TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
Maybe from time to time is good to think about yourself as a terminally ill cancer patient who is going to die in a few years time. Just to make you rethink your priorities. Because in truth we all are terminally ill and in the process of dying. Fucking terrible thought to have, but it is true and we better get it so that we live our lives in a more meaningful way. A hard task to accomplish in this fucked up society...
At times I have these scary realizations that I am going to die one day, and I really don't like it. It usually happens to me when I am super tired, in bed, trying to sleep. Fucking brain!
But it is weird to think that you won't exist at one point....
I wish I could live forever. I would never get bored. There is so much to do.
In the meantime I am still young and healthy it seems, so it is also good not to spend your healthy time thinking about the fact that you are going to die one day. That is a waste of your time begin alive, if you do it too much.
I am very sorry to hear that and I hope you'll beat it and live for a very long life! It scares me to even think about such a situation, but perhaps when it happens to you, you'll just have to deal with it and see where it goes...
Cancer is still that scary disease everyone is afraid of. I hope some sort of vaccine that trains the immune system can bring some breakthrough.
Thank you for commenting and I hope you enjoy your life a fuck ton! Every little moment!
I guess I'm learning, discovering slowly as I'm reacting to it all. It unrolls gradually over time. It's a process.
And yes, when it happens, I guess you just have to deal with it. It's like walking out the door and having a tree fall on you. What can you do? Not a thing.
The inevitability of dying is always there, though, like you said originally, whether we have a terminal illness or not, we're all dying.
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We created TROM.tf 3 years ago and the aim was to provide trade-free services for everyone. A social network, a video platform with unlimited uploads, a file sharing platform with 10GB of storage and 20GB on request, a chat, and more. There are between 2 and 3 thousand users across these platforms and that's fantastic!
However to keep these platforms alive and up to date, plus add more, we need some financial help. And the kind we need is quite unique.
Listen,
We need 200 people to donate 5 Euros a month in order to support this project forever. That's all. Here - https://www.tromsite.com/donate/
Distributed power via small donations to make it sustainable. There are currently 80 people who are our backers, so we are 40% funded. If a
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Dear wonderful people, we need help.
We created TROM.tf 3 years ago and the aim was to provide trade-free services for everyone. A social network, a video platform with unlimited uploads, a file sharing platform with 10GB of storage and 20GB on request, a chat, and more. There are between 2 and 3 thousand users across these platforms and that's fantastic!
However to keep these platforms alive and up to date, plus add more, we need some financial help. And the kind we need is quite unique.
Listen,
We need 200 people to donate 5 Euros a month in order to support this project forever. That's all. Here - https://www.tromsite.com/donate/
Distributed power via small donations to make it sustainable. There are currently 80 people who are our backers, so we are 40% funded. If a small fraction (120 people) of the ones that get this email would support us, then we could make this sustainable.
But please don't ignore this message thinking that others will donate so why should you? The bystander effect is a real issue with these "call to action" approaches. Since there are others who are receiving this email, you may think that they will do something about it and that makes you, and me, and everyone else, less likely to act. And so, many people will not act, unfortunately.
We store over 2-3 TB of data, most of which are your files. We keep a server running 24/7 and make sure everything works well and it is secure. We need to pay for the servers, backups, and some food and basic necessities for at least 1 human in order to keep all of this alive.
You won't only support TROM.tf but the entire TROM Project and an upcoming video series.
You have received this email because you are one of the TROM.tf users. Hopefully this is the first and only email you will receive from us, but we desperately need some help now.
This project argues that trade is the origin of most problems: from climate change to slavery, waste and pollution, corruption, crime, you name it. And if we understand the cause, we have a chance to come up with realistic solutions.
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
Amber! Or stuff that the trees leak, then insects get trapped inside, then somehow it becomes super hard and survives for millions of years. It becomes transparent (lots of it) and we can look inside and see these creatures that lived millions of years ago and they look the exact same as they did when they got trapped.... Can't believe this "thing" exists on Earth!
My friend Agata game me a BAG full of amber. Her father was a scientist and amber was one of his main focus. He passed away and Agata gave a lot of his collection to museums but kept some.
Amber! Or stuff that the trees leak, then insects get trapped inside, then somehow it becomes super hard and survives for millions of years. It becomes transparent (lots of it) and we can look inside and see these creatures that lived millions of years ago and they look the exact same as they did when they got trapped.... Can't believe this "thing" exists on Earth!
My friend Agata game me a BAG full of amber. Her father was a scientist and amber was one of his main focus. He passed away and Agata gave a lot of his collection to museums but kept some.
Now it was the best time to buy a microscope! I spent only 50 euros on this one and it was well worth the money:
I spent ours tonight looking at every one of them and I can't stop it haha.
I HAVE to start the video series that I keep on talking about! We need not only to inform people about our global issues (cough trade!) but also inspire people to look at the important stuff. To know that the natural world is billions of times more fascinating and complex than any bullshit they are mesmerized to buy due to the aggressive marketing campaigns that happen everywhere.
We need to make this consumption craze obsolete. And reality (science/nature) is by far the best substitute. Often free, mindblowing, and more importantly real!
I wish i would start to make the video series now! But mentally can't. I need to adjust my enthusiasm and think about money/trade, at least partially. I will do it tho!
Anyway, amber deserves a video. Amber is fabulous. So precious, but not in terms of money, in terms of real value: to see how the past was. To learn about the tiny creatures and other things. To, in the end, know more about who we are.
A trade-free video hosting platform for science/technology/nature videos in the English language. You do not have to trade your currency, data, attention, freedom or anything else, in order to use it.
I got one a year ago then returned it back. I wasn't convinced that I will use it. Now I bought a cheap digital one and it is much easier to use and handy. But doesn't magnify as much so am testing a new digital one that's a bit more expensive :D - waiting for it to come. I'd like to have a microscope that's easy to use and also good enough to see cells.
Many thanks to Rafael who became our 83rd supporter - https://www.tromsite.com/donate/ - some 100 more people needed to sustain TROM forever. 5 Euros a month is not a big amount and you will support a ton of projects - see the donation page for details.
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In this episode of the Road the Green, Euronews reporter, Cyril Fourneris, travels to Graz, Austria and Berlin to see what everyday people are doing to help the environment.
Very happy to see that you get some attention for your work Dima. I wish they had done a longer video with you but for now it is a very good start. We need more "inspiration" to get more active about these issues and ways to get involved because like you said most people don't even know where to get involved.
Yeah, I don't know about attention, even if it's Euronews the guy who running this program is not sure if he will get funding and approval for 2 season of this show. That was the last episode from season 1. So yeah looks like not many people watch such shows. But anyway we have to do it. The same as you with TROM. Because even if not much we still reach people. And that's I guess important
Yup very cool. I like your last line in the video. You do have an impact for sure, to make people see that such volunteering is not only needed, but something "cool" to be part of. Can be fun, very rewarding, and super interesting. And you'll motivate others to get involved.
I was about to write the same thing 😁 Great last line in that video. And great work you're doing in general, you're very inspirational 🙂 Nice that you got on Euronews! 😀
I still have this dream/hope that I can achieve the goals of our 200 for TROM campaign https://www.tromsite.com/donate/ - like now I am trying to find ways to make money (was trying upwork these days...); in the summer I will probably work in cleaning for a little bit. And for the past 2 weeks I worked on a website for WebApe...
Man I wish I can focus on TROM and TROM only. I have a bunch of things on my to-do list like trying to update Friendica (figure what's the issue with the update), talk to video creators to join our Peertube, start a video series for TROM, add new features for TROMjaro....
I wish that was my "job".... and it is doable. I only need to convince 200 people to donate 5 Euros a month to support the so many projects that we are doing at TROM. Because I can and will do more, but without a financial support that's nearly impossible...
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I still have this dream/hope that I can achieve the goals of our 200 for TROM campaign https://www.tromsite.com/donate/ - like now I am trying to find ways to make money (was trying upwork these days...); in the summer I will probably work in cleaning for a little bit. And for the past 2 weeks I worked on a website for WebApe...
Man I wish I can focus on TROM and TROM only. I have a bunch of things on my to-do list like trying to update Friendica (figure what's the issue with the update), talk to video creators to join our Peertube, start a video series for TROM, add new features for TROMjaro....
I wish that was my "job".... and it is doable. I only need to convince 200 people to donate 5 Euros a month to support the so many projects that we are doing at TROM. Because I can and will do more, but without a financial support that's nearly impossible...
It is frustrating because I know I can do a lot more and I want to do, and I only need the minimum support to do it. But even that seems so hard to achieve...
Anyway, I'll see what I can do, but I feel it is such a shame to not focus on TROM and the so many ideas I have. For that matter it is a crime that so many are in this situation....
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TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
Do not forget that the internet, youtube, netflix, cars and supermarkets, lightbulbs and modern medicine, do not make our society "civilized". These are a result of often enslaved humans producing "stuff" in a trade-based society. Technologically we, as a society, are quite advanced, but morally we are primitive.
Despite all of this technological progress humans are still forcing ALL of their billions of members to trade in order to survive, despite being able to feed, house, and take care of everyone on Earth. This means we are still primitive and have no greater goals such as exploration, the advancement of technology and science, understanding where we came from and where we are heading... All that humans do is trade, day in, day out.
Slaves and slave owners. Simple minds. Robots.
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Do not forget that the internet, youtube, netflix, cars and supermarkets, lightbulbs and modern medicine, do not make our society "civilized". These are a result of often enslaved humans producing "stuff" in a trade-based society. Technologically we, as a society, are quite advanced, but morally we are primitive.
Despite all of this technological progress humans are still forcing ALL of their billions of members to trade in order to survive, despite being able to feed, house, and take care of everyone on Earth. This means we are still primitive and have no greater goals such as exploration, the advancement of technology and science, understanding where we came from and where we are heading... All that humans do is trade, day in, day out.
Slaves and slave owners. Simple minds. Robots.
If you take away the electrification, internet, the gadgets, the hot water and the mass produced products - stuff - you are left with the "naked" humans who all they want is to acquire more, get "married", work, have kids, drink, and cheer up for their tribe.
It is the environment who creates these behaviors so if we do not change the "mental" environment, nothing will happen. We do not need new tech, new science, new materials. We need new lives for the individuals of this species. Lives that are relaxed and taken care of. Scientific, globally oriented, and to live in a non competitive environment.
So the UN or other institutions, if they ever want to solve any global issues, they need to first propose that we should take care of people and create a decent life for them. All of them, not just the very poor. We are all trapped in this trade-prison. You can't expect for a different society to emerge when all humans do is to slave away and compete with each other. Dog eats dog world.
Happy 1st of May to all of the slaves who got a day off. What a disgrace of a society.
We have raised 40% of the amount of money we need to support TROM forever. We only accept 5 Euros donations from people, monthly, to make it sustainable.
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Can you believe this spider here is 40 MILLION years old?! That is so COOL!
Look at this 40 million years old Baltic Amber. What is cool about this amber is that it has a complex structure that makes it denser, harder and more resistant to external factors. It also makes possible good preservation of plant and animal inclusions. Insects, spiders and even their webs, frogs, crustaceans, bacteria and amoebae, marine microfossils, wood, flowers and fruit, hair, feathers and other small organisms have been recovered in amber. Even small mammals. Here you can see some extinct insect inclusions, such as spiders, ants, fleas, mosquitos, etc.
Dont forget to mention that you made these photos haha, else it looks as if you took them from the internet. Our good friend Agata gave us a bag of amber - her father was collecting them, he was a scientists from Poland. We are digging into these now :D - I ordered a microscope so we can look closer and I'd like to make a video about it. Awesome stuff, and hard to believe these creatures stayed there still, for so many millions of years. Such a long long sleep :)
Wait waat?! This is so fuckin cool 🤩 I can't believe she just gave you all that, she's so nice it seems, they're marvelous 😻 A part of me wants to become Agata's BFF right now too, haha 😁 jealousss 😄 These gems might even look great in some museum, but better you have it, hehe. Hope you'll be able to raise a dinosaur out of it or something 😂
oh she didn't give them all to us, but to look and study them for as long as we want probably haha. she gave a lot to the museums too. when you'll come, in less than 2 weeks (yay :) ) we will show you guys all of them - I ordered a microscope already so we have some fun with them!! and you will get to meet Agata. She is so nice!
I see, but "as long as you want" sounds long enough to me, haha 😁 Anyway, it's super interesting to have them close to study 🤓
Oh man, you can't oversell it more to me already, haha. Can't wait! Seems like previously we observed the macroworld through the telescope and now it's the microworld time! 😎 See, this is why I love the TROM tribe, so many of like-minded people, naturally curious and wondering Humans ❤️
haha yah! I wish we would do these more often and for longer...and more people would do these. This is part of our story as humans: form micro to macro. Can't wait to meet up again my friend!
@tio I first thought Georgi maybe went to a museum and took these pictures, didn't realize you have it at home! That is so cool man! 😍 Thank Agata and her father for letting you take a look 'cause those are some precious scientific collection.
yup. actually Agata's father died a year or so ago and he left behind a lot of amber - Agata took it and donated a bunch to museums. Amber is such a time machine.
I finished reading @Sasha 's book after reading a rough draft some 2-3 years ago. I wrote a review when she released the book but now that I finished it and it all is fresh in my mind I want to briefly say some condensed atom-sized thoughts about it, without spoiling it for those who have not read it.
This book can be deceiving. You may think it is about a small cute girl traveling around the world with very little money. And that is part of it, but the unique aspect of this book is the overall mental growth for Sasha. This is what I LOVED about it. To see how a human grows to understand how the world works and how that makes her react. All of the crazy and wonderful (at times scary) adventures are not just that, are part of the ingredients that create the cake.
And she is a wonderful cake.
The places that Sasha saw and got to experience
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I finished reading @Sasha 's book after reading a rough draft some 2-3 years ago. I wrote a review when she released the book but now that I finished it and it all is fresh in my mind I want to briefly say some condensed atom-sized thoughts about it, without spoiling it for those who have not read it.
This book can be deceiving. You may think it is about a small cute girl traveling around the world with very little money. And that is part of it, but the unique aspect of this book is the overall mental growth for Sasha. This is what I LOVED about it. To see how a human grows to understand how the world works and how that makes her react. All of the crazy and wonderful (at times scary) adventures are not just that, are part of the ingredients that create the cake.
And she is a wonderful cake.
The places that Sasha saw and got to experience make me feel like I lived in a cave my entire life. I bet many people will think that Sasha invented some of these stories because it is insane in a few years time to jump from tribe to tribe, meet locals, go live with them, have extraordinary experiences with them, have no money, then work a few months make a shit load of money, buy a car, live in the car; hitchhike the entire Europe, sleep in the middle of Australia, go and snowboard for free or little money on so many tall peaks from all around the world, become a divemaster, surf awesome waves in Hawaii, drive your car across the entire USA and swim with dolphins, sharks and manta rays.
Fucking shit! This human lived 55 lives in 15 years. You either get depressed at that, thinking like me that you have not experienced even 1% of what she experienced, or make you motivated to go see the world and free yourself from this trade based society (which also makes me want to do).
Sasha did a WONDERFUL job describing all of these places and experiences. No photos needed! And many of these adventures and places will forever live inside of my brain as if I was a close observer.
Best of all, in my view, is that now she signed a "contract" with me with this book, to join me in my battle! :) A battle of TROM vs Society! Her book is her contribution and there is more to follow!
With that she sandwiched her book perfectly - the beginning bun (prologue) that will give you a taste of what is about to come; in the middle are the many flavors of ingredients stacked neatly and chronologically on top of each other - some 300 pages of life; and lastly the top bun that perfectly brings it all together in a perfect taste, connecting the dots and making all of the ingredients and the bottom bun part of one big thing.
This is @[url=https://fosstodon.org/users/sasha]Alexander[/url] and her most valuable project to date:
A book. But a book is not simply a lot of words or a pile of paper. It is memories, emotions, worldviews, and a lot of work to put them all together. Her book is a story that spans over 15 years. But these years are hardly what most people experience on this planet.
She was born in Russia but at age 8 had to move to the United States and deal with a new world. New language, new culture, new people; her mom, her bother, and some pets. Her father went back to Russia, and that affected her a lot.
A mountain of changes to absorb as a kid which led her to a world of drugs and anger.
She details these struggles which at times feel like hard to believe stories – a 17 year old girl selling drugs in New York, crazy mushroom trips and adventurous thefts.
But she managed to pull herself together and change her life for the better. She was not impressed by the imaginary borders humans create and call countries, so she went on flying like a free bird :). From Canada to Mexico, Australia to Europe, Russia to Thailand. 15 years of adventures with almost no money. Because money won’t stop Small Sasha :).
A way to discover the world and yourself.
When you get to experience so many cultures and places, you can understand much better what humans are, and what makes them who the are.
The places she saw and the people she met are extraordinarily described in the book, in a way that you feel like you are there. No photos needed. You’ll laugh, wonder, or feel uncomfortable reading some of her uncensored experiences.
It is a galaxy of stories that she had to put together using notes from the past, photos, and her own memories stored in the mushy pile of cells we call the brain.
She managed to compile this massive story in a way that it is super fun to follow, but also to get a feeling of how she grew a mind in all of these years.
That mental growth and her experiences, made her realize how fucked up this society is and how much we are destroying this environment and the creatures in it.
She started to volunteer for some organizations over the years, eventually getting closer to the project I made, TROM. And so here we are, a book later, spending our lives together.
I cannot describe how wonderful this book is, how emotional and funny. So much fun, but also a lot of reality check for many people who are going to have their values challenged.
She crafted this book so much, that at times you feel like Carl Sagan, David Attenborough and George Carlin contributed to the book :).
A wonderful read! A massive CONGRATULATIONS to Sasha for the immense work she put into this. I know too well how for the past 4 years she worked so much on this book that it almost put our relationship under a big question mark. I never saw anyone putting so much effort into anything. It was too intense!
But now it is OVER. Finally! I thought I will never see this happen. Wow!
After so many years of work, and almost no money, she is putting the book for free on her website https://www.bigworldsmallsasha.com/ in digital format, despite us not having much money to make a life for ourselves on this planet. But of course, if you want to support her (us) you can buy the physical copy too. Or donate if you can.
I helped design the entire cover and I am quite proud of it :).
Go read it! I know I will read it again. This time the physical copy, in a hammock somewhere in nature.
Sasha you fucking did ti!
PS: The book was made with trade-free software. LibreOffice, Krita, Inkscape.
2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022-2024 2007 Freed from slavery (finished high school). Drove across North America 3 times. Lived in Whistler, Canada. 2008 Lived in Canada and California.
Thank you so much Tio, that was such a nice review that I don't even know what to say 😊 I'm so happy that you enjoyed my book and that you found something important in it. I'm so happy that you could feel my growth as a human- that was something I hoped to achieve in this book, but was difficult because there are so many stories, people, and so many things happening. Thank you for all your kind words and for the huge amount of support you've given to me and this book over many many years.
Sorry if I made you feel like you lived in a cave 😬 But you were actually doing much more important things than me in that "cave". You were growing your brain and making the important and inspiring content that brought me to you 😊 And this in turn grew my brain and the brains of many others 🙂 Thank you for your contribution to this book- the design, the emotional support, and even the content. Without you, this book would not have been the same (and neither would I 😉) 🙂
I already feel like living in a cave, lol 😄 Maybe reading your book will inspire me to go out more often 😁
> But you were actually doing much more important things than me in that "cave". You were growing your brain and making the important and inspiring content that brought me to you 😊 And this in turn grew my brain and the brains of many others 🙂
This is so true, Tio might be physically in a cave but he travels around the whole damn universe with his mind, haha 😂
It is funny, in Spain if you want to legally trade your own services, say you make websites, then you have to become "autonomo" - like self-employed, and pay between 60 to 100 euros a month taxes even if you make no money as self-employed. hahaha. That after you will have to pay a lawyer some 60 more euros a month to deal with the shitload of papers and nonsense.
You know these "taxes" in theory seem like a decent idea: take a bit of money from each citizen, to then put that money into healthcare and other things that will be free for these "citizens".
In practice it is shitshow of corruption and making the rich richer. And a huge pain in the ass for everyone. I would not mind contributing 20% of my "income" to a tribe if I get free healthcare and other benefits, but only if it was made simple and you could see the effect of your contribution.
Spain seems like the capital of papers and nonsense. But the entire world is like that one way of another...
Such a wasted time on the most "unique" planet in the universe. Deal with papers, try to survive, be busy wi
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It is funny, in Spain if you want to legally trade your own services, say you make websites, then you have to become "autonomo" - like self-employed, and pay between 60 to 100 euros a month taxes even if you make no money as self-employed. hahaha. That after you will have to pay a lawyer some 60 more euros a month to deal with the shitload of papers and nonsense.
You know these "taxes" in theory seem like a decent idea: take a bit of money from each citizen, to then put that money into healthcare and other things that will be free for these "citizens".
In practice it is shitshow of corruption and making the rich richer. And a huge pain in the ass for everyone. I would not mind contributing 20% of my "income" to a tribe if I get free healthcare and other benefits, but only if it was made simple and you could see the effect of your contribution.
Spain seems like the capital of papers and nonsense. But the entire world is like that one way of another...
Such a wasted time on the most "unique" planet in the universe. Deal with papers, try to survive, be busy with nothing things... No thank you!
So yeah, in a trade based society is not enough to "trade", you have to do it in a particular way. And if you are poor you are entirely fucked to begin with anyway.
Oof man that sounds like a bad deal for poor folks trying to make some money for themselves. If you have a thriving business then you're good, but for poor folks with small self-employment projects this will be a pain to deal with.
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
Flatpaks are really outrageous in size...I have tried to use flatpaks for the past months but man o man....hundreds of MB for each package, takes forever to update them even on my 1GB internet connection. The idea is great, but this is such a huge downside that I cannot see how it is going to make the flatpaks easier to use than normal packaging.
probably really depends on your usecase. For my slow internet connection, I really love how Flatpaks are an exception to the "partial upgrades are not supported" problem. Just because I need to install discord it does not mean that I want to do a 2,3GB update to my system, my friend is waiting for me.
I like these containerized apps but they are pain in the ass sometimes, really. However, this is future. Like it or not; Ubuntu is moving away from *.deb, more and more distros will act similarly. Just hope that Flatpak will win this fight and not Snap, and it will be fine...
@florke64 Why do you think native packages are going away? Especially when flatpaks has all these downsides like taking too much space and not respecting the user's theme or integrating well with the system. Flatpak is there as an option but you don't need to use it if you don't want to, I personally never use it and I'm fine..... 🤷 I'm not sure about Ubuntu tho 'cause I'm on Arch, but I'd be surprised if Debian ever gets rid of native packaging.
@futureisfoss @florke64 easy of use. Flatpaks are much easier to use for the average 'new to linux' user. Plus they actually have a proper permission system (flatseal) unlike native packages.
@thibaultmol @florke64 I'm not sure about ease of use because most GUI distros have a software center these days for installing native and flatpak apps - so both are easy now. The permission system is interesting and could have some privacy/security improvements, but this containerization can also create issues with theming and such. A friend of mine recently had issues with playing games on Bottles because of flatpak's sandboxing - so in certain situations it can get in your way.
@futureisfoss Interesting points. Inconveniences like theming are going to improve over time. Transition will happen gradually. I don't see Debian dropping *.deb support. However, I can imagine Debian shipping Flatpak applications.
There is a blog post doing the rounds asserting that Flatpak Is Not The Future. The post is really long, and it seems unlikely that I and the author will ever agree on this topic, so I’m only going to talk about a couple of paragraphs about disk usage and sharing of runtimes between apps which caught my eye. This is highly relevant to my day job because all apps on Endless OS are Flatpaks—for example, the English downloadable version has 58 Flatpak apps pre-installed, and 13 runtimes—and I’ve had and answered some of the same questions discussed in the post.
They claim that they deduplicate runtimes. I question how much can really be shared between different branches when everything is recompiled.
This question is really easy to answer using du, which does not double-count files which are hardlinked together. Let’s compare the 20.08 and 21.08 versions of the freedesktop runtime: wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08674M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08498M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08674M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08385M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08wjt@camille:~$ echo $(( 498 - 385 )) 113 113 MB (out of 498 MB for the smaller, more up-to-date 21.08 runtime) is shared between these two runtimes.
How about the GNOME 41 runtime, which is derived from the 21.08 freedesktop runtime? wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 498M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41 715M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41wjt@camille:~$ du -sh /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 /var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41498M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08327M/var/lib/flatpak/runtime/org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41wjt@camille:~$ echo $(( 715 - 327 )) 388 388 MB (out of 715 MB) of the GNOME 41 runtime is shared with the 21.08 runtime.
I can’t imagine what system updates will be like in the future when you have a few dozen apps storing tens of gigabytes of runtimes that all want to be kept up to date.
There is no need to imagine! I have 163 Flatpak apps on my Endless OS system. Let’s see how many runtimes I have, how big they are, and how many apps use each one: wjt@camille:~$ flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq -c | wc -l18wjt@camille:~$ flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq -c | sort -n 1 com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/6 1 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/18.08 1 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.34 1 org.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/41 1 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.14 2 com.endlessm.Platform/x86_64/eos3.2 2 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.28 3 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/19.08 3 org.freedesktop.Sdk/x86_64/21.08 3 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.38 3 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15-21.08 5 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.36 9 org.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15 10 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08 24 com.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/5 28 org.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08 30 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/40 36 org.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41wjt@camille:~$ cd /var/lib/flatpak/runtime; flatpak list --app --columns=runtime | sort | uniq | xargs du -sh --total918Mcom.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/5907Mcom.endlessm.apps.Platform/x86_64/62.0Gcom.endlessm.Platform/x86_64/eos3.2632Morg.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/18.08211Morg.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/19.08569Morg.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/20.08385Morg.freedesktop.Platform/x86_64/21.08782Morg.freedesktop.Sdk/x86_64/21.0826Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.28329Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.34264Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.36263Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/3.38198Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/40277Morg.gnome.Platform/x86_64/41264Morg.gnome.Sdk/x86_64/41436Morg.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.14231Morg.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15215Morg.kde.Platform/x86_64/5.15-21.088.7Gtotal I have 18 runtimes, totalling 8.7 GB of storage (deduplicated), not “tens of gigabytes”. The top 5 most-used runtimes on my system cover 128 of the 163 apps. (I am ignoring the .Locale extensions of each runtime: the English and French translations of the 21.08 runtime total 17 MB, compared to 498 MB for the runtime itself, so I think this is a reasonable simplification for rough numbers.) As for updates? GNOME Software applies them automatically and silently. I don’t think about them at all.
People may disagree about whether the numbers above are large or small, compared to the upsides that Flatpak does or does not bring. But the numbers themselves are readily accessible, as is much of the past and ongoing work that has gone into making them as small/large as they are.
Personally, I think the trade-off is absolutely worth it for me and for Endless OS users, particularly since going all-in on Flatpak means that the base, immutable Endless OS install is just 4.2 GB. Of course there is room for improvement, and years ago I wrote a quick hack to help study exactly which files would ideally be shared between two runtimes but are not. At the time, the primary cause was non-reproducible builds. Since then, the Flatpak ecosystem has moved over to Buildstream which should help a lot, though I haven’t rerun the experiments except for what you see above. Automated statistics about apps using obsolete runtimes might be useful for the Flathub community, as might automated runtime updates, and some further work on understanding if and how the derived runtimes (GNOME & KDE) could share more with the freedesktop runtime version they are based on. And, would widespread use of filesystems that support block-level deduplication (like btrfs) help?
A lot of those sizes are a worse case scenario. If you have shared requirements with other installed apps, flatpak will deduplacate requirement and save space.
Sometimes it is just bad packagers not cleaning up the builds. I package with flatpak, mainly legacy applications, and mine never usually get that explosive in size. Chromium is about 350MB installed with apt.
I don't understand what is the point of releasing an IDE via #flatpak, when that flatpak doesn't include all the necessary dev tools, and it can't access the ones outside its sandboxing. Honestly. What's the point? I'm looking at you, #Geany.
Personally, I can't stand flatpaks or #snap. #Appimage is nicer just because it's just one delete away from within the file manager and doesn't leave crumbs everywhere. But overall, I prefer #apt, and #dnf.
FYI each Flatpak app is like a Git repo and an update just downloads the files that actually changed. The files of all installed apps are stored together in a content-addressable storage, then hardlinked one or more times to form each app.
OSTree-based host OSs like Fedora Atomic work in the same way and hopefully in the future the files will be shared between the host OS and Flatpak apps too.
When you install a Flatpak, it will need runtimes (GNOME, KDE, Freedesktop...). These are the ones that really take up disk space. But the good news is that it looks big if you install just one Flatpak application, but the more you install, the more they'll use the same runtimes already installed, and the less disk space they'll occupy.
And no, ungoogled-chromium doesn't require 4-5 GB, just 153 MB...
And no, ungoogled-chromium doesn't require 4-5 GB, just 153 MB...
How come on my system it had to download 4-5GB? And yes I use many flatpaks but that didn't seem to help. And this is not the first time am seeing these massive downloads.
And if your package manager doesn't do it automatically, you can also use this command to uninstall old runtimes you no longer need: flatpak uninstall --unused
@0xd9a flatpak had to install most system libraries because it uses nothing from the host system (even the nvidia driver libs), but once it's installed, when an update is required it only update the files that changed since previous version, most update are very small compared to regular packages.
flatpak also provides some sandboxing (most of the time, this depends on the program and how it was packaged), which is great from a security point of view
"takes forever to update them even on my 1GB internet connection"? huh?... you're on gigabit internet and it's taking forever? honestly that's not possible... Are you sure you have gigabit internet? or do you mean that your lan port is a gigabit port?..
I use flatpaks and it's really not that big of a deal (plus it happens in the background anyone, so most people will pretty never notice it)
Yes I know very well what connection I have but since it has to download around 4-5 GB in that case, it takes a long long time. It depends the server where it is pulling these updates from I guess.... Maybe that particular package is worse than other flatpaks, but I have noticed this issue with long download times and huge download sizes on multiple computers and multiple flatpaks.
definitely it's outrageous. it's that way by design. personal example: i don't run KDE but wanted to try okular, and ran the heck away and removed it when i saw it had installed 48,954 files at a cost of 820MB. this is just ridiculous...for a friggin' PDF reader?
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
We have changed the way we deal with the 200 FOR TROM campaign in terms of donations. Let me explain.
Ideally we wanted to have a simple donation campaign where people can only contribute 5 Euros a month - no more, no less. However pretty much no Wordpress plugin is designed for this, since they are all geared towards selling products or creating campaigns where people can donate any amount. But I wanted to try something new by limiting the amount of money that people can donate monthly. I want to distribute the burden we put on individuals, but also to limit the growth of TROM, as a project, to a manageable "height".
The plugin we were using was not reliable at all and I even had to pay for it (which is ironic since we do not get enough financial support from the campaign itself). Because it is important to accept a wide variety of payment options, and "cards plus Paypal" are the most used worldwide, this plugin tried to combine Stripe (cards) wi
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Hey people,
We have changed the way we deal with the 200 FOR TROM campaign in terms of donations. Let me explain.
Ideally we wanted to have a simple donation campaign where people can only contribute 5 Euros a month - no more, no less. However pretty much no Wordpress plugin is designed for this, since they are all geared towards selling products or creating campaigns where people can donate any amount. But I wanted to try something new by limiting the amount of money that people can donate monthly. I want to distribute the burden we put on individuals, but also to limit the growth of TROM, as a project, to a manageable "height".
The plugin we were using was not reliable at all and I even had to pay for it (which is ironic since we do not get enough financial support from the campaign itself). Because it is important to accept a wide variety of payment options, and "cards plus Paypal" are the most used worldwide, this plugin tried to combine Stripe (cards) with Paypal into one single campaign. But the plugin stopped working with Paypal and then could not communicate with Stripe anymore, so when a donation was canceled the plugin had no idea.
In short, we could not count how many people are still actively subscribed to the campaign via this plugin, so I ended up having to check in TROM's Stripe and Paypal accounts to see how many are subscribed...and then manually add that number to our donation page. On top of that I cannot pay for the plugin's subscription and therefore I cannot receive updates - and having an outdated plugin that deals with payments is not a good idea.
OK.
These being said it is time to give up on this plugin and rely directly on Stripe and Paypal. If anyone wants to support us they will be redirected to any of these websites where they can complete the payment and manage their subscriptions via them. It is the safest, easiest, and direct way of doing this. If the Stripe integration with Paypal will be enabled in the following days then perhaps we will only use Stripe which can process pretty much any kind of payment, including Paypal.
I hate dealing with these things, trust me.
What will happen to your current subscription?
If you want to cancel it, please contact us or reply to this email. If you want to change the payment method then it is better to ask us to cancel your subscription and then you can do it again. After that you can manage it via Stripe/Paypal. It is simple.
What about the wall of donors?
I would really love to have a "wall of donors", a list of people who are actively supporting this campaign...maybe this is a nice way of thanking them publicly. But right now I do not know how to do that since we use both Stripe and Paypal, and some people do not want their names to be displayed publicly. If Stripe enables Paypal as a payment option then maybe I can do something about this. Sorry! But also...this is not a fashion show and we all understand that. We need some financial support to maintain our projects that are about serious global problems and ways to think differently about "fixing" them. TROM is not a project that tries to blend into this system and find financial support to be "sustainable" in that sense - it is a way to scream and harness the anger towards something positive/educational/informative and helpful. And for that we simply need some financial help.
Lastly.
A big thank you to Marcel who became the 80st donor for our campaign while I was writing this message. And I appreciate all of you very much! We are almost half way there, and that gives me some hope. We have a lot of plans for TROM, so let's see how things will evolve. We will keep you posted.
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Movies/Music/Books are not just that. Often times they are a marketing tool and many people may be clueless about the fact that they insert product placements everywhere.
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
When @Georgi shared a video from our documentary on Facebook and wanted to tag @Be Brave To Act Facebook page, she had no option but had it appeared as if this was a "paid partnership" with @Dima 's page. haha. Because as I said before, Facebook is not a "social network" it is an ad platform, so they naturally see these "taggings" between pages as partnerships.
TROM II: A Message to the Aliens Year: 2023 / Duration: 4 parts, 5 hours We live in a world where everyone is busy, everyone is consumed, everyone seems confused. Money, social credits, ads, data collection, prices and billionaires.
I will delay with the video series I wanted to make for TROM. I am working for a WebApe project/website, so it is what it is. If I had the minimum support that I need (see here https://www.tromsite.com/donate/ ) then I would focus 100% on TROM.
But the video series will come.... ;). That I know for sure!
200 people x 5€/month = TROM FOREVER 76 200 for TROM 50 of 200 donors Donation Amount: 5 € Monthly CARD Select Payment Method Stripe Personal Info First Name * Last Name Email Address * Make this an anonymous donation.
A revealing and moving portrait of lives compromised by war, filmed exclusively by Ukrainian soldiers with extraordinary access to a tightly controlled front line.
A reminder that our tromsite.com domain is blocked by Google and thus we cannot send any emails form our tromsite.com domain to any Gmail accounts... We have tried to fix this but so far no luck.
Google is an ad company so better not use Gmail in the first place.
Finally Sasha got her residency approved here in Spain after 4-5 years of us trying, spending money, being stressed. After being rejected once because we did not have enough money as a family - imagine that! That was the actual reason.
But now that I had a "job" they made us wait 7 months from the moment we applied, and 2 complaints later from the lawyer about why they do not approve it, it finally got approved. And the reason was ONLY because I was a "trader" in this bullshit trade society.
How terrible that we treat people like tools. The value is in what and how much you can trade. Does not matter if you are a good human being. Smart? Doesn't matter. Calm and helpful? Nope. Scientifically minded? Nah.
I spent my life doing free things for others, never made a profit, but this has 0 value in this society.
Anyway, fuck you to those who support a world where we are divided into tribes and languages, and treating people like sole traders/marketers and not humans. We have global problems but so many still want to have their own "separate" tribe and care only
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Finally Sasha got her residency approved here in Spain after 4-5 years of us trying, spending money, being stressed. After being rejected once because we did not have enough money as a family - imagine that! That was the actual reason.
But now that I had a "job" they made us wait 7 months from the moment we applied, and 2 complaints later from the lawyer about why they do not approve it, it finally got approved. And the reason was ONLY because I was a "trader" in this bullshit trade society.
How terrible that we treat people like tools. The value is in what and how much you can trade. Does not matter if you are a good human being. Smart? Doesn't matter. Calm and helpful? Nope. Scientifically minded? Nah.
I spent my life doing free things for others, never made a profit, but this has 0 value in this society.
Anyway, fuck you to those who support a world where we are divided into tribes and languages, and treating people like sole traders/marketers and not humans. We have global problems but so many still want to have their own "separate" tribe and care only about that. Fuck your flag, your language, your culture. Fuck nationalism. A primitive disease.
We are all humans with a 4 billion years long history, a mindblowing one. Single cells becoming what we are today. The way we are connected to each other, scientifically, dwarfs any bullshit man-made story about their own tribe. We have lego-brick-like structures we call the DNA that encode all of what we are. And all of what other creatures are, and how we are all connected.
We live on a giant sphere with a thin layer of atmosphere protecting us from the infinite universe out there.
So fuck you if you think your nationalism is so important, and your borders and stupid nonsensical laws.
I had to let this out because it is outrageous how primitive this society is.
Yea, it's fucking nonsense that they treated you both like that and I agree 100% about "nation" phenomena and I would even add how actually trade plays a major role in forming those tribes and nationalism in order to protect the historical, territorial and location advantages for milking the benefits and profits out of the things in possession and participating in global trading. If you think about it, even some of those entire tribes are nothing for the world, because from that perspective they have no "value", like we see by all what happens in Gaza nowadays. Imagine that. It's crazy how outdated and delusional our civilization's perspectives on what is Humanity real history and advantages..
In any way, as someone who has to pass through the same process every two years, even though I'm a way more "decent trader" from their perspective and it was way easier for me to get those papers, I congrats you both @Sasha @Tio. I hope it will really make your life at least a bit easier from now on 🙏
@Tio and @Roma you make such good points, I love you both and am so happy to know you guys, real humans- smart ones 🙂 It is unbelievable really, that you can't be together with your "wife" if you're just a good human and you do things to help others without asking for anything in return. Fucking insane. And true that borders and nationalism just benefit a few powerful players at the top, and the rest are their pawns without even knowing it..
Indeed @Sasha ! Agree about the power-players at the top and that no people should be treated like you were, especially such wondeful and caring Humans like you both are ☺️ Much love back! ❤️
Yes 100% @Roma ! Also politicians using this "nationalism" to et more votes, bcs that makes them more money if elected, and so forth.... ways important to understand where these issues arise from.
Oh, that's so true @Tio ! That's all politics are about - money.. Even the fact that you have no access to the election process and thus to the decision making without a huge amount of money, says it all about the systems we have.. it's a game for big daddies 😑
I love how you mention the actual scientific history of human beings! Countries and borders are man-made fiction/ideas that we choose to believe in, and they keep changing from time to time - there is a stark difference between that and the actual scientific reality of our world. Science is often a very humbling experience I feel like, think of the famous pale blue dot image and how carl sagan described it......
BTW, I'm glad to hear @bigworldsmallsasha is finally free to stay there in Spain, that must've been a huge relief after having to go through this much trouble.
"It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known." C.S.
Here's @Dima story of how he was influenced by this society of trade. How instead of him focusing on his music, he had to start and focus on getting more views, to trade those views for money/stuff.
Thank you Nikhil for becoming the 79th supporter for our 200 for TROM campaign! https://www.tromsite.com/donate/ - we need 120 more people to donate 5 euros a month to support TROM forever :). #tromlive
One little notice: it was quite a puzzle for me to find a PDF version to get into. I didn't think that the picture is actually a clickable e-book! :D Probably there should be an additional button like "Read PDF book" as the last one in the buttons row.
It was puzzling because some people are offering their books for a donation/free fee, like you can enter "0" on a platform and get access to a book - so I thought that a BuyMeACoffee had that option... xD Confusing a bit.
DLed on my reader, will share my review after a read, if will still be alive xD
The Truth vs. Alex Jones is a 2024 American documentary film, directed and produced by Dan Reed. It follows families of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, taking radio show host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to court for spreading lies about the shooting.
The Truth vs. Alex Jones is a 2024 American documentary film, directed and produced by Dan Reed. It follows families of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, taking radio show host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to court for sprea…
Such a shame the total solar eclipse was not visible in Europe...but well you can see some super amazing photos on https://tromnews.com/photos/ :) - here is my favorite:
I love our TROMnews website...I visit it every single day.
Executive director of Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) USA Avril Benoit joined "Face the Nation" on Sunday, April 7, 2024, to discuss the impact of the war in Gaza on civilians and aid workers.
One is a billionaire who is selling all of his books, the other one is a quite-broke human who has the courage and decency to provide her book online for free. Trade-Free. No ads, no data collection, no subscribe-here-to-read bullshit.
That's the world in which we live. The ones who make a fortune are trained and incentivized to not even share their "must read" books for free, despite having so much wealth.
Oh look, Bill Gates released a book about "How to Avoid a Climate Disaster"! It must be important.... so it is worth 18$ to read.
Presumably the bit on "the breakthroughs we need" take a detailed look at removing the inherent injustice of capitalism, and removing the power, excess and wealth of billionaires?
Information coming from someone who is working to get it to you, is very different information than that coming from someone who limits supply in order to maintain the market for it. This is why our community radio station does not purchase programming, if it can avoid doing so. We like to get our information from non-commercial sources. The world of commercial interest has brought us to global crisis. The interests of humanity must lead us out of it. http://kpip-lp.org/weekly_schedule.html
Indeed....Gates really needs to feed his family from the sales of that book....
As for those who depend on book sales, at least they should be honest and admit that it is unfortunate they have to sell their books in a world where digital copies come at almost 0 cost in terms of resources. At least Sasha is also putting it for free online.
You can pay for the paperback copy but it's optional, or support her via a donation if you want. Putting it online for free allows people from poor parts of the world to access the book's contents without having to pay for it.
> For every physical book that I sell for $18, I’ll get a cut of about $3 to $4 (sometimes less), so if you don’t care to have a physical copy but you would still like to support me, even a $3 donation is very much appreciated.
You can go to https://www.bigworldsmallsasha.com/book to get the book. Clicking on the book's image will open up the free online version, but you can also pay for the physical copy if you want.
She won't like most authors, musicians, and artists won't. It is a messed-up society and that's where we should look if we are to blame anything. It should not be that we are all like rats in a cage competing for survival, in a society where we have mountains of waste and an abundance of stuff.
We should provide for all with at least the basic needs, this way when one writes a book they can simply share it online at very little cost in terms of resources/energy and not worry about surviving in this trade society,
The thing is that even if I created a barrier and prevented those who couldn't buy a book from reading it, I'm sure that I still would barely make any money. Unfortunately that's the case for most writers, they may work on a book for years and years, but the only ones who will profit from it are publishing companies and distributors. Writers only get a small percentage 😔 At least now I can feel good about sharing my book. I believe that if you think something is important, you should want to share it, not only sell it.
See also: all the "real" journalist publications having all their content hidden behind paywalls, so only the privileged few can financially afford to stay informed by reputable sources while the rest of us have to get by on headlines cherry picked and placed on Facebook memes 🙃
WhippoorwillSong
in reply to Tio • • •I was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer at the end of December.
Still relatively recent, and I'm still getting used to it. I don't think it's technically "terminal" until I have 6 months or less left to live.
Until it's terminal, I feel like I'm in a kind of a limbo. Like the very elderly, you don't know if it could end quickly, or in a couple more years...
Everything is more precious though. Little trivial things. The less you have, the more you value it, maybe. Loving life while I can.
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in reply to WhippoorwillSong • •I am very sorry to hear that and I hope you'll beat it and live for a very long life! It scares me to even think about such a situation, but perhaps when it happens to you, you'll just have to deal with it and see where it goes...
Cancer is still that scary disease everyone is afraid of. I hope some sort of vaccine that trains the immune system can bring some breakthrough.
Thank you for commenting and I hope you enjoy your life a fuck ton! Every little moment!
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in reply to Tio • • •Thank you for the kind words.
I guess I'm learning, discovering slowly as I'm reacting to it all. It unrolls gradually over time. It's a process.
And yes, when it happens, I guess you just have to deal with it. It's like walking out the door and having a tree fall on you. What can you do? Not a thing.
The inevitability of dying is always there, though, like you said originally, whether we have a terminal illness or not, we're all dying.
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