I have to say, although I am a big fan of Friendica and how powerful and awesome it is, Mastodon is very polished. Really great job @Eugen ! Looks modern, fast, constant improvements. Looks really good.
Thanks for the info. 500GB for 100 users seems like a lot. I host Friendica with 500 users and the diskspace does not exceed 10GB. Why the diskspace is so huge for you?
I managed to calm myself down and almost finished the website that I will release to make some money. I will share it here once it is done. I am trying to, of course, keep it as honest and genuine as possible. I will provide a "service". That is: making websites based on monthly subscriptions, from Wordpress websites (these can be personal websites, or online shops and whatever else), to instances for Peertube, Mastodon, Nextcloud, Friendica and a few more. All are a lot cheaper than what I've seen on other websites.
The idea is to find 20 or so. Just that. So that it can provide me with a basic-income basically, so that I can keep myself and the TROM project alive. So that I also have the time to do these free projects.
I do not want to overwork myself, and I also want to provide quality stuff not make tons of websites and make them like shit. So anyway, soon I will share that website here and maybe I won't ever again. I will make a Friendica page for it. I do not want to talk about trades and "offers" on my personal Friendica account.
Bu yeah, it will be up and
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I managed to calm myself down and almost finished the website that I will release to make some money. I will share it here once it is done. I am trying to, of course, keep it as honest and genuine as possible. I will provide a "service". That is: making websites based on monthly subscriptions, from Wordpress websites (these can be personal websites, or online shops and whatever else), to instances for Peertube, Mastodon, Nextcloud, Friendica and a few more. All are a lot cheaper than what I've seen on other websites.
The idea is to find 20 or so. Just that. So that it can provide me with a basic-income basically, so that I can keep myself and the TROM project alive. So that I also have the time to do these free projects.
I do not want to overwork myself, and I also want to provide quality stuff not make tons of websites and make them like shit. So anyway, soon I will share that website here and maybe I won't ever again. I will make a Friendica page for it. I do not want to talk about trades and "offers" on my personal Friendica account.
Bu yeah, it will be up and running soon. Then will plan my next moves ;).
On another note, remember when I was saying that they fined us 2.300 Euros for speeding? Basically they sent the fines for a year to a wrong address because of their own mismanagement of things. And we paid a lot more because we didn't "pay in time", even tho we got no notifications. Anyway, now we got another 350 Euros fine for not paying that fine faster or something like that, who knows...God bless Spain and the entire world. Wonderful society!
Damn it is so hard to even make a website about webdesign, to "sell" myself. I am thinking how hard is it to make websites for others. I manage over 30 websites and work on a 6h documentary, I wrote thousands of pages of books, and so forth. But that's all done because I wanted to do them and I find value in them. I do not trade them. I make them for their value. But now I have to do stuff in return for food, electricity, and so forth. This society is so primitive. If from the 2nd day I feel annoyed....how am I gonna do this?! :D
I will take a break and try to push myself later on. I want do be done with this webdesign website, then I need to contact a bunch of random "businesses" to make websites for them. Likely I won't find any. But then I have to try 2 more things: work in cleaning in the weekends for the summer, and work for an "IT" company if I can and am accepted.
This society is disgusting. To be unable to focus on what you love doing, to not be able to survive unless you trade yourself. Wake up morons. The only reason you may not see the fuckery is because you
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Damn it is so hard to even make a website about webdesign, to "sell" myself. I am thinking how hard is it to make websites for others. I manage over 30 websites and work on a 6h documentary, I wrote thousands of pages of books, and so forth. But that's all done because I wanted to do them and I find value in them. I do not trade them. I make them for their value. But now I have to do stuff in return for food, electricity, and so forth. This society is so primitive. If from the 2nd day I feel annoyed....how am I gonna do this?! :D
I will take a break and try to push myself later on. I want do be done with this webdesign website, then I need to contact a bunch of random "businesses" to make websites for them. Likely I won't find any. But then I have to try 2 more things: work in cleaning in the weekends for the summer, and work for an "IT" company if I can and am accepted.
This society is disgusting. To be unable to focus on what you love doing, to not be able to survive unless you trade yourself. Wake up morons. The only reason you may not see the fuckery is because you got used to the smell of it. It is like shitting yourself and getting used with the smell.
Ok. I may rant a lot these following weeks/months but I need this else I can't continue in this society where I am forced/enslaved to do the things I do not want to do. At least I can still vent a bit here and there. #tromlive
These past days many people seem to have migrated to the fediverse and some are complaining about the limitations of Mastodon for example, since most are using that (it is the most popular). Mastodon is great, is sleek, well developed, and I'd say looks the best and is the most reliable perhaps. But some people want better features and I ended up replying to them individually. I am making this post to explain why I moved from Mastodon to Friendica and why I chose Friendica despite trying a lot of other alternatives.
The great things about Friendica:
It is very easy to use; the default Frio theme it comes with looks very intuitive. For our instance we have created custom themes social.trom.tf so that it looks even better in my view.
Connects with pretty much everything. Mastodon, Pleroma, H
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These past days many people seem to have migrated to the fediverse and some are complaining about the limitations of Mastodon for example, since most are using that (it is the most popular). Mastodon is great, is sleek, well developed, and I'd say looks the best and is the most reliable perhaps. But some people want better features and I ended up replying to them individually. I am making this post to explain why I moved from Mastodon to Friendica and why I chose Friendica despite trying a lot of other alternatives.
The great things about Friendica:
It is very easy to use; the default Frio theme it comes with looks very intuitive. For our instance we have created custom themes social.trom.tf so that it looks even better in my view.
Connects with pretty much everything. Mastodon, Pleroma, Hubzilla, Lemmy, Peertube....
Can follow RSS sources as "normal contacts". That's amazing since you can follow websites directly.
You can create huge posts, format the text (basic formatting), add inline media, and even use markdown.
You can setup any contact (even RSS sources) to auto repost their posts. For example we also have a Peertube account and I setup that so when we post a new video on Peertube, it also goes to our Friendica page. As native post or re-share, up to you. So awesome!
Has a calendar and you can schedule and organize events.
Has very well defined "news feeds": chronologically, based on activity, or based on your participation.
Auto contact discovery or random profile discovery.
Can integrate with Twitter so you can post to your twitter from friendica, or interact/connect/follow anyone on twitter.
You can setup your profile in different ways, such as a page, personal profile, or even forum.
You can have multiple profiles under 1 account.
Send private messages in a mail-like interface.
Follow search results or tags.
Ignore/block contacts.
Filter/block the posts based on language or other rules.
2FA authentication.
You can use it as your email client and receive/send emails too (did not test this tho).
Works with Mastodon's API so any Mastodon app/client should work with Friendica too.
It is developed by some very very nice people!
The not-so-perfect:
Their default theme needs some improvements in my view. People may look at that and think that this is not a very modern social network. Mastodon nails it!
Their website needs to be a lot more attractive. People going there have no clue about how awesome Frendica is.
Should handle video platform embedding better.
Maybe should add reactions to posts.
Should better handle images - how they are displayed and such.
Should have an "app"....I do not use phones really, so this does not affect me, but nowadays this can be important.
Maybe that's all. Anyone feel free to let me know if I've missed anything and I can edit the post.
You can use it as your email client and receive/send emails too (did not test this tho).
Wait, what? Do you mean any user on a Friendica instance can do that? If yes, how? Or is it an option that the admin has to activate?
Connects with pretty much everything. Mastodon, Pleroma, Hubzilla, Lemmy, Peertube....
I think this "talk to everyone" approach of Friendica is one of its main strength, especially wrt other fedi platforms. There are two main precisions that I can bring about this
devs actually cooperate to implement other's protocols and objects. This is why it works so well with Lemmy and also why it works at all with Diaspora
the broad set of features plays a role. For example, Mastodon has a character limit and does not have downvotes, which make sense in their pure microblogging perspective but which limits the experience of interacting with Peertube
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Very nice list !
You can use it as your email client and receive/send emails too (did not test this tho).
Wait, what? Do you mean any user on a Friendica instance can do that? If yes, how? Or is it an option that the admin has to activate?
Connects with pretty much everything. Mastodon, Pleroma, Hubzilla, Lemmy, Peertube....
I think this "talk to everyone" approach of Friendica is one of its main strength, especially wrt other fedi platforms. There are two main precisions that I can bring about this
devs actually cooperate to implement other's protocols and objects. This is why it works so well with Lemmy and also why it works at all with Diaspora
the broad set of features plays a role. For example, Mastodon has a character limit and does not have downvotes, which make sense in their pure microblogging perspective but which limits the experience of interacting with Peertube
Works with Mastodon's API so any Mastodon app/client should with with Friendica too.
Yes, but, as you say it yourself later on, it lacks a dedicated app, something that does not just squeeze the content of your friendica timeline into a microblogging frontend. Really hope that @Fedilab Apps implements a more Friendlica-oriented frontend at some point, so as to get closer to their announced goal of being the multifunctional fediverse window :)
I really want to look into this as well, what an awesome feature. I set it up in options but fumbling around to get it to work at the moment, I assume it's accessible under the mail icon ... hmmm
Sorry if this double posts, my last one disappeared. Totally agree, Friendica is amazing except for a few things, the email client aspect looks amazing, but I haven't been able to figure it out just yet. It would be really great if there was a UI sprint or something for Friendica, it would make a huge difference in attracting new users IMHO
If/when instance admins on the fediverse decide to ban entire instances from connecting with theirs, they need to do so very responsibly and be 100% open and visible about it. And, I would argue, only in extreme extreme situations this should be done. This practice of banning instances is a very slippery slope and destroys all that the fediverse is.
When users have the power to ban other users and in some cases entire instances, then why on Earth are the admins taking such decisions that affect everyone?
I am sure that if this fediverse will become more popular it will get ruined by such practices. That's why I think the best is to have decentralized networks such as scuttlebutt.nz/ - that's a proper way of decentralizing. Not creating multiple twitters, but giving up on that idea of "a thing", but rather have people directly connect with other people.
I could predict a similar to trend to what happened with email: everyone masses on large instances, whose administrators serve as gatekeepers and block the smaller instances which are judged to be too wild and unruly.
Scuttlebutt is tempting, and there used to be (still is?) a service called Twister, which is completely decentralized, without any central server. But it would be much better if everyone one would simply get off those big fediverse servers and host their own instances - either at home or using a service like Mastohost.
Hubzilla, with its nomadic identity and channel cloning takes away some of the risk of depending upon a small server that could go down at some point.
Thank you for giving this well thought out answer. Its interesting you mentioned Hubzilla, because a while ago Hubzilla caught my eye because of this exact reason, the concept of nomadic identity and channel cloning really reduces a lot of the centralization and/or censorship concerns of federated networks. I haven't used hubzilla before but it sure looks interesting to me.......
Centralization is a threat to federated networks, just look at how centralized the email ecosystem is today. I don't know if scuttlebutt is the solution to this, but it sure looks interesting and I'm keeping an eye on it. I also like how @briar does it because they're even less reliant on servers. But there are some technical limitation with all these p2p networks - both person have to be online to connect, networks like scuttlebutt can't scale up because it relies on your disk space, etc.
The issue is that the vast majority of people won't and can't do that....maybe if these services could be converted as "apps" and somehow when installed to create an instance for that user, it could work. No idea how feasible this is but I am sure the vast majority of people won't setup their own instances.
What happens when the admin of some big instance decides to block you? You won't be able to communicate with anyone from that instance. So there is still an issue here with this approach.
So think about RSS. I can connect to any RSS source, openly. And have a stream of the RSS content in any RSS reader I want. I am not concerned that the xxx.xx website is going to restrict me from getting their content. I was hoping the fediverse is similar. If I want to connect to anyone from the fediverse, I can use my federated account (say selfhost) and connect with them. But now I may be faced with not being able to connect with others because my instance may get blocked. Since people cluster on instances, and instances can block other instances, then the connection between me and XXX can be interrupted at the admin level. That's an issue.
More concrete example: say someone on my instance starts spamming and be a jackass. And some instance admins decide to ban my entire instance for this 1 account. Now you isolate us (from my own instance, hundreds of people), from hundreds or thousands more (from those instances that blocked us). You, the admins, a handful of people, are taking a decision for thousands of others. Without them even knowing about it.
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So think about RSS. I can connect to any RSS source, openly. And have a stream of the RSS content in any RSS reader I want. I am not concerned that the xxx.xx website is going to restrict me from getting their content. I was hoping the fediverse is similar. If I want to connect to anyone from the fediverse, I can use my federated account (say selfhost) and connect with them. But now I may be faced with not being able to connect with others because my instance may get blocked. Since people cluster on instances, and instances can block other instances, then the connection between me and XXX can be interrupted at the admin level. That's an issue.
More concrete example: say someone on my instance starts spamming and be a jackass. And some instance admins decide to ban my entire instance for this 1 account. Now you isolate us (from my own instance, hundreds of people), from hundreds or thousands more (from those instances that blocked us). You, the admins, a handful of people, are taking a decision for thousands of others. Without them even knowing about it.
That's for sure a slippery slope. A way to hammer down any instance and sink with it hundreds/thousands of users.
Maybe my hopes about the fediverse were too high, too "idealistic", but as of right now the fediverse is clustered around a handful of big instances that have the power to nuke down smaller ones, without much transparency.
The major difference with RSS is that it is one-way so it doesn’t carry the same potential for abuse.
But let’s go back to the slippery slope. What if an instance wrongly blocks yours? Like you said, neither your users nor theirs will know about it. How can it slips down further from there? What is the fundamental difference about the network being an archipelago rather than a single island from any individual user standpoint?
And, more importantly, how is it different from regular social circles too far to interact with each other?
One of the great features of decentralized social networks is that you can create multiple accounts on multiple servers and they would all be you, with a varying potential available network for each.
Yes RSS is one way, I was expecting that comment, but the example is about that one way: to get the content from the other side. In the fediverse this can be blocked by the middleman (admin).
Like you said, neither your users nor theirs will know about it. How can it slips down further from there?
Abuse of power. Admins can shut down entire instances in seconds. I've already seen others posting about this recently, them being unable to connect with past contacts because their instance got disconnected from others @Ombra 🔵🌻 I think that was the case with you, correct?
I think there are better ways of doing this, such as removing the global timelines and/or not displaying any public posts on your instance, except those of your own users. This way your instance stays "clean" while at the same time you don't interfere with people's ability to connect with others.
It’s abuse of power, sure, but it’s abuse of a very limited power. Contrary to centralized networks where getting your account banned cuts you off the entire network, you aren’t limited to an account on a single server here. This means the policies of any given server on a decentralized network, however abusive, will never bind you personally the same way policies on a centralized network will. Is it a bummer? Sure. A slippery slope? I can’t see how, since instance blocks do not propagate automatically.
Once you start thinking about decentralized social network as an archipelago of floating islands instead of yet another big island like centralized social networks, but somehow “better”, both the advantages and the inherent drawbacks start to become apparent. Decentralized social network is a trade-off, and possibly losing connection with some of your contacts you don’t have any other ways to reach is something you have to accept.
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It’s abuse of power, sure, but it’s abuse of a very limited power. Contrary to centralized networks where getting your account banned cuts you off the entire network, you aren’t limited to an account on a single server here. This means the policies of any given server on a decentralized network, however abusive, will never bind you personally the same way policies on a centralized network will. Is it a bummer? Sure. A slippery slope? I can’t see how, since instance blocks do not propagate automatically.
Once you start thinking about decentralized social network as an archipelago of floating islands instead of yet another big island like centralized social networks, but somehow “better”, both the advantages and the inherent drawbacks start to become apparent. Decentralized social network is a trade-off, and possibly losing connection with some of your contacts you don’t have any other ways to reach is something you have to accept.
It is worth noting that both Friendica and Mastodon provide RSS feeds for any account’s public posts, so you still could hear from someone whose instance admin has decided to block your own domain.
The power is not very limited when you can nuke entire instances from communicating with your own. The practice itself is a slippery slope. If RSS feeds would be the same and refuse to work with certain RSS Readers, that would also be a slippery slope. Or the RSS readers not allowing you to import certain RSS feeds.
The communication between peers should be open. If some instance admins do not want "garbage" on their websites, then there should be smarter ways to deal with that. For one you can clean your instance's users, the ones that register with your website. Second it is better to simply not display any posts as public if they come from other instances. These are some ideas I have.
But to cut the connection with an entire instance and all of its users, seems extreme to me. And a slippery slope indeed since more and more admins will go for this primitive approach and we end up with a disconnected fediverse.
To say this is better than facebook, should not be a good argument.
The Fediverse was disconnected since its inception. Between the anarchists, the free speech extremists, the far-right conspiracy theorists and the 4chan edge lords, there’s no good reasons for all these groups to interact with each other. “Nuking an entire instance” carries less weight when you realize 99% of instances have 100 users or less (unverified numbers). It becomes more dramatic when we're talking about mastodon.social, of course, but it’s the glaring exception, not the norm.
And this domain block feature isn’t exactly secret, the “fediblock” hashtag has ben doing the round and yet not all admins block any instance on sight, most are very responsible and do not block domains lightly.
Is there abuse? Probably. Is it significant? Not really because users aren’t tied to a single server. Is it threatening to spill over uncontrollably? I can’t see how, each admin has to manually block each domain so far.
I would take issue with automated domain block lists like there are automated Twitter account block lis
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The Fediverse was disconnected since its inception. Between the anarchists, the free speech extremists, the far-right conspiracy theorists and the 4chan edge lords, there’s no good reasons for all these groups to interact with each other. “Nuking an entire instance” carries less weight when you realize 99% of instances have 100 users or less (unverified numbers). It becomes more dramatic when we're talking about mastodon.social, of course, but it’s the glaring exception, not the norm.
And this domain block feature isn’t exactly secret, the “fediblock” hashtag has ben doing the round and yet not all admins block any instance on sight, most are very responsible and do not block domains lightly.
Is there abuse? Probably. Is it significant? Not really because users aren’t tied to a single server. Is it threatening to spill over uncontrollably? I can’t see how, each admin has to manually block each domain so far.
I would take issue with automated domain block lists like there are automated Twitter account block lists because of the loss of ownership, but the base manual admin feature isn’t a concern for me.
Actual social spaces are fragmented, mostly for good reasons, and hoping that decentralized social media is a big happy family isn’t going to make it a reality. Social media network fragmentation is necessary and good.
there’s no good reasons for all these groups to interact with each other
A saner approach is to not decide for them, but let them decide for themselves. Maybe we should move passs the daddying of all people and let them decide for themselves.
And this domain block feature isn’t exactly secret, the “fediblock” hashtag has ben doing the round and yet not all admins block any instance on sight, most are very responsible and do not block domains lightly.
How are them letting the users know? Will the get notifications and such?
Is there abuse? Probably. Is it significant? Not really because users aren’t tied to a single server. I
The practice is very rudimentary and has large implications the more the fediverse will grow.
Social media network fragmentation is necessary and good.
Let the users decide what to block. Why wouldn't that be enough?
Friendica nodes have their domain block list publicly accessible at the /friendica path, including the reason why it was blocked. Not sure about Mastodon but I’m pretty sure they have a public page for it as well.
As for who should have the domain blocking feature, I’d say both. In social networking moderation is key, so more moderation tools is better than fewer. Admins have to deal with moderation reports out of their free time, so domain blocking is a valuable time-saving feature. Will it cause some disappointment among users? Of course, but again, once you stop thinking about an account on one server being the only account you’ll ever want or need like it is enforced on centralized social media, it really isn’t that big of a deal.
As an aside, user-level domain block is slightly trickier to implement, so that’s one of the reasons it isn’t available in Friendica yet.
That is very good for Friendica, however these decisions affect all users on an instance so should also be a notification for all users sent automatically when an instance is blocked.
As for who should have the domain blocking feature, I’d say both.
Yes both should have access to such tools, but admins should use it very responsibly and with a lot of transparency. And try not to use it at all. I still wonder why an admin may want to block an instance?
once you stop thinking about an account on one server being the only account you’ll ever want or need like it is enforced on centralized social media, it really isn’t that big of a deal.
I don't see how having multiple accounts is a good and comfortable approach. You have friends and such, interactions, etc., you can't switch that easily. Maybe what Hubzilla has that nomad identity can be an idea, but still you are left in the dark about what your instance is doing behind your back in terms of connectivity. You may not even have a clue that starting
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That is very good for Friendica, however these decisions affect all users on an instance so should also be a notification for all users sent automatically when an instance is blocked.
As for who should have the domain blocking feature, I’d say both.
Yes both should have access to such tools, but admins should use it very responsibly and with a lot of transparency. And try not to use it at all. I still wonder why an admin may want to block an instance?
once you stop thinking about an account on one server being the only account you’ll ever want or need like it is enforced on centralized social media, it really isn’t that big of a deal.
I don't see how having multiple accounts is a good and comfortable approach. You have friends and such, interactions, etc., you can't switch that easily. Maybe what Hubzilla has that nomad identity can be an idea, but still you are left in the dark about what your instance is doing behind your back in terms of connectivity. You may not even have a clue that starting today you are unable to contact 30% of your friends because they are being on an instance that yours just blocked.
As an aside, user-level domain block is slightly trickier to implement, so that’s one of the reasons it isn’t available in Friendica yet.
Like I told you, as an admin getting one report about an account on another instance is manageable, 10 or 100, much less. At some point you just cut your losses and block the domain. Beyond that there are some instances which bias is pretty clear from their name, their description or local timeline, and an admin might want to proactively block it not to expose their users to any upsetting content.
It isn’t about confort. If you want confort, Twitter and Facebook are for you. Decentralized social media needs some legwork by design and I believe this friction makes it less attractive for attention-seekers and a more friendly place as a result, even if it is less straightforward to use than the big silos.
And if you don’t have any other way of reaching out to your 30% friends you can lose contact with because of a domain block, they were just nice acquaintances and it’s okay to lose contact with them.
At some point you just cut your losses and block the domain.
That's what I don't get. Why block other instances. I get if you want to keep your instance focused on a particular topic, and manage your own users, but why block something that's outside your network? Because if you do that you block your users from reaching other users. Why is this an issue? I am truly asking this.
Decentralized social media needs some legwork by design
But we should not take that as something it will always be as such. Friendica chooses to have a very friendly interface and buttons for say formatting the text, instead of letting people use markdown for example. So you do try to make it more comfortable. This should be a good thing. It is not for the attention seekers, but for everyone.
The problem is rarely about preventing your users from interacting with another instance’s users, but the other way around, usually several users of an instance have been obnoxious replying to conversations your users started. Unfortunately there’s no one-way block possible nor I believe it is welcome.
And before the domain block, both instances are in the same network. Domain blocking separates them.
Thanks for the nod but this is just a simple post editing convenience feature. I’m talking about the first principles of decentralized media that, should they be changed to be more convenient for users, wouldn’t be decentralized social media anymore. You have to have free local policies per server (including domain blocks), and this requires getting acquainted with the server you joined, and possibly the other servers you’re interacting with through replies.
Also, policies can change, depending on your admin needs, which may not be well-aligned, or simply not anymore, people change. So there’s no way of guarantee a consistent expe
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The problem is rarely about preventing your users from interacting with another instance’s users, but the other way around, usually several users of an instance have been obnoxious replying to conversations your users started. Unfortunately there’s no one-way block possible nor I believe it is welcome.
And before the domain block, both instances are in the same network. Domain blocking separates them.
Thanks for the nod but this is just a simple post editing convenience feature. I’m talking about the first principles of decentralized media that, should they be changed to be more convenient for users, wouldn’t be decentralized social media anymore. You have to have free local policies per server (including domain blocks), and this requires getting acquainted with the server you joined, and possibly the other servers you’re interacting with through replies.
Also, policies can change, depending on your admin needs, which may not be well-aligned, or simply not anymore, people change. So there’s no way of guarantee a consistent experience on a decentralized social network because it is made out of thousands of individual nodes with their own policies and no central authority to appeal to should one get in trouble with heir local admin.
I am still left in the dark about my initial question: why admins may want to block entire instances? They can very well block the users from their own instance. The only reason is the global feed? If so, why not focus on that.
From what I’ve seen, it’s mainly about moderation streamlining. If your moderation policy states that you don’t tolerate Nazis and trolls, it makes sense to block the nazisandtrolls.social domain instead of each individual user on this instance.
But if those are not on your instance, why ban their entire instance and your users' ability to do whatever they want and contact whoever they want to!? Imagine if Firefox was banning websites, or gmail entire domains on the premise of values, so you can't reach those.
In any case, I am still of the opinion that such practices are destroying the core of what the fediverse tries to be. A way to connect with anyone from any instance. The fediverse gave a lot of power to small islands to manage their own resources and inhabitants. That should have been enough. Destroying the communication between bridges is not helpful for the fediverse itself.
Because no instance is truly independent from the other in the same potential network (non domain blocked). To avoid hammering servers with repeated requests, an instance keeps a local copy of all the contacts and posts local users are interacting with or mentioned in. So this process happens either at the initiative of local users (follows, likes, replies) or at the initiative of remote contacts (likes, replies, mentions).
So your server can end up harboring pretty unsavory stuff either because one of your users got mad at it and unknowingly imported it locally, or because it was pushed to your servers by a remote contact. Domain blocking is a way to stop both these behaviors and ensure no content from blocked domains will end up being saved locally on your server.
Search engines have to deal with this too. And so many other services. Nuking entire URLs and having the effect it has (breaking connections in the fediverse) is not at all a good approach in my view. Especially when this content is temporary. It concerns me this attitude of not looking at the ramifications of such actions/approaches. It makes instance admins not simply guards of their own backyard, but possible roadblocks of the entire fediverse network.
Recently our matrix server was banned from e Linux Matrix chatroom because of 1 spambot account that I was not aware of. Now is our matrix server a spam server? No. And so all of us from our server are unable to join that community. That's a direct example of such an approach.
At the same time, domain blocking isn't automated nor definitive, so you can always appeal to the admin of the instance you're blocked from. Both the block and the admin account are public information, so there's always a chance at resolving a potential misunderstanding. This is also an upside of the Fediverse, there always are humans on the other end. They might not unblock your domain, but at least you can try.
But this is besides the point. Why make things so difficult in the first place? The reason I know about that incident is that someone told me. Then I could not find that admin's contacts. Who knows if our Friendica or Peertube are blocked by other instances....I cannot tell that at all. And this is really sad to be honest. This should be handled in a much much better way.
The bottom line is that domain blocking is simple, it is effective, sometimes too much, granted, but it doesn't threaten decentralized social network, only the vision you share about it where everybody should be able to connect with anybody else. I agree this is sad but there's no slippery slope, on the contrary, individual domain blocks are becoming less and less significant as more decentralized social network servers are started, and potential connection opportunities keep growing despite the few domain blocks.
Simply because domain blocking is "simple" for instance admins, makes this a slippery slope of cutting off the connections in the fediverse, without having a good reason as to why they are doing this except the fact that some unwanted posts are temporarily cached on these instances. And these can also be hiddne from public viewing if the admins want that. That's the only reason.
Not worth playing around with this blind game of disconnecting the fediverse. Let me repeat: I have a few instances (Peertube, Friendica) and I have 0 clues if I am disconnected from other instances and if so why. No clue. No one notified me. There is no notification for the current users when such decisions are taken either. So we are all in the unknown.
That's the truth. You have a very optimistic view of this situation, but my experience doesn't make me optimistic. I know a girl @Cleo of Topless Topics who got banned from so many platforms because she decides to be nude.
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Simply because domain blocking is "simple" for instance admins, makes this a slippery slope of cutting off the connections in the fediverse, without having a good reason as to why they are doing this except the fact that some unwanted posts are temporarily cached on these instances. And these can also be hiddne from public viewing if the admins want that. That's the only reason.
Not worth playing around with this blind game of disconnecting the fediverse. Let me repeat: I have a few instances (Peertube, Friendica) and I have 0 clues if I am disconnected from other instances and if so why. No clue. No one notified me. There is no notification for the current users when such decisions are taken either. So we are all in the unknown.
That's the truth. You have a very optimistic view of this situation, but my experience doesn't make me optimistic. I know a girl @Cleo of Topless Topics who got banned from so many platforms because she decides to be nude. We let her post her videos on our Peertube and create a Friendica account with us. If people see her nipples on the fediverse and they know that they can report to the admins, and the admins take the decision to cut the connection with us altogether, then that's messed up.
One time I posted by mistake a Friendica event and it was sent to a dozen of people, to then almost being banned (instance wise) from some instances for my mistake. Maybe some banned us for that.
In any case, it is a sad truth about the fediverse and the fact that the people who work on such platforms or are admins, do not see this as a problem, makes me even more concerned.
I understand your position, but I don't share it. If you persist believing the central idea of social network (centralized or decentralized) is that each account should be able to connect to any other regardless of anyone else's opinion, you will be disappointed time and again.
At this point I believe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of decentralized social media on your part. You can't empower users and admins (which IS one of the goals of decentralized social media) without these arbitrary boundaries appearing. And for the overwhelming part, they are good and healthy, favoring smaller social circles where speech can truly flourish, away from the social pressure that comes from performing in public like in centralized networks.
This does close some connection opportunities and it's sad in the abstract, but the quality of the exchanges people are able to experience on the Fediverse compared to mostly performative platforms life Facebook and Twitter makes it clear that a fragmented network is a better way forward than a single big tent that ends up favoring the peopl
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I understand your position, but I don't share it. If you persist believing the central idea of social network (centralized or decentralized) is that each account should be able to connect to any other regardless of anyone else's opinion, you will be disappointed time and again.
At this point I believe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of decentralized social media on your part. You can't empower users and admins (which IS one of the goals of decentralized social media) without these arbitrary boundaries appearing. And for the overwhelming part, they are good and healthy, favoring smaller social circles where speech can truly flourish, away from the social pressure that comes from performing in public like in centralized networks.
This does close some connection opportunities and it's sad in the abstract, but the quality of the exchanges people are able to experience on the Fediverse compared to mostly performative platforms life Facebook and Twitter makes it clear that a fragmented network is a better way forward than a single big tent that ends up favoring the people looking for attention or, worse, targets.
And yeah, in the process some people like you will be disappointed, I'm sorry about that but I don't believe there's any way around it without sacrificing what makes decentralized social media what it is.
But I do understand that islands with their own owners can create curated islands of focused and like-minded people. However I still do not see a real reason of destroying bridges when no one can enter your island unless you let them. Global feeds and public posts from other instances could be hidden from the public view for example. So yah, you still have full control over your island. No need to destroy any bridge.
Ok I get it. That's what I was suspecting to be the reason. Now, don't you think there can be better solutions to this? Like say when you block an instance to have the posts coming from there not visible on your instance at all? That's what bothers you, the fact that such posts can be temporarily cached on your server, so I think the smartest solution is to deal with that, rather than killing the connection with an instance, in the name of all users.
I believe that in Germany website publishers like Montag are liable for what shows on it, including user-submitted content. So in this particular case it isn't just about inconvenience for local users.
More generally, if you believe your 100 users would want to block the 100 accounts on a specific server, it is way cheaper to block the domain (1 operation) than to let your users deal with the remote users with 10,000 potential operations to be done, while being exposed to potentially upsetting content in the process.
More specifically, knowing that a certain kind of people can't freely interject in your conversation encourages interactions, and domain blocks are a way to achieve that. The decision to block mastodon.social from marginalized community-centric instances fits into this motivation. Since m.s is very popular, it is likely to harbor a large number of people that are clueless or vaguely hostile to queer people, and the size of the instance make moderation through forwarded reports challenging. As a result some niche queer instances decided to cut themselves fr
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I believe that in Germany website publishers like Montag are liable for what shows on it, including user-submitted content. So in this particular case it isn't just about inconvenience for local users.
More generally, if you believe your 100 users would want to block the 100 accounts on a specific server, it is way cheaper to block the domain (1 operation) than to let your users deal with the remote users with 10,000 potential operations to be done, while being exposed to potentially upsetting content in the process.
More specifically, knowing that a certain kind of people can't freely interject in your conversation encourages interactions, and domain blocks are a way to achieve that. The decision to block mastodon.social from marginalized community-centric instances fits into this motivation. Since m.s is very popular, it is likely to harbor a large number of people that are clueless or vaguely hostile to queer people, and the size of the instance make moderation through forwarded reports challenging. As a result some niche queer instances decided to cut themselves from m.s which allows them to cultivate a welcoming corner of the Fediverse without having to fear mastodon.social users unwarrantedly jumping in their conversations.
I believe that in Germany website publishers like Montag are liable for what shows on it, including user-submitted content. So in this particular case it isn't just about inconvenience for local users.
If that's the case then I'd like to see Montag saying that, but what I see is a completely different attitude. And that's what concerns me. His/her attitude was that of not liking certain groups of people/content and that's why the decisions that are taken. And speaking of such laws, it is unbelievable that these folks don't realize this is not helping anyone. Only big corporations may take advantage of this because they have the means to hire a special dep to deal with these, while smaller ones do not. So yeah....another way of shutting down smaller organizations.
More generally, if you believe your 100 users would want to block the 100 accounts on a specific server, it is way cheaper to block the domain (1 operation) than to let your users deal with the remote users with 10,000 potential operations to be done, while being exposed to poten
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I believe that in Germany website publishers like Montag are liable for what shows on it, including user-submitted content. So in this particular case it isn't just about inconvenience for local users.
If that's the case then I'd like to see Montag saying that, but what I see is a completely different attitude. And that's what concerns me. His/her attitude was that of not liking certain groups of people/content and that's why the decisions that are taken. And speaking of such laws, it is unbelievable that these folks don't realize this is not helping anyone. Only big corporations may take advantage of this because they have the means to hire a special dep to deal with these, while smaller ones do not. So yeah....another way of shutting down smaller organizations.
More generally, if you believe your 100 users would want to block the 100 accounts on a specific server, it is way cheaper to block the domain (1 operation) than to let your users deal with the remote users with 10,000 potential operations to be done, while being exposed to potentially upsetting content in the process.
For one, it is an exaggeration that users have to deal with so much content. You won't see any posts if you do not follow certain people. Using the global feed is yet another thing. It is named "global" for a reason. It is so easy to curate your feeds. Second, I sure do not agree that it is better to have the admin decide to ban entire instances, same way I do not think it is better for Apple to delete child porn from people's devices, since these are a slippery slope event and will never stop at that.
This isn't about outsiders seeing upsetting content on your server, it's about your own users seeing upsetting content on your server, whether it comes from local users or remote users. So your simplistic solution about the global feed covers a non-existing problem.
Beyond that, by default remote contacts can and will frequently enter your island unless you chose to have a truly private server with no federation enabled. And domain blocking is just part of the control you have as an admin.
This attitude is going to make the fediverse a limited place of few islands that are isolated from the rest. It destroys what the fediverse had to offer: a way for anyone to connect with anyone, in the network. It is the kind of attitude that I was suspecting many admins have, and that's why I call it a slippery slope event, and concerns me what the fediverse is or will become.
Apples decided to scan and delete child porn images from people's devices. A decision that invades people's privacy. They argue it is for a good cause. But we are naive to think such an attitude won't bleed into other areas/interests/topics. Maybe piracy is next. Encryption is great, despite terrorists using it for bad purposes. Same with the fediverse, if we want to keep it great and a way for anyone to connect with anyone, we have to be careful about what compromises we make. Because if we start to ban entire instances, a decision we take for others not only for us, that will affect a lot of people, then this will also bleed out. That's my concern.
You decide what "upsetting" is, for others. This is upsetting indeed. That's one. Second users have full control over their feed. It is not like they are constantly attacked from outside, and if they are, they can protect themselves. They have the tools.
Third, remote users cannot enter your instance, they can only interact with the people on your instance, correct? And so, is up to people how they interact with these remote users.
My server is also in Germany, and yet I do not block anything and anyone. I think it is worth standing against such BS rules, made by the people who know nothing about human behavior or the technology they try to change.
Do you realize that you are defending the existence of hypothetical communication bridges by telling admins and users what to do with their instance/accounts? Now this is becoming a little concerning to me, and it may sound vaguely threatening to your own users. What if you decide not to take any moderation action when you receive a report from one of your users because you believe it's better to leave bridges open? Now this is a slippery slope that can easily be extrapolated from what you've expressed in this conversation, and I urge you to reconsider your position.
You have to be absolutely clear that you will protect your users against internal and external threats because the moment they chose your instance to sign on, they trusted you with that power, including banning whole instances if the need arises. And you dismissing this power as damaging sends a worrying signal that you may just not use the moderation tools at your disposal to favor your own conception of decentralized social media.
I do respect your opinion but I'm afraid it doesn't put you in a favorable
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Do you realize that you are defending the existence of hypothetical communication bridges by telling admins and users what to do with their instance/accounts? Now this is becoming a little concerning to me, and it may sound vaguely threatening to your own users. What if you decide not to take any moderation action when you receive a report from one of your users because you believe it's better to leave bridges open? Now this is a slippery slope that can easily be extrapolated from what you've expressed in this conversation, and I urge you to reconsider your position.
You have to be absolutely clear that you will protect your users against internal and external threats because the moment they chose your instance to sign on, they trusted you with that power, including banning whole instances if the need arises. And you dismissing this power as damaging sends a worrying signal that you may just not use the moderation tools at your disposal to favor your own conception of decentralized social media.
I do respect your opinion but I'm afraid it doesn't put you in a favorable position as an instance admin yourself, or one geared towards a specific kind of audience you may not even want yourself.
This is an utterly privileged position I will not discuss further. You have made your point very clearly, and I hope it won't put any of your users in the awkward position of disavowing their own instance admin.
I did not create a kindergarten and decided to take care of a bunch of children. The Internet should not act like that especially for such platforms like social networks and the like, that should be public spaces. Humans have a lot of tools at their disposal to defend themselves. Else you try to become the judge and jury and this never ends up well. Facebook, Youtube, and the like are all like that. And the result is a mix-bag of censorship and a lot of crap orbiting around, plus they don't fix anything.
It is not like my instance is a wild wild west, but I think is a lot more wise and smart to deal with it like I just described. There is no slippery slope for me, since there is no slope to begin with. I clearly say my instance is trade-free for anyone and it is the users' own responsibility what they post. A slope is created when you empower yourself as the judge and jury, and the more you do that, the more slippery it becomes because you have to deal with decisions (who to ban, what to ban).
If I were running a bar in analogue life, I would just as well take the right not to let people with certain opinions in. My server, my rules.
But that's what I'm trying to say, that you can manage your own bar. But you also tell your customers who they are allowed to call from that bar or not. You tell them they are not even allowed to call the other bar because you've heard there are nazis there. That's the issue that I see. Manage your bar, but don't cut off the signal to the other bars for all of your customers. That's a bad practice.
And thanks for engaging I don't want to stress anyone with these, but I think it is important to discuss such topics.
You may think that you allow for maximum freedom with your self-described style of hands-free moderation on your server, but this actually restricts it mostly to people who aren't already marginalized and who need this kind of proactive moderation to feel comfortable on a server.
You don't want to be judge and jury and deal with moderation decisions, it's up to you, but this already is a decision you made that has actual consequences. So you've already been judge and you've decided you don't want to be moderation judge, which makes your server unwelcome for people who would expect you to be the judge so they don't have to, because they don't want to be judge either.
That's a very weird judo move :D - If I let people post what they want, I become a judge and jury because I do not want to moderate their conversations!? It is like me having no opinion about gay people, and that makes me have an opinion by not having one :P.
In any case, I do not tell people how to use our Matrix chat, our Friendica instance, or any of our tools. They are tools. A service. This make them better in my view because for one it does not restrict people, and second I do not put myself in a sketchy position to manage the online life of others. Imagine if I were to remove websites from our Searx search results....or not allow people to join some Matrix chatrooms...to me this is insane to even think of managing things this way.
This was not meant to be a gotcha, but a real consequence of your decision not to take moderation decisions. And yes, not having an opinion may be considered having an opinion, and not necessarily the good one. Desmond Tutu reportedly said "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."
Like I said, by positioning yourself away from moderation decisions, you end up attracting users who do not need these moderation decisions while repelling users who do need you to take moderation decisions. You don't need to change your mind, but you need to be aware that your decision influences what audience your server is favoring.
All decisions have some sort of consequences, of course. But my decision is to not judge what the users posts, thus I am not a "judge" of any sort. Not having an opinion is simply not having one. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - this can be true in some cases, and not in other cases. It depends if you think it is a situation of injustice. If you do, and have no opinion, I may agree with that quote. May.
In my case it is not a situation of injustice. So me not wanting to moderate does not mean I encourage the trolls. I like EFF's stance on privacy and how they understand that if Apple scans people's devices for child porn images, then that's a slippery slope and we have to avoid such decisions. They understand the evolution of such approaches. And I find it similar to the situation the fediverse. The same way Apple wants (in theory) to do something good (prevent child porn), the fediverse admins want to protect their users from nazis and trolls. But their approaches are gonna bleed and expand and mutate over time, b
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All decisions have some sort of consequences, of course. But my decision is to not judge what the users posts, thus I am not a "judge" of any sort. Not having an opinion is simply not having one. "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - this can be true in some cases, and not in other cases. It depends if you think it is a situation of injustice. If you do, and have no opinion, I may agree with that quote. May.
In my case it is not a situation of injustice. So me not wanting to moderate does not mean I encourage the trolls. I like EFF's stance on privacy and how they understand that if Apple scans people's devices for child porn images, then that's a slippery slope and we have to avoid such decisions. They understand the evolution of such approaches. And I find it similar to the situation the fediverse. The same way Apple wants (in theory) to do something good (prevent child porn), the fediverse admins want to protect their users from nazis and trolls. But their approaches are gonna bleed and expand and mutate over time, because their approaches have repercussions. It is the approach that is to blame.
Like I said, by positioning yourself away from moderation decisions, you end up attracting users who do not need these moderation decisions while repelling users who do need you to take moderation decisions. Y
Look....why Friendica has all sorts of tools to allow users to protect themselves? Because you too think that users should have these tools. Are you saying these tools are not enough?
This question is absurd, I could turn it around back at you, why Friendica has all sorts of tools for admins to protect their servers? Because we think admins should have them. Not all admins use them, you're a good example of that, so why should users have to use their tools?
I never said admins should not have the tools you provide them with. I said that blocking entire instances is a very bad practice for admins. And should be done very carefully and transparently if it is done. But you seemed to ignore that users have tremendous power over managing their own online lives. You can ignore or block anyone, even delete their posts from your face :).
Scanning users' devices for potential child porn makes the police's job easier. That's what they will say. I still think the trade-off is not worth it. Or scanning the Internet traffic for pirated content, and so on. Same here, the trade-off is not worth it. It is so easy to manage your own federated life that is not worth enforcing the practice of disconnecting the network from itself, little by little.
I can see it in myself these days when I was forced to think of how to make money, that I try to maximize my own gain, and then try to justify that I am doing a good trade and I am not a bad human at all haha. Like if I were to make websites and host them, then I see how much it costs to rent a server and add on top of that as much as possible to charge a "customer" for it :)). That's how it works.
If I were to make websites for friends, trade-free, my goal will be to minimize the costs, and make it better and more reliable, but if I do it as a trade-based service, my goal is to maximize my trade advantages. And people who believe this is not evil or that bad, or that they are still good humans because they find a balance there, they are self delusional.
Even if I march for this trade-free approach and hate this bullshit trade-based society, I will get corrupted the moment I engage in trades. But I am forced to do it. And I will make some money somehow. I need to support TROM and myself. Because one without the other, can not exist probably.
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I can see it in myself these days when I was forced to think of how to make money, that I try to maximize my own gain, and then try to justify that I am doing a good trade and I am not a bad human at all haha. Like if I were to make websites and host them, then I see how much it costs to rent a server and add on top of that as much as possible to charge a "customer" for it :)). That's how it works.
If I were to make websites for friends, trade-free, my goal will be to minimize the costs, and make it better and more reliable, but if I do it as a trade-based service, my goal is to maximize my trade advantages. And people who believe this is not evil or that bad, or that they are still good humans because they find a balance there, they are self delusional.
Even if I march for this trade-free approach and hate this bullshit trade-based society, I will get corrupted the moment I engage in trades. But I am forced to do it. And I will make some money somehow. I need to support TROM and myself. Because one without the other, can not exist probably.
I will try to not even talk about my trade-based journey here or anywhere if I can. Let's see. I feel ashamed for even thinking of doing this, of charging other humans in return for something else. It is disgusting. But I have no choice, so at least I justify it as such. Maybe after TROM II is released more people can help me financially to continue this TROM journey.
Until then, keep calm and make some money. #tromlive
@Tio You're very honest and down to earth when you speak, I like that. The sad truth is that most people don't even realize why trading is such a harmful behavior, so they never feel guilty of doing it. Someone reading this post might think you're gonna do some really corrupt thing to make money, lol, without realizing that you spend almost your entire life trying to help people understand why trading itself is corrupt. The things you describe here as "corrupt" is unfortunately the normal way of life for a lot of people, and I can't blame them when most of them are forced to do it just like you.
@Tio Its very sad to read this, but I understand why it happened when TROM is such a criminally underrated project. Seriously, if there were like a ratio of importance vs how underrated a project is, then TROM would hit number one on that list.
BTW, I really like how you handled this situation in a positive way, never giving up on TROM and keep on fighting no matter what. Honestly you are such an inspiration for everyone. I'm sure one day people will realize the importance of what you're doing, but until that day there might be many more hurdles like this we have to overcome.
Tried to force an upgrade on our Friendica. We have it via @YunoHost but their package is not updated since last October....meaning we are behind 2 important Friendica versions. I submitted several issues on their github page and contacted them via their chats. Hopefully they can update Friendica. I think Friendica is very underrated and because of that people may not give it much attention. Partially I think this is because Friendica needs a much better presentation website and theme....and I still plan to help them with that if they accept my help. I am just too busy these months with TROM stuff...
Now our Friendica is restored. Luckly I always do server snapshots because the YNH restore of Friendica fails with 504 timeout error after 1h of trying to restore the database.
All in all, everything is fine. We have backups and system snapshots. Is easy to keep our websites in a working state.
Big thanks to Yunohost for packaging such "apps". Without them I could not provide any. #tromlive
Meaning that the environment is what makes a dog aggressive, friendly, or whatever else. As it is to be expected. Humans spend way too much time and energy trying to find some bio-chemical reason for behavior in all kinds of creatures, including humans, yet so far nothing. Of course. Look at the environment! It is the best predictor by far for all species.
Many people believe a fat myth of today's world, that capitalism (this trade-based system) is creating diversity. Look at how many chocolates there are, cars, gadgets, software, etc.. But this is a myth. The diversity is in the package/wrapper and not the product itself. Most phones are the same, nothing new for "new releases". Cars brought almost no advantage to transportation overall for the past decades. Products in the supermarket taste quite the same between brands, and clothes are recycled fashion trends. Movies and books are remakes or copy cats of whatever sells best. And so on.
Anyway, here is a search engine we made to showcase how 175 companies own pretty much everything in this world https://www.tromsite.com/tbf/
But I want to focus on 1 particular domain: software.
Youtube, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, VK, and maybe 3-4 more, are the ones that are the most used in the world. They do not communicate with each other and are very limited in terms of functionality. It means you choose one or another, or a bunch of them and manage them separately. They are trade-based platforms (you trade your data, currency, attention to them). Full of ads, full of censorship, full of crap overall.
On the other hand the Fediverse is a network of such platforms: Friendica, Mastodon, Peertube, Pixelfed, Funkwhale, and so forth. Look at the diversity here https://fediverse.party/en/miscellaneous/ - these are made by different organizations and enabled by different people. A ton of diversity in terms of options.
These are video platforms, blog platforms, photo sharing platforms, platforms for musicians, live streaming, events, you name it. And all communicate with each other. If some organization has an account with Peertube (video platform) I can follow and interact with them from my social platform Friendica. How amazing! If I have a Peertube account and a Friendica one, I can easily setup so that when I post on Peertube a video, it goes on my Friendica too, as a post. The options are very diverse.
This "fediverse" is created not to be traded but to be shared. You will not find ads on these platforms (at least not on the vast majority of them), or data collection or any of that crap.
The MacOS and Windows vs Linux is yet another example of how diversity is actually achieved when humans do not sell their stuff and themselves, when you have a community of people who share their work and ideas. Linux comes in so many flavors for so many needs and wants. Look at this:
So if you look at software overall, the "capitalism" world, which is the trade-based world in which people make software to trade it (for data, attention, currency, etc.) is like a handful of options. But when the software is created for the sake of creating it and is shared and anyone can copy these, modify, redistribute, as trade-free, then real diversity is created and a better environment emerges overall.
We should take the software example and try to provide other goods/services in the same manner. But to do that we have to decouple humans from the trade-based society. At least when it comes to their basic needs. Else no one can have the time to engage in such things. Software is easy to create and maintain from the comfort of your home and in your space time, but is difficult when it comes to food or other goods and services. In any case there is still and abundance of such trade-free goods/services out there as we showcase here directory.trade-free.org/. But this is not enough.
So. If we want to create a wonderful society, we first have to decouple humans from this trade-based society by at least providing them with their basic needs as trade-free. That creates a good soil for the emergence of lots of trade-free goods/services, in a positive feedback loop. Imagine how much good we can create in this world. Imagine how much real diversity. Imagine how wonderful this could be.
"I fully support the international criminal court and appeal to the Russian federation to accept to cooperate with the ICC (the International Criminal Court). But when we talk of war crimes we cannot forget that the worst of crimes is war itself."
UN chief when arriving in Ukraine. I think UN is still naive by not looking at the society through a scientific perspective, look at human behavior and such, but I do like their attitude many times. In principle they try to do good things. And some people believe they are "evil". wtf. Anyway, I like to see such a figure with visibility, say something everyone should say: "when we talk of war crimes we cannot forget that the worst of crimes is war itself". Because it is.
I have this idea, and it sparked out of my anger with one of the stupidity of this society. So, listen.
I know how to make websites and via Yunohost and my basic server admin skills, I can create a video platform using Peertube and maintain it, quite easily. I already have videos.trom.tf and trom.tf as as whole.
This society seems mental when it comes to the naked human body. They see that as bad bad bad. And this is insane. At the same time guns, violence, nonsnese politics, insults and the like are ok. So videos containing nudity are banned left and right from all platforms.
I really really need some financial support to sustain our many TROM projects.
SO,
What if I make a themed Peertube instance dedicated to nudism where I/we have to manually approve the users, and rely on donations for the support? This way we can create a community for nudists and normalize it more. I can provide that and maybe I can get a bit of financially support to work on it and on my TROM stuff. The conten
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I have this idea, and it sparked out of my anger with one of the stupidity of this society. So, listen.
I know how to make websites and via Yunohost and my basic server admin skills, I can create a video platform using Peertube and maintain it, quite easily. I already have videos.trom.tf and trom.tf as as whole.
This society seems mental when it comes to the naked human body. They see that as bad bad bad. And this is insane. At the same time guns, violence, nonsnese politics, insults and the like are ok. So videos containing nudity are banned left and right from all platforms.
I really really need some financial support to sustain our many TROM projects.
SO,
What if I make a themed Peertube instance dedicated to nudism where I/we have to manually approve the users, and rely on donations for the support? This way we can create a community for nudists and normalize it more. I can provide that and maybe I can get a bit of financially support to work on it and on my TROM stuff. The content will be original and non-pornographic.
I don't know, if anyone has thoughts on this let me know.
It's a good idea in principle, the big question is over getting enough donations to sustain it. There's also the risk that siloing it too much won't help on the normalisation front.
The server costs can be 50 Euros a month for thousands of videos posted. But you have a point about isolating it and then not normalizing nudity at all....but at least to allow people to post their videos somewhere safe from being banned. We can also enable live streaming.
Let me recommend Friendica again. Big posts, inline media, text formatting, follow anyone on the fediverse, follow RSS feeds, super simple to use, modern looking, works with Mastodon's API. Our instance is here social.trom.tf and here you can see a presentation of it trom.tf/social/ .
Damn finally I have reduced and sorted 13 or more hours into less than 4. This was brutal. I have deleted a lot. But now the massive task is to try and cut these down to 2 hours. Else I may end up creating 4 more parts...idk...there are a bunch of things that we repeat and say them in different ways. But this is ALL of the footage we have. Nothing left. Next days is brainstorming about how to approach this amount of footage...
This is so cool ytb.trom.tf/watch?v=aKK7vS2CHC… - things we should talk about, dream about, be excited about. Not wars, famine, poverty, stuff stuff stuff. Sad society. But wonderful world. #tromlive
Tomorrow I'll get back to work on TROM II. Today I did none. Was not feeling like doing anything. I got overwhelmed again at how much stuff we recorded...I will for sure finish this month with the sorting of it all, then the huge task of figuring how to continue and finish the documentary. I wish I had the money to work on it for the next many months without being stressed about what I am going to do in the months after that...but is fine, I got used with the idea that I won't probably finish it in a month or even two. Will try to find a way to make money, maybe I can find a not-very-stressful job. That will be my focus in a month or so.
It is funny becasue I already have a "job" that I do daily and for that past 15 or so years. But I am not paid for it, because I am a nice human and everything I do I share it for free with everybody. And because of this attitude I have to suffer and now I have to do some other "job" that is probably retarded and only helps very few people, not the rest. And do it to survive, not that I like it.
I worked so much on TROM II these 2-3 days. And I will keep on working on. I have a massive task of putting together hundreds of individual cuts from some 20h of footage, and reduce it 10 times, plus make it in a way that makes sense.... I am probably done with some 80% of that already. It is very very very challenging. I may take a day or so off will see. Because now I don't make sense of TROM II anymore haha. Too many parts, too many things, too many clips....too much... #tromlive
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haha. I didn't even searched for it. I saw in a commend on reddit for a retarded vertical video, I was curious if people hate vertical videos as much as I do. And a few do. That made me happy + this video that is my favorite one.
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in reply to Tio • • •agreed, the mobile pwa and MetaText iOS apps are so modern.
It can stand up to the Twitter apps easily, if not better!
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