It's either very funny or very depressing to watch executives trip over themselves to prove who has the worst understanding of what software development actually entails.
More classically for software engineering, per Fred Brooks (1975): "one woman can produce a baby in nine months but nine women cannot produce a baby in one month".
The #FDroid website has a new banner on top to remind visitors that #Google did not change course and #Android will be locked-down in under 200 days.
If you care about the freedom to control your devices and care about the privacy of you data, please contact your representative and make your voice heard.
Jep. And to my understanding this is officially a crime in an area where law already exists. I’m no lawyer. But I’m quite confident the case will come to court. I’m very much struggling with the idea that our politicians do not know what happens.
That's actually seriously unhelpful. Cool though. I'll just focus on helping anyone that wants install lineage or something. Screaming directly into a trash can is pointless anyway but if there was actually something I could say that would like suggest a step to take or law that's being broken or something I might have bothered. Clearly there's just bitching about how shit's being ruined and they don't give a shit.
I agree. So – as I said – waiting for politics may be much as waiting for godot. I would like to have an operating system for my current – and any other – smartphone to be easy installed via otg stick. Like any other computer. A lot of this is already in place. And frankly spoken I don’t think that 95% of the current users care if they can use F-Droid or not. I like F-Droid. But sadly it is elitist currently and not mainstream.
@alandvalonline I also wish for this. Linux drivers for legacy phone hardware, a Chromebook level of simplicity for installing or running variant UX's, maybe from a removable card or USB stick... A secure OS like Tails... Siloed apps... I don't want corporate access to any data. ..
google is an integral part of the security/surveillance state. they're not susceptible to public opinion. hopefully the tech crowd will continue to develop alternatives.
@Alonely0 @tehstu @cy8aer Note that Obtainium, Aurora and other app stores will have the same issues on 99.9999% of devices if Google goes ahead. Regarding "secure", do read f-droid.org/docs/Inclusion_How… too.
This page documents how a new application gets included in the main F-Droid repository. It includes the technical details that a submitter should be aware of...
@tehstu @cy8aer yeah, it's a technical discussion, sorry I assumed more than I should have (it's an xkcd 2501 situation, look it up lol). However, I have to say that relying on GitHub releases is not that bad of a deal with an app store like Obtainium, which streamlines app updates. It's actually a quite secure model since it comes as straight from the developer as it possibly can.
@tehstu @Alonely0 @cy8aer even with sideloading, apk's needs to be installed using adb. using normal user interface enforces google's totalitarianism .... control.
Got a quick answer from EU's DMA Team, they might have a standard response due to high demand :
> Dear citizen, > > Thank you for contacting us and sharing your concerns regarding the impact of Google’s plans to introduce a developer verification process on Android. We appreciate that you have chosen to contact us, as we welcome feedback from interested parties. ... 1/N
> As you may be aware, the Digital Markets Act (‘DMA’) obliges gatekeepers like Google to effectively allow the distribution of apps on their operating system through third party app stores or the web. At the same time, the DMA also permits Google to introduce strictly necessary and proportionate measures to ensure that third-party software apps or app stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system or to enable end users to effectively protect security. ... 2/3
> We have taken note of your concerns and, while we cannot comment on ongoing dialogue with gatekeepers, these considerations will form part of our assessment of the justifications for the verification process provided by Google. > > Kind regards, > The DMA Team ... 3/3
Yes, standard text. Maybe we should encourage people to mention that not being able to install software on a device can't be a necessary and proportionate measure to begin with.
I still have problems to understand what happens with apps like those of fossify, or DuckDuckGo for example, that i downloaded and maintain over F-Droid, but that are also available on Playstore and thus should be under the "verified" category.
These should still work but not the F-Droid Store App itself so i need to update via a website manually???
I am not an IT person. I genuelly have problems understanding this, despite having read the infos i found so far.
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I had hoped that if Apps and their developers took it on them to do the verification shit, loading and maintaining at least such apps from other places than PlayStore would be possible in Android.
The users are trapped: Banking Apps and some others don' t work with Custom Roms. Open Source from free places will no longer work on G-Android.
The only solution is havingntwo devices which is expensive af.
My phone runs Android, my parents' too. Google is going to prevent us from installing what we want on devices where we had been able to until now. Devices that we bought and that will still be perfectly functioning 5 years from now. Hence why this is a fight worth fighting. @fdroidorg @marcprux
@TTFKA_Tay0 To be fair, they are not alternatives, they use the same code, and are at the mercy of Google when it comes to releasing such code. Otherwise, once installed, Lineage and other Android distributions can give the freedom back to their users to install what they want.
Si china puede hacer un clon de Android, ¿Acaso no puede hacerlo Europa? ¿Para cuando un Linux para dispositivos móviles? ¿hasta cuando seguiremos siendo vasallos de las multinacionales norteamericanas? ¿Para cuando nuestra delcaración de Soberania Digital?
¡Sin Soberania Digital no hay libertad, independencia ni democrácia!
@Alonely0 @cy8aer Older apps were added when reproducibility wasn't achievable. For this reason today only about 22% of apps that we host are signed by their developer. This number will increase with time as we push for reproducibility at inclusion time. Also, switching from one signer to another is an annoying process that users need to take manually, for security reasons.
Per https://f-droid.org/en/docs/Inclusion_Policy/ The software must not download additional executable binary files (e.g. addons, auto-updates, etc.) without explicit user consent....
@apicultor If you have questions why not drop by and ask directly? f-droid.org/about/#contact Posts from 2021 and half-truths on forums won't give you the information you need.
F-Droid is the FOSS app distribution ecosystem for Android where your user freedom comes first. Discover our app store to explore the world of free and open source (FOSS) apps and [learn](https://f-droid.
We don't have representatives, we live in capitalism. All those elected to run government represent multinational industries and their federation, banks and financial institutions. We are their enemy, they are not going to listen.
Does anyone know how this affects phones that already have F-Droid and apps from there installed?
Will some Android/Google Update make them stop working all of a sudden? Or not let me update them anymore? Or will this affect only future Android versions?
How does it affect degoogled Android? Will F-Droid Work on Custom ROMs? Will someone tech-savvy still be able to degoogle android and make F-Droid work? Will it be possible to flash an existing android with a custom ROM?
Or: Do I need to buy a phone with a custom ROM preinstalled? Will someone else fork AOSP and save it for custom ROMs?
So many questions. I hate the direction Google is heading to. Which Chance do have surveillance conscious people to get out of it?
its a good thing actually as the main thing it affects is intimate partner violence stalking and really low hanging fruit malware. you can literally still sideload, you just cant distribute apks anonymously. you can still modify a phone to remove the restriction, just not without the owner noticing, which is the actual point. this is completely out of touch with the reality of the android malware ecosystem, the harm it causes and why they are actually doing this.
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@techlore techlore you are so handsome and smart, how can we contact representatives in Europe? Is there another action other than sending emails? I feel I am putting a target on me for sending emails to politicians. If the email ever goes through because tuta or proton are banned by some.
I live in China. We don't have representatives to contact. Even Google doesn't provide service to users here directly. Please do NOT show the useless header to users from China. I love F-Droid and FOSS in general but the header would be useless and annoying.
i just want big brother not watching everyone's every move, holy hell. i only use ggle services because of how popular they are, while minimizing what ggle i use
@Framasoft est- ce que çà concerne uniquement l'Os Android "Google"? Ou est-ce que ce sera valable pour toures les version Android " degoogleisées" comme lineageOs ou /e/os par exemple ?
@Fynn Android has lost its appeal to me as a target for development. I also may order a Jolla Phone at home point, but I need to be sure that my banking apps work with it.
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@Alonely0 @cy8aer Since you brought up the signature model, Google Play requires devs keep the signing keys with them, F-Droid just offers it as an option. F-Droid offers using only the upstream signature if the app is reproducible. f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_…
Also, how the APK signing keys are managed has nothing to do with Android Developer Verification or Keep Android Open.
Introduction F-Droid works to spread reproducible builds across the free software Android ecosystem. The goal is to enable software build processes that anyo...
@cy8aer please reach out to them, we're all in this fight together to keep Android open, including the AOSP source code, device trees, etc. Google is grabbing all the power it can these days, given all the anti-trust enforcement against them these days. The competition lawyers are in charge there now.
@zetabeta I'm optimistic because competition authorities around the world are paying close attention and trying a wide range of strategies to open up the mobile ecosystems.
This is the reason why i removed some of my apps from Play Store and i only develop with frameworks that allow creating apps that work with linux-first phones like Pinephone
I believe it's essential to defend our freedom and privacy on Android. It's concerning to see how options for users are being restricted. We all deserve control over our devices and protection of our data. Supporting initiatives like this is an important step toward a more open future.
Yes, standard text. Maybe we should encourage people to mention that not being able to install software on a device can't be a necessary and proportionate measure to begin with.
@fdroidorg @marcprux I've really appreciated F-Droid lately. I'm setting up a new Lenovo Tab3 running 5.0.1 - 99% of my apps have been sideloaded APKs. Google doesn't support it, so no updates but they don't keep trying to "improve" my experience either.
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@fisk @liquidparasyte Maybe we were lost in translation? Google did not back down, they appear to double down and continue on track... The "advanced flow" was never shown to anyone, also even if that will exist it will not be by September 2026 but at a later unannounced date.
What @crazyeddie is trying to say: standing up for openness, freedom, and the right to choose your own tools only makes sense in a society where openness, freedom, rights or even rational discourse still have any meaning at all. The US is probably no longer such a society.
something for the @EUCommission. I'd be surprised if this did not violate the DSA/DMA. Can we maybe get a _quick_ solution, not some hardly sufficient fines which will only get paid after years in the courts while the harm continues?
Hi Hello what it means : « Clippy would never block your application freedom and claim it's to protect you from malware. » at the end of the petition ?
No one *wanted* to see what Google was up to. I.e. autoredirects in G Maps, Youtube playback failures were ramped up to unusability. This is no surprise.
Who actually didn‘t see that was already living inside G-defined boundaries, i.E. having a G account, using Youtube via G-controlled browser, using Maps via G app, …
Remains a mystery to me why people use a OS/browser made by the major advertising predator, known mainly for working against humans.
Thanks for sharing the guidance. I've written to UK and EU Govs with my arguments.✊🏼 My device is a bit old to install a libre OS alternative without complicated steps. I have yet managed to remove Google services with ADB, and I strongly rely on Aurora and F-Droid to install apps I need. This act would be a hard hit.
Do I understand correctly, that Google free Android is not directly affected by this policy?
But the majority of the userbase is affected, so an app developer would loose nearly the complete userbase and this would result in many developers giving up, destroying the app market.
And this in turn will affect Google free Android.
Please elaborate, if I misunderstood!
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At this point it would be crazy to develop any Free/Libre application for Android. Don't care what Google says tomorrow, we can NOT trust Big Tech. We need to be in control of our computing resources, both at software and hardware level. PS: @EUCommission please take note. #Google #Android #Freedom #GNU
I hate to disagree here, but as an admin who deals with *many* users with phones in the wild, this is a *good* move by Google. They're *NOT* stopping you from side-loading apps. They're doing the same thing banks have started doing when people try to withdraw cash -- verifying that you're not being coached or hacked and that you *REALLY* want to do what you said. This is annoying to a very small subset of people, and *VERY* useful to a larger group. #Android #security #scams
Our Friendica is struggling. We get a lot of 502 Bad Gateway (nginx). CPU is at 100% all the time eaten by Friendica. This has happened after the update to the latest Friendica stable. It seems that there are many processes happening in the database.
The post-user table has 64,135,238 rows...I suspect this is an issue. I am not sure if Friendica is reindexing or doing something now after the update...
Hey if anyone is interested we setup instances for Mastodon, Pixelfed, Friendica, Peertube, Nextcloud and more, See - webape.site/
We do so for a cost so we can afford to also make the many trade-free services and projects we have. See tromsite.com/
If you are interested or may want to help, you can also share this. We setup a separate VPS for each instance and provide updates, support, or custom requests as much as we can, for each instance. Plus an email server for each of them.
With a Pixel 6a. You can see Jupiter in the top center, that bright light. You can also spot the Orion belt right lower side. And left lower side that bright light is Sirus. Lastly see if you can spot Betelgeuse :)
I do talking to myself in a mic. I will either talk myself to sleep or feel refreshed, and get up.
Some of these I uploaded, but defo, defo not all. Although there prob are those who like to hear me snorlax, it seems a little.. crossing borders. For strangers.
Suddenly all that retro "obsolete" hardware isn't so niche and worthless. I have a stack of old laptops to cannibalize - enough to last a Linux lifetime.
Phase 1: force AI adoption by removing other options to not use it
Phase 2: make computing unaffordable for the masses by buying up all stock of components, driving up demand while building datacenters.
Phase 3: further increase demand for and adoption of your cloud computing/AI datacenter by making people reliant on crappy cloud PCs/PCaaS devices with little horsepower to do much else
Phase 4: use telemetry/spyware in said datacenters to surveil/harvest data from every user of said cloud PCs and use it to serve hyper-targeted ads (everyone knows people love hyper-targeted ads) and send drone fleets to respond to/harass dissenters domestic terrorists
@tomcat back when I was a child, like in the 90s I had this idea of the future but not so orwellian. I imagined that most homes would eventually have a big powerful computer in a cliset/basement/attic and then have several like dumb terminals around that accessed that data. So like you have all the music you like on the central computer then you go in the kitchen and tell the kitchen terminal to play your favorite song.
Kinda like self-hosting but with basic input, screen, audio only
To clarify: I am saying this is what they want. Not that it is inevitable. But it's difficult to ignore the clear pattern of strategic decisions by these companies since the dawn of "services" until this benighted age.
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I regret having delayed upgrading my old 4x2TB NAS array, because I didn't want to spend that much money on HDDs. Seems like everywhere is limited to 2 drives per account where I am.
May need to get a hotswap enclosure and pick out all my old 0.5TB drives for less frequently used stuff.
I hope this will help break the mental cycle that mandates the necessity of having to buy new stuff regularly instead of using what's already there up to its actual lifetime. That way, this would in the long term hurt companies who's business model relies on creating artificial demand instead of providing actually necessary products and services.
whaddya suppose they're gonna do when all those drives get old in a few years? Dump them in the ocean? Nope, they will go in big crates and get wrapped in saran wrap and sold in lots of 1000, to guys in industrial suburbs who will uncrate and sell them for thirty bucks each.
"Not good enough for AI, but good enough for you!"
The moment Samsung or Hitachi start selling 10-petabyte drives,all those little terabyte SSDs will suddenly be worth fuckshit except to normal users.
i remember the days when guys would hand-edit the bad block tables on Seagate ST-225s and sell them for $100 because new ones were still $300 and nobody could afford ST-4096s. A whole cottage industry sprang up around keeping 225s around. A whole 20 meg 40 years ago. 20 meg was actually large enough for Windows 1.02 or Digital Research GEM or just fuckin' DOS and Multimate or WordStar.
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most people have already done this, now they are just pushing away the few who are left. most tech companies dont care, phones and cloud subscriptions are more profitable anyway.
i genuinely think most tech companies would like to completely eliminate personal computers, and they have mostly succeeded. they make much more money if people buy phones that cost as much as computers and then pay a subscription for someone else to do their computing.
I don't believe in this take, and I'm especially not a big fan of the conspiratorial language you're using to describe it. How does a large spike in demand for a monopolized industry give any indication that the goal is to move users over to cloud computing? What makes this different from the pandemic shortage, or the 2011 Japan earthquake? From my perspective, this takes away from a lot of the closer, very concrete problems AI is causing right now.
well there is always a majority of stupid people around to promote these and they are always the loudest, specially ones working in tech. But don't worry they will still tell you buy a insanely overpriced, criminally under speced mac book to access this billionaire bullshit.
We talk about #HolosSocial forgetting some of you might not know this project. #Holos is a full ActivityPub server running on your device. Currently on Android, next on iOS. We already introduced #E2EE DMs and #ActivityPub identity through custom domains. You own your followers, your keys, and your identity. Relays are just infrastructure. On the footer of holos.social we added pages explaining the project. Have a look!
@rainer Yes, the app supports scheduled backups via S3 or WebDAV, so your data stays safe even if your device is lost or stolen. We'll also be adding an optional passphrase for encrypted backups soon. @HolosSocial
@hosford42 Yes, those are the time-to-live values on the relay. If the app hasn't confirmed reception within that period, the activity is dropped. Once the app confirms reception, the activity is immediately deleted from the relay. These values can be changed by the relay admin and are always displayed on the relay's about page. @HolosSocial
@iMeddles For now it's single device, but we're working on multi-device support. Our approach is to handle sync through the relay rather than backups. Each phone would run its own server independently and receive activities from the relay, which could also store lightweight sync data like read positions. @apps
Sorry to ping you here but I tried reaching you on the Matrix (actually registered to do that!) but when I try to /join #fedilab_apps:matrix.org, it always fails. The only thing it suggests is to knock, which I did days ago.
Does this room still exist? How do I join? I have a number of questions, specifically about Holos, but I doubt pinging you here with each of them is the right way if there's a whole community room to ask around.
This is a long video but I wanted to compare in detail how is living in a motorhome comparing with renting or owning a place. From costs to lifestyle: comfort, resources, toilet, space, etc.. The focus is on Spain since this is where I lived for the past many years.
PALO ALTO, CA—Hailing the new product as a “game changer” in the development of large language models, Silicon Valley insiders confirmed Tuesday that an AI chatbot that only responds “huh” had been valued at $200 billion.
> Having a whole team of experts who exclusively say ‘huh’ right in your pocket isn’t just science fiction anymore, and if you don’t incorporate HmmAI into your company’s workflow right now, you’re going to be left behind.
This is extremely disappointing. This project had a lot more respect for the users of the Fediverse than anything I had seen before while trying to tackle a genuine problem.
The truly disappointing part is similar things with less respect happen all the time and no one gets angry because they aren't being transparent.
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
It's saddening that users (well, *one* user if I counted correctly) are ok with Google and OpenAI harvesting their stuff but not a thoughtfully and respectfully designed project.
@rompe We actually received links to heated discussions about the project beyond what was visible here. It was taking a dimension we didn't anticipate. We preferred to shut it down rather than let it escalate further.
thank you for trying! As a community I feel we're going to have to figure this out eventually :( I hope you manage to find an alternative acceptable way to solve the problem somehow.
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I'm sad that it got shutdown before it even had a chance to work for its intended purpose.
Also keep in mind that social media discussions and comments will always have a bias towards the loud and angry voices, no one will make a post saying "You know that HolosDiscover project, I don't really mind it because they respect my settings". It is similar to the survivorship bias if you're familiar with that, your data points are incomplete.
@tragivictoria I'm trying to figure out what the objections really were. That stuff people post publically to fediverse servers was indexed? i can see robotic scraping of servers being problematic for instance owners, but how much privacy can we really expect in fediverse posts? its small and niche, it feels like a safe corner of a clubhouse, but its the internet, we need to remind our users that stuff isnt confidential and even that "disappearing" posts is only really cosmetic.
@Bredroll @tragivictoria You're right, but since the indexable flag is enabled by default on most instances, it was more opt-out than opt-in. That said, it doesn't stop real scrapers like Google from displaying posts for days even after deletion. We thought we were offering a clean solution with instant deletion via ActivityPub, but we quickly realized many users weren't aware of their own default settings. That's a conversation the Fediverse still needs to have.
This is sad because from everything I read you really tried to do it right.
And I say this from the perspective of a person who would NOT have allowed to be in the index. Still some people are just around for destruction. This is why we cannot have nice things.
@Fedilab Apps That reminds me - is there a FEP that extends the permissions system to make it granular per site? That would have solved one of the main concerns of people with your index (wanting to be searchable, but also wanting to limit which databases have the permission to index them and being able to revoke that permission retroactively)
Not sure if I see this as good or bad. My 2 cents: You might be the only one who is respecting any flag at the fediverse. I'm pretty sure big tech is scraping everything they can get from the fediverse.
From what I can see, you seem to be very aware of feedback and respectful towards user preferences, so here's my word of support. Even if your offered solutions sometimes do not persist, your heart is in the right place.
I found it because it quotes me from another publication without so much as hyperlinking the original. Articles on Medium, LinkedIn posts, news and features, everything is AI-generated now. I have stopped visiting these sites.
You truly realize the extend of the problem when you look for articles mentioning yourself or your projects. We develop a Linux distribution called TROMjaro and these days most of the articles we come across mentioning our project is AI generated, sometimes a differently phrased rewrite of previous articles.
Some of you noticed that @HolosDiscover is following you. It's a Fediverse search engine we built to solve a problem: when you start your own server with #Holos, your index is empty. #HolosDiscover provides a ready-to-use content catalog for everyone. Only public posts from consenting users are indexed. Deletions and edits are reflected in real-time through ActivityPub activities.
A privacy-respecting Fediverse search engine built on ActivityPub federation. Only indexes public posts from consenting users (indexable=true). No scraping, no API crawling, just standard federation.
@FinchHaven Totally understood. Blocking is one of the supported opt-out methods. Your content has been removed from our index and you won't be contacted again.
Unlike crawlers, we are fully transparent and respect multiple consent signals before indexing anything. We also explain on our "How it works" page how to stop indexation depending on your Fediverse software. But keep in mind that these settings only work with services that respect them, crawlers simply ignore them.
"Unlike crawlers, we are fully transparent and respect multiple consent signals before indexing anything.
We also explain on our "How it works" page how to stop indexation depending on your Fediverse software."
But here's the core point:
"Your content has been removed from our index and you won't be contacted again."
So you've --> already <-- "scraped my content" without my knowledge or permission and only because -- somehow -- I've managed to be aware of your project at all, am I able to defend myself against being scraped by your bot
Anyone who has never heard of you is by definition defenseless against what you're doing
Every single bright-eyed young coder who has done exactly the same thing -- scraping Mastodon content -- has exactly the same answer since I first got on in very early November 2022
"Oh... you found out we've scraped your data... OK... we'll delete it. And maybe we won't do it again."
Point is, people are sick of that shit and always have been
@FinchHaven We don't scrape. We send a standard ActivityPub Follow, visible in your followers list like any other account. The "indexable" setting exists precisely for this use case.
With indexable enabled, Google already indexes your public posts and keeps deleted content cached for days. We remove everything instantly via ActivityPub.
We're not a crawler. We're a federation participant playing by the rules. @fediversereport
A privacy-respecting Fediverse search engine built on ActivityPub federation. Only indexes public posts from consenting users (indexable=true). No scraping, no API crawling, just standard federation.
I don't know if you know this already, but if you have the "indexable" option enabled in your Mastodon account then your posts will be indexed by every single server you federate with and will appear in their search results. So if you are worried about scrapping/indexing of your posts that setting should be turned off.
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@OctaviaConAmore It's consent-based. We only follow accounts that have "indexable" enabled, are not locked, and don't have #nobot in their bio. If any of these conditions isn't met, we won't follow or index anything. Only public posts are indexed. @fediversereport
@OctaviaConAmore You're right that "indexable" is enabled by default on many instances, and we understand the concern. But this setting already has consequences beyond us: with indexable enabled, search engines like Google can index your public posts and may keep them cached for days or weeks even after deletion.
With Holos Discover, deletions and edits are reflected instantly through ActivityPub activities. And we're visible as a follower you can block at any time. @fediversereport
@OctaviaConAmore You're right, we don't hide it. The "indexable" setting is enabled by default on most instances, which makes it de facto opt-out. We wish it weren't the default, but that's an instance-level decision, not ours.
Being 100% ActivityPub means we detect any profile change instantly. If indexable is turned off, everything is removed immediately. That's the advantage of being fully ActivityPub-native: we follow the decisions made by Fediverse developers.
@HolosDiscover@discover.holos.social It's not "opt-in" to assume that everyone who has allowed indexing is opting in to your specific scraper.This is unacceptable.
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
Holos is a very nice project, congratulations. Note that wrt Holos-Discover, the "How it works" does not explain the search mechanism, and the repo link gives a 404.
Regarding Holos-App the docs mention that it implements a "full ActivityPub server", but it is unclear whether you mean "a full server" (S2S) or the "ActivityPub conformant Federated Server" specification profile, which in a quick peek is not what Holos-App is.. looks like?
We heard you. #HolosDiscover has been shut down, all indexed data deleted, and the source code removed. We apologize for the misunderstanding. Our approach was built with the deepest respect for user consent, but we understand it could rightfully be seen as misusing the indexable flag that many users didn't consciously enable. This highlighted a real conversation the Fediverse needs about default settings. Thank you for the feedback.
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in reply to Sabrina Web 📎 • • •No, no. They don't know anything. We're not seeing true consciousness here, just an (admittedly surprisingly convincing) example of mimicry.
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