I've heard that youtube is removing the dislike count from showing and people are baffled by it. But I don't see the point of dislike buttons to be honest, not that I care about the youtube ad-platform. If you dislike something then say what you disliked about. If you like something is like "I agree with this thing". But disliking gives no one anything useful. Our obsession with counting and labeling is just insane. All documentaries I've watched so far, thousands of them, had no like/dislike buttons or counters. I read about them, watch them, and have my own opinion. Simple.
Even for our Friendica I disabled the dislike button for my profile because I find it to be a knee jerk reaction button. Maybe something akin to reddit may make more sense, vote up or down, and see the total count of it. So if you vote 100 times up and 80 times down, you get a score of 20.
In any case these counters are a result of our trade based society where we label online stuff for the purpose of trading it. Views and likes and engagements equal money or other currencies and such. Else views
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I've heard that youtube is removing the dislike count from showing and people are baffled by it. But I don't see the point of dislike buttons to be honest, not that I care about the youtube ad-platform. If you dislike something then say what you disliked about. If you like something is like "I agree with this thing". But disliking gives no one anything useful. Our obsession with counting and labeling is just insane. All documentaries I've watched so far, thousands of them, had no like/dislike buttons or counters. I read about them, watch them, and have my own opinion. Simple.
Even for our Friendica I disabled the dislike button for my profile because I find it to be a knee jerk reaction button. Maybe something akin to reddit may make more sense, vote up or down, and see the total count of it. So if you vote 100 times up and 80 times down, you get a score of 20.
In any case these counters are a result of our trade based society where we label online stuff for the purpose of trading it. Views and likes and engagements equal money or other currencies and such. Else views should make 0 sense, alongside likes and dislikes.
We have removed such things from our Peertube instance by default, so you don't know how many views, likes or dislikes a video has. It's much saner.
I know that the attention economy has given too much importance to these numbers, but I do think they have a point though. Usually people look at the like-dislike ratio on a video, so its similar to reddit in that way. Of course, the accuracy of this data depends on how many people have liked/disliked thr video and how the site deals with spam, which is an issue for sites like peertube.
My thoughts on getting rid of dislike counts.The blog post: https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/update-to-youtube/That shirt! http://shop.MKBHD.comTech I'm ...
Even for things like documentaries, more scientific and fact based documentaries may have a better like to dislike ratio compared to blatantly wrong conspiracy ones.
And often times, the like/dislike ratio tells us more about the users of a platform than the quality of the content. For example, Peertube may have more engagement in tech videos because its built around that community. On that note, Without this info, how can I recognize if a video is underrated or not ?
Watch the video and judge for yourself. I have been watching so many videos and have eaten so much online content without a like/dislike ratio. Should be as simple as that.
I've been doing the same thing for years, I never really looked at any of these numbers and have been just consuming the content YouTube recommends me, that was the only thing I used my account for, lol. This was before I got into privacy/FOSS, now I don't even use my google account :)
But just because I don't personally use this feature, doesn't mean its useless for everyone. For me its kind of a habit, I never really take a moment to look at these numbers, haha 😁
Even these videos are a proof of why the dislike count is useless. They made videos about why they disagree with youtube's decision :). That's much better than they disliking youtube's decision :). If you simply dislike something, it tells no one why you did that.
Yes, I am all for critisism. But its not always possible for everyone to go around and criticise everything they disagree with, most people won't even have the time. For example, if I saw an antivax video on peertube, its much easier for me to dislike the video instead of commenting below trying to explain why they're wrong. There's already so many online content explaining vaccines, so I don't wanna waste my time arguing with someone over this. Disliking is a passive way of disagreeing :)
When you initially decided to remove the like/dislike counts, you said the same thing and I was supportive of it. This new decision from youtube and these videos are making me rethink about this thing. I remember someone from our matrix chat saying that he uses the dislike button. He said basically what I said above, he just don't wanna spent his time criticizing every video he dislikes, that's cumbersome :)
Yes, I am all for critisism. But its not always possible for everyone to go around and criticise everything they disagree with, most people won't even have the time.
Yah am not suggesting everyone who disagrees should make a video or leave a comment about that, but disliking it also makes no sense in my view.
For example, if I saw an antivax video on peertube, its much easier for me to dislike the video instead of commenting below trying to explain why they're wrong.
Yah I get you but then why not simply ignore it? Or just dislike it and the peertube system should have an algorithm so it knows what you disliked in order to not show you those kinds of videos. But having a public counter how does it help and who does it help?
> But having a public counter how does it help and who does it help?
Public counter is used to get a rough idea of the public opinion of a video. For example, if someone made a video with a misleading thumbnail, then that video would have a poor like-dislike ratio. If someone stumbles upon a nice video, how is he supposed to know that its underrated ? Without these counts, that info is hidden from them.
ugh....but misleading thumbnails are on pretty much all youtube videos, isnt it? and i didnt see people disliking these just for that reason. the public opinion can be ok at times, but in todays world i feel like it does more harm than good. lots or retarded videos with good rating, and good videos with poor rating.
> but misleading thumbnails are on pretty much all youtube videos, isnt it?
There are lot's of clickbaity videos on youtube, but if its just plain misleading then I assume people would dislike it a lot more. Because I don't take a look at these numbers myself, I'm not sure how people react to these nowadays, maybe they won't dislike it if the video is pretty good, IDK
> the public opinion can be ok at times, but in todays world i feel like it does more harm than good.
I know that likes/dislikes are not a good indication for the quality of the content, they just show you what the public thinks about it. That is the information it gives you, whether you agree with the public opinion is your choice. Perhaps my second question is more important here, without this data how would you know if a video is underrated or not ?
If I watch a video and liked it very much, I'd assume its a popular video but it might be underrated, there's no way to know without the like/dislike or watch counts.
Without any of these counts, I'd assume its a viral hit on peertube, based on just the quality of the content. But because I can see that this video only has 5 likes, I know this video is underrated and deserves more likes 😉
Video inspired by Sasha's article - https://www.bigworldsmallsasha.com/2020/01/07/prison-earth/ and recorded/edited by Dima https://dmitrylisenko.com/, Welcome to Prison Earth.
Underrated means a video doesn't have the popularity it deserves.
It'll help me understand the situations better, I would've wrongly believed that one video is viral just by looking at the quality.
For example, Imagine if TROM was super popular and you were getting thousands of emails a day. Would you be able to read all those messages ? Would you be able to make TROMcasts public if hundreds of people would join and overload the server ? That's quite a difference from how things are now.
But I dont get you....if our stuff is super popular or not, and I can't see that either way, how is it affecting me? Knowing that millions watch our videos or just 5 people, makes no difference for me. If the server is overloaded or our trom chats then that is something I will have to separately deal with.
As a content creator maybe you would see things differently from your perspective. Maybe it's easier for you to not care about these numbers. But not every creator would be the same though. But from a user's perspective, maybe we like to learn more about the creators we like. I gave an example of TROM to show how drastically different these things would be. For example if I'm writing an email to a creator, my message would be buried under thousands of others if the creator is super popular.
Also when talking about new/controversial ideas or opinions, I'd like to know how the public reacts to it. For example, I might like to know how well people receive ideas like nudism, which we did a TROMcast about. I know these wouldn't affect the quality of the content in any way, but I just like to know how well people recieve such ideas. It tells how open minded people are, and how well these videos work in changing public opinion.
Idk if these "advantages" outweigh the dis-advantages of such labeling systems. If you are worried that you may want to contact a creator but they are too popular, and you may not know that, this is not as relevant I think. You should try to contact them regardless. Lots of nonpopular creators don't give a shit about replying to emails, and the opposite is also true.
As for judging if some videos are well received by looking at the like/dislike counter....dik...is that relevant? Is the platform where it was posted relevant? Like if we post the video about nudity on fb/youtube vs peertube, I guess the audience is different.
Idk if these "advantages" outweigh the dis-advantages of such labeling systems.
The disadvantages lie in how people interpret this data, the data itself is not to blame. If people understand the limitations of this data, then its fine I think.
Is the platform where it was posted relevant?
This is what I said before, people's reaction changes from platform to platform. Peertube seems to be more revolved around the tech community, so we'll be getting the data from them.
Users should have the control, so if Peertube would allow me as user to disable/enable like/dislike buttons and view counts, then the admins should leave these options for the users. The reason I remove these from our Peertube is becuase users have no choice there. On Youtube they do have choices so I dont agree that youtube should decide for everyone and remove these options. Users should do that if they do not want to see such things on their videos or other videos.
However the dislike button makes no sense for me. It is a knee jerk reaction that tells nothing to the creator, and very little to the others.
Even though I don't personally mind any of these like/dislike counts, I still don't agree with youtube taking them away. I think people are pissed because they're taking away something without giving users a choice, basically forcing it upon people.
The way I see it, if someone don't care about these numbers, they can just ignore it, like how I do it. But it doesn't work the other way around, if you remove the button, its gone forever. This is what youtube did.
Letting each individual choose whether they wanna hide it or not would be the best thing, maybe peertube can add that as an anti-addiction feature or something. We already have such features in many mastodon clients - github.com/tuskyapp/Tusky/issu…
In todays world, we're surrounded by social media noise that hurts our mental wellbeing. I'd like to have a mode that cuts down on this to focus purely on the aspect of interacting with oth...
Yah I want to decide for myself ofc. This is why I did not remove the dislike button from our Friendica instance, only for myself from my settings....I don't wanna see this. Would be good if you can also disallow others to like/dislike your posts/videos. Let users decide ;)
Watched both videos. I would like to give them a dislike :). This one especially talks about how to be a prostitute and consider what people like/dislike on your channel.
If people see their videos as "careers" and "trading tools" then I get their frustration in both sides of the argument. And that I do not care at all about. :P
Even if you're not making content for trading/profit, you should still be open to criticisms and learn from these feedbacks, right ?
I'm not a content creator but AFAIK these feedbacks are helpful in improving the quality of the content. If I write a book, I'm doing it to share my ideas, and not caring about feedbacks would affect the quality of my content and I'll get less readers. This is fine, but if you're writing about something important, you want more people to read & know about it.
> That's why I recommend to remove the dislike button so you force people to give some useful feedback. A dislike tells you nothing.
Like I said, most people don't have the time to go around and criticize everything they see. Like/dislike button being a passive way of showing support/disagreement, more people will use it and the data will be more accurate. I think both comments and the like/dislike ratio is useful for getting feedbacks, they both compliment each other.
Ok we can agree to disagree then. As someone who created a lot of content over the years, a dislike is a 0 thing for me. Just an annoyance. Gives me no valuable feedback at all. And I am very open to criticism via email, comments, or the public matrix chat.
Here's a comment below that video which I thought was interesting:
When you show only the likes, everything just becomes about popularity, rather than quality; and the loudest opinions win, even if the majority disagree
It is already a popularity contest, and I was talking about removing the dislike button, since I am not in favor of showcasing the number of likes or even views.
You said you prefer the reddit's upvote/downvote system, so I don't think you're opposed to this idea of having a ratio/count. IIRC, You said you use this data for showing posts with high upvotes on tromnews, so it was useful to you :)
I didn't say I prefer the reddit one, I said that makes more sense than the like/dislike approach. I use high rated posts from reddit for tromnews so that we do not get a thousands posts a day. And they are from specific categories like photos from nature and such. It is a way to filter out the amount of them, not necessarily the quality. And that is a measurement of how many people liked a particular reddit post, nothing to do with the dislike button.
These days we will release a new TROMjaro Beta ISO. With the usual Manjaro updates + some fixes and new stuff from our part. Kinda tired these days trying to change my sleeping schedule and go to sleep earlier since the days got shorter. And I need to see the sun more often. Have some video editing ideas for TROM II that involve a digital tablet and a lav mic :). Should test them tomorrow! #tromlive
I think it is a bad idea for instance admins (fediverse) to ban entire instances. Unless there is a very very very serious motive behind it. And make it public when you do. Because this will cut ties with those instances and the users from your own instance will be unable to reach anyone from those banned instances. This is a dangerous game that many on the fediverse are playing. They seem to not grasp the consequences.
If we ever ban any instance then we will first announce it to all of our users, and then make it public. But unless there is severe spam flooding our servers, I do not see a reason to do that.
Users can block other users and for some federated networks they can block entire instances. Let the users decide! Not a handful of "admins". #tromlive
I would tend to agree for public instances. The Mastodon software doesn't have the same problem as PeerTube which tries to do suggestions and has the trending page, etc. which then will be flooded with nudity, conspiracy theories etc. which many users don't want to see in combination with their own content when you federate with everything.
The beauty of Peertube is that instance admins can say WHAT to be displayed on the trending page and so forth. Not what NOT. That's a much better approach. And then you also let users follow anyone they wish to from any peertube instance, rather than blocking entire instances so you can't even follow your friends from the banned instances. That's bad practice.
I'm admin on both so i might have a bit of a wrong perspective on things. But yeah from what you say it's a bit better in this regard for the user.
What I tried to say was that it's easier for an admin because they don't have a discovery page which shows stuff from other instances, therefor no real need to block instances nor to follow instances as an admin.
But if you're not admin and the admin blocks stuff it's not nice. At least you can move to a different instance.
Yes I understand what you mean, I was just surprised to know that peertube works this way, I thought that peertube admins could cut out connections to other instances entirely, but it seems like I was wrong.
BTW, mastodon has global timeline instead of the discovery page on peertube, so don't they both have this issue ? @tio
On Peertube the Admin can follow whole instances which I tried to do, to get recommendations, but then pictures of naked people would show up as recommended under videos about children in my extended family so I removed all big instances and only follow very small ones. Since last update there is a great feature that the Admin can follow specific channels instead to need to follow a whole instance. It's much easier to keep your list of channels clean.
I think you can also block servers but am not sure how it works. It is ok to have this power, but not ok to use it unless it is a MUST. And you should be fully transparent about it, else is a shit show with users unable to find certain videos/channels and subscribe to them if they use your instance.
That's the issue tho, you can get blocked (instance wise) and you won't be able to follow anyone and such. That's a bad practice. Imagine if you are banned by several major mastodon platforms, what do you do then? This is a mob-like approach that I do not support.
Email is a federated service just like the fediverse, and now Gmail & Yahoo mail instance is so big that they have more power over the network. And they're blocking other email servers left & right, without much thought. The same thing can happen on fediverse, even now we have big instances like mastodon.social with most of the users on the network. This is a limitation of the federation approach, we'd have to move to p2p networks like scuttlebutt.nz in the future. @tio
Server run by the main developers of the project It is not focused on any particular niche interest - everyone is welcome as long as you follow our code of conduct!
For all kinds of reasons. Instead of users blocking your own personal instance, other instances may block you and thus block you for hundreds/thousands of users who may have not wanted that. Admins deciding these for so many users is very wrong.
Yah p2p is the way, but scuttlebutt was also talking about some reputation points to kick out "bad" people from connecting with anyone, since you need PUBS to connect with others. We need real p2p connections with no middle man. Or a middleman that just connects the peers and has no say in to who it connects with who.
From what I understand, scuttlebutt can be used to connect directly with peers. Pubs are just optional, and they have the same power as a user on scuttlebutt, the only difference is that it'll be online most of the time. I hope they don't fuck things up with this reputation system of theirs, but if its a decentralized kinda system that can be used by you & your friends without much global impact, that seems OK to me. @tio @selea
I like moderation to be like how adblockers work today, we make a list of users that could be blocked, and we categorise them into topics like nudity, violence, etc. so we can choose what to block. This kinda system should be opt in and shouldn't block anyone by default. Ublock origin allows us to use different blocklists, so we can change from one to other easily, the same should be true here. If a blocklist has problems, we can criticize it and/or fork it if necessary.
While I was working on TROM II I see an email alert from one of my websites, that 4 or so suspicious files called ".bt" are located in directories they should not belong to. This was tromsite.com so I was worried. After looking a bit more into it, it was clear...this was a virus. One that injects code into the website and redirects parts of the website to some bullshit pharmaceutical sites, to sell nonsense. Fuck...
After digging into it I finally managed to trace it. They infect php files. I got a hold of what the code looks like, logged into the server via SSH, did a "sudo su" to have root privileges, and did a find . -name '*.bt' -print inside that wordpress folder, to see where all of the ".bt" files are located. Then deleted them on by one with "rm ". Of course I the realized the virus creates these files all the time, so that's not a solution, and they are not the "virus" but an outcome of it.
Finally I searched all .php files that contained get_data_ya with find . -name '*.py' -print0 | xargs -0 grep 'get_data_ya' > output.txt
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While I was working on TROM II I see an email alert from one of my websites, that 4 or so suspicious files called ".bt" are located in directories they should not belong to. This was tromsite.com so I was worried. After looking a bit more into it, it was clear...this was a virus. One that injects code into the website and redirects parts of the website to some bullshit pharmaceutical sites, to sell nonsense. Fuck...
After digging into it I finally managed to trace it. They infect php files. I got a hold of what the code looks like, logged into the server via SSH, did a "sudo su" to have root privileges, and did a find . -name '*.bt' -print inside that wordpress folder, to see where all of the ".bt" files are located. Then deleted them on by one with "rm ". Of course I the realized the virus creates these files all the time, so that's not a solution, and they are not the "virus" but an outcome of it.
Finally I searched all .php files that contained get_data_ya with find . -name '*.py' -print0 | xargs -0 grep 'get_data_ya' > output.txt . Checked the output.txt file and I FOUND it! It was the ./wp-includes/pomo/mo.phpthat was infected. I downloaded a fresh copy of Wordpress and since this is a core file I replaced it with the main Wordpress file. Done.
For now all seems good.
It appears that they were able to infect our website because of some outdated plugins. The main suspect is a premium one that I bought from codecanyon and since they do not provide auto-updates (and thus I have to manually keep an eye on the releases + update it on the website), I failed to update it in months. See!? The Bullshit trade game. "If you want this, give me that!" and because of this humans have to put barriers that are fucking atrocious. If this plugin was open source it would be easy peasy. Push updates to all who have it installed. But this other mother fuckers who trade software for money, have to restrict it and then they can't provide updates easily...
Anyways...seems to be ok now but I will keep on monitoring the website closely. #tromlive
I almost toasted our trom.tf server while trying to fix invidious....that's it am giving up for now. Removed invidious and nitter form torm.tf temporarily. Alexio may install them on his own server so we test with that, while keeping the same domain names. I do not need this stress in my life haha. Damn I dodged the bullet there. Lesson learned. See status.trom.tf #tromlive
I saw a brief 502 error with friendica today....but was very brief....maybe a hiccup I hope. Our invidious didnt work for like 12h last night. I think it still works hella better than before but I need to force it restart every couple of hours as it is officially recommended. So the trains still work well. I worked a bit on TROM II today. Will make it a priority from now on. @Future is FOSS created a wonderful script to fix a nasty thing with XFCE and the .desktop files. You see basically if you install an app on TROMjaro (flatpak, repos, or snaps) then edit it via right click from the XFCE menu or via MenuLibre, and change the name of this app or add it to a new category, then what XFCE does is to create a new .desktop file in the home .local/share/applications.
Problem is, if you uninstall this tweaked app then the app is still present in XFCE's menu like a zombie. You click it and nothing happens. So you have to know to delete the .desktop file for that app fr
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I saw a brief 502 error with friendica today....but was very brief....maybe a hiccup I hope. Our invidious didnt work for like 12h last night. I think it still works hella better than before but I need to force it restart every couple of hours as it is officially recommended. So the trains still work well. I worked a bit on TROM II today. Will make it a priority from now on. @Future is FOSS created a wonderful script to fix a nasty thing with XFCE and the .desktop files. You see basically if you install an app on TROMjaro (flatpak, repos, or snaps) then edit it via right click from the XFCE menu or via MenuLibre, and change the name of this app or add it to a new category, then what XFCE does is to create a new .desktop file in the home .local/share/applications.
Problem is, if you uninstall this tweaked app then the app is still present in XFCE's menu like a zombie. You click it and nothing happens. So you have to know to delete the .desktop file for that app from that folder.... NOT good!
There is no other way...
So we made a script that basically fixes this automagically, thanks to @Future is FOSS . I love it and this is how it should actually be. #tromlive
Seems like our trains work well :) and that makes me happy. Except our Nitter instance that's restarting every other minute, all works great is seems. It is relaxing when all works well... #tromlive
This page shows in almost real time the status of all of our websites. And it is hosted and managed by Alexio so that if our servers are down, this page won't be affected.
Big thanks to Alexio for this!
Such a page is important especially for trom.tf services, so that you can see what services are more reliable. And for us to keep track of what websites may not work properly, so that we can fix them. #tromimg
I am going live in an unusual way. Talking about FAcebook Meta videos.trom.tf/w/81mQvysgPGp9G… - actually I will watch their presentation and see what thoughts I have about it.
A big thank you to those that keep on supporting us monthly/weekly! We have enough money to make it till (maybe) March. See https://www.tromsite.com/donate/
You support 39 trade-free books, hundreds of videos, a documentary + one in the making; You support a curated news/videos website that is updated daily; another website full of trade-free documentaries and courses; a trade-free Operating System + hundreds of hand curated trade-freee apps; 24 trade-free services that are alternatives to big online services from google services to facebook and so forth; you support our Trade Free Directory and more.
We do a ton of these and we push this trade-freee idea!
If you can, please help us so that we keep on doing these. Being low on money will put a pressure on us and the project. #tromlive
These also seemed to have fixed @Aaron 's instance. I would be so happy if that's the case. But lets give it a week or so and then I can say for sure.
I've also done the same change to our Invidious and so far works great. No more 502 nginx errors. But, I also don't want to celebrate this too early.
So let's see....
Tomorrow I want to do some stuff from my to-do list, like add a new documentary to VN, do some tromjaro stuff to prepare for the new ISO, and such. To then be free again for TROM II, who waits for me :) .
Everything else is fine. ofc except money :D. haha #tromlive
I finished @Sasha ' s book. I am the first one to read it :D . Except her ofc. Now what can I say...I do not want to give up much but it is an awesome read. She spent so much time crafting it and you can feel that through the book. The wording, the way she stories, the way she connects parts of her story with brutally honest looks at our society.
It is a brilliant and precious book. A combination of her life stories, that most of the time seem like they are not real because they are crazy nuts, and on top of this the way she criticizes society. It is a Fresco, Sagan vibe through the book too. Unique and wonderful stories, some are quite intense and scary, and you can see her growing into what she is today.
She talks about TVP and TROM, and related topics, and they are important points/aspects of her book.
I got trapped into the stories and I swear this girl lived 80 lives so far. It is hard to believe she did so much in just a decade or so. This book
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I finished @Sasha ' s book. I am the first one to read it :D . Except her ofc. Now what can I say...I do not want to give up much but it is an awesome read. She spent so much time crafting it and you can feel that through the book. The wording, the way she stories, the way she connects parts of her story with brutally honest looks at our society.
It is a brilliant and precious book. A combination of her life stories, that most of the time seem like they are not real because they are crazy nuts, and on top of this the way she criticizes society. It is a Fresco, Sagan vibe through the book too. Unique and wonderful stories, some are quite intense and scary, and you can see her growing into what she is today.
She talks about TVP and TROM, and related topics, and they are important points/aspects of her book.
I got trapped into the stories and I swear this girl lived 80 lives so far. It is hard to believe she did so much in just a decade or so. This book will either make you change your monotonous life, or be depressed at the thought that she did so much and you did not. That's how I felt a bit haha. Tho I am happy with my life and my experiences made me who I am today. And am partially joking since she gives you something more than how her lifestyle was, towards the end of the book. She inspires you to change and be a human in this world, but also shows you that it is important for us to do something about this fucked up society.
I will recommend this book to anyone who thinks that humans are naturally drawn towards consumerism (wanting stuff), and that jobs are necessary, and all of this behavior aspect. Sasha is a proof that you can live a wonderful life, do scuba-diving, surfing, climbing so many mountains, swimming in so many waters, sailing, snowboarding, swimming with manta rays, and so much more, without trading much, and without wanting bullshit stuff/objects. And she met some interesting people what had similar values.
Overall a wonderful book. Can't wait for her to release it! :D #tromlive
Some updates: - I am taking it easy these days reading Sasha's book. It really is something. Fully enjoy it! Love it so far. - My back still hurts so I'll give it a few more days if it doesn't go away luckily I can go to the doctor for free here. - We work on some new and useful things for TROMjaro thanks to @Future is FOSS - Our Friendica still throws a 502 error from time to time...I use it daily and it is ok most of the time, but still...we need to fix it somehow. idk how at the moment. Contacted the devs of friendica and yunohost and we are a bit clueless. - We will get very low on money in the next months so any financial help (donation) so so much appreciated! We may need to ask for this support more and more these months... - I want to release a new TROMjaro ISO only when Manjaro pushes updates, so be like once a month. - I like the XFCE on my machine. Very fast. The workspaces are not as fancy as Gnome's but man this is saner! I can properl
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Some updates: - I am taking it easy these days reading Sasha's book. It really is something. Fully enjoy it! Love it so far. - My back still hurts so I'll give it a few more days if it doesn't go away luckily I can go to the doctor for free here. - We work on some new and useful things for TROMjaro thanks to @Future is FOSS - Our Friendica still throws a 502 error from time to time...I use it daily and it is ok most of the time, but still...we need to fix it somehow. idk how at the moment. Contacted the devs of friendica and yunohost and we are a bit clueless. - We will get very low on money in the next months so any financial help (donation) so so much appreciated! We may need to ask for this support more and more these months... - I want to release a new TROMjaro ISO only when Manjaro pushes updates, so be like once a month. - I like the XFCE on my machine. Very fast. The workspaces are not as fancy as Gnome's but man this is saner! I can properly switch between them without my computer lagging for like 2 seconds.
Anyways I am so so eager to finish Sasha's book and see how it ends. Telling you, this book is really great and is on par with what I had in mind one time to create a fictional book that teaches people about a new kind of life/society, a saner one. And to emphasize on what creates this fucked up society through a story. @Sasha is probably that story and is not even fictional. Can't wait for the book to be public :) .
In a few days time I'll get back to work on TROM II and will be full stream ahead! #tromlive
Hey guys if you have a yahoo account can you please try register at files.trom.tf, tell me if it works. Seems like it is failing for yahoo email addresses, like it doesn't send a confirmation email. We tested for yahoo.fr but how about yahoo.com?
The ip address has a TTL of 2100 or so and that used to be a reason for rbls to block items. I would simply contact the owner of the blocklist and ask them what to do. If there is a lot of spam going out through that server then it will never be whitelisted.
There is one advantage, you can ask for a ptr record and setup your own mailserver. Do be aware that needs to be maintained too
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Here's 2 videos I saw criticizing YouTube's decision:
youtube.com/watch?v=CaaJyRvvaq…
youtube.com/watch?v=cX62w2rb7H…
I know that the attention economy has given too much importance to these numbers, but I do think they have a point though. Usually people look at the like-dislike ratio on a video, so its similar to reddit in that way. Of course, the accuracy of this data depends on how many people have liked/disliked thr video and how the site deals with spam, which is an issue for sites like peertube.
Dear YouTube!
YouTubeRokosun
in reply to Rokosun • • •Even for things like documentaries, more scientific and fact based documentaries may have a better like to dislike ratio compared to blatantly wrong conspiracy ones.
And often times, the like/dislike ratio tells us more about the users of a platform than the quality of the content. For example, Peertube may have more engagement in tech videos because its built around that community. On that note, Without this info, how can I recognize if a video is underrated or not ?
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •I've been doing the same thing for years, I never really looked at any of these numbers and have been just consuming the content YouTube recommends me, that was the only thing I used my account for, lol. This was before I got into privacy/FOSS, now I don't even use my google account :)
But just because I don't personally use this feature, doesn't mean its useless for everyone. For me its kind of a habit, I never really take a moment to look at these numbers, haha 😁
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •like this
LPS and Rokosun like this.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Rokosun
in reply to Rokosun • • •Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Yah am not suggesting everyone who disagrees should make a video or leave a comment about that, but disliking it also makes no sense in my view.
Yah I get you but then why not simply ignore it? Or just dislike it and the peertube system should have an algorithm so it knows what you disliked in order to not show you those kinds of videos. But having a public counter how does it help and who does it help?
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •> But having a public counter how does it help and who does it help?
Public counter is used to get a rough idea of the public opinion of a video. For example, if someone made a video with a misleading thumbnail, then that video would have a poor like-dislike ratio. If someone stumbles upon a nice video, how is he supposed to know that its underrated ? Without these counts, that info is hidden from them.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •> but misleading thumbnails are on pretty much all youtube videos, isnt it?
There are lot's of clickbaity videos on youtube, but if its just plain misleading then I assume people would dislike it a lot more. Because I don't take a look at these numbers myself, I'm not sure how people react to these nowadays, maybe they won't dislike it if the video is pretty good, IDK
Rokosun
in reply to Rokosun • • •> the public opinion can be ok at times, but in todays world i feel like it does more harm than good.
I know that likes/dislikes are not a good indication for the quality of the content, they just show you what the public thinks about it. That is the information it gives you, whether you agree with the public opinion is your choice. Perhaps my second question is more important here, without this data how would you know if a video is underrated or not ?
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Watch it! :) And you decide for yourself. :P
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •If I watch a video and liked it very much, I'd assume its a popular video but it might be underrated, there's no way to know without the like/dislike or watch counts.
For example, take this video sasha did a while ago - videos.trom.tf/videos/watch/95…
Without any of these counts, I'd assume its a viral hit on peertube, based on just the quality of the content. But because I can see that this video only has 5 likes, I know this video is underrated and deserves more likes 😉
32. Prison Earth by Sasha
videos.trom.tfTio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Underrated means a video doesn't have the popularity it deserves.
It'll help me understand the situations better, I would've wrongly believed that one video is viral just by looking at the quality.
For example, Imagine if TROM was super popular and you were getting thousands of emails a day. Would you be able to read all those messages ? Would you be able to make TROMcasts public if hundreds of people would join and overload the server ? That's quite a difference from how things are now.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Rokosun
in reply to Rokosun • • •Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Idk if these "advantages" outweigh the dis-advantages of such labeling systems. If you are worried that you may want to contact a creator but they are too popular, and you may not know that, this is not as relevant I think. You should try to contact them regardless. Lots of nonpopular creators don't give a shit about replying to emails, and the opposite is also true.
As for judging if some videos are well received by looking at the like/dislike counter....dik...is that relevant? Is the platform where it was posted relevant? Like if we post the video about nudity on fb/youtube vs peertube, I guess the audience is different.
Chivo likes this.
Chivo doesn't like this.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Idk if these "advantages" outweigh the dis-advantages of such labeling systems.
The disadvantages lie in how people interpret this data, the data itself is not to blame. If people understand the limitations of this data, then its fine I think.
Is the platform where it was posted relevant?
This is what I said before, people's reaction changes from platform to platform. Peertube seems to be more revolved around the tech community, so we'll be getting the data from them.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Users should have the control, so if Peertube would allow me as user to disable/enable like/dislike buttons and view counts, then the admins should leave these options for the users. The reason I remove these from our Peertube is becuase users have no choice there. On Youtube they do have choices so I dont agree that youtube should decide for everyone and remove these options. Users should do that if they do not want to see such things on their videos or other videos.
However the dislike button makes no sense for me. It is a knee jerk reaction that tells nothing to the creator, and very little to the others.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •I think you have a point here.... 🤔
Even though I don't personally mind any of these like/dislike counts, I still don't agree with youtube taking them away. I think people are pissed because they're taking away something without giving users a choice, basically forcing it upon people.
Tio likes this.
Rokosun
in reply to Rokosun • • •The way I see it, if someone don't care about these numbers, they can just ignore it, like how I do it. But it doesn't work the other way around, if you remove the button, its gone forever. This is what youtube did.
Letting each individual choose whether they wanna hide it or not would be the best thing, maybe peertube can add that as an anti-addiction feature or something. We already have such features in many mastodon clients - github.com/tuskyapp/Tusky/issu…
[Feature Request] Digital wellbeing mode · Issue #1980 · tuskyapp/Tusky
GitHubTio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun likes this.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Watched both videos. I would like to give them a dislike :). This one especially talks about how to be a prostitute and consider what people like/dislike on your channel.
If people see their videos as "careers" and "trading tools" then I get their frustration in both sides of the argument. And that I do not care at all about. :P
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Even if you're not making content for trading/profit, you should still be open to criticisms and learn from these feedbacks, right ?
I'm not a content creator but AFAIK these feedbacks are helpful in improving the quality of the content. If I write a book, I'm doing it to share my ideas, and not caring about feedbacks would affect the quality of my content and I'll get less readers. This is fine, but if you're writing about something important, you want more people to read & know about it.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •That's why I recommend to remove the dislike button so you force people to give some useful feedback. A dislike tells you nothing.
Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •> That's why I recommend to remove the dislike button so you force people to give some useful feedback. A dislike tells you nothing.
Like I said, most people don't have the time to go around and criticize everything they see. Like/dislike button being a passive way of showing support/disagreement, more people will use it and the data will be more accurate. I think both comments and the like/dislike ratio is useful for getting feedbacks, they both compliment each other.
Tio
in reply to Rokosun • •Rokosun
in reply to Tio • • •Here's a comment below that video which I thought was interesting:
When you show only the likes, everything just becomes about popularity, rather than quality; and the loudest opinions win, even if the majority disagree
Tio
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