Because I saw a bunch of science "creators" making videos about this Project Hail Mary movie, and speaking positively about it, as if "hey they present some real science there", I decided to watch it.
I gave up watching movies years ago when I discovered....reality. Which is so much more fascinating, creative, complex, awesome. Documentaries were my new passion.
Anyway, I just watched 1h of it and I had to give up. What a nonsense of a thing. I thought I may have pirated an intentionally bad copy of the movie, one meant to trick the pirates haha.
I find it hard to believe that people watch hours of such silly and nonsensical content. What a waste.
Wanna see something scientific, thrilling, and exciting about an "alien encounter"? Here videoneat.com/documentaries/25…
Or watch the movie Contact videoneat.com/movies/21602/con…
Sure these fantasy things are subjective, but man'o'man what a silly movie. The production company must have paid some of these "science creators" to talk about it.
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Yeah that's what I hear as well. If you go into this expecting to watch a nerdy science movie you will be disappointed, once I got that it made more sense to me. People love this movie because it has a heart.
BTW, if you wanna know more about the science part then I recommend watching this video - youtube.com/watch?v=82t1aBvFdJ…
I realized that there is a lot more science to the story than the movie shows.
Rocky Is Weirder Than You Think (ft. Andy Weir!)
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in reply to Rokosun • •Well even if you add some science to the plot, you add so much nonsense: from how you misrepresent a space mission (that main character and everyone around him act like emotional idiots all the time) to the absolute nonsense of being able to "talk" to that "alien" and make jokes and all that. Beyond stupid. Try to do that with penguins first and let me know. There is no "realism" or science into that. Even the idea of those "astrophages" is a wild idea.
Anyway, this was the most silly thing I watched recently, and sometimes I also watch silly reddit videos haha.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •@sharif
I know it's a bit silly but that's fine, it's just a movie not an encyclopedia lol 😄 And to me this still feels miles ahead from those movies where people go to alien planets and not worry about the different atmospheres and such, or those movies with humanoid aliens like ET and Avatar - this story even got relativistic physics like time dilation and length contraction.
Rokosun
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Also I never felt like any of the characters were emotional idiots, there may be a bit of silliness and humor in the story but I think the emotions were done right.
This is a bit of a tangent but have you ever felt like humans would be better off if we didn't have any emotions?
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Oh c'mon the main character is like the 90s silly "science guy". I've seen this character a million times. It is boring already haha. Out of 8 billion humans this one was the most capable to go to a nearby star to understand wtf is happening there, and save the humans. Their "gatherings", jokes, silliness they were having to decide who to go and what is the plan, is like a Steven Seagall movie from the 80s.
Terrible movie. That is what I think.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •@sharif
Maybe it's not your cup of tea, that's okay. You never answered my tangent question tho.....
Tio
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Yeah I know it's a strange question but I've thought about how emotions influence us.... Obviously there are benefits to it like empathy and love which makes us care for each other and the world around us, but sometimes it can also be misleading or cause us to make bad decisions..... Emotions are a big part of why us humans enjoy art and creativity, stories, music, etc. It is certainly an interesting trait.....
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I personally liked the movie but yeah I expected there to be more science in it, and after hearing about the book it's based on there seem to be a lot more science in the story which are simply not shown in the movie. I heard that initially when they made it the movie was 4 hours long so they had to trim it down.
I will watch Contact and that documentary you shared above. I also recommend you watch The Expanse if you like good science based fiction, it's still one of the best.
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juliadream
in reply to Tio • • •They are doomed.. No wonder they listen to people like Trump and Farage and nod along like retards.. because they ARE retards.
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in reply to Tio • • •Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org
in reply to Tio • • •well, isn't it what you're doing here ? It's not called documentary right ? It's far worse to make a so called documentary that is actually full of inaccuracies and untold extrapolation for sensationalism (I know a bunch of them). Here you may say people are deceived. But if they can't make the difference between a movie and a lesson, well that's there problem and the education system's problem I guess, not the fracking movie.. What about people following random youtubers advice ? should we judge them too ?
Same as Rhysy, I work in radioastronomy and loved the movie, I didn't judge it like it was a scientific article, because it wasn't. There are some things I found not credible or not coherent, but it didn't ruin the overall pleasure of being told a story. Anyway, it's a fracking movie ! Go read the book, a very nice piece of scientific extrapolation, the description of a completely different alien life form is particularly well made.
Now some movies you like, some you don't, nothing new here. I also loved con
... Show more...well, isn't it what you're doing here ? It's not called documentary right ? It's far worse to make a so called documentary that is actually full of inaccuracies and untold extrapolation for sensationalism (I know a bunch of them). Here you may say people are deceived. But if they can't make the difference between a movie and a lesson, well that's there problem and the education system's problem I guess, not the fracking movie.. What about people following random youtubers advice ? should we judge them too ?
Same as Rhysy, I work in radioastronomy and loved the movie, I didn't judge it like it was a scientific article, because it wasn't. There are some things I found not credible or not coherent, but it didn't ruin the overall pleasure of being told a story. Anyway, it's a fracking movie ! Go read the book, a very nice piece of scientific extrapolation, the description of a completely different alien life form is particularly well made.
Now some movies you like, some you don't, nothing new here. I also loved contact, which is full of bullshit too by the way. If you ask my parents, the very subject of alien encounter is ridiculous, we all have a different level and different ways of suspending disbelief. I tend to think this does not automatically make us all retards..
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Tio
in reply to Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org • •This particular movie was advertised on "science channels", this is how I got to know about it. My expectation was that maybe it is at leas like The Martian. It was not. It was a bad comedy full of silly ideas and boring dialogues. And what bothers me most is that these nonsense things get so popular in our society, while reality is sidelined.
People indeed get their judgement from movies many times, which is sad.
At least in Contact scientists act like scientists, and the "alien" part is far more credible and scientific.
In this Mary movie, the "scientists" are portrayed as goofballs, emotional 90s space-dudes. This movie is as silly as that Armageddon one where they were taking guns in space.
Anyway, my point was that I am surprised people can sit and watch such nonsense for 2 and a half hours. And how different it seemed to me from what it was advertised.
Feel free to like it. I think it was garbage. :P
Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org
in reply to Tio • • •Well the martian also got a bunch of harsh critics on the scientific credibility. I hear your pain on increased silliness, I tend to share it but more on the story telling side, movies are just poorly made on average, because a high budget means lots of spectators needed so everything is made "average" which is artistically a catastrophy. That said, I found hail mary was rather a breath of fresh(er) air in a sea of mediocre spectacles. I mean for once it was a novel story, not a n-th episode of the mary-verse, but still based on existing and solid book material, that counts a lot, and they did not do a bad work at adaptation, which is a very hard exercise.
Anyway, there is no sense in convincing you it is actually good, but the funniest part of the movie is always the intense discussion when exiting the theater :P
Yeah I must say the goofballs style annoyed me at the beginning, then I played along. Also I can certify labs are full of goofballs, and worse (especially the not funny ones). On the alien part, read the book or just take a look at the wikipedia page, the des
... Show more...Well the martian also got a bunch of harsh critics on the scientific credibility. I hear your pain on increased silliness, I tend to share it but more on the story telling side, movies are just poorly made on average, because a high budget means lots of spectators needed so everything is made "average" which is artistically a catastrophy. That said, I found hail mary was rather a breath of fresh(er) air in a sea of mediocre spectacles. I mean for once it was a novel story, not a n-th episode of the mary-verse, but still based on existing and solid book material, that counts a lot, and they did not do a bad work at adaptation, which is a very hard exercise.
Anyway, there is no sense in convincing you it is actually good, but the funniest part of the movie is always the intense discussion when exiting the theater :P
Yeah I must say the goofballs style annoyed me at the beginning, then I played along. Also I can certify labs are full of goofballs, and worse (especially the not funny ones). On the alien part, read the book or just take a look at the wikipedia page, the description of the life form is really fascinating I find. Unfortunately they didn't took time to develop that in the movie, but that would have been quite complicated given the story line I guess, so emotion was prioritized.
To conclude and definitely disqualify my judgement : I just loved Armageddon :P
For frack sake I even loved independence day, that tells you how bad I like aliens..
And despite my liking, something that goes your way : I saw it in a cinema, the marketing campaign had been much intense. At the end of the movie, I thought "yay, they're doing alien invasion films again, I like it". And then I heard the audience applauding the stuff, like it was a great piece of art or something. That really punched me in the face, like all you need is bombarding people with propaganda... But as said, we were craving for SF movies at the time, that may explain part of it maybe.
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Rhysy
in reply to Tio • • •I also like really stupid movies ! The Core is probably one of my worst guilty pleasures...
I mean, it's fine to hate stupid movies, it really is. Not everyone has the same taste in fiction, and that's fine. But if the problem is somehow that "scientists aren't goofballs", then you haven't met many. I mean, I was literally just given a handful of space-themed chocolate for helping to pack up a cardboard radio telescope for public outreach. I've been paid NASA money to photograph a potato. I narrated an interpretative dance routine with exploding balloons full of glitter for our head of department's 65th birthday. Don't tell me real scientists are deeply serious people, because we're not.
I loved Contact also, but while it has sensible flux units and even knows what L-band is, it also features Jodie Foster literally plugging a pair of headphones into a radio telescope because that's supposedly a better way to find the signals. Utter nonsense. Is it still a good movie ? Of course !
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Tio
in reply to Rhysy • •By goofballs I meant the extreme silliness they projected through the main character who is supposed to be a scientist on a quest to save humanity, The exaggeration is cringey.
Sure Contact had some unscientific stuff in it, but man that movie at least triggered some wonder inside of you, and for sure showcased humans as being humans and not silly comedy actors. Ken in space :D
So yah idk in my view this movie was a total disaster and solidified my stance against movies in general.
Robert Biloute - on diaspora-fr.org
in reply to Tio • • •ow yes, the core !
The headphones are a perfect example : you know it's complete bullshit, still you would love it to be true, and the scene where she hears the sound is so working.
If the scene was picturing a Jodie Foster inverting a matrix to calibrate the instrument sensitivity, that definitely wouldn't be the same (I mean I would shiver but I'm a matrix fetichist)
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