We have received a Copyright claim from Amazon for our @PeerTube instance videos.trom.tf/ . Hetzner, the hosting company where we have the dedicated server at, gave us 24h to resolve it.
The problem?
The video in question, a documentary about "aliens", a garbage piece of content, was NOT hosted on our instance, of course. But since Peertube is federated the idiots sent the claim to our hosting company. Even if UNDER the video you can see that video is "Posted By:" and the instance and username. It takes a few seconds to see where the video is hosted.
But who cares...maybe Amazon has "AI Agents" employed and they simply find a video of theirs on a URL and see the IP of that URL and submit a Copyright claim to the hosting where that domain is registered?!
Bunch of idiots.
But it is very concerning the fact that they can do these and we, the ones who host (and for free fo
... Show more...We have received a Copyright claim from Amazon for our @PeerTube instance videos.trom.tf/ . Hetzner, the hosting company where we have the dedicated server at, gave us 24h to resolve it.
The problem?
The video in question, a documentary about "aliens", a garbage piece of content, was NOT hosted on our instance, of course. But since Peertube is federated the idiots sent the claim to our hosting company. Even if UNDER the video you can see that video is "Posted By:" and the instance and username. It takes a few seconds to see where the video is hosted.
But who cares...maybe Amazon has "AI Agents" employed and they simply find a video of theirs on a URL and see the IP of that URL and submit a Copyright claim to the hosting where that domain is registered?!
Bunch of idiots.
But it is very concerning the fact that they can do these and we, the ones who host (and for free for that matter), need to quickly "fix" these things even if the claim has nothing to do with our server.
We eventually had to block that URL, thanks Peertube for allowing that, else these idiots cannot understand that it was not us who were hosting that video.
#peertube #fedi #fediverse
Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️
in reply to TROM • • •So first up, I am not a lawyer, even if I play one on TV. Seems to me though that even if you didn't post the video, that if your server is seeding it, then technically you, among others, *are* hosting it?
Surely in this case though you could comply just by defederating that particular piece of content / user?
It's interesting though that Amazon are recognizing Peertube content, even if just for copyright. That to me suggests they're keeping an eye on it, even if they likely don't consider it a major threat... yet.
#Peertube #Amazon #Copyright
TROM
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Strypey
in reply to Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️ • • •> if your server is seeding it, then technically you, among others, *are* hosting it?
I don't think that's how @peertube works. Remote videos are discoverable by searching on a PT service, but it's the viewer that's seeding them by watching (because WebTorrent), not the PT service providing the search results.
You're right that copyright lawyers and often judges haven't cared much about such nuances though, or we would have won the CopyWars.
@trom
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FinchHaven sfba
in reply to TROM • • •"The video in question, a documentary about "aliens", a garbage piece of content, was NOT hosted on our instance, of course"
As other have said (and may yet say) IANAL
*That said* there is a vast difference between "hosted on" and "served from"
Your instance may *not* be the sole source for that content, but if a video consumer *gets* it though you, guess what?
It doesn't matter what "makes sense"
This is law, and lawyer-speak
Good luck with it
cc @peertube@framapiaf.org
TROM
in reply to FinchHaven sfba • •FinchHaven sfba
in reply to TROM • • •What you "like" or "think should happen" is utterly irrelevant
And you clearly don't understand the usage of the word "Federated"
Which is super common around here
Being federated makes *every* federated instance the [a] source
There is no one single point source -- the sources are all federated into multi-point "sources"
TROM
in reply to FinchHaven sfba • •Maddad ☑️
in reply to TROM • • •@FinchHaven
That's a good analogy re the browser...👍
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jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ
in reply to Maddad ☑️ • • •@maddad
If a forum page embeds a YT video isn't it displaying just a link?
Anyway, if we become relevant they will drown us in lawsuits, not because their claims are reasonable but because we can't afford the lawyers to prove that.
That's how the justice system works.
I guess only #EFF could solve this by defending some cases to establish a rule of law.
@trom @FinchHaven
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Rokosun
in reply to FinchHaven sfba • • •The way Peertube federates is different from how Mastodon does its federation. As long as the video in question is not stored on your server and is just streamed from a different instance then that instance should be contacted for the removal - that's what any competent lawyer would do. But now what they've achieved is merely made us put up a curtain to hide the video from their view, a video that still exists on the original instance and free for anyone to watch.
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Strypey
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@FinchHaven
> And you clearly don't understand the usage of the word "Federated"
You probably intended this as a nonchalant segue into your next point (I've done this). But FYI it comes across as quite patronising and out of context. @trom is hosting a PeerTube server. Chances are they have a pretty good understanding of the range of things "federated" can mean in this context.
Strypey
in reply to Strypey • • •(2/2)
You're not wrong that a lawyer might see a search result as a 'source' for copyright purposes. This is exactly what they've done with TPB et al. But ...
@FinchHaven
> federated makes *every* federated instance the [a] source
On Mastodon et al, yes. Because text posts are automatically delivered in full to everyone following the account that posted it. But PeerTube doesn't work that way, it just sends a title and a link to followers (or the wasted storage and bandwidth would be extreme).
Birdhouse in Your [Redacted]
in reply to TROM • • •TROM
in reply to Birdhouse in Your [Redacted] • •panu
in reply to TROM • • •Well. I think this is analogous for holding torrent tracker owners liable for torrent content.
The contents of torrents tracked by a tracker never go even near the tracker. The tracker only helps leechers find seeders. But still, somehow, magically, the tracker owner is doing the copyright infringement.
@peertube
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me
in reply to TROM • • •Gossi the dog had a similar issue, but from a Microsoft linked company.
Reponse was to reply to the email saying we are launching at you hete on the internet. Because Microsoft don't understand how the internet works, then a link to the discussion thread.
Father Hardstone
in reply to TROM • • •Rokosun
in reply to Father Hardstone • • •@harib_murshidi
I'm guessing it was probably some conspiracy theorist nonsense about aliens, or else he wouldn't describe a documentary as garbage.
People watch documentaries to learn about something real and true, but if it's full of misinformation then it is not only a garbage film but also harmful to society.
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TROM
in reply to Father Hardstone • •Gondor
in reply to TROM • • •Despite any right or wrong. That's how power works. And the fediverse is not save from oligarchs and/or their power.
We should keep this in mind. And hopefully find a way to avoid such threats somehow.
No one/admin can risk any lawsuit were the other side is something like A.
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KeithWM
in reply to TROM • • •This story is dumb, but the first thing I saw on PeerTube cracked me up peertube.tv/w/cFBgusJfcLw6yUfE…
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Kolja
in reply to TROM • • •If Hetzner causes you issues DM me i am sure we can find an easy solution.
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