Its really hard to trust anyone in this fucked up society. Lots of good projects with good intentions have become corrupt in their future, so I understand why some might have concerns.
But overall, TROM is the most transparent and trustable project I know of. Your dedication towards this project and its values is what keeps it like that. You're swimming against the tide here, to the point where you became broke. But you still didn't gave up. I admire you.
True! It is hard to trust people in today's society. But this person who complained, was following TROM for a while, so this is surprising. But anyways, I know way too well that I am honest about what I'm doing and genuine. So nothing to worry about. Anf thank you so much for your kind words! Whoa re you kind stranger, you Future is FOSS :) - you are the first federated-human haha that started to follow us on the fediverse and interact with us. I feel like I know you, but in truth I don't even know if you are a guy or a girl, or you are 70 or 17 haha. Not that it matters, but just saying ;)
I know you're honest about your work. In fact, I learned all this VADOSE stuff from reading your books :)
I don't know you irl, but it feels like we think in much of the same way. We're both curious about the world we live in, and are not afraid to question societal norms. I don't know about other people at TROM, but it feels like that's what connects all of us
I believe there are others who support you here, but yeah, @trom is underrated af. We need to reach other curious minds like us 🙃
You know my best "offline" friends now came from other parts of the world because of TROM. So maybe one day we will meet you too ;). We planned to make a TROM meeting videos.trom.tf/videos/watch/95… every year, bus because of COVID we could not. Maybe we could do one this year and we will invite people like you if you can come ;). And thank you again for your nice words. You are a little "known" inside our little TROM group because of your feedbacks :).
A chicken nugget sold for 100k dollars snopes.com/fact-check/among-us… - on ebay. This idiocracy amazes me every day. The society we live in is a spectacle of nonsense. #tromlive
We have received a 2.000 Euros donation from Taras. With this message:
"Thank you for your amazing work. Don't give up!"
Ok. So. Taras, I do not know who you are, but I am sure you may see this message. I just woke up, took a nap to be more fresh later in the night to work on TROM II editing. Last night I was talking to Sasha about our financial situation and we were so sad trying to find ways for us to continue our projects. We were calculating that we have enough to pay for food for the next 3 months and luckily my family is hosting us in their house and we didn't have to pay for anything else. So it was a very sad and emotionally intense night and I felt like I have no answers. I wanted these days to try and look for some online jobs that I can do in parallel with TROM II.
So I woke up 30 minutes ago and I saw an email with the donation and I thought I was dreaming. I had to check and recheck 5 times to make sure.
Taras you saved my ass and you allow me to now fully focus on TROM II and all of our TROM projects for the next months without stressing that much about money. I also have another "secret" project for which we recorded before we had to leave from the apartment, so I hope to release that too.
I am amazed at such acts of kindness and they for sure fuel me to keep on working on these projects. I surely want that. If I had the minimum necessities met, so enough financial support for that, I could keep on doing these forever and never get demotivated or bored to the point of giving up. I did it so far, I can keep on doing it if I have enough financial support.
With that being said, I can now focus a lot better on TROM II and the rest of the projects. I never gave up, is just that I was very stressed and was difficult for me to properly do my work to the point of not know how to go further.....
I am adding all of the TROM 2 footage into a massive Kdenlive project. 20 or so hours of 4k footage. It will take a few days to add all videos, sync the audio again, and create proxy clips for all. Am not sure it is a good idea to have one massive project but it is easier to work with all of the footage like that. Once added, I'll try to see how and what I can edit. #tromlive
reading this felt like reading the story of my life over the past decade..... only where I went art (largely "noise architecture"/music and performance related), seems you had Trom....and seems both of us have a healthy dose of the modern magickal art that is tech connected to the our "work" and endeavors and both saw the "profit" of our work to be made evident in the contributions we could give back to the communities around us than in a centrally controlled abstract that'd been applied to a mass for purposes of energy exchange (aka "money").
And so what does one do.... and how does one do it?
Like you, I have no idea..... of course there's the global soft roll out of "UBI" via all the current helicopter money falling from the sky (most chiefly via things bollockschain of course), but how entrenched in a trap does one want to get to survive.... most notably when they know it's a trap. The battle cry of the dark magic halls of money (fin tech), "INCENTIVIZE!" (more like "gamify"; never mind "small", it's a Pokemon Go world after all) Such said, the ga
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reading this felt like reading the story of my life over the past decade..... only where I went art (largely "noise architecture"/music and performance related), seems you had Trom....and seems both of us have a healthy dose of the modern magickal art that is tech connected to the our "work" and endeavors and both saw the "profit" of our work to be made evident in the contributions we could give back to the communities around us than in a centrally controlled abstract that'd been applied to a mass for purposes of energy exchange (aka "money").
And so what does one do.... and how does one do it?
Like you, I have no idea..... of course there's the global soft roll out of "UBI" via all the current helicopter money falling from the sky (most chiefly via things bollockschain of course), but how entrenched in a trap does one want to get to survive.... most notably when they know it's a trap. The battle cry of the dark magic halls of money (fin tech), "INCENTIVIZE!" (more like "gamify"; never mind "small", it's a Pokemon Go world after all) Such said, the game demoralizes.... it demoralizes as an "incentive" to act without moral ethic.... knowing that small bit can inspire..... when all else fails, refusal to be demoralized, just out of sheer spite of the game.
All this just to say stay strong and "surf the waves", knowing full well that the waves are prone to get choppy at times.
I am sure there are a bunch of people like this, sadly. This society highlights the idiots and charlatans, and those who do what they love doing, and help others, and take time to create something, are pushed aside.
Beginning of the month money count for TROM. We are left with around 900 Euros total to run all of our projects. Which is desperately low. We have to pay around 50 Euros a month for hosting, and some 50 for the Internet maybe, in order to keep them. Also, what do we eat? Well....
Recently human beings explored for the first time the 3rd deepest plate in the Ocean. Sounds good? Well, this is what the scientists described when they reached the bottom:
“The only unusual thing there was the garbage. There was a lot of garbage in the trench. There were a lot of plastics, a pair of pants, a shirt, a teddy bear, packaging and a lot of plastic bags. Even me, I did not expect that, and I do research on plastics,”
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“There was one funny scene when we were exploring the area. There was one white material floating around. I was saying ‘Victor, that’s a jellyfish’. We went there and approached and it was just plastic.
Imagine that! Humans go to the 3rd deepest place on Earth, a place not explored by humans, and find a teddy bear, a pair of pants, a shirt, and a lot of plastic. This is ve
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Recently human beings explored for the first time the 3rd deepest plate in the Ocean. Sounds good? Well, this is what the scientists described when they reached the bottom:
“The only unusual thing there was the garbage. There was a lot of garbage in the trench. There were a lot of plastics, a pair of pants, a shirt, a teddy bear, packaging and a lot of plastic bags. Even me, I did not expect that, and I do research on plastics,”
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“There was one funny scene when we were exploring the area. There was one white material floating around. I was saying ‘Victor, that’s a jellyfish’. We went there and approached and it was just plastic.
Imagine that! Humans go to the 3rd deepest place on Earth, a place not explored by humans, and find a teddy bear, a pair of pants, a shirt, and a lot of plastic. This is very telling of our trade-based society. People are transformed into merchants and consumers, and they do not care about anything else. Their trash is not their responsibility. And accusing individual humans or clusters of (companies or governments) is the easiest and most inefficient way (and 100% wrong) of trying to solve anything. It is no one's fault. It is this trade-based society that makes us all like that. Unless we change that, we change nothing.
And keep this in mind, climate change is one of the millions of severe problems this society confronts today, and will confront in the future. We can't just solve climate change, and end up with the same amount of problems on our hands. We have to change this society. Period.
I imagined for a second, when societies will start to throw all their trash out of planet Earth, maybe in some nearest future, just to not deal with that problem here on the ground, it might be a real story someday that some long-awaited mission to Titan or Pluto with dropping off another rover or probe there, will end up on just finding someone's trousers or used condoms there :D It's madness, but after this kind of news, it's no longer that far-fetched in my mind, you know :(
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You should watch this documentary to see how even science gets trapped into the trade bubble. Great documentary. Makes you even more confused at who tot trust haha... #tromlive
Asbestos, climate change, 5G, coronavirus – the public is caught in a battle for the truth. Science is being manipulated and undermined to sway opinion and create doubt. What are the mechanisms behind it all?
Haven't seen this documentary, but this is something I'm interested in.
Do you know any trustable sources for finding good analysis of scientific data ?
I know a podcast called "Science vs" that does this pretty well. I find their explanations very convincing, but also want to find other sources like them. The more diverse sources I learn from, the less biased the info will be.
Its better if the force of trade is lower, like in a nonprofit organization. @trom
Yup, we had Science vs podcast on our curated podcasts that we want to bring back soon. We have this curated news website tromnews.com/ so these are the sources that I find trustful. Plus on the videos section. We keep them updated. Mind you, the website is not yet optimized for mobile phones...
Yeah I know about tromnews.com, that's where usually go to find interesting stuff, (also videoneat.com). But Science vs is a little different, in that their entire goal is myth busting and finding truth. Other sources found in tromnews is mostly educational material and news, which is good but is not the same thing. @trom
Yes but there are sources like snopes, healthnewsreview, respectfulinsolance, science based medicine, DW, UN, or on the video section there are people like thunderf00t, healtcaretriage, Last Week Tonight, VOX, Veritasium and more who are myth busting a lot. :) - Also, depends myth busting what? Health news, we have a few great sources. Science in general!? Snopes is what I am aware that does this all the time.
What do you think is the best decentralized messengers that also supports video/audio calls, groups, sync between devices? Like, p2p decentralized. Not Signal and the like. We are currently testing qTox and Jami.
I'm also doing the same thing here, but on android. From my testing, the jami android app had some stability issues, so I uninstalled it. Briar and atox were more stable in my experience, but these apps lack certain features. As of now, briar can't send photos or videos. So I uninstalled that too, and sticked with atox. Atox is still in beta I think, and it don't support calls, groups, etc yet. But these features are supported by the tox protocol, so it will probably come soon on atox too.
But after some long term usage, I noticed that android was killing my background connection on atox. I tried disabling battery optimization and all that, but it didn't work. I'm using an MIUI device, which is known for this problem so it could just be my phone. Anyway, now I'm feeling like I should give briar another try, this time testing for long term usage. I was also attracted by other features on it, like Tor, blog & forum support, wifi & Bluetooth connections etc.
Looking at their github repo, they're also trying to add image and video support to briar, this would make the experience similar to atox.
On the UI, jami was the best, followed by atox and briar. But briar really nails it on security, privacy, anonymity and free speech. I hope these technologies improve in the future.
Not p2p but I heard that session messenger will soon be adding voice and video calls over Tor. I Haven't tested it, but its pretty user friendly from what I hear.
I agree. Jami seems the most modern looking and can almost sync between multiple instances - like say you have it on your desktop and also on your phone - you expect for everything to sync (messages, files sent, conversations, contacts, etc.). And Jami is a hit or miss but they are trying to finally solve this issue. If they fix it then Jami is a great one. Tox with qTox for desktop works like a charm, but cannot sync with any mobile Tox client from what I can tell... Briar seems too new for now so I will wait and see. Session looks great and if they add video/audio then that's gonna change it into a proper messenger.
XMPP is also a good choice if you're going with the federation approach. XMPP is actually a lot lighter on server resources compared to matrix, this could be important for a healthy federation. @tio
nothing against XMPP, but it is just not used much in my bubble. You can run a modern Matrix server on RPi4 or cheap VPS if needed, I don't consider it being much of an issue. Majority of users just use existing servers.
If you mean they are not P2P, that is true. P2P Matrix is planned and demoed but not usable for long time. P2P has some benefits but I don't consider it important yet for the big picture. What we need is FOSS decentralized messaging to replace the centralized silos.
But is so useful to have direct p2p without a middle party that can always temper with the connection or messages. Retroshare is another one that seems great yet quite oldish and it never really worked well from our tests. Also probably no mobile app for it....
Well, there is E2EE which prevents servers from tampering or even seeing messages. Of course server admins have power to disable your account, that is something P2P would prevent as it's practically a server in your device.
It is true, but the vast majority of people are unable to do this. But if you have a true p2p app like say Jami or qTox, then users only have to install the app (like they normally do) and that's it. No friction ;). I think that's very important if you want such tools to spread.
Absolutely. But at the current state one could argue that setting up a server and using somewhat polished clients may actually be less friction than struggling with the current incarnations of p2p messengers.
To be clear: I'm excited about the p2p solutions mentioned and can't really say anything about how "easy" they are as I didn't test them in ages. But if you ask for the "best" currently available tool, self hosting may be an option to consider.
Yes p2p msg apps right now are not super reliable, but if I think about my parents, friends, and people I know, I don't think anyone could setup their own server for Matrix or XMPP, but pretty much all of them can install one of those p2p apps. Several of which work quite great. I tested qTox for a while and it really is reliable between computers. Jami looks great and works great, but cannot sync properly with the mobile app. The rest lack features like video/audio calls or group chats, but for simple messages they seem to work great.
I mean I could setup a Matrix or XMPP server, we already provide a plethora of services at trom.tf/ - so I could help all of those people I know in that regards, but I'd prefer to not be responsible for such things if possible. ;) - I'd like for people to use p2p apps rather the services we provide.
True! We use YNH and simply because of them we were able to provide many services. However I think is a lot better to have p2p apps that any user can use and become a node by using them. So no servers needed, no setup and stuff like that. I think that's the future. ;)
This entire month we will be busy moving out of this apartment. We are broke so we can't stay here anymore...I will be busy with that so not many, if any, updates for the next 10 or so days. I am trying to maintain the "trains" working and updated. I will probably make a blog post about the move since I may want to touch upon some general and relevant topics. But yah, that's what it is. Finally, the financial support got so low I can't even ask for support anymore since it will make no difference for our current situation :D. #tromlive
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Really great documentary! Super positive and relevant. Imagine if human beings didn't have to trade all of their lives for nothingness (stuff and stuff), but have the time to get involved with relevant projects to help solve diseases, poverty, mysteries...to learn about the world and explore. Fantastic documentary. I wish there were more such documentaries out there. #tromlive
Are you interested in birds, fish, the oceans or streams in your community? Are you concerned about fracking, air quality, extreme weather, asthma, Alzheimer’s disease, Zika or other epidemics? Now you can do more than read about these issues. You can be part of the solution.
20+ more documentaries to add to VN are on the pipeline ;) - several that are very interesting. Will do my best to add them but this month I will be busy with moving to my parents' house (cause I'm broke :D ) - and all that...I am trying to have some more fun with @Aaron these days before he leaves. Tomorrow we plan to go here close where we live, spend a night in nature in the hammocks. See the stars, the water (hopefully we can see some bio-luminescence), make a bbq, talk, and enjoy. The following months will be very challenging for me working on TROM II and changing my working space. So yah, am thinking to simply enjoy this month, whatever is left from it. All trains are working so far, and I am supper happy about that. #tromlive
These past few weeks I’ve been preparing for my interview for TROM 2 Documentary. The first part of the interview was about my life- childhood, how I started traveling around the world, university, etc. The second part of the interview was about the state of the natural world- biodiversity loss, ecosystem destruction, climate change, pollution, etc. To get a good overview of what’s happening globally, I read a bunch of reports from the UN, WWF, and a few other organizations, and went through a lot of articles, documentaries, etc. And of course, we also talked about trade and how trade is at the core of the human society that we’ve developed- and how that’s creating a lot of problems.
Then finally- we recorded 3 days in a row and now we are finally finished with all of the filming for TROM 2! (My interview was the last one). Now Tio has a lot of work on his hands, I hope it’s not too overwhelming. But since Tio managed to make the first TROM Documentary all by himself, I am confident that he’ll be able to make something amazing out of TROM 2 :)
Guess what? We finished the recordings for TROM II. Finally! Wow. We stay up until 4am to do them. Sasha was amazing and we got some really great footage from her interview. We may have some 20h of recordings so this these next months we will work on making sense of these all, and create the sequel to TROM documentary. It will be tough - very much so. We keep everyone updated with the progress on our website at https://www.tromsite.com/live/ or our social network at https://social.trom.tf/profile/trom #tromimg
Another night, another excellent recording with @Sasha - great great job! We plan to finish the recordings tomorrow ;). @Aaron is also here to help out with the recordings :). #tromimg
We recorded Sasha today. Really great recording. Everything went so great, so smooth. This first part was all about her life story. Tomorrow we will record about the state of our society. Sasha prepared a lot. She read through a lot of UN reports and such, so that what she will present will be as factual as possible. All of the facts we will present in TROM II will be sourced, of course. Directly on the video and in the description. #tromimg
Finally, a new TROMjaro ISO is out tromjaro.com/install/ read more about the release here tromjaro.com/releases/ - a few changes here and there. And fixes. But again not much since I want TROMjaro to be stable and not changing much at all. #tromlive
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But overall, TROM is the most transparent and trustable project I know of. Your dedication towards this project and its values is what keeps it like that. You're swimming against the tide here, to the point where you became broke. But you still didn't gave up. I admire you.
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in reply to Tio • • •I know you're honest about your work. In fact, I learned all this VADOSE stuff from reading your books :)
I don't know you irl, but it feels like we think in much of the same way. We're both curious about the world we live in, and are not afraid to question societal norms. I don't know about other people at TROM, but it feels like that's what connects all of us
I believe there are others who support you here, but yeah, @trom is underrated af. We need to reach other curious minds like us 🙃
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