foliage is actually neat, maybe I will do something with it as well some time, but for now I enjoy the pink-turquoise style more
FWIW, here are some near-IR shots I've taken with a camera that has all UV/IR filters removed...and the Bayer color array...so it's a monochrome camera...a poor person's version of a Leica.
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A weak backdoor cold front is pushing a low layer of cold wet air over the flanks of the Sierra Blanca massif.This infrared monochrome image shows the advancing clouds moving from right to left.
Infrared makes the clear 'blue' sky look rather dark, and trees/vegetation are very bright in IR.
#NewMexico #Photography #Infrared #Monochrome #Mountains
@raymaccarthy
Here are some options to get a dedicated IR (and even UV if you remove all the filters):
kolarivision.com/product/full-…
Or find a discarded point-and-shoot at a flea market and hack into it yourself. You can find how-to vid's on YouTube.
I have experimented a bit with portraiture in various bands using a full-spectrum camera. In near-IR everyone has pasty white skin. Think of the scenes in Dune 2.
youtube.com/shorts/5UEGpAvaeEU
If you shoot in near-UV, every freckle or other dark skin mark looks like a blotch of india ink. Folks can look 20 years older in near-UV.
Auf YouTube findest du die angesagtesten Videos und Tracks. Außerdem kannst du eigene Inhalte hochladen und mit Freunden oder gleich der ganzen Welt teilen.Heartsnreels (YouTube)
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Thanks for asking.
monochromeimaging.com/ did the conversion for me. I sent them a used Sony a6300 body.
They never told me how they did it, and I never asked...but my hunch is that they removed the sensor from the camera body and then heated it...just enough to soften the adhesive that held the Bayer filter in place, gently pried it off, and put the sensor back in the body with some spacers to change the sensor height. They had to do that because removing a glass filter out of the converging optical path shifts the resulting focal plane...so they set sensor height so that my manual lenses had the same focus setting...infinity focus setting remained the same after the conversion, give or take a few thousandths of an inch. Works for me. Your mileage may vary.
@KrajciTom from my research into doing it myself, it looks like most manufacturers use dyed versions of the same kind of photoresist that's used when producing the silicon itself make the bayer filter
the correct way to removie it is to buy the dedicated hard-baked-photoresist remover from 3m, some horrbile concoction of solvents that you apply to the chip boiling hot
Lovely extra-visible imagery :)
Always nice to see folks taking a peek outside the visible. Light behaves so differently there, it is always such a pleasant surprise.
It's becoming increasingly clear to me that Reflect Orbital's fucking stupid giant mirror satellite, with absolutely NOTHING useful to offer, which will cause countless safety issues, ecological disasters, and destroy the night sky, is going to launch.
A bunch of astronomers and I have sent out a fact sheet about them to a bunch of journalists, but very few are going to write about this. So, let me try posting it all here.
Here's what I know about Reflect Orbital and all the downsides:
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categories:Robotic Spaceflight, Science | tags:Astrophysics, MagazineAstronomy Staff (Astronomy magazine)
We’re already there though… the Starlink model is to orbit and then ‘deorbit’ satellites by the thousands. The standard ‘space guy’ response to any concerns has become some version of ‘that’s ok, we’ll just be deorbiting them all, so nothing’s permanent’ which is, of course, bullshit.
That is true.
But I do not have a mass breakdown for what Reflect Orbital is trying to launch - they have been inconsistent in reporting the size of the claimed mirror. So I cannot say how much they would contribute to atmospheric pollution.
As @sundogplanets wrote, the question is how much of a mess the group makes before this all stops.
Yes, but we need to keep reminding ourselves and others that at scale, ‘deorbiting’ satellites is just another way of saying ‘pumps metals and rare earths into the upper atmosphere’ and there’s no way that could go wrong is there?
@Npars01 @davidtheeviloverlord @datarama The space laser thing* was actually one of those "accusations as confession" statements?!? I couldn't figure out where the absurdity came from at the time. Now, it's perfectly clear. Holy crap.
*when MTG spouted the QAnon conspiracy that Jewish-financed Space Lasers caused the California wildfires in 2018.
@datarama
Add a bit of technology to these "sunlight satellites" & could these be converted to a low earth orbit laser platform?
thedebrief.org/threat-of-war-i…
arstechnica.com/features/2025/…
aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/b…
medium.com/@ToryBrunoULA/laser…
In addition to the hazards created by the metallic chaff from Elon Musk's Starlinks that suffer from "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly" ie they explode regularly; how much easily weaponizable stuff do we want in space?
@Npars01 @datarama
There was a story in Analog science fiction magazine in the early 1980s about this. IIRC, it was a murder mystery. How did this executive get cooked in his office, next door to a green skyscraper where every window:
A) worked as a solar panel,
B) adjusted to track the sun,
C) could also reflect sunlight like a mirror to cool the building.
@davidtheeviloverlord @datarama
My thinking was more along the lines of a collimating lens affixed to the satellite...
tscbro.com/blogs/home-news/wha…
techeblog.com/hacksmith-iron-m…
Although, I recognize that lasers and atmospheric dispersion makes it impracticable. Usually. Attenuation.
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Hacksmith Industries is back at it again, and this time, they have built a functional 1.5 Kilowatt Iron Man laser gauntlet capable of cutting through...Jackson Chung (Staff)
@Npars01 @davidtheeviloverlord @datarama
What if a high powered ground based laser is pointed to these orbital reflectors? It could act as a directed energy relay and be used as a weapon.
See this post by ToughSF on bsky:
A US company wants to launch a satellite in 2026 that acts as a mirror and reflects sunlight back to Earth. Thousands more are planned. Criticism is increasing.Martin Holland (heise online)
It's worth scrubbing through the EEVblog video she links.
TL, DW - Dave's simple back of the envelope math reveals the sunlight spreads out to a few hundred MILLIwatts / m^2. Not even enough energy to run the power inverters the solar cells are connected to. Recovered energy == zero.
This is Nikola / Theranos level fraud.
@arisummerland
> this is one of the stupidest things I have seen proposed recently. Next thing you know we'll have LED billboards in space or... whatever
This! Sunlight-as-a-Service is like something out of Idiocracy. What's shocking is not that one nutter envisioned it (some of the blue skies brainfarts I come up with are just as far out), nor that a subculture of true believers formed around it. But that people in control of serious resources took it seriously.
@martinvermeer @tml I'll just say that if they have thousands of satellites, they will have to be at many different altitudes. Something at 600km altitudes is easily visible for a couple hours after sunset or before sunrise, which is fully dark - that's when you see all the Starlink satellites.
18x18m is their first satellite size. Large enough to be damaging to your eyes if it's reflecting sunlight and you accidentally look at it with binoculars. I'd say that's a really big problem.
@tml But as I was arguing, it is visible _well beyond_ astronomical twilight, which is when the Sun is less than 18 degrees below the horizon, and still illuminates the top of the atmosphere. I know, I have observed satellites for years.
Edit: as the name implies, 'astronomical twilight' is before the sky is dark enough to make astronomical observations, i.e., really dark.
@martinvermeer But during Finnish summer nights there is more light anyway than what such a tiny orbital space mirror would provide.
The plans of this company are crazy enough as such, no need to use wild exaggerations to fight them. Just simple calculations are enough to demonstrate that it is a scam. I hope.
What the actual FUCK. How dare they? How can this be allowed?
Can we start an actual 'people's Darwin award' and humiliate these dangerous greedy sociopaths into submission?
I remember recently reading an article about... I think it was China, might be wrong... talking about putting up satellites with what I imagine would be significant solar arrays, and then downlinking the power to ground stations as focused microwave beams.
I don't know if that technology is actually feasible, but even then you'd still have to be careful; it might not "blind" astronomers per se, but wouldn't it mess with radio astronomy?
Never mind the other reasons, I'm honestly amazed that anyone thinks this is economically viable.
My guess? It's a scam for venture capital, just like Theranos.
what baffles me the most is also the fact that the FCC (an american regulatory body) seems to be the only one able to accept or refuse that project...
What about all the other countries where these statellites would be passing by?
(also, thanks for the thread, very insightful)
Solar power has the disadvantage that there's no Sun at night. Satellite startup Reflect Orbital wants to change that, but at what cost?Ethan Siegel (Big Think)
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@startswithabang I wonder if people in places like ancient Egypt bitched about the pointlessness of the gods demanding them waste all their effort and resources building small mountains for them.
"Next thing you know they're gonna want us to put giant mirrors in space to reflect the sun so they can pretend to control that too."
All the various other places...
"Why we building these stupid statues pointing out to sea when we're all dying?"
What makes you think it's really going to happen? To me it just feels like a grift.
As a side note, from time to time I do solar cooking. I've made multiple cookers with various materials. Space blanket mylar is inexpensive, but it tends to break down after a few months. You can use thicker mylar that works for like two years, but it weighs a lot more, so would cost more to launch. UV in space would be worse.
Have I mentioned how much I like Nicole Mortillaro? Great article, includes quotes from @JohnBarentine (there were various good reasons why she didn't interview me for this one, but fortunately a lot of other astronomers besides me are really worried about Reflect Orbital's thoughtless plan)
cbc.ca/news/science/reflect-or…
Reflect Orbital is stupid and will cause countless problems with no measurable benefits.
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@Teratogenese @JohnBarentine you're probably not wrong. The company is advertising one of their services as defence.
At the end of the day, all this technology has some connection to killing, torturing, or spying on people. I can see this as a heat ray, yes, or as a means of torturing people by exposing them to constant light. It would make it easier to monitor people too in otherwise dark places.
- to a bunch of journalists
+ to a bunch of hitmen
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Tired: the Torment Nexus
Wired: the Orbital Insomnia Nexus
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Apropos of nothing
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_su…
People with such dumb ideas tend to be pretty dumb. They tend to ignore the experts they hire and "move fast and break shit". But moving fast and breaking shit *IN SPACE* (as well as *AT THE BOTTOM OF THE OCEAN*) doesn't, um, work very well?
I'll be surprised if they can deploy without trying 50 times.
New article from Smithsonian Magazine about how stupid Reflect Orbital's plans are: smithsonianmag.com/science-nat…
Features interviews with me and several of my excellent astronomer colleagues on the American Astronomical Society Committee for the Protection of Astronomy and the Space Environment! Looks like Reflect Orbital has followed SpaceX's lead and stopped responding to journalist inquiries.
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Ya, petitions need to include specific details about how the list of signatures will be used. Most don't, this one doesn't. It's just a feel good action otherwise.
Liberal politics in a nutshell
DarkSky International just posted their position letter on Reflect Orbital. It is direct and to the point:
"Based on current scientific evidence, DarkSky does not see a viable pathway for such systems to align with responsible lighting principles or with our mission to protect natural darkness. These systems would introduce significant ecological, human health, safety, and astronomical risks at a global scale."
Read their letter and add your name here:
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So when you teach your children not to look at the sun during daytime as it can burn their retina
Remember to stop them looking at the stars at night as they might accidentally look at one of these stupid fucking mirrors too long & also burn their retina
@PatrickHerd WHAT. WHAT WHAT WHAT.
THIS is who wants to destroy the sky for $$? Ugh.
"DarkSky International" vs. "Reflect Orbital" does sound a little comical.
Waiting for Bruce Wayne and Bruce Banner to take sides soon
There's still one question open for me.
Why? Why would I even want to pay for that?
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I used to help editing with publishing research for journals into the early morning hours, writing patents, so yeah, I know a few scientists...
What we see on television is...
Trump is a doctor and Musk a scientist. 🤣
Is that strictly necessary, though? The people that come to mind, apart from actual scientists I know personally (who would probably not want to be known in any wider public sense) are those who have taken it upon themselves to become science communicators, often with unpleasant side effects like harassment.
I‘m happy for scientists to science away in peace. Lots of scientific achievement is a collective effort anyway.
@cargot_robbie *meanwhile, on the fediverse* "DAN THE CLAM MAN", "DR LAWLER HAS A BABY GOAT NAMED CYBERTRUCK", etc etc
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Instead of drip-feeding it across 20+ posts, why not post the complete thought in one single post? (This would also increase accessibility.)
The character limit per post is easily configurable for you since you run your own instance.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Google's reCAPTCHA is planning an approach where they use Privacy Pass on Apple hardware, their own approach on Google Mobile Services Android devices and a QR code scanning system to require an iOS or Google certified Android device for Windows and other systems:
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •It's the goal.
For example, all those new laws for age verification are to prevent you from using an operating system or ROM that cannot be minored or controlled. Blocking reCAPTCHA on a non-approved, non-certified government and corporate sanctioned devices is just 1 piece of the big picture.
For example, the USA has made any new router not made in the USA illegal to import or sell. They can apply for an exception if they agree to include their new control chip or firmware.
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in reply to Linux Is Best • • •Motorola has a security contract with the USA.
They will, depending on need, release a device with GrapheneOS — or delay it — and work closely with you to identify the methods and vulnerabilities you discover, as well as how you implement features to overcome the planned “new normal,” so that, behind the scenes, they can undermine and circumvent your work in the future. The investment — which includes you — is intended to strengthen relations and acquire additional contracts. 😭
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I am the source.
Both Motorola Mobility with Motorola Solutions CAGE Code: 01113, 6H7Z2, 78205, and 7H229 (NCAGE).
dla.mil/Working-With-DLA/Appli…
If you’re looking for an actual document that says, “Yes, we’re trying to screw over the American people,” a written confession in a convenient PDF file, you won’t find one. Ever.
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Yes, and money goes both ways.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •i complained on many official service they ignore it, the ombudsman was called and they seem to ignore it too.
they all aswer the bullshit that you are labelled insecure by official tool, because google tool automatically mark non licensed OS as insecure regardless of their actual security.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Google has the entirety of its commercial success thanks to the openness and interoperability of the #WWW. To try an captcha it to build a walled garden is, frankly speaking, an act of disrespect for @timbl and the entire web community.
Microsoft has tried it. Apple has tried it as well. Both have finally had the insight that working with the community is much more rewarding and profitable than working against it.
Let's work toward Google having that same revelation as well.
(Sorry for the pun, couldn't resist)
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Unified Attestation is another anti-competitive system being pushed by multiple European companies. It will similarly lock people out from using arbitrary hardware and software. That's not a solution and is far worse than Android's much more open hardware attestation API.
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Unified Attestation is another anti-competitive system being pushed by multiple European companies. It will similarly lock people out from using arbitrary hardware and software. That's not a solution and is far worse than Android's much more open hardware attestation API.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Governments should take that apart immediately, but they are powerless cowards.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •care to comment @EUCommission @hpod16
i increasily grew annoyed with the EU a** licking of Google and Apple...
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •The Brazilian government app "gov.br" requires Play Integrity too. There's no fallback, no alternative verification method.
I've sent complaints to the Brazilian entities suggested in the "Keep Android Open" website, but they either reply with a template message or completely ignore it.
Google is pretty much our Evil Corp, but where is fsociety? 👹
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Certainly it won't be easy. I think we have more allies in this than are currently obvious. The manufacturers that provide Android devices won't like an environment where Google Android is the only game in town. Samsung's entire software offering is proof that they at least are unwilling to cede the entire software stack to Google. The more strictly Google cuts off older devices or unpatched devices, the more control they will be exerting against those manufacturers
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in reply to Ra • • •@Ra I can't use the online services of my healthcare provider on my desktop (cant login on their website) without having their app on an android or apple device. I'am effectively being locked out of all of their online services (except contacting them via email).
germany here
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Word! I hate #reCAPTCHA with a deep passion. It’s not just annoying but also yet another proprietary software forced on us.
It was bad before Google attempted to expand it further, and will continue to be bad.
The need to kick spambots/etc. out is understandable, but depending on proprietary software to do it is a BAD idea. There are other ways.
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in reply to Inanna🇵🇸 • • •@FantasmitaAsex reCAPTCHA is extremely widely adopted. A portion of services using alternatives won't solve how much damage they can do to alternatives via control of reCAPTCHA.
Only a tiny proportion of apps use the Play Integrity API and ban GrapheneOS with it. It's something like 1/10000 apps or even lower but for banking apps it's around 1/10 and important government apps around 2/10. However, it's widely adopted enough that it's a huge barrier to GrapheneOS adoption for people already.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •My bank has been this way for months already. They got rid of other 2FA methods they used to support and require a Google-approved Android OS or iOS... even to log in to their banking UI on a desktop/laptop.
It's infuriating, and it means I'm now 100% locked in to a proprietary app on a proprietary OS (controlled by 1 of 2 companies, both headquartered in California, USA) on a proprietary phone for banking and public transit (in Europe), with no alternative possible. 😖
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Hardware Attestation should only be used in situation when device is supposed to not be owned by the user. Like an internal service of a company making sure only company-provided devices are accessing it.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Bank I am customer of, in a EU-candidate country, when add some services, makes them available only from mobile device. For example, purchase of travel insurance, which normally happens beforehand, not during travel itself.
I don't see a logical reason to limit a service availability to a weaker in UX sense mobile platform with small screen, half if it usually eaten by on-screen keyboard, and lack of proper mouse/keyboard).
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •I wonder of there's someone you can contact in the Canadian government to try to hard-block this from becoming a requirement with our government, banks, etc., from a national security perspective. You might find a receptive audience given that we're trying to gain some independence from the US.
My feeling is that the government knows that reliance on American tech is a problem and a trap, but they don't have a good grasp of the details or the alternatives.
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •I know almost nothing about computers
but if Apple/Google are forcing banks to use better* hardware, then I say hooray for A/G
*term not precisely defined, but generally meaning , roughly, more secure
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •-- I am not surprised that they are going for hardware certificates since the CPU chiphering / randomness tampering is going to fade away soon:
github.com/robang74/uchaosys/b…
...and yes, I am again me: the one behind the Sailfish OS refactoring attempt then presented as RedFish OS at SFSCONF 2023. 😁
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Unknown parent • • •@7cd4a72311bad46117e0f692dddc5f31a543b47ff4265b028f8d820ac808ab3c @MAlBarram Pixels aren't somehow dead and none of what we posted is in any way specific to Pixels, Android devices or operating systems based on the Android Open Source Project.
You should read the thread we posted which is about them bringing the Play Integrity API to the web including for desktops by requiring having a phone certified by it or an iOS device in order to pass checks on the web and desktops too.
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Your chart is ready, and can be found here:
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Things may have changed since I started compiling that, and some things may have been inaccessible.
In particular, the very nature of the fediverse means some toots may never have made it to my instance, in which case I can't see them, and can't include them.
The chart will eventually be deleted, so if you'd like to keep it, make sure you download a copy.
Demi Marie Obenour
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in reply to GrapheneOS • • •There are IMHO few cars when hardware attestation (which btw is the ultimate in anti handicapped stance one can take, I literally remember a decade ago how a colleague modified his Linux workstation to deal with his personal mix of handicaps)
And if there is a need for that there is no need to go with a vendor lock-in solution as the grapheneos crew correctly points out.
But security theater is cheaper than haviyng real competent engineer look over the security design for real.
naph
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in reply to naph • • •Sub_Root
in reply to GrapheneOS • • •Hardened OSs like #GrapheneOS do a great job, but we have a major blind spot: The Hardware.
Modern phones are networks of dozens of "black box" computers (UFS, Baseband, Wi-Fi) running proprietary code we can't audit, disable, secure or replace.
Why this matters:
1️⃣ Persistence: Malware in your UFS/SSD controller survives a factory reset.
2️⃣ Tracking: Hardware Attestation acts as an immutable digital fingerprint.
3️⃣ Shadow Attacks: Zero-click exploits hit your Wi-Fi or Baseband before the OS can even react.
We are calling for #HardwareSovereignty. Inspired by the #OpenBSD philosophy, we demand:
✅ Open & replaceable firmware for ALL subsystems.
✅ User-controlled hardware toggles.
✅ Trust minimization that includes the manufacturer.
It's time to move from "Vendor-Enforced Security" to User Sovereign
... Show more...Hardened OSs like #GrapheneOS do a great job, but we have a major blind spot: The Hardware.
Modern phones are networks of dozens of "black box" computers (UFS, Baseband, Wi-Fi) running proprietary code we can't audit, disable, secure or replace.
Why this matters:
1️⃣ Persistence: Malware in your UFS/SSD controller survives a factory reset.
2️⃣ Tracking: Hardware Attestation acts as an immutable digital fingerprint.
3️⃣ Shadow Attacks: Zero-click exploits hit your Wi-Fi or Baseband before the OS can even react.
We are calling for #HardwareSovereignty. Inspired by the #OpenBSD philosophy, we demand:
✅ Open & replaceable firmware for ALL subsystems.
✅ User-controlled hardware toggles.
✅ Trust minimization that includes the manufacturer.
It's time to move from "Vendor-Enforced Security" to User Sovereignty.
Read the full Open Letter here: pastebin.com/RzRbzhwn
#HardwareSovereignty #Infosec #CyberSecurity #Privacy #OpenSource #TechFreedom
A Call for User-Centric Hardware Sovereignty - Pastebin.com
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