This is from my book Rethinking Education from 2013 :) - I guessed the future quite well:
I could not foresee the many negative impacts of this "AI", but I was trying to see how these tools could help us rethink education in a saner society. The capabilities of these technologies are quite here, quite now. The incentive and hype is bad.
You know I always used to scoff at SciFi movies in the past when they showed an AI that could understand human language and respond accordingly, because nothing even close to that existed at the time. Guess I was wrong after all....
Here's something new that I learned. In Spain, and likely everywhere else:
You get sick, say you bleed abundantly from a surgery that went wrong, and you have to stay in ER for a day to have you fixed. You lose a lot of blood and need to stay at home for a few days because you cannot work.
So: stress, trauma, money spent to go to the hospital, others helping you, etc..
The hospital gives you medical leave, as is normal.
Great? No.
Guess what?
First few days you do not get paid from work. The next weeks you get 65% of the salary.
So you are fucked health wise and in this system apparently is normal to not even get paid from your job...I mean you can't fucking work even if you want to, and you can't even get any help.
I cannot work because I bleed... Oh..ok no problem here medical leave. Thanks. Oh wait and I also lose money because I lose blood? Yah...if you don't work, you cannot get paid... But...but I cannot work for a few days...I need help... Yah. Well. That is the law. Take care!
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Here's something new that I learned. In Spain, and likely everywhere else:
You get sick, say you bleed abundantly from a surgery that went wrong, and you have to stay in ER for a day to have you fixed. You lose a lot of blood and need to stay at home for a few days because you cannot work.
So: stress, trauma, money spent to go to the hospital, others helping you, etc..
The hospital gives you medical leave, as is normal.
Great? No.
Guess what?
First few days you do not get paid from work. The next weeks you get 65% of the salary.
So you are fucked health wise and in this system apparently is normal to not even get paid from your job...I mean you can't fucking work even if you want to, and you can't even get any help.
I cannot work because I bleed... Oh..ok no problem here medical leave. Thanks. Oh wait and I also lose money because I lose blood? Yah...if you don't work, you cannot get paid... But...but I cannot work for a few days...I need help... Yah. Well. That is the law. Take care!
If this does not sound insane to you, you have a serious problem. You are part of the problem actually.
INSANE!
This Trade-Based Society is just that: Trade. All else does not matter. People's lives are measured in trading hours.
Go to sleep humans, you are nowhere near an intelligent society. You are the most primitive dominant form of life on any planet probably.
Now consider the fact that most countries don't even have free healthcare so you lose a lot of money for paying hospital bills too. We humans really are a dumb species..... We take care of each other we say, but only if it makes a profit it seems.....
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Perhaps instead of #ageverfication nonsense, those who want to protect the children should look at why these platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Youtube and the like are "bad" for them and everyone else.
Here's why:
They are TRADING PLATFORMS. Not video hosting platforms, not social networks. NO. People have to trade their attention (watch ads), data, or currency to use these platforms who make over 90% or more of their profits from these trades. Is like calling a Mall a Social Gathering Event Hall. It is not!
At least they should force these platforms to be renamed/re-labeled.
And you know what else? The harm/addiction of these platforms is not solely their incentive to make people trade more (more ads, more data trading, etc.) to keep them on the platforms is the fact that in this society pretty much everyone has a shitty meaningless life. If people were to be taken care of, and not have to trade all of their lives in a boring and stupid job, with them being worth only when they consum
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Perhaps instead of #ageverfication nonsense, those who want to protect the children should look at why these platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Youtube and the like are "bad" for them and everyone else.
Here's why:
They are TRADING PLATFORMS. Not video hosting platforms, not social networks. NO. People have to trade their attention (watch ads), data, or currency to use these platforms who make over 90% or more of their profits from these trades. Is like calling a Mall a Social Gathering Event Hall. It is not!
At least they should force these platforms to be renamed/re-labeled.
And you know what else? The harm/addiction of these platforms is not solely their incentive to make people trade more (more ads, more data trading, etc.) to keep them on the platforms is the fact that in this society pretty much everyone has a shitty meaningless life. If people were to be taken care of, and not have to trade all of their lives in a boring and stupid job, with them being worth only when they consume, then smarter and relaxed humans would give 0 fucks about these platforms.
When you are out and about, with friends, are not stressed about how to pay for your life, then why do you give much of a shit to post and scroll on these silly platforms?
How come I do not give a flying fuck about these platforms and what people post on them? Because I am busy with more relevant shit!
SO.
Wanna change something?
REPLACE.
Replace these trading platforms with trade-free ones like Friendica, Peertube and the like. If you are a government, support them!
Replace the meaningless life of most people with meaningful ones. Give people their basic needs as trade-free. Via an UBI or trade-free basic services. This way you don't even have to support those trade-free platforms. People will! The same people who do it now, but who also have to struggle to have a day job in order to keep their work on these platforms going. Imagine having millions of people able to get involved and change this world!
Free people from the Trade-Society!
This way you don't even have to fight with these big corporations. Let them fade out! Let them die.
I did not have pain, or much at all, for the past 1-2 weeks. I have no clue why, but wow life feels damn different. I will continue my medical investigations into this but the body can be such a mystery even now when we have so much technology and knowledge.
But well. Fantastic.
Soon I will meet with the most fantastic friends on Earth to see the eclipse on the 12th of August. I am focusing on organizing that. I want to make sure we can see it through my telescope, but we can also record it. This week am doing more tests. The Sun will be super low for the eclipse - 20:30 Madrid time is the full eclipse. And 21:00 is the sunset. We may miss it if we are not at the right location...
I am also focusing on promoting our latest TROM Article: Culture Cancer tromsite.com/2026/07/culture-c… on the fediverse. Maybe I will make a video about it soon, to discuss it.
I am also trying to work on new articles.
Worked on TROMjaro these days, and I would wa
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I did not have pain, or much at all, for the past 1-2 weeks. I have no clue why, but wow life feels damn different. I will continue my medical investigations into this but the body can be such a mystery even now when we have so much technology and knowledge.
But well. Fantastic.
Soon I will meet with the most fantastic friends on Earth to see the eclipse on the 12th of August. I am focusing on organizing that. I want to make sure we can see it through my telescope, but we can also record it. This week am doing more tests. The Sun will be super low for the eclipse - 20:30 Madrid time is the full eclipse. And 21:00 is the sunset. We may miss it if we are not at the right location...
I am also focusing on promoting our latest TROM Article: Culture Cancer tromsite.com/2026/07/culture-c… on the fediverse. Maybe I will make a video about it soon, to discuss it.
I am also trying to work on new articles.
Worked on TROMjaro these days, and I would want to bring back TROMnews....because I miss that website a lot.
A lot to do, and doing these since 2007 or so. But is really hard...
Unfortunately I am doing really bad financially. No new supporters for the past month or so... tromsite.com/donate/ I have to pay for the servers, for food, for life...
The world is a stream of shit, especially online. When it takes me months to release an in-depth article about an important topic...is hard to make anyone even remember about you and your projects...
But well I am the living proof, alongside people like me, that this Trade Society is Hell on Earth and it does not matter if you do good things that hundreds or thousands of people value, or objectively your stuff is scientific and educational regardless of reach; does not matter if you try to be a good human being. You have NO VALUE in the Trade Society. You know who has value: those who trade. Sell, buy, market, compete, have a job, make money, collect data, etc..
At least that makes me feel better knowing that I am part of a lifelong experiment to prove how this Trade Society is indeed a Primitive and Harmful society.
Really great small documentary done by @Dima ! Imagine that this is done by just 1 guy. All of the filming, editing, everything. So impressive that it makes it incompatible with our Trade Based Society since he will have to stop doing these long form videos because he cannot sustain this.
Imagine that...
Someone like Dima cannot continue to volunteer and do these important videos because he gets no support from this society. This is why we cannot have a saner world. This society is not built for humans, for us to be relaxed and taken care of, so we can do important stuff. No, this society is built for humans to be machines who create a lot of stuff. Sell, buy, consume. Trade.
At least my example with TROM and my struggles, and Dima's example, are a direct pr
Really great small documentary done by @Dima ! Imagine that this is done by just 1 guy. All of the filming, editing, everything. So impressive that it makes it incompatible with our Trade Based Society since he will have to stop doing these long form videos because he cannot sustain this.
Imagine that...
Someone like Dima cannot continue to volunteer and do these important videos because he gets no support from this society. This is why we cannot have a saner world. This society is not built for humans, for us to be relaxed and taken care of, so we can do important stuff. No, this society is built for humans to be machines who create a lot of stuff. Sell, buy, consume. Trade.
At least my example with TROM and my struggles, and Dima's example, are a direct proof that this society is a primitive one.
Kudos to you Dima for doing this for so long and I look forward to the next remaining episodes. Maybe a miracle will happen and you can get some support to continue!
Inside the Dangerous Mission Saving Griffon Vultures
I joined Griffon Vultures conservation expedition in Serbia. Together with Bord Of Prey Conservation Foundation we went to the largest Griffon Vulture colony which is located in Uvac Nature Reserve.
Google is an Ad Company. So their incentive will always be to serve you ads, collect data. You are their customer. They do not simply make these tools to help you, and make it easier and more reliable to search for stuff. Ask yourself how will Google, and others, make money off of these "AI" tools now? It will be even more deceiving and sneaky.
In a sane society (not trade-based) these tools would be tested a lot. For accuracy, for what the outcome can be if billions of people use them, etc.. Did Google do that? I doubt.
If Google removes the search results and replaces it all with "AI" summaries and explanations, two things happen: Complete reliance on the biggest Ad Company for answering your search queries. And second, people will further drift apart from understanding that trust was a key factor in knowing if a source is valid or not. Like where is the info coming from. Now it will simply come from the AI God. Blackhole.
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Ok. Here are the issues:
Google is an Ad Company. So their incentive will always be to serve you ads, collect data. You are their customer. They do not simply make these tools to help you, and make it easier and more reliable to search for stuff. Ask yourself how will Google, and others, make money off of these "AI" tools now? It will be even more deceiving and sneaky.
In a sane society (not trade-based) these tools would be tested a lot. For accuracy, for what the outcome can be if billions of people use them, etc.. Did Google do that? I doubt.
If Google removes the search results and replaces it all with "AI" summaries and explanations, two things happen: Complete reliance on the biggest Ad Company for answering your search queries. And second, people will further drift apart from understanding that trust was a key factor in knowing if a source is valid or not. Like where is the info coming from. Now it will simply come from the AI God. Blackhole.
In theory to have access to a faster and more reliable way of finding information is a must in a world that is saturated with information. BUT the way it is done now it will make rich people richer, and the consumers more "consuming".
It is simply a normal evolution of a trade-based society. As it is in the offline, it is in the online too.
Google is transforming Search from a list of links into an AI-powered experience filled with conversational answers, autonomous agents, and interactive interfaces — a shift that could further reduce traffic to publishers across the web.
BTW, I don't think Google is going to completely ditch their search results page, because the TechCrunch article said it like this:
> Instead of returning a simple list of links, Google Search will drop users into AI-powered interactive experiences at times.
I don't think "at times" at the end here was an accident. It is still very bad that Google is doing this, but I feel like if they removed the search results page entirely then there would be a big backlash.
What Google is trying to do now is to slowly get people accustomed to the "AI-powered interactive experience" and perhaps sometime in the future they would make it the default, reminds me of the boiling frog.....
They may not do it now, but may do it eventually. Plus if they push that interactive summary then most people will use that, just as today they use those simple summaries. So in a sense making the search results irrelevant.
What Google is trying to do now is to slowly get people accustomed to the "AI-powered interactive experience" and perhaps sometime in the future they would make it the default, reminds me of the boiling frog.....
I am so frustrated that pretty much everyone is blind in this world. So may loud voices about the "harms" of AI, but what is happening with this tool is TOTALLY NORMAL in a TRADE BASED SOCIETY.
TOTALLY NORMAL!
Companies wanna trade these tools, thus make money at all costs. Users wanna use them to trade, make money. Videos, books, whatever the shit.
The incentive is THE SAME. Big or small groups of people.
There is NO SURPRISE!
Totally normal.
No way we can fix this, or the billions of other issues, unless we change the structure of our society. Sounds daunting but only if you are thinking about it simplistically and in a sci-fi way.
Imagine if we start a Universal Basic Income scheme, also provide the needs of people as trade-free. Housing, food, healthcare, etc.. Free people from this society, so they can be less idiotic and less driven to make profit out of everything. This is a realistic way forward.
That's how you can try to change the infinite blanket of shit that everyone grows on top of.
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I am so frustrated that pretty much everyone is blind in this world. So may loud voices about the "harms" of AI, but what is happening with this tool is TOTALLY NORMAL in a TRADE BASED SOCIETY.
TOTALLY NORMAL!
Companies wanna trade these tools, thus make money at all costs. Users wanna use them to trade, make money. Videos, books, whatever the shit.
The incentive is THE SAME. Big or small groups of people.
There is NO SURPRISE!
Totally normal.
No way we can fix this, or the billions of other issues, unless we change the structure of our society. Sounds daunting but only if you are thinking about it simplistically and in a sci-fi way.
Imagine if we start a Universal Basic Income scheme, also provide the needs of people as trade-free. Housing, food, healthcare, etc.. Free people from this society, so they can be less idiotic and less driven to make profit out of everything. This is a realistic way forward.
That's how you can try to change the infinite blanket of shit that everyone grows on top of.
It drives me INSANE that people do not see this simple fact, that people are consuming idiots in a trade-based society, so ofc they will abuse every tool for trading purposes.
It has been the case for thousands of years.
So yah, I am sick of those who speak about AI slop, destruction of the environment, climate change, etc., but NEVER mentioning the trade-based society that creates all of these.
It's like talking about lung cancer without mentioning smoking at all. And not connecting it with the Tobacco industry. And then hop, back to trade.
This is the world we live in....and won't change in any significant way unless we understand where our problems originate.
I know this is a rant 'cause you're frustrated, but honestly people need to hear this. How can we expect the world to change for the better when the primary incentive of our society as a whole is to trade stuff and accumulate stuff with trade value (money, resources, etc.)
It was something I have thought about for a long time but I never said it because what are the odds of getting so many to agree and get rid of the system. I think if it were to happen, it will most likely happen slowly.
These motherfuckers put some weird screws on this electrical heater so you cannot open it unless you have a very specific screw driver. Absolutely criminal behavior. But I understand it. You have to trade in this world in order to survive and thrive, and so these tactics can create advantages for you: the heater breaks, people buy a new one. Done. More profit.
If we can't change the incentive we cannot change these behaviors.
These motherfuckers put some weird screws on this electrical heater so you cannot open it unless you have a very specific screw driver. Absolutely criminal behavior. But I understand it. You have to trade in this world in order to survive and thrive, and so these tactics can create advantages for you: the heater breaks, people buy a new one. Done. More profit.
If we can't change the incentive we cannot change these behaviors.
These motherfuckers put some weird screws on this electrical heater so you cannot open it unless you have a very specific screw driver. Absolutely criminal behavior. But I understand it. You have to trade in this world in order to survive and thrive, and so these tactics can create advantages for you: the heater breaks, people buy a new one. Done. More profit.
yeah, I had similar issue last week, trying to open a laptop, also had to buy overpriced screwdriver just to be able to do it. Exactly it should be illegal to put such screwheads.
Of course this is an issue with our trade based society 100%. How? Easy:
The incentive to do harm in this society is quite high. For profit, for power that also leads to profit, for the fact that tribes and people are divided into groups trying to outgame the other groups. Like Iran has an incentive to hack USA, USA has an incentive to hack China, Russia has an incentive to hack the EU, and so forth. They can get sensitive information, blackmail, etc.. This is a global situation that has trade (as a practice) as the director of motives. Making people do what they do. Tribes hold onto their own resources, exploit other tribes, etc.. And so fighting with each other is natural.
If we lived in a society where trading was not a necessity and provided for all equally, we would have no reason to have tribes with borders, exploit other tribes, fight against each oth
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Very good video from Veritasium about that big backdoor issue on Linux recently:
Of course this is an issue with our trade based society 100%. How? Easy:
The incentive to do harm in this society is quite high. For profit, for power that also leads to profit, for the fact that tribes and people are divided into groups trying to outgame the other groups. Like Iran has an incentive to hack USA, USA has an incentive to hack China, Russia has an incentive to hack the EU, and so forth. They can get sensitive information, blackmail, etc.. This is a global situation that has trade (as a practice) as the director of motives. Making people do what they do. Tribes hold onto their own resources, exploit other tribes, etc.. And so fighting with each other is natural.
If we lived in a society where trading was not a necessity and provided for all equally, we would have no reason to have tribes with borders, exploit other tribes, fight against each other when we are all in fact a big tribe, the human tribe.
The people working on a lot of open source software struggle to work on it since they also have "day jobs". They have to TRADE to survive. Imagine people had access to their basic needs trade-free, via an UBI or whatever. More time to focus on creating secure and better software, more people who can do that. Less of those incentivized to do harm and insert backdoors.
Overall it is a cancerous trade society where humans are livestock and wolves. Consuming and being consumed.
The only sane way out of it is to HELP PEOPLE DETACH FROM THE TRADE SOCIETY. So they can be people and focus on RELEVANT STUFF.
Else it is a game of those who want to exploit and those who try to stop them. Endless....
Art in particular needs to run on appreciation. People need to be able to freely express their appreciation for a thing somebody else made-- while every transaction is adverserial, everybody trying to pay as little as possible to get as much as possible, especially while we're struggling to get our most basic needs met, it doesn't come naturally to toss around donations just to honor things you really like.
Wait, is he starting out by saying that the xz utils backdoor was the fault of people demanding that software be free and open source?
Not at all. Watch till the end they make good points about how open source is far more secure and versatile than proprietary software and they explain how the open source thing started.
Because it was pushed on the community by brute force and trickery, and lo and behold adding a needless (mandatory) dependency to ssh, a dependency that itself is completely sloppy and depends on everything under the sun, introduces a vulnerability to ssh.
But also isnt this besides the point of the video? The video is about how people work as volunteers and try to do good things and are not supported by this society and how some bad people can take advantage of that. Also about how wonderful Linux is.
It was Lennart Pottering's uh... "passion" project. He's the one who demanded we all use his sound server even though it added a layer of complexity and a new point of failure, and sound already worked. You might know it as PulseAudio. That particular fellow realized a critical vulnerability in the "open source" community. None of us compile anything anymore.
So if he could get projects to add "optional" systemd support that could only be removed at compile time, then binary distributions like Debian or Arch had to choose: require systemd, or forbid it. He also has big influence in the Redhat project, so they turned everything to use systemd, and their users couldn't do shit about it. Debian/Ubuntu followed, and Arch was soon after. Because once most people (using Redhat) were using systemd, they went through the trouble of learning how to use it, and came to expect it.
Even if it could be made secure, the way it was introduced makes it really hard to avoid vulnerabilities, because uh... it's mandatory, so you just have to hope it's secure. And it's a big fat kitchen s
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It was Lennart Pottering's uh... "passion" project. He's the one who demanded we all use his sound server even though it added a layer of complexity and a new point of failure, and sound already worked. You might know it as PulseAudio. That particular fellow realized a critical vulnerability in the "open source" community. None of us compile anything anymore.
So if he could get projects to add "optional" systemd support that could only be removed at compile time, then binary distributions like Debian or Arch had to choose: require systemd, or forbid it. He also has big influence in the Redhat project, so they turned everything to use systemd, and their users couldn't do shit about it. Debian/Ubuntu followed, and Arch was soon after. Because once most people (using Redhat) were using systemd, they went through the trouble of learning how to use it, and came to expect it.
Even if it could be made secure, the way it was introduced makes it really hard to avoid vulnerabilities, because uh... it's mandatory, so you just have to hope it's secure. And it's a big fat kitchen sink project with no discipline about keeping things secure, because it's mandatory, so they're accountable for nothing.
I suppose. The way it's being presented is just grating on me. Needed at least some commentary on how we need less dependency hell. Or as you put it, "DETACH FROM THE TRADE SOCIETY"
For trade reasons the Internet has become a marketplace (trade currency, attention, data). Therefore monopolies have formed, owning and controlling search, major platforms, and apps.
On the other had the other marketers want their websites/content to rank higher, to get more views, show more ads, make more money. So shitty websites and content for the sake of that.
Thus the Internet is a load of poop nowadays. Hard to find what you are looking for.
So now these monopolies are inserting these AI chatbots into search. They seem very convenient for people. Go straight to an answer. And the monopolies do not care that these chatbots lie a lot.
Happy business everyone!
Trade is the root of most problems. As I've been saying for many years now.
I read it as "...Internet is a LOOP of poop nowadays." and I stand by it now 🤣 Can't agree more, AI is just an overhyped, desperate attempt of those monopolies to find a point of growth to keep their bussiness going in the neverending for-profit race. Nothing else can be expected from the society that has been built on trade 😔
This is the perfect example of why in this trade-based society things get fucked. Because people are focused on trading, making a profit. And these idiots did just that. Cut corners, then cut their lives short and of those who paid for their scam.
YEAR: 2025 | LENGTH: 1 part (60 minutes) | SOURCE: BBC
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When the Titan sub imploded on a dive to the Titanic, the world watched in shock. A major investigation was launched. With unprecedented access to investigators and exclusive new evidence, this documentary explores whether this was more than a tragic accident. Why did it happen? Could it have been prevented?
Extinction Rebellion may have gone quiet, but climate protest will come roaring back | Oliver Haynes - theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Yes....I noticed that too. You know there were many loud people and projects for the past decade or so. Some protesting, some proposing radical alternatives to this so called "capitalist" society. Meaning this trade-based society. They are all kinda gone now...
I am one of them. Since 2011 I scream and scream and scream. And do all sorts of projects.
But the truth is that we are like trying to grow a crop in the middle of Times Square. There is no fertile soil, only concrete and people trying to stop you doing it.
There is no help for me to create and maintain the so many projects I do. There is no support for the so many good-willing people out there who want to protect nature, do good deeds, amazing projects, open source, and so on. NOTHING.
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Extinction Rebellion may have gone quiet, but climate protest will come roaring back | Oliver Haynes - theguardian.com/commentisfree/…
Yes....I noticed that too. You know there were many loud people and projects for the past decade or so. Some protesting, some proposing radical alternatives to this so called "capitalist" society. Meaning this trade-based society. They are all kinda gone now...
I am one of them. Since 2011 I scream and scream and scream. And do all sorts of projects.
But the truth is that we are like trying to grow a crop in the middle of Times Square. There is no fertile soil, only concrete and people trying to stop you doing it.
There is no help for me to create and maintain the so many projects I do. There is no support for the so many good-willing people out there who want to protect nature, do good deeds, amazing projects, open source, and so on. NOTHING.
We have to fend for ourselves - to find ways to trade and stay alive, while doing these things. There is no way forward like that.
We are bound to perish.
I keep on surviving, surprisingly enough, with more projects than I started in 2011. But my reach is hundreds of times less than it was in 2011. I have to trade at times to make some money, I have to stress over not having enough to make it, I have to do a ton of work that should be done by 10 people normally.
The financial support is bleeding out, the interest I feel is not even present that much.
It all sounds very pessimistic but it is the truth. However I am still not giving up. I have new ideas and approaches.
And I know there are MANY MANY people out there who still keep the flame of revolting and activism alive, and all they need is a bit of fertile soil to thrive. But to get that fertile soil, the help, is really hard. And perhaps that is where the focus should be.
Maybe TROM will start to focus on that bit...
Will see.
If you are one of us, don't despair. You are for sure not alone. Maybe new projects and forms of activism will arise out of the stagnant frustration and anger that so many have layered within.
A system in which its members cannot even have the time and means to protest or propose/work on alternatives, is an abusive system. It only wants for "it" to survive, as it is the only way for its members to stay afloat. Therefore humans have to trade in the trade system, to survive. That is the forced incentive. Anything else can only temporarily survive.
The trade game has to go.
STEPS:
Provide the basic needs as trade-free: healthcare, education, communication, food, shelter, etc..
Provide a Universal Basic Income to everyone, no strings attached.
This is how we allow people to focus on what they see as important. To have time to get informed and inform others. To get involved, to help, to thrive.
A documentary that showcases how "fame" makes you a bigger trading tool for other companies. In this society you are an asset. Big or small. That pressure made this guy kill himself.
Like he was saying in the documentary to be free does not mean to have money or be a celebrity, it is to have the time to do what you love, without anyone telling you what to do.
We should all experience such a life...unfortunately i this trade society things are backwards.
A documentary that showcases how "fame" makes you a bigger trading tool for other companies. In this society you are an asset. Big or small. That pressure made this guy kill himself.
Like he was saying in the documentary to be free does not mean to have money or be a celebrity, it is to have the time to do what you love, without anyone telling you what to do.
We should all experience such a life...unfortunately i this trade society things are backwards.
YEAR: 2024 | LENGTH: 1 part (96 minutes) | SOURCE: WIKI
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The former movie description from Tribeca Festival reads: “Before there was Avicii, there was just Tim. For the first time through his own words, witness the journey of a shy but prodigious musical talent who would soon become one of the defining artists of his generation”.According to Billboard, the movie will include “never-before-seen archive footage and interviews with Bergling himself”. It will also feature “newly produced material, with interviews with Bergling’s family, friends and colleagues”.
Maybe you can start it first per tribe, then expand globally.
Goal: humans should not have to trade in order to survive in this society. Since this creates a tsunami of problems for people and the rest of this planet. (source)
Plan:
Basic needs trade-free.
Make the most basic needs services trade-free. Healthcare, transportation, shelter, basic food, access to Internet (information and communication). You can do that through taxes, through volunteers, through all sort of means. Many tribes already provide some of these as trade-free, like in Europe a lot of the healthcare systems are like that. Not difficult!
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Maybe you can start it first per tribe, then expand globally.
Goal: humans should not have to trade in order to survive in this society. Since this creates a tsunami of problems for people and the rest of this planet. (source)
Plan:
Basic needs trade-free.
Make the most basic needs services trade-free. Healthcare, transportation, shelter, basic food, access to Internet (information and communication). You can do that through taxes, through volunteers, through all sort of means. Many tribes already provide some of these as trade-free, like in Europe a lot of the healthcare systems are like that. Not difficult!
Basic Income.
Since this world still relies on trades (money), and people may have different sort of needs and definitely wants, give everyone a basic income (say 1.000 dollars a month) with no strings attached. You can do it again through taxes, via the removal of so many institutions and resources dedicated to track people and check if they are eligible for benefits, and all of the paperwork nonsense that has been created around this. No more "benefits", no more "pensions". Forget about labeling people as employed or unemployed in regards to who should be helped.
That is it!
Now you will have a bunch of humans who KNOW they are taken care of. They KNOW that if they get sick they should only worry about that health problem and not a financial problem. They KNOW that they wont starve or end up on the street. They know they are SAFE.
On top of this, with the money you give them monthly, they can have some power and focus on doing some useful things in this society. At least some will, if not many.
This can grow up over time into a saner society of humans who can refuse to work for bullshit companies, or do any bullshit jobs. A world in which humans have the time to decide what to focus on, who to "vote" for, stay informed and properly inform others.
A world where scientists or journalists should not worry about their livelihood. So they can do their "jobs" properly.
We deserve and need this world. Else there is no intelligent species on this planet.
Of course...a bullshit company, like most companies, providing nothing useful for the people and now even putting their personal information (and DNA) at risk. Because you know, other company may buy it and who knows what it does with the data. I have been saying that since the beginning when everyone was so excited about this useless company.
To read the DNA for useful purposes should be the job of entities that do not make a business out of it, but take care of people´s health. This nonsense of "see where you ancestors are from" "see if you are fucking irish or a goblin", is so useless even if accurate, which may not even be.
Anyway, another story of nonsense companies that make people give them their data to then fuck up this information for everyone.
These "influencers" are a lot of scam and con. They found new ways to make money off of gullible people. This is the trade society and its influence on people.
These "influencers" are a lot of scam and con. They found new ways to make money off of gullible people. This is the trade society and its influence on people.
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Two things scare me the most, personally. First is death or health related issues. It is normal, if I die I'm fucked for eternity :). I think this is easy to understand for many people.
Second thing that scares me so much is to slip back into the fantasy world that humans created and forget about the amazing reality discovered for the past hundreds of years. To become too normal, even if that can mean to laugh, have fun, enjoy. I am scared of this. I battled this for all of my life trying to inject myself with reality bits and info (atoms, galaxies, evolution, stars and everything real) in the hope that my brain can understand the value of reality. It is hard. It is so hard and it is something I feel not many, if any, understand. It is also something that you can lose very fast, when you "get it".
I wanted to put a printed Hubble image of the Andromeda galaxy on the ceiling in my room when I was in college so that when I wake up it will remind me of how reality is mind blowing and the human invented one is a simplistic, myopic and colorless at best.
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Two things scare me the most, personally. First is death or health related issues. It is normal, if I die I'm fucked for eternity :). I think this is easy to understand for many people.
Second thing that scares me so much is to slip back into the fantasy world that humans created and forget about the amazing reality discovered for the past hundreds of years. To become too normal, even if that can mean to laugh, have fun, enjoy. I am scared of this. I battled this for all of my life trying to inject myself with reality bits and info (atoms, galaxies, evolution, stars and everything real) in the hope that my brain can understand the value of reality. It is hard. It is so hard and it is something I feel not many, if any, understand. It is also something that you can lose very fast, when you "get it".
I wanted to put a printed Hubble image of the Andromeda galaxy on the ceiling in my room when I was in college so that when I wake up it will remind me of how reality is mind blowing and the human invented one is a simplistic, myopic and colorless at best.
Most humans are today as they were 400, 1.000 , or more years ago. Let's have a beer, a chat, get married, fuck, have kids, gossip, have fun or war. Not saying some of these are not good or reasonable, but isn't it mindblowing that not much has changed in the core of our global society and the day to day life of humans for the past 400 years considering in this time we discovered cells, atoms, galaxies, evolution, and everything in between?
To me, this is so odd it creates a turmoil in my head. I think I have an explanation why this is the case tho: an aggressive trade-based society where everyone is a working ant. No time to even know about reality, let alone absorb it.
Reality is shocking, mind-blowing, fabulous, scary, infinitely complex and amazing. Day to day life in this society is simplistic and almost parallel to reality.
If you don't fee like losing your mind when you think about this contrast, I don't think you understand.
I sometimes think of death as an external sleep and it makes it seem less frightening, except the pain of death and health issues ofc - those are still scary.
As for humans not changing in any fundamental ways over many centuries it doesn't feel that surprising to me - isn't this the case for most creatures on earth? 🤔 But yeah I do still wish for some things to change, things like wars and environmental destruction, or the fact that humans are still forced to be like working ants - that sucks because it takes away their precious time.
If you think about it the universe also feels stagnant sometimes, the moon rotates around the earth and the earth rotates around the sun - it has been like that for millions of years. I've heard that the Andromeda galaxy will one day collapse with the Milkyway to create a new galaxy, but the time it takes for that to happen is so long that my lifespan feels insignificant in comparison. Hell most of us don't even notice the
I sometimes think of death as an external sleep and it makes it seem less frightening, except the pain of death and health issues ofc - those are still scary.
As for humans not changing in any fundamental ways over many centuries it doesn't feel that surprising to me - isn't this the case for most creatures on earth? 🤔 But yeah I do still wish for some things to change, things like wars and environmental destruction, or the fact that humans are still forced to be like working ants - that sucks because it takes away their precious time.
If you think about it the universe also feels stagnant sometimes, the moon rotates around the earth and the earth rotates around the sun - it has been like that for millions of years. I've heard that the Andromeda galaxy will one day collapse with the Milkyway to create a new galaxy, but the time it takes for that to happen is so long that my lifespan feels insignificant in comparison. Hell most of us don't even notice the trees growing around us because it happens very slowly lol 😄 But the one thing that has had significant changes is our understanding of the universe, we sent humans to space, rovers to mars, etc so that we could study it. We made a giant foldable telescope and sent it into space just so we could see distant galaxies more clearly! 🤓 Hell we photographed a black hole! 😃 So in the end it is still about humanity, the leaps and bounces we make in trying to understand the universe 🙂
Well doesnt scare you the thought that you will never wake up or dream? :D - To me this realization that I will disappear forever is really frightening.
As for humans not changing in any fundamental ways over many centuries it doesn't feel that surprising to me - isn't this the case for most creatures on earth?
No because I am talking culturally/mentally change. No other creature can imagine like humans do. And to find out that you are made up of cells, or atoms, or are other solar systems out there, but not change in any fundamental way how you see your image, is weird to me.
Those missions are not just "humans exploring out of curiosity" - there are many people involved who just "do their job" as an engineer, scientist, etc.. I remember seeing videos from ISS with "scientists" wearing a cross, and being so "christians"....to me that's so weird. Also celebrating the SuperBall and I bet many watch Netflix in space.
My point is that if we were to discover that inside our skulls there is a green little man pushing buttons....and we have phot
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Well doesnt scare you the thought that you will never wake up or dream? :D - To me this realization that I will disappear forever is really frightening.
As for humans not changing in any fundamental ways over many centuries it doesn't feel that surprising to me - isn't this the case for most creatures on earth?
No because I am talking culturally/mentally change. No other creature can imagine like humans do. And to find out that you are made up of cells, or atoms, or are other solar systems out there, but not change in any fundamental way how you see your image, is weird to me.
Those missions are not just "humans exploring out of curiosity" - there are many people involved who just "do their job" as an engineer, scientist, etc.. I remember seeing videos from ISS with "scientists" wearing a cross, and being so "christians"....to me that's so weird. Also celebrating the SuperBall and I bet many watch Netflix in space.
My point is that if we were to discover that inside our skulls there is a green little man pushing buttons....and we have photos of that, and so on, but you tell to people about it and they are like "hm, ok, yah" and move on with their life....this is WEIRD :D
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Well doesnt scare you the thought that you will never wake up or dream? :D - To me this realization that I will disappear forever is really frightening.
Yeah it is kinda scary to think that you'll never be able to experience the world again, but once you're dead you're also not conscious anymore and without that you cannot miss what you had before. But yeah ofc it's normal to be scared of death, we all are to some extent.
No because I am talking culturally/mentally change. No other creature can imagine like humans do. And to find out that you are made up of cells, or atoms, or are other solar systems out there, but not change in any fundamental way how you see your image, is weird to me.
I think the discovery of these things actually did have an impact on our culture, but perhaps not as pronounced as it should've been. I remember the first time I learned about atoms as a kid, that was a mind blowing experi
Well doesnt scare you the thought that you will never wake up or dream? :D - To me this realization that I will disappear forever is really frightening.
Yeah it is kinda scary to think that you'll never be able to experience the world again, but once you're dead you're also not conscious anymore and without that you cannot miss what you had before. But yeah ofc it's normal to be scared of death, we all are to some extent.
No because I am talking culturally/mentally change. No other creature can imagine like humans do. And to find out that you are made up of cells, or atoms, or are other solar systems out there, but not change in any fundamental way how you see your image, is weird to me.
I think the discovery of these things actually did have an impact on our culture, but perhaps not as pronounced as it should've been. I remember the first time I learned about atoms as a kid, that was a mind blowing experience for me! And I remember discussing about these ideas with a friend who was also blown away by these things. The crazy thing is that it almost feels like science fiction, and I know people have theorized about this idea centuries ago that maybe all matter was made out of some fundamental particles - those were just theories back then, until we discovered through science that it was actually real! Over time I got used to the idea of atoms and it doesn't excite me anymore like when I was a kid first discovering it, but this is pretty normal - it keeps me wanting to learn new things so that I could feel like that kid again 🙂
Those missions are not just "humans exploring out of curiosity" - there are many people involved who just "do their job" as an engineer, scientist, etc.. I remember seeing videos from ISS with "scientists" wearing a cross, and being so "christians"....to me that's so weird. Also celebrating the SuperBall and I bet many watch Netflix in space.
Religion and science is a weird mix for sure, but I don't know maybe it works in this weird ant worker society we got going lol 😄 Stuff like SuperBall and Netflix could be argued as a waste of time (if someone's spending too much time on it), but at least these are not fundamental beliefs like religion and likewise not as harmful.
My point is that if we were to discover that inside our skulls there is a green little man pushing buttons....and we have photos of that, and so on, but you tell to people about it and they are like "hm, ok, yah" and move on with their life....this is WEIRD :D
Oh yeah I get what you mean, I don't understand people who don't have any curiosity man 😅 It is sad to see people being apathetic to these things. Sometimes when I learn about something really cool and wanna share it with others I have no one around me who could understand it or share that excitement with me, sometimes when there is someone they'll be too busy to have the time for it - experiences like that does make me feel alone sometimes.
but once you're dead you're also not conscious anymore and without that you cannot miss what you had before
The missing part is for the alive ones :P like us. So ofc it is frighting to think about it.
I think the discovery of these things actually did have an impact on our culture, but perhaps not as pronounced as it should've been.
I do not see that impact. People's lives are the same as they were hundreds or thousands of years ago: work, consume, get married, have kids, gossip, and all that. These discoveries didn't even make us feel like one species. We are still divided into tribes.
Sometimes when I learn about something really cool and wanna share it with others I have no one around me who could understand it or share that excitement with me, sometimes when there is someone they'll be too busy to have the time for it - experiences like that does make me feel alone sometimes.
Yeah exactly....as I was saying since people are so busy to trade mostly. It sucks and it destroys curiosity. It really sucks.
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Mmm, depends what you mean by "core of our global society" I guess.
Most people are always going to want to concentrate on things of immediate relevance. I mean, yes, cells and galaxies are wonderful and all, but how does that change anything you can do in your day to day life ? For most people, unless you're a doctor or an astronomer, it doesn't.
On the other hand... a lot less people are involved in manual labour today than they were even 40 years ago, let alone 400. How many people even earned a living from website design 40 years ago ? In some ways the changes have been profound even at the practical level, let alone the subtler realm of world views (which have changed beyond recognition).
In Stephen Baxter's novels he refers to all the accessories needed for manned spaceflight collectively as plumbing : we need to bring along a hell of a lot of stuff just to keep us going. Likewise, what have we learned that prevents the need for sex, trade and beer (not necessarily in that order) ? Nothing, really. We still need to do all that stuff. It's
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Mmm, depends what you mean by "core of our global society" I guess.
Most people are always going to want to concentrate on things of immediate relevance. I mean, yes, cells and galaxies are wonderful and all, but how does that change anything you can do in your day to day life ? For most people, unless you're a doctor or an astronomer, it doesn't.
On the other hand... a lot less people are involved in manual labour today than they were even 40 years ago, let alone 400. How many people even earned a living from website design 40 years ago ? In some ways the changes have been profound even at the practical level, let alone the subtler realm of world views (which have changed beyond recognition).
In Stephen Baxter's novels he refers to all the accessories needed for manned spaceflight collectively as plumbing : we need to bring along a hell of a lot of stuff just to keep us going. Likewise, what have we learned that prevents the need for sex, trade and beer (not necessarily in that order) ? Nothing, really. We still need to do all that stuff. It's just that now our conversations are about different things and proceed from different assumptions. The shift is subtler than changing our gross behaviours - except where technology or other developments make this unavoidable - but no less powerful for that. You don't find people worrying about miasma anymore, but actually disinfecting things properly.
The other factor is that frequent consideration of our place in the Universe on scales both large and small is likely a quick route to insanity. :)
Most people are always going to want to concentrate on things of immediate relevance. I mean, yes, cells and galaxies are wonderful and all, but how does that change anything you can do in your day to day life ? For most people, unless you're a doctor or an astronomer, it doesn't.
Probably "immediate relevance" means whatever they are made to focus on in this society: iphones, gadgets, stupid tv shows, events, consume, drama, etc.. Cells and galaxies and the rest are something one can use to change the way they see themselves and others. Like we are all humans, all connected, no need for artificial separations like borders, nationalities, color of the skin, etc.. These are also wonderful discussion topics and may make people buy a telescope/microscope rather than a new phone. There are many implications resulting from such a scientific mind set.
On the other hand... a lot less people are involved in manual labour today than they were even 40 years ago, let alone 400. How many people even earned a living from website design 40 years ago ? In s
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Most people are always going to want to concentrate on things of immediate relevance. I mean, yes, cells and galaxies are wonderful and all, but how does that change anything you can do in your day to day life ? For most people, unless you're a doctor or an astronomer, it doesn't.
Probably "immediate relevance" means whatever they are made to focus on in this society: iphones, gadgets, stupid tv shows, events, consume, drama, etc.. Cells and galaxies and the rest are something one can use to change the way they see themselves and others. Like we are all humans, all connected, no need for artificial separations like borders, nationalities, color of the skin, etc.. These are also wonderful discussion topics and may make people buy a telescope/microscope rather than a new phone. There are many implications resulting from such a scientific mind set.
On the other hand... a lot less people are involved in manual labour today than they were even 40 years ago, let alone 400. How many people even earned a living from website design 40 years ago ? In some ways the changes have been profound even at the practical level, let alone the subtler realm of world views (which have changed beyond recognition).
This has nothing to do with the way people are. A webdesigner today and a house constructor from 600 years ago have a lot in common. Probably both want to get married, have kids, want to buy stuff, trade, not curious about the scientific world, etc..
Yes, but most scientists also want to buy stuff, get married, etc. We don't spend the whole time pontificating on the nature of reality because, as I said, it would drive us mad.
I think the general mindset of the modern world has changed, substantially, from where it was centuries ago. Social attitudes have changed radically from where they were even a few decades ago : compare the role of women in the workplace in the 1950s, or how homosexuals were treated in the 1980s. There isn't full equality yet, but good lord there's been a colossal shift in that direction (interestingly of course, if you go back further through history, you often find shifts in both positive as well as negative directions compared to the modern era, e.g. homosexuality in ancient Greece).
Yes, lots of people use gadgets and whatnot for watching stupid TV shows and the like. But they also use them for watching educational stuff.
I dunno, I just think there's no one right way to live one's life. I'm an astronomer, but I'd no more want to force astronomy on those unwilling to do it t
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Yes, but most scientists also want to buy stuff, get married, etc. We don't spend the whole time pontificating on the nature of reality because, as I said, it would drive us mad.
I think the general mindset of the modern world has changed, substantially, from where it was centuries ago. Social attitudes have changed radically from where they were even a few decades ago : compare the role of women in the workplace in the 1950s, or how homosexuals were treated in the 1980s. There isn't full equality yet, but good lord there's been a colossal shift in that direction (interestingly of course, if you go back further through history, you often find shifts in both positive as well as negative directions compared to the modern era, e.g. homosexuality in ancient Greece).
Yes, lots of people use gadgets and whatnot for watching stupid TV shows and the like. But they also use them for watching educational stuff.
I dunno, I just think there's no one right way to live one's life. I'm an astronomer, but I'd no more want to force astronomy on those unwilling to do it than I'd appreciate being forced to, say, play basketball. I honestly haven't got a clue what people get out of playing sports but if that's what they like, so be it.
I do wish we could stop the utterly vacuous stuff though : Keeping Up With the Kardaashians, endless celebrity gossip and the like. But I'm not sure it's possible. We seem hard wired to be very interested in judging each other, and no amount of cosmic mystiwisdom seems able to change that.
It is not about "pontificating" about atoms, galaxies, and what-not, is about how these fundamental truths that were only discovered recently seem to have no impact on the vast majority of people. And that is very strange.
I am lucky to be around people who are excited about these real things so we often talk about these, we go with the telescope and watch some planets, or look at things through the microscope, etc.. I cannot even watch movies anymore, I watch documentaries. Reality is the most mindblowing and interesting and complex thing, so if you get it, you can't be excited by simplistic human-made stories I guess. And we are far from losing our minds :)
I agree some social attitudes have changed a lot, but many have not in my view. The attitude towards work, the notion of family, the view of us as one species (which is scientifically accurate) does not seem to be a thing in this society - I see a lot more division every day. We have the same core trade-based society where the purpose of pretty much everyone is that of trade. To trade themselves or the stuff they
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It is not about "pontificating" about atoms, galaxies, and what-not, is about how these fundamental truths that were only discovered recently seem to have no impact on the vast majority of people. And that is very strange.
I am lucky to be around people who are excited about these real things so we often talk about these, we go with the telescope and watch some planets, or look at things through the microscope, etc.. I cannot even watch movies anymore, I watch documentaries. Reality is the most mindblowing and interesting and complex thing, so if you get it, you can't be excited by simplistic human-made stories I guess. And we are far from losing our minds :)
I agree some social attitudes have changed a lot, but many have not in my view. The attitude towards work, the notion of family, the view of us as one species (which is scientifically accurate) does not seem to be a thing in this society - I see a lot more division every day. We have the same core trade-based society where the purpose of pretty much everyone is that of trade. To trade themselves or the stuff they have, for something else. The attitude towards consumerism has become more insane, and so forth.
I also agree that anyone should live their lives as they wish to, I am just observing some facts: how for the past hundreds of years mindblowing things have been discovered about reality, and this had almost 0 impact on the day to day life of people. Imagine if we proved we live in a computer simulation and all scientists agree and we can verify. But yet most people would be like "Yeah, cool..." and move on with their simulated life. Wouldn't that be bizarre?
We seem hard wired to be very interested in judging each other, and no amount of cosmic mystiwisdom seems able to change that.
I disagree that we are hard wired for anything really. We become whatever the environment pushes us to be. Even the way we walk or talk is created by the environment we are raised into. And we can change, never forget that.
Well I do agree that we aren't hardwired for anything very much. In large part, I think, we are society; we are our own environment. Yet there are behaviours like family bonds which, if not truly constant, don't seem to vary nearly as strongly. Hence I interpret some attitudes and behaviours, at least, to be hard-wired, maybe not fully so but much more than others.
I'm fascinated by how other cultures have interpreted reality in very different ways. The modern scientific world view is really very recent indeed and nowhere near complete, or even wholly accurate. I would agree that this hasn't really changed any of the basics like the need for family, trade, socialising, but on the other hand, why would it ? The big ideas don't filter down to that level much except as nth-order effects. There is a deep-seated need to talk to other people, to have friends, to have material goods... whether reality is the atomic waste of stellar explosions or we're actually all living inside the eye of a giant duck wouldn't make any difference to that. In a way, all co
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Well I do agree that we aren't hardwired for anything very much. In large part, I think, we are society; we are our own environment. Yet there are behaviours like family bonds which, if not truly constant, don't seem to vary nearly as strongly. Hence I interpret some attitudes and behaviours, at least, to be hard-wired, maybe not fully so but much more than others.
I'm fascinated by how other cultures have interpreted reality in very different ways. The modern scientific world view is really very recent indeed and nowhere near complete, or even wholly accurate. I would agree that this hasn't really changed any of the basics like the need for family, trade, socialising, but on the other hand, why would it ? The big ideas don't filter down to that level much except as nth-order effects. There is a deep-seated need to talk to other people, to have friends, to have material goods... whether reality is the atomic waste of stellar explosions or we're actually all living inside the eye of a giant duck wouldn't make any difference to that. In a way, all conceptions of reality are equally astonishing (Pratchett, as often, said it best).
On the other hand... nobody goes to the local Wise Woman for medicine anymore (well, with some unfortunate exceptions...), or sacrifices a bull to bring the rain. Some basics haven't varied much but differences of detail are huge. The things that don't vary, I think, are the fundamental "plumbing" and likely will never alter very much at all.
And the thing is, discoveries filter through slowly. We have time to adapt; there isn't much "shock value" in most findings. Even when there is, what seemed revolutionary yesterday becomes normal very quickly indeed. We are extremely flexible. Possibly there's a state of maximum excitation beyond which things are so radically different that they just can't be understood at all, but below which pretty nearly everything becomes normal.
I suppose it might be "scary" in the sense that maybe we aren't as humbled as we should be. On the other hand, being in a state of permanent astonishment and surprise would be debilitating. Flexibility has its advantages.
I looked a lot into this hard-wiring "theory" of behavior and I could never find anything of significance especially since humans can always change. So the outside pressures are always the ones capable of changing the behavior.
I would agree that this hasn't really changed any of the basics like the need for family, trade, socialising, but on the other hand, why would it ?
Well take climate change. It is a huge issue. All scientists agree about that basically. But not much is being done because something else overwrites it: the pressures in this trade based society to seek for profit.
In the same way people are more incentivized and made to watch some silly netflix series than say documentaries (due to ads for example), or find it easier to have chit-chats about nothing things than more interesting conversations because most people are tired due to work. And so on. The notion of a family is quite stagnant and promoted by the same media that everyone consumes.
Most boils down to this trade-based society where people are incentivized to prom
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I looked a lot into this hard-wiring "theory" of behavior and I could never find anything of significance especially since humans can always change. So the outside pressures are always the ones capable of changing the behavior.
I would agree that this hasn't really changed any of the basics like the need for family, trade, socialising, but on the other hand, why would it ?
Well take climate change. It is a huge issue. All scientists agree about that basically. But not much is being done because something else overwrites it: the pressures in this trade based society to seek for profit.
In the same way people are more incentivized and made to watch some silly netflix series than say documentaries (due to ads for example), or find it easier to have chit-chats about nothing things than more interesting conversations because most people are tired due to work. And so on. The notion of a family is quite stagnant and promoted by the same media that everyone consumes.
Most boils down to this trade-based society where people are incentivized to promote and consume whatever sells best, where most people are busy and consumers, where reality is not really sold/advertised in any way, and so on.
Why would notions like the family, or the idea of work, and so forth be changed by whatever we discovered so far? Because what we discovered shows us we are one species on one planet, and same as with the climate change we should change the way we do things on this planet because we are not doing so well. And where there is no issue that is uncovered by this reality, like climate change, then the view of yourself in this universe should change if you find something new about reality, no?
There is a deep-seated need to talk to other people, to have friends, to have material goods... whether reality is the atomic waste of stellar explosions or we're actually all living inside the eye of a giant duck wouldn't make any difference to that.
It is so strange to think this way. Are you saying that if tomorrow we discover that all is a computer simulation, and everyone agrees, wouldn't it be weird if people would have the same lives as before?
I do not think there is a "natural" excuse for this state of numbness about reality. Whenever I show others the Moon or other planets through my telescope they don't even have a clue what these are. And they are fascinated when I tell them. I think the information doesn't reach most people to begin with. You can't be curious if you don't even know.
We could be very different beings if we were to take reality more seriously.
Well, the notion that we live in a simulation is essentially Berkelian idealism, which has been floating around for at least a couple of centuries and arguably a lot longer (certainly everyone has wondered at some point, "what if it's all a dream ?"). We've already had plenty of time to get use to the idea, so if it was somehow thought to be actually true, nothing much would happen.
Same as discovering aliens. When we actually do detect an alien signal or some microfossils, or even actual living microbes, I predict the reaction will be... not much. We've been writing stories about it since basically forever - it isn't a revolutionary concept anymore. Shock value is extremely hard to maintain. Sure, discovery of aliens would cause a big press hoo-hah. But unless we actually get an alien spaceship landing on the proverbial White House lawn (or equivalent), it isn't going to change anything fundamental on the long term. Anything we can't actually interact with becomes an abstraction.
Climate change is also a good example. Here's the rub : what can any of us actua
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Well, the notion that we live in a simulation is essentially Berkelian idealism, which has been floating around for at least a couple of centuries and arguably a lot longer (certainly everyone has wondered at some point, "what if it's all a dream ?"). We've already had plenty of time to get use to the idea, so if it was somehow thought to be actually true, nothing much would happen.
Same as discovering aliens. When we actually do detect an alien signal or some microfossils, or even actual living microbes, I predict the reaction will be... not much. We've been writing stories about it since basically forever - it isn't a revolutionary concept anymore. Shock value is extremely hard to maintain. Sure, discovery of aliens would cause a big press hoo-hah. But unless we actually get an alien spaceship landing on the proverbial White House lawn (or equivalent), it isn't going to change anything fundamental on the long term. Anything we can't actually interact with becomes an abstraction.
Climate change is also a good example. Here's the rub : what can any of us actually do about it ? In the case of aliens or simulations, nothing. I can't see why that would make me like or dislike my friends and family any more than I do already : what bearing would it have on anything ? I'm stuck with the reality I have before me. Knowledge of what it "really" is doesn't change anything at all for me : I still experience the same pleasures and pains, so I can't see what difference it would make practically (this is not at all the same as saying I wouldn't find it hugely interesting, however !).
(In the case of climate change, this is a bit tangential, but the answer is still "not much" individually - real differences require different power generation, farming techniques, societal structures, etc. none of which any individual has any real influence over)
It's not numbness, or even indifference. It's just that these things are orthogonal. I think you're taking it for granted that knowledge of reality should fundamentally change behaviour, but I cannot really see why this should be the case. Atomic theory hasn't altered family dynamics - I think it would be extremely strange if it did !
Culture changes enormously, as I said, and I agree that this is largely due to external factors : I'm not disagreeing with you on that one significantly. I further agree that the world would be a better place if more people were more concerned about the bigger issues than the humdrum superficial stuff. It's disappointing and, yes, even a little weird that they're not. But I can't see why any sort of discovery would, or even should, change something as fundamental as the nature of friendships and families. Material concerns could and should be mitigated, but I would think the chain of thought from "what is the nature of reality ?" to "how many eggs do I need to buy today ?" is so convoluted as to make these essentially unrelated questions. Likewise, why would knowing that you're made of atoms or dreams affect whether you fancy someone or enjoy playing tennis or having a beer ? I can't see why it would.
It is one thing for fictional ideas to be around for ages, another to prove one of them is real. The example was to show how a shocking discovery should shock people.
Shock value is extremely hard to maintain.
I am talking about the initial shock value that does not seem to happen to begin with in many cases in regards to the contrast between reality and society.
Anything we can't actually interact with becomes an abstraction.
I bet is not about interaction as it is about stimulation. There are many people in awe and shock about galaxies, or cells, or biology, or maths, or other parts of reality, as they are about celebrities, movies, fantasy stories and other things they cannot touch, interact with. It is all about what you stimulate people, culturally, to be interested in.
Like climate change, there are many who react to this bad piece of "news" and are active about trying to do something about it. Where is that motivation coming from since they seem to have no impact on the course of it anyway? It comes from what
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It is one thing for fictional ideas to be around for ages, another to prove one of them is real. The example was to show how a shocking discovery should shock people.
Shock value is extremely hard to maintain.
I am talking about the initial shock value that does not seem to happen to begin with in many cases in regards to the contrast between reality and society.
Anything we can't actually interact with becomes an abstraction.
I bet is not about interaction as it is about stimulation. There are many people in awe and shock about galaxies, or cells, or biology, or maths, or other parts of reality, as they are about celebrities, movies, fantasy stories and other things they cannot touch, interact with. It is all about what you stimulate people, culturally, to be interested in.
Like climate change, there are many who react to this bad piece of "news" and are active about trying to do something about it. Where is that motivation coming from since they seem to have no impact on the course of it anyway? It comes from whatever these people have in their heads. That motivates them.
If you don't feel like doing anything about the climate issue then it is all because you may not realize the importance of it or whatever makes you think is not worth your energy. But in the end is all about what we have in our brains, and that comes form the environment (culture). And this culture/system is a lot, if not most, about consumption and stupid things, so that's what people have in their brains. Of course they cannot get too excited about galaxies or atoms, but they get a lot of excitement when Prince H marries with Princess A, or about some fictional TV show. These are advertised to them a lot.
Atomic theory hasn't altered family dynamics - I think it would be extremely strange if it did !
People used to get married with their cousins or even closer relatives not long ago. It was normal. I think even Darwin married his cousin. Now because of some cultural shits and knowing that it is a bad idea (genetically speaking) to mate with closer relatives, this notion seems disgusting for many. Discoveries, bits of reality, can change and should change the way we think about mundane things.
Knowing that we are all made out of atoms should make us rethink our culturally inherited values such as fictional borders, human behavior, man made laws, and so forth. Why? Because we are part of a greater story and we are all part of the same system. A planet, an ecosystem, dependent on nature, and so forth.
But I can't see why any sort of discovery would, or even should, change something as fundamental as the nature of friendships and families
Simply because there is no nature about these things.
Even today there are tribes where children are raised by the entire community and have no notions of parents. Or their relationships are vastly different from the rest of the "civilized" world.
Humans are like plasticine molded by their environment. It is simply that our culture/system is the same for thousands of years: trade, have jobs, mate, have kids, retire, die. Humans are busy at least 8h every day, and when they finish work/school they are so tired that at the best they can chew is simplistic and dumbed down media produced by the same system of trade (workers) trying to sell stuff. It is a self propelled idiocracy that makes people unable to know and digest the complexity of reality that science is discovering. I think that's a better explanation of this situation.
Imagine you take a fish from the sea and the fish could suddenly talk and understand you. You explain to him about the world, the planet, the water, the evolution. If they fish is not even curious, let alone shocked about what you enlighten him with, then I think we should probably consider the fish as non-intelligent, or incapable of understanding. No?
You put the fish back in the sea and he goes on about being a fish for the rest of his life. Why would anything change for him no?
To me this makes the fish look "stupid". Primitive. Incapable of grasping a greater reality.
With humans is different since we know they have the capacity to wonder about greater things that they cannot touch or even see. They are capable. So when they are not touched by mindblowing discoveries about reality, then it is a different explanation as of why that is, rather than "it is normal" or they are "incapable" of grasping. Again, looking at the system of trade, this society we live in, I think we can understand, as I explained, why they are not touched much about reality, but are very touched about all sort of things: fictional stories, movies, consumerism, etc..
Politics, a cringe show. And USA has the most popular of the shows.
Empty words, rich people, a cult of following. Nothing changes: most people have to trade their lives to survive (work), the rich are getting richer, inequality on the rise, the destruction of nature is flourishing. More idiots, more stupidity, shittier and fake lives.
Planet Trade. Welcome. Very predictable. Enjoy the show, slurp the fantasies.
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