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Catalonia and the people speaking the catalan language reside mostly here:

And this is how they ended up here:


What was there before?

Some Muslims it seems with their own language and culture.

To quote Wikipedia: “From the 8th century onwards the Catalan counts extended their territory southwards and westwards at the expense of the Muslims, bringing their language with them.”

The classic way of grabbing land, kicking off the “native” people (who very likely did the same thing to others who where there before them), put fences and borders and called it their land with their own language. The story of every tribe. Spain, France, USA … Every single one.

Snippet from Culture Cancer - tromsite.com/2026/07/culture-c…

#catalonia #catala #catalan #culture #trom #tromsite

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Well planned obsolescence is not like they plan it for X years after which the product breaks...they add shitty parts as a normal thing and then when the products do not work, or do not work well, people are inclined to buy new ones. And ye sis 10 years but I didnt use this telescope nowhere near as much as most people probably would...

In any case is an absolute terrible design.

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Re-Release TROMjaro 2026.03.26 - IMPORTANT! - forum.tromjaro.com/t/re-releas…

#linux #tromjaro #manjaro #arch #xfce

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So true man.... I'm not really a big sports person but I did watch the recent world cup and this is something you can notice in every team. Is not so much about the country as it is about the team, I'm not sure why they even attach nationality into this.

Also that story of Nico's parents having to cross the Sahara desert is truly insane man. Such things still happen today when it comes to human trafficking!

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The french fries probably originated from Spain some 400 years ago.
Fish and chips are a kind of food that was introduced in England by immigrants.
And the Spanish paella emerged from the Muslims who began rice cultivation in what is today called as “Spain”.

Look at the evolution of the popular Chicken Tikka Masala (Wikipedia):

Evolution of chicken tikka masala as a multicultural British dish.[41][4] Chicken tikka was created in Mughal India using Persian marinading of meat in yoghurt and Central Asian tandoor roasting with Indian spices.[42] In 20th century Britain, a sauce was added to meet the British liking for gravy with meat.[12] The dish has evolved further to a taco filling in the US,[36] and to a pizza topping in India.[39] Tacos originated from Mexico.[43] Pizzas originated from Italy.[44]

Snippet from Culture Cancer - tromsite.com/2026/07/culture-c…

#culture #society #food #spain #india

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We are being attacked by the trolls on the fediverse. Is ok, we will block a lot of these black hole instances. It is truly sad to see this astonishing degradation of humanity. Tagged in posts that show people killing other people, or pornography, or insulting us.

Interesting how some people can lower themselves so much is nothing humane in them.

We at TROM provide trade-free services and materials for anyone. Hosting instances, file hosting, and so much more. As a service for other humans. And now this...

Quite disgusting...

For sure more will leave insane comments to this post too. And we will keep on blocking them and their instances.

#fediblock #fediverse

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The reason we use "trade" to describe the global society is because all of these "isms" are making it all very confusing and everyone understands whatever they want from them. Lots of words, but I think it takes some time to detach from these "isms" and see what is behind the global force of consumerism.

The force of trade indeed makes people behave like total cunts, to put it simply. Be it in groups like companies, or governments, or individuals, etc..

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Another instance that we blocked globally: parcero.casa

Hard do believe some people are such absolute garbage. Likely lonely people who are hurt. They too are victims. But we cannot accept such troll and garbage instances that harass people to federate with us. I recommend others block it too and if you know more such instances please let us know so we block them.

#fediblock

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You do.. It's this big hole where something used to be. Being divorced was easy, there was the anger to cover most of the loss, death is different but I found that again, being angry (abandoned and dumped.. yet again.. grrr insert very rude words!!) helped even though it was obviously futile. Something to get through the initial shock and disruption.. something to focus on instead of empty sorrow. I could put more of that in words but I don't want to cause pain. It's been 8 years since my husband died.. and some days I still cry.. but mostly when I'm happy. It's a big world out there, tomorrow is a different universe. When you are ready take that leap into the unknown don't hesitate (hesitation is a deadly sin.. it's fatal and leads to "what if" regret). A very wise and very old woman in Japan once said to me "Life is but once, so go for it!" Wishing you well in whatever you do and wherever you end up.
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I cannot imagine how it is to lose your partner. Yah she cheated on me and broke up with me, but I am happy she is ok really. Losing your loved one must be hell. You are resilient!

I like that Japanse saying. I used to say the same in a silly way: Life is like an ice-cream, if you don't lick it, it will melt. :)) So enjoy it!

I hope you are ok and happy. I try to keep myself busy with the stuff I love doing...my projects and such.

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Two more accounts blocked server wide:
ChristiJunior@fsebugoutzone.org
The_Vampire_Brigade@detroitriotcity.com

For this:

I recommend for other instances to block them too.

EDIT: We blocked their entire instances since they are absolute trash. You can check them yourself.


#fediblock #fediverse

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You questions are answered in the article. I can help you a bit if you refuse to read it.

I ended up in Catalonia due to poverty. I was not even aware people speak Catalan there. I thought they speak Spanish. Poor people from outside end up staying around the same poor people - work in the same places, etc.. So Romanians, Moroccans, South Americans, and others, spoke Spanish. They too probably didn't even realize others speak Catalan here...or what is this Catalan a Spanish dialect!?

After all we came to Spain and got a Spanish residency...

On top of that all Catalans also speak Spanish. And Spanish is also an official language in Catalonia.

So the situation was kinda like this. No to mention that for those who come to work due to poverty reasons it is not very advantageous to know a regional language since they may move to other parts of Spain for work.

I never said the Catalans have a problem. I actually said we should understand this complex situation and try to find a humane way of living with each other. Read the article if you want to understand.

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I've read the article. Your point of view is mistaken IMHO and I'll try to explain why. We, Catalans don't speak Catalan to exclude foreigners or anything like that. We speak Catalan because it is our language, that's why. As simple as that. Why do we have to stop speaking our own language in our own country?

Imagine moving to Amsterdam, where everybody speaks English but the mother tongue of the majority of Dutch people is Dutch language, of course. Now, imagine...
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imagine hanging around with a group of amsterdamers speaking Dutch with each other. Would you complain about that? Would you really ask them to change their language and start speaking English just for you? I wouldn't dare. If i was this person in Amsterdam I would understand that it's me the one living in their city so, if I want to be part of this group, then it's me the one that has to learn their language, not the other way around. For sure, I would be able to...
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to live in Amsterdam for 15 years or more only speaking English, but I wouldn't expect to fully integrate in the Netherlands if I refuse to learn any Dutch. Something similar happens here in Catalonia.

You need to realize that Catalan speakers have been repressed throughout history. Lots of people have been fined, abused, mistreated, beaten or even imprisoned just for speaking their language. Some of these people are famous carachters, like the architect Antoni Gaudí, for example
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@trom but I'm not refering only to past times, even today, lots of Catalans are abused or mistreated just for speaking Catalan at police stations, airports, hospitals, schools, all kind of events etc. Just last week, in Barcelona, one woman was fired from her job just because she usually spoke Catalan with customers or coworkers. If you want to learn more about it, just search on the internet, it's full of stories about Catalans being discriminated just for speaking their language.

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@trom Besides, Catalan language is declining. The main political parties in Spain (specially the ones on the right and far right) and also some high Spanish courts work actively to impose the Spanish language and reduce the presence of Catalan. Again you can learn more about it, just check what the governments of Partido Popular and Vox are doing on this matter in the Balearic Islands or in Valencia, for example. This, among other factors, is threatening the future of our language.
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50 or 60 years ago Catalan was widely spoken in places where today is almost lost. In Barcelona, for example, only 20 or 25% of the population speak Catalan on daily basis. This percentage would be around 50% just 25 or 30 years ago.

So yeah, some of us feel threatened. If we switch to Spanish every single time there's one person around that don't fully understands the language, then Catalan will simply disappear beacause this happens almost every time. Nobody would speak...
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Catalan on the streets, at jobs, at bars, events etc. And we don't want that to occur, we want to preserve our language and culture.

After 15 years living in Catalonia, I encourage you to learn some Catalan. If you already speak Spanish it's not that difficult. Plus, Romanian is also a romance language so, it should be pretty easy for you.

Catalans really apreciate foreigners that have made the effort to learn Catalan. I know plenty of people that live in Catalonia and...
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have come from all around the world, from South America, to Asia, from Africa, to Australia and, of course, also from all corners of Europe. Some of this people Speak Catalan and are very happy about it because now they feel really welcomed and accepted in Catalonia. In fact, some of them are today active pro-independence campaigners. Once a foreigner speaks Catalan, we Catalans treat him or her like a very special guest. In fact, we don't consider this person a foreigner anymore.
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So yes, if you are happy livng on this land and you plan to live here longer, you are very welcome to stay and I encourage you again to embrace the Catalan language and culture in order to become a true Catalan-Romanian.

Una abraçada, tant de bo poder seguir aquesta conversa en català algun dia proper. Salut!

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Would you be available for a podcast to talk about all of this? I'd love to have a decent and friendly discussion about this topic and to learn from each other.

I want to reboot our TROMcast and I'd love to have someone from Catalonia to talk about this subject - tromsite.com/videos/#cast

Please let me know. I am genuinely interested in having an open mind discussion. I have a few wonderful friends in Cataonia. I do not hate on the Catalans. Tomorrow I meet with a family to show them and their kids the Moon. I'd love to speak Catalan if I could have the time and cut from this tension, but also I'd love to see the Catalans see each other more like humans than this label that is transitory in my view. Embrace both, but we are humans first of all.

Let me know please if you would be up for a discussion and we can talk about the details.

Thanks!

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Thank you for the invitation but there's people much better prepared than me to talk about this topic. You can contact them: plataforma-llengua.cat/qui-som…
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Once a foreigner speaks Catalan, we Catalans treat him or her like a very special guest. In fact, we don't consider this person a foreigner anymore.


In my view would be better to treat everyone like that. I see everyone as humans. We have evolved from the same creatures, share the same history. Amazing and real story.

Language is just a tool we use, and it won't change who we are simply by using a different language. You should be happy to know more languages because you can communicate with more people. More diversity.

So treat everyone as humans. We all need a safe environment, food, shelter, healthcare, security, education, etc.. If I were to march for something, I'd march for this.

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I would not mind learning Catalan, is just that I am too stressed and busy with so many things in my life. I'd love to speak Catalan if I could magically do so. Or Spanish. Also I travel with the motorhome and I do not plan to stay in Catalonia for long.

I encourage people to learn Catalan if they so wish. I think is a cool language - putting aside the fact that I got annoyed with this refusing to speak anything but Catalan to me, if I take the language itself is indeed a nice one - sounds like Romanian many times.

I think the best approach is to treat each other with respect and for the Catalans to make people love the language and not hate on it. I do not like the situation here honestly, and is not ok for anyone.

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You said you weren't aware of the existance of Catalan language until you came here, 15 years ago.
Ok, so you realized Catalan existed because it's visible. You see it written on street signs, you hear some people speaking it, etc.

If we don't make it visible, lots of people would ignore the existance of this language, less and less people would find useful to learn it and eventually it will disappear. You perceive it's rude that we...

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No one ever said to stop speaking Catalan in Catalonia. All I said, and I think any decent human in this world agrees with this, is to use a common language to talk to people and try not to marginalize people because of the language.

If 4 out of 5 people speak fluently Spanish and Catalan, but 1 of them only speaks Spanish, then the decent way is to speak Spanish when that human is part of your conversation.

This is happening in so many places on this planet and I am sure it is considered basic decency.

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Some would argue that after living in Catalonia for 15 years, maybe it's time for you to make a small effort and try to understand the language. I don't even ask you to speak it but just comprehend the words so the rest of us don't have to change our language because of you.

I don't know...15 years is not enough time? I know people speaking Catalan fluently after 8 or 9 months living here. I understand not everyone has the same situation but, you know...15 years, man.

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I understand is easy to use this argument for you, but for one is not easy to learn a new language. Look at the entire Spain they learn english in schools for so many years and in my experience very few can speak english.

I also learned french in school for 8 years and I cannot speak any french. Or anyone I know....

Is not even about learning a language, is also using it. And I rarely interact with the Catalans here.

Second, even if I know Catalan I am not a vessel for the Catalan culture, so that won't help it in that sense.

So you have to understand the more complex situation here. Is not as easy as trying to force me learn a few words in Catalan as that won't make any difference I believe.

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The thing is you've been living in Catalonia for 15 years and you are complaining about Catalan being spoken when you are around.

And you are asking ALL CATALAN SPEAKERS to stop speaking their mother tongue 100 meters around you so YOU don't have to make a small effort and learn the language of the country you're living in. Not even speak it (no one is asking you to speak it) but just comprehend the words.

And you think this would be the fair outcome here.

Sorry but it is not.

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@trom I understand it perfectly well. You are asking all Catalan speakers to take diving courses, driving lessons, museum tours, university classes etc. in Spanish or English just because there's one person in the room that, after having lived in Catalonia for 15 years, refuses to make a little effort and learn the language.

Sorry but it is you the one who has a problem here (not understanding an official language of this country after living here for 15 years), not Catalan speakers.

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I ask all Catalan people to be respectful to the others in such situations and use the language that suits all people. And please don't ignore that Spanish is also an official language in Catalonia.

Here's a math/reason problem for a 5 year old:

If you have 30 people in a classroom. 25 speak Catalan and Spanish fluently. 5 only speak Spanish. What language should the teacher speak?

A. Catalan, and 5 people would not understand the courses.
B. Spanish and all 30 people would understand the courses.

Choose.

I feel only in Catalonia people would choose A over B. Everywhere else people have a basic decency towards other humans.

I do not ask for Catalans to speak English, ALTHOUGH they learn it in school for YEARS so you would expect they know English and want to use that language else why even teach that language in schools....I do not ask for that, I ask for the Catalans to also speak Spanish, one of the official languages in Catalonia, where it makes sense.

Maybe you still don't see my point?

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You don't likke the Dutch language? Then maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to move to Amsterdam and to live there.

But if you decide to move to Amsterdam anyway and stay there for f**king 15 YEARS, after all that time, you could change your mind a little bit, make a small effort and try to learn some words in Dutch.

And if you're not willing to make this small effort, then, the least you can do is grow up & stop whining about people speaking Dutch around.

That would be my advice.

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So yeah, some of us feel threatened. If we switch to Spanish every single time there's one person around that don't fully understands the language, then Catalan will simply disappear beacause this happens almost every time. Nobody would speak...

I have 2 questions for you:

1. Why is this so threatening to you if Catalan is spoken less and less and eventually will fade away? Is a serious question and I do not want to hurt your feelings, I am simply trying to open up a perhaps uncomfortable situation.

2. Why do you think this approach of forcing the Catalan language when you talk with normal people is going to make Catalan persist? As I said, for me and everyone I know outside Catalonia it makes us hate the Catalans and the language. Which is not ok for anyone.

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@trom See? This is the key point of this discussion.

You see languages just as a tool to comunicate with other people. On the contrary, many Catalans see our language as part of our culture. It's something unique in the world (nobody else in the world speak it), it's part of an ancient heritage that's been brought to us through history, just like other traditions (dances, songs gastronomy, art...).

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@trom speaking English, eating hamburgers, watching Netflix, celebrating thanksgiving or the 4th of july, dressing up like idiots for halloween and playing baseball.

Maybe you don't care about your cultural heritage as a Romanian and it's ok for you to end up like this but we do care. We would like romanian language, culture, art, heritage, gastronomy, etc. to survive. So we think the same for Catalan and many other languages and cultures around the world.

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I understand that people see Catalan as important and part of their culture. We can say the same about Romanian and many other languages. I only hoped to challenge a bit these notions in order to relax our conversations around language since like I explained in the article these languages are mutations and mixes of other languages and they always change. Same is with traditions and so fort. And perhaps is important to recognize that.

Catalan is also spoken in other parts of the world by the way. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_… just a side note.

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Besides, Catalan language is declining.


I understand, but why is it declining? From what I understand is because of different forces such as the fact that Catalonia is too integrated into Spain to be able to detach now, and so everyone in Catalonia already speaks spanish....Also tourism, migration, the fact that Spanish is far more useful for most people than Catalan....

These are real forces that I am not sure you can do much about...Not saying this as an insult or anything like that....

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@TROM but I'm not refering only to past times, even today, lots of Catalans are abused or mistreated just for speaking Catalan at police stations, airports, hospitals, schools, all kind of events etc.


Where is this happening? In Catalonia? I've never heard of this. Give me some sources I'd like to know the details. However this does not justify to refuse to speak a common language with someone. What do I have to do with those situations? Why should I be marginalized, even as someone who may just visit Catalonia and speaking Spanish?

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Only in 2024, around 3.000 people reported situations of mistreatment and discrimination for speaking Catalan.

europapress.es/catalunya/notic…

Ans this is just the people that actually report it. The vast majority of this type of cases pass without being reported at all.

The law says that in Catalonia you have the right to speak Catalan anywhere (at work, as a customer, as a patient, as a student, etc.) and, in reality, this right is not guaranteed many of the times.

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If you know Spanish fluently but refuse to speak Spanish with someone who only knows Spanish, that is intention of marginalization. When Spanish is also an official language in Catalonia and you tell the hospital you do not understand Catalan, only Spanish, and they send you the medical results and appointment details only in Catalan, that is malicious. And so forth.

No one tries to marginalize the Catalans. Like I explain in detail in the article. And explained all of the comments I replied to you I believe....I am unsure if you red the article...

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to live in Amsterdam for 15 years or more only speaking English, but I wouldn't expect to fully integrate in the Netherlands if I refuse to learn any Dutch.


Sure, could be the case, but again Spanish is also an official language of Catalonia. English is not an official language in Netherlands. Also I am not talking about situations in which you want to integrate into the Catalan culture, but random situations where you interact with the Catalan people who will not speak Spanish if you only understand Spanish.

You need to realize that Catalan speakers have been repressed throughout history. Lots of people have been fined, abused, mistreated, beaten or even imprisoned just for speaking their language.


Yes I explain this in the article. But this is the far past. Why drag this into the present and create these cancerous situations between people?

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Would you complain about that? Would you really ask them to change their language and start speaking English just for you?


I came across this exact situation. Yes they spoke English. In Romania where I am from, if 1 of the people in a group does not speak Romanian and the rest speak English, we speak English. Always.

if I want to be part of this group, then it's me the one that has to learn their language, not the other way around.


I understand this reasoning too, but in Catalonia everyone speaks Spanish fluently. If I speak the one of the official languages of Catalonia, Spanish, and the rest refuse to speak it, isn't that rude?

in reply to TROM

indeed It's rude for some people because some Catalans view Spanish (or French in Northern Catalonia) as a foreign language, a language that has been imposed on us, and certainly it has been imposed. So if you live here and you refuse to learn anything of Catalan, then it could be viewed as something disrespectful for some of us.

Perhaps this is viewed differently in Romania, and that's ok, but here in Catalonia, plenty of people see it this way.

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@trom @tio@social.trom.tf @jo No, it’s not, simply because we are at our home, besides if we all speak Spanish or French it’s because of centuries of imposition, not by choice. What’s extremely rude is living 10 years + in a place, not speaking the local language AND calling the locals rude for not adapting to YOU. Anyway, I don’t care the least if people like that think we are rude or call us that, I know our place, history and right.
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Paula the Muslims who were in Catalonia before Catalans arrived had to leave or ingest the Catalan language. Unfortunately all human history is like that - language is imposed in this way in most cases.

It is ugly, but if you think the solution is to marginalize those who do not speak Catalan, I am afraid this goes against your goal. First you have to understand why the Catalan language is not spoken by many people, to get why people refuse to speak Catalan or do not care. I am an outsider and everyone I know thinks like me. Would be good to talk to these people and understand form them in order to adapt your strategies.

We can all point the finger at each other and yell "rude", but we don't change anything unless we learn to talk to each other and find a way forward for all of us.

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So the cause why I do not speak Catalan, or so many foreigners who come to Catalonia, is because of France and Spain? Sure, Franco imposed Spanish to Catalonia but that was decades ago, what can you do about it now?

The reason many people do not speak Catalan is what I explained in the article (most likely). Poverty, migration, tourism, the Trade Society itself, etc..

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We, Catalans don't speak Catalan to exclude foreigners or anything like that.


That is the end result. Regardless of the intention.

Why do we have to stop speaking our own language in our own country?


You don't have to. But if you know a common language why not use that? I do it all the time. I speak English or Romanian depending on the situation, regardless what tribe I'm in.