The usual Manjaro Stable updates, that also fix that nasty Linux security issue. And a few changes: Kernel 618 We moved to the new LTS kernel. If you want to do that open the “Kernel” app on your sytem and install it. Reboot the system.
The usual Manjaro Stable updates. Manjaro Drama. As aside note, we are aware of the drama unfolding inside the Manjaro’s teams. Frankly it proves how trade ruins pretty much everything. Very easy to predict.
Manjaro depends on Arch. Arch on the Linux Kernel and GNU. Plus on Desktop Environments like Gnome, XFCE, etc.. So?
Manjaro's decisions are bad. I tried to talk to them, to help, etc.. for years. Nothing worked. Therefore: TROMjaro. As simple as that.
I am of course grateful for the open source and the linux community. But only for the trade-free part of it. No "business" shit and deceiving people into buying their stuff. That is disgusting and it ruins all projects as you can see.
Also, if the post is in english maybe would be good to translate your message into english so I dont have to do it...
Of course this is an issue with our trade based society 100%. How? Easy:
The incentive to do harm in this society is quite high. For profit, for power that also leads to profit, for the fact that tribes and people are divided into groups trying to outgame the other groups. Like Iran has an incentive to hack USA, USA has an incentive to hack China, Russia has an incentive to hack the EU, and so forth. They can get sensitive information, blackmail, etc.. This is a global situation that has trade (as a practice) as the director of motives. Making people do what they do. Tribes hold onto their own resources, exploit other tribes, etc.. And so fighting with each other is natural.
If we lived in a society where trading was not a necessity and provided for all equally, we would have no reason to have tribes with borders, exploit other tribes, fight against each oth
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Very good video from Veritasium about that big backdoor issue on Linux recently:
Of course this is an issue with our trade based society 100%. How? Easy:
The incentive to do harm in this society is quite high. For profit, for power that also leads to profit, for the fact that tribes and people are divided into groups trying to outgame the other groups. Like Iran has an incentive to hack USA, USA has an incentive to hack China, Russia has an incentive to hack the EU, and so forth. They can get sensitive information, blackmail, etc.. This is a global situation that has trade (as a practice) as the director of motives. Making people do what they do. Tribes hold onto their own resources, exploit other tribes, etc.. And so fighting with each other is natural.
If we lived in a society where trading was not a necessity and provided for all equally, we would have no reason to have tribes with borders, exploit other tribes, fight against each other when we are all in fact a big tribe, the human tribe.
The people working on a lot of open source software struggle to work on it since they also have "day jobs". They have to TRADE to survive. Imagine people had access to their basic needs trade-free, via an UBI or whatever. More time to focus on creating secure and better software, more people who can do that. Less of those incentivized to do harm and insert backdoors.
Overall it is a cancerous trade society where humans are livestock and wolves. Consuming and being consumed.
The only sane way out of it is to HELP PEOPLE DETACH FROM THE TRADE SOCIETY. So they can be people and focus on RELEVANT STUFF.
Else it is a game of those who want to exploit and those who try to stop them. Endless....
Art in particular needs to run on appreciation. People need to be able to freely express their appreciation for a thing somebody else made-- while every transaction is adverserial, everybody trying to pay as little as possible to get as much as possible, especially while we're struggling to get our most basic needs met, it doesn't come naturally to toss around donations just to honor things you really like.
Wait, is he starting out by saying that the xz utils backdoor was the fault of people demanding that software be free and open source?
Not at all. Watch till the end they make good points about how open source is far more secure and versatile than proprietary software and they explain how the open source thing started.
Because it was pushed on the community by brute force and trickery, and lo and behold adding a needless (mandatory) dependency to ssh, a dependency that itself is completely sloppy and depends on everything under the sun, introduces a vulnerability to ssh.
But also isnt this besides the point of the video? The video is about how people work as volunteers and try to do good things and are not supported by this society and how some bad people can take advantage of that. Also about how wonderful Linux is.
It was Lennart Pottering's uh... "passion" project. He's the one who demanded we all use his sound server even though it added a layer of complexity and a new point of failure, and sound already worked. You might know it as PulseAudio. That particular fellow realized a critical vulnerability in the "open source" community. None of us compile anything anymore.
So if he could get projects to add "optional" systemd support that could only be removed at compile time, then binary distributions like Debian or Arch had to choose: require systemd, or forbid it. He also has big influence in the Redhat project, so they turned everything to use systemd, and their users couldn't do shit about it. Debian/Ubuntu followed, and Arch was soon after. Because once most people (using Redhat) were using systemd, they went through the trouble of learning how to use it, and came to expect it.
Even if it could be made secure, the way it was introduced makes it really hard to avoid vulnerabilities, because uh... it's mandatory, so you just have to hope it's secure. And it's a big fat kitchen s
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It was Lennart Pottering's uh... "passion" project. He's the one who demanded we all use his sound server even though it added a layer of complexity and a new point of failure, and sound already worked. You might know it as PulseAudio. That particular fellow realized a critical vulnerability in the "open source" community. None of us compile anything anymore.
So if he could get projects to add "optional" systemd support that could only be removed at compile time, then binary distributions like Debian or Arch had to choose: require systemd, or forbid it. He also has big influence in the Redhat project, so they turned everything to use systemd, and their users couldn't do shit about it. Debian/Ubuntu followed, and Arch was soon after. Because once most people (using Redhat) were using systemd, they went through the trouble of learning how to use it, and came to expect it.
Even if it could be made secure, the way it was introduced makes it really hard to avoid vulnerabilities, because uh... it's mandatory, so you just have to hope it's secure. And it's a big fat kitchen sink project with no discipline about keeping things secure, because it's mandatory, so they're accountable for nothing.
I suppose. The way it's being presented is just grating on me. Needed at least some commentary on how we need less dependency hell. Or as you put it, "DETACH FROM THE TRADE SOCIETY"
I installed this on my laptop last weekend. I've never installed an OS before and it took a few tries. Kept failing at the very end with the bootloader. I found your logs of the same problem, and finally got it to work. So far I like it. Some things are taking some time to figure out, but I'm getting there. I very much like the aesthetic.
2026 brings something new but also old to TROMjaro: The Unity Layout style is back because we managed to fix an annoying thing with it. forum.tromjaro.com/t/tromjaro-…
2026 brings something new but also old to TROMjaro: The Unity Layout style is back because we managed to fix an annoying thing with it. Let me explain. When I first discovered Linux I fell in love with Ubuntu’s Unity.
The usual updates PLUS a fix. Here is the problem: As you may know we struggle a lot to make all apps (GTK or QT, flatpaks or not) look the same on TROMjaro. To basically use the same theme.
We are in the south of Spain now and we will take it easy. We drive like 60km every other day, so we can get to see some nice places and relax more.
And as much as I like cool places, I also LOVE to stay somewhere where we have access to water/amenities for the motorhome, where is no one, and is nice enough so I can focus on my computer work!
We here now:
Around Cordoba. We will stay for a few days in this place because there is a storm coming to the entire Spain and there will be lots of rain. So we need a safe place to be in.
We have our batteries quite full, the fridge is full, water infinite, unlimited satellite internet. And now I am working on TROMjaro, will add new stuff to VideoNeat, and will work to make more videos for TROMhome. For me, this is super relaxing. :)
This is a very short post to tell you that we have finally updated our Discourse forum to the latest. For the past year (or more) the Yunohost package for Discourse (what we use) was quite broken and we ended up having an entire separate server just or the forum since we could not update the server itself because of it. Therefore we had an old forum on an old server.
Now we managed to do some gymnastics and move it to our main server and update it. Finally! From now on I hope there will be no more such issues.
I was willing to even give up on all of our forum posts, accounts and comments just to be able to update it and not pay for a separate server for it.
But now all is good. All is fixed apparently.
Many thanks to the folks from Yunohost for the work that they do! And to those who made the Discourse software!
This is the first time I get to "properly" use this space for doing some more hardware and internet intensive work. We live in a motorhome from now on for those who do not know. This is it:
We have 650W of solar panels:
Internet satellite and 2 lithium batteries, each of around 1.000W. The download internet speed is quite good, some 20-30 real Mb per second, but upload max at about 1 ...
So, to download the updates to create the ISO is no problem. To compil
This is the first time I get to "properly" use this space for doing some more hardware and internet intensive work. We live in a motorhome from now on for those who do not know. This is it:
We have 650W of solar panels:
Internet satellite and 2 lithium batteries, each of around 1.000W. The download internet speed is quite good, some 20-30 real Mb per second, but upload max at about 1 ...
So, to download the updates to create the ISO is no problem. To compile the ISO itself, also not an issue because we have a lot of power. But to upload 2 ISOs, each of around 4.7Gb was really time consuming. So much so I had to leave the Internet and Laptop on over night.
But it worked and they uploaded. They only ate 30% of our battery capacity overall. Something we can easily put back with solar this next day.
This is our view from a really nice parking lot for motorhomes where you get free water and water disposal facilities :)
We can also charge one of our batteries while we drive with like 500W so in 2 hours we can fully charge one of our batteries just from driving, and we plan to drive for almost 2 hours today.
Therefore, the test was great! Because even if the upload speeds are shit, I can leave the laptop overnight to upload large files.
This will be our home and it will take us to many new places, meeting many new people and projects. We will talk to people about TROM, try to organize talks and meetings, volunteer for all sorts of...
Starting to do the TROM work now :) - I am in Romania for a month or so before we go back and start the TROMhome adventure. A new TROMjaro ISO is out forum.tromjaro.com/t/tromjaro-… ! More updates to follow!
This is how you can translate a video from any language into English using Kdenlive. I tested it with a video spoken in 5-6 languages and it did fantastic. You can also use TROMjaro Linux tromjaro.com/ for easy setup and management of your OS in general.
This is how you can translate a video from any language into English using Kdenlive. I tested it with a video spoken in 5-6 languages and it did fantastic. You can also use TROMjaro Linux https://w...
"Access to the Signal messaging app is blocked in connection with violation of the requirements of Russian legislation which must be complied with to prevent the use of messaging apps for terrorist and extremist aims,"
So thankful that Russia goes after those extremists using Signal! Russia already has enough on their hands dropping bombs on hospitals and supermarkets and invading other countries! Fuck off extremists!
By the way we ship TROMjaro with a trade-free VPN to bypass these stupidities.
TROMjaro is alive and well. And we keep it up to date and relevant - tromjaro.com - I love our Linux distro! :) I love when it is stable and just works. And we also ship with so many tweaks you can simply use it. No ads, no trackers, all apps available in Linux from one single place - click and install. I love it. A very positive project indeed :)
Flatpaks are really outrageous in size...I have tried to use flatpaks for the past months but man o man....hundreds of MB for each package, takes forever to update them even on my 1GB internet connection. The idea is great, but this is such a huge downside that I cannot see how it is going to make the flatpaks easier to use than normal packaging.
probably really depends on your usecase. For my slow internet connection, I really love how Flatpaks are an exception to the "partial upgrades are not supported" problem. Just because I need to install discord it does not mean that I want to do a 2,3GB update to my system, my friend is waiting for me.
A lot of those sizes are a worse case scenario. If you have shared requirements with other installed apps, flatpak will deduplacate requirement and save space.
Sometimes it is just bad packagers not cleaning up the builds. I package with flatpak, mainly legacy applications, and mine never usually get that explosive in size. Chromium is about 350MB installed with apt.
I don't understand what is the point of releasing an IDE via #flatpak, when that flatpak doesn't include all the necessary dev tools, and it can't access the ones outside its sandboxing. Honestly. What's the point? I'm looking at you, #Geany.
Personally, I can't stand flatpaks or #snap. #Appimage is nicer just because it's just one delete away from within the file manager and doesn't leave crumbs everywhere. But overall, I prefer #apt, and #dnf.
FYI each Flatpak app is like a Git repo and an update just downloads the files that actually changed. The files of all installed apps are stored together in a content-addressable storage, then hardlinked one or more times to form each app.
OSTree-based host OSs like Fedora Atomic work in the same way and hopefully in the future the files will be shared between the host OS and Flatpak apps too.
When you install a Flatpak, it will need runtimes (GNOME, KDE, Freedesktop...). These are the ones that really take up disk space. But the good news is that it looks big if you install just one Flatpak application, but the more you install, the more they'll use the same runtimes already installed, and the less disk space they'll occupy.
And no, ungoogled-chromium doesn't require 4-5 GB, just 153 MB...
And no, ungoogled-chromium doesn't require 4-5 GB, just 153 MB...
How come on my system it had to download 4-5GB? And yes I use many flatpaks but that didn't seem to help. And this is not the first time am seeing these massive downloads.
And if your package manager doesn't do it automatically, you can also use this command to uninstall old runtimes you no longer need: flatpak uninstall --unused
@florke64 Why do you think native packages are going away? Especially when flatpaks has all these downsides like taking too much space and not respecting the user's theme or integrating well with the system. Flatpak is there as an option but you don't need to use it if you don't want to, I personally never use it and I'm fine..... 🤷 I'm not sure about Ubuntu tho 'cause I'm on Arch, but I'd be surprised if Debian ever gets rid of native packaging.
"takes forever to update them even on my 1GB internet connection"? huh?... you're on gigabit internet and it's taking forever? honestly that's not possible... Are you sure you have gigabit internet? or do you mean that your lan port is a gigabit port?..
I use flatpaks and it's really not that big of a deal (plus it happens in the background anyone, so most people will pretty never notice it)
Yes I know very well what connection I have but since it has to download around 4-5 GB in that case, it takes a long long time. It depends the server where it is pulling these updates from I guess.... Maybe that particular package is worse than other flatpaks, but I have noticed this issue with long download times and huge download sizes on multiple computers and multiple flatpaks.
@futureisfoss @florke64 easy of use. Flatpaks are much easier to use for the average 'new to linux' user. Plus they actually have a proper permission system (flatseal) unlike native packages.
definitely it's outrageous. it's that way by design. personal example: i don't run KDE but wanted to try okular, and ran the heck away and removed it when i saw it had installed 48,954 files at a cost of 820MB. this is just ridiculous...for a friggin' PDF reader?
@futureisfoss Interesting points. Inconveniences like theming are going to improve over time. Transition will happen gradually. I don't see Debian dropping *.deb support. However, I can imagine Debian shipping Flatpak applications.
@thibaultmol @florke64 I'm not sure about ease of use because most GUI distros have a software center these days for installing native and flatpak apps - so both are easy now. The permission system is interesting and could have some privacy/security improvements, but this containerization can also create issues with theming and such. A friend of mine recently had issues with playing games on Bottles because of flatpak's sandboxing - so in certain situations it can get in your way.
Although I don't use Plasma, I use XFCE with TROMjaro, I congratulate KDE for this release and the work they've done over the years. XFCE, KDE, and the like, are not competitors, but diversity in choices. That's how we should operate as a society, do not compete, but collaborate and create diversity. So I like to use XFCE, but others prefer KDE, and some others Gnome, and so forth. Nice! We are all happy! #opensource #foss #kde #plasma #linux
Plasma 6.0 has been released. Check out the new overview, improved colour management, a cleaner theme, more effects, better overall performance, and much more.
KDE is an open community of friendly people who want to create a world in which everyone has control over their digital life and enjoys freedom and privacy.
100% agree, brother! I personally like #Plasma the most out of all DE's, but as you said, it is just a matter of choice, but I actually embrace that all the projects may provide something unique and pleasing to everyone and that should not be a matter for the competition at all.
I also admire #KDE as a community of Humans with a pure drive to deliver not only completely free desktop environment, but a huge pack of outstanding #free-software (which is a #KDEGear and a part of that #MegaRelease6), including #Krita, #kdenlive, #Gwenview and many many others.. And all of that is completely free to use, awesomeness ☺️
If, whoever is reading this, you are already using #kde-software or just share the cause, you may consider helping the community by becoming a member with a donation or, if you like, just join and contribute to the software, report bugs, translate documentation and many more!
@esh ...after over 3 decades of psychological stress from broken and inflexible 🪟s, we switched last year to #linux on all our machines, pcs, laptops and servers. And since then we came across the #kde #plasma experience and still ask how we didn't do it sooner! Definitely 👍 to the KDE Plasma team for such wonderful and beautifully constructed OS environment!
Btw, guys are throwing parties all around the world to celebrate 🥳 A lot of contributors are actually from Spain, so there's a Barcelona gig as well 😜 Stop by if you want to meet some decent Humans 😌
We know each other and we are like brothers :). Thanks for defending me, in a way, but just so you know @Roma and I are very good friends. And to be honest I would not be offended at all if anyone would call me a she or whatever. In the end we are all humans and that's what it matters.
Well in fact TROMjaro is a distro I started and currently maintain together with a few friends like @Roma and @Rokosun - it is based on Manjaro but has many tweaks added to it to make it stable, reliable, and easier to use. Like we enable the chaotic aur + flatpaks from the get-go. That together with Manjaro's repos and AUR, means that you get access to all of the Linux applications from one single place.
We have our own Layout and Theme switcher apps, and a lot more. See the website tromjaro.com/
Non taken! Was not my intention of course to insult you or anyone, rather than show an agreement with my good friend. I am actually very happy to see that women are also using #Linux / #foss ☺️
The competition to FLOSS desktop projects will always be proprietary desktop providers. The creators of Windows and macOS, who seek to abuse users, lock them inside walled gardens and pollute their environment with forced hardware upgrades and deliberately faulty and inefficient software.
Even as a long time Plasma user, I cannot but admire #XFCE and its developers who strive to pack all those features into the lightest desktop possible.
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Unknown parent • •Manjaro depends on Arch. Arch on the Linux Kernel and GNU. Plus on Desktop Environments like Gnome, XFCE, etc.. So?
Manjaro's decisions are bad. I tried to talk to them, to help, etc.. for years. Nothing worked. Therefore: TROMjaro. As simple as that.
I am of course grateful for the open source and the linux community. But only for the trade-free part of it. No "business" shit and deceiving people into buying their stuff. That is disgusting and it ruins all projects as you can see.
Also, if the post is in english maybe would be good to translate your message into english so I dont have to do it...
Tio
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