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LibreWolf is a fork of Firefox, focused on privacy, security and freedom. It is designed to minimize data collection and telemetry as much as possible. This is achieved through hundreds of privacy/security/performance settings and patches. Intrusive integrated addons including updater, crashreporter, and pocket are removed too.

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Unfortunately our videos.trom.tf is currently not working....no local videos are loading. It seems that an update broke it. Restoring didn't fix the issue. Sorry about that...and do not worry all of the videos and settings are backed-up. Probably it is a permission issue. We reported the issue to the developers. So let's see. We'll keep you posted. #tromlive
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Recording with @Georgi done! Very good job Georgi! It was a very new thing for Georgi - she is not used to being filmed and to talk about such subjects. She perfectly understands all that we talk about at TROM, and despite being the first time she had to do this, she managed it very well. We have 2 more series of interviews now ;). #tromimg
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Rokosun

I'm sorry to hear about your financial situation. I think all of us who understands the problem with trade faces this dilemma, the society forces us to trade in order to survive. Most people spend the better part of their life doing jobs, they don't even get enough time to spend with their loved ones. How can people understand and learn about the problems of society and try to solve them if they don't even have the time for it. Its really sad 😞
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our chapter provide permanently free shelter/accommodation is available now. main feature of the city, multi layered city system, vehicle are moving underground, high-tech & smart feature. forestcitycgpv.com/about-fores… drive.google.com/file/d/1DSfs5… for more info how to move to this city, join our facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/thezeitgeistmovementmalaysia/
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I think trom is focusing more on spreading the message right now, cause this is an important first step.

I understand what you're trying to do, it'll be nice if such volunteers could focus more on their work and less about personal stress like food and accommodation. But there are still problems that needs to be solved, like if someone wanted to come to your city they probably need a passport, visa etc. But its still better than nothing :)
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Tio

I understand you and this is a huge task ahead of us. TROM is not advocating anything really, it simply points out how this trade-based society produces most of the problems we see in the world today. One of the solutions to this is to provide trade-free goods and services. Food, accommodation, healthcare, shelter and the like are human basic needs, but so are access to information/education, or digital tools that can help people express themselves, educate others, communicate, and so forth. And right now we provide tons of such tools as trade-free. Providing accommodation is beyond our "powers", and if you can do that, then that's great. But never forget the "message". We don't just provide such tools and that's it. Actually the tools are less important. The important bit is the message that trade is the source of most problems ;).
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Trom 1 already describe trade-based society is most of the problem, if your are making trom 2 and it is just another way of explaining the same problem, it would be redundant. you need to make trom 2 included with solution and alternative, if your education material able to reach to those who had resource/power and able to convince them why trade is most of the problem, then your "education" will be effective, otherwise it will only remain supported by those underprivileged group of people which does not have any power to change. im saying this because you dont want trom 2 to be useless & wasting people's time, such as after watched trom2, theyve realized theres nothing much can be done either
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Where in TROM 1 we talk about trade as the origin of most problems? And second: we argue, strongly that is and in over 1k pages book, that we need to focus on a problem rather than solutions. Focusing on a problem gives rise to solutions. Read it here tromsite.com/books/#flipbook-d…

In the past I didn't know as much about our society so I accused money as the problem. And indeed people invented other kinds of money, like cryptocurrencies. Misleading.

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I just watched the tromcast about movies. This time there were more people than the last one, I think it made it more interesting. You've talked about all the important stuff there, good points, good discussions. I'm sorry I couldn't be there for live, but we can discuss things here I guess.

BTW, watching y'all talk on TROMcast was more entertaining and educational than any movie or documentary, it made my day 😄

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Big thanks to the people who keep on supporting us financially via Patreon, Liberapay, Paypal and other means. We need to pay for our serves and to "buy" some free time for us to work on all of our TROM projects. We have a lot of them as you can see here tromsite.com/tools/ . From books and videos and documentaries, to websites where you can watch thousands of documentaries/movies/courses for free, to a custom Operating System and hundreds of curated trade-free apps, to a trade-free directory or trade-free alternatives to youtube, twitter/facebook, wetransfer, google and its services and a lot more. So please help us if you can!

The more donations we get, the more reliable what we offer becomes and the more relaxed we can be in order to create more stuff. Go here and support if you can tromsite.com/donate/ . Thanks! #tromlive

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Tio

Well I encourage people to discuss it here rather than fb where you are forced to have an account and trade your data/attention/currency to them :P. So tell us more about this please. I've seen many fancy looking and futuristic cities but the solution is not in how futuristic they look, it is in understanding how this trade-based society is ruining pretty much everything. So, in this city they still rely on trade right? Like you go buy stuff, maybe they collect your data, insert ads everywhere? Tell us more about and what is your connection to this project. Cheers!
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1.) yes, trade is main source of the problem. so in my approach to creating a trade free society, im offering free facility for members, so they can either stay or use, there is no limit

2.) yes, trade free, thats why commune housing is free to use, but at the moment only for members due to limited resource

3.) i dont have any connection with forest city, i am the property owner in 1 of the small unit there, im tzm members myself, and trying to contribute what resource i have to offer, so im telling members you now can use my facility. thats is all

4.) property developer do not know i m trying to start a commune housing project there, it is only 1 unit of apartment out of 9999 they have there, they wont bother. but to create abundance and post scarcity, i wanted to collect donation in future, so those member who are not able to get involved but still wanted to, the easiest way is donation, i will keep buying another property and property, snowball the effect from there and hopefully movement will grow bigger

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Tio

So basically this city is just yet another trade-based city. And what you are saying is that you have a "small unit" there. You mean an apartment? And you want to let others use your apartment trade-free (you don't ask for anything in return)? Am I getting it right?

If so, that's very nice of you, but it means it has nothing to do with that city, since that city is just like many others. It is about providing some trade-free accommodation. And of course, who can come and stay for long on Malaysia? You need a VISA and all that. Seems complicated. Plus trust of course.

We would like to do a TROMcast and discuss about this idea of building communities or a city. Is it feasible? Is it relevant? Would you like to participate?

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Tio

I see thanks for the explanation. This is more clear to me now. I've heard of many many such initiatives. From Mauritius to Cuba and in-between. There are a lot of people, especially around TVP/TZM who want to provide such free accommodation services. But I haven't heard from any of them for a while now. I do not know how practical this is, but I appreciate the initiative.

We can talk more about such approaches of creating little communities or the idea of a city in tromcast. We have a chat at tromsite.com/chat we can talk more about it there, but for sure we will make a tromcast soon about this topic. So if you can participate that'd be cool.

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it is still have some sort of relevant to the city, first of all it is high tech and with multi layered transport system, it is city of future, and also with spectacular beach and outdoor park for resident to use, this particular property developer also acknowledge the importance of conservation, they have a course teaching kids about eco-system, the whole city is using water conservation as well, also built an eco system museum, it is place for those wanted to live in some sort of sustainable city, which is already built in
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bro.. its real

their ecology course here : mp.weixin.qq.com/s/JSnMQfbs50Z…

plant dictionary : mp.weixin.qq.com/s/QBKb7Ij5gTo…

"..Forest City has built 4 sewage treatment plants with a total capacity of approximately 170,400 P.E. After an advanced ecological sewage treatment system and a wetland treatment, the effluent water quality is able to meet CLASS II B standard, which is higher than the ordinary discharge standard in Malaysia. The effluent will then be used for irrigation of roof gardens, vertical greenery, outdoor landscapes, as well as public toilet flushing, etc. Currently, most of the water for irrigation in Forest City comes from reclaimed water. In the future, desalination will also be implemented to enhance the efficiency of water resources utilization...”

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